Why Superman & Lois is SO MUCH BETTER Than Other Arrowverse Shows 

I feel like once Stephen Amell left the dynamic changed from cool to goofy doesn’t make any sense and is ruining the purpose of good TV but that’s my opinion but I can’t say much about the lack of character development in legends supergirl and season 5-7 of the flash

At this point I really just watch Titans or Superman and Lois

I feel like they’re fine but not legendary like they used to be, since I got a vpn I binged them when they finished in the us and couldn’t be bothered watching on British tv

“Stargirl aside” real talk 😂😂

@@fideldequeemani8375 ?

LOL

Next season Sarah’s probably gonna do so

Yes, she actually understands that she's just a normal human in a superhero family and helps Jon handle it too.

I don't get what people's problem is with this. When two people become married, they become one unit. Barry and Iris are the Flash because she fully supports him and she is a part of him. When Iris told Barry that, she wasn't trying to be arrogant or egotistical. She was trying to let him know that she has his back. Iris jumped off a building for Barry; if that's not love, I don't know what is.

@@misspriss2482 when people think of “The Flash” tv show they’re not thinking of “The Flash and the love of his life and friends”. most people who click on the show come to watch THE Flash. that’s why s1 and s2 are so highly rated. it’s bc Barry was THE main character everyone else was his SUPPORTING cast. the supporting cast should not get nearly as much screen time as the fucking main character. iris honestly was good in s1 and s2 bc she was a SUPPORTING character. now today she’s a main character who gets jus as much screen time as barry

And no woke bullshit. They even fired a sjw writer because she was being a pain in the neck trying to make Superman’s parents black.

@@gagalover2k10 she was what?? 😂😂

@@AS-ri1mb huh?

@@gagalover2k10 😂 i can see that happening for john henry irons but otherwise no.

@@gagalover2k10 I wasn’t digging in at you, it just sounded ridiculous - BUT I looked it up and you’re 100% right. Sounds like they could see she was going to turn the show into another Batwoman/Supergirl and fired her ass 😂

Now this is here has answered the question why superman and Lois is better rather than dwell into comparing it with other shows. Thank you for focusing on the show itself and what makes it good

Is it anything like the other CW shows cus if so then 🥶 i really wanna watch this tho you recommend it?

Yeah, they have shown that filler is a BS concept wasting people's time and a sub for good writing which can happen *amongst* the season arc and all the action packed stuff.

Kind of like Doom Patrol 👍

Yes with 16 episodes vs 24.

The 20+ episode format needs to die for this reason. We're in the Golden Age of TV where people can't wait for a new season to start even though it might just have 10-15 episodes in the season (IE The Boys, The Expanse, etc). The 20+ episode format is really outdated.

@@chaost4544 exactly!! Move towards quality not quantity. More money for better writers and VFX.

I totally agree!

It would be so much cooler if The Flash went on one of these shows so that it can get some good writing and visuals for the first time in a while

Same they shouldn't crossover with the rest, I really don't want to see Superman being turned into a punching bag to make others look better...again, and whatever they would do to characters from Stargirl

@@RaRmAn They should make them canon in the dceu especially that the rock is getting the justice society in black Adam movie and the flash movie will gonna reboot the dceu and also we might have a chance to see a new justice league universe starting with Robert pattinson's batman and Tyler Hoechlin's superman maybe they would get back George Miller in the director chair to direct a soft reboot justice league movie continuing what was left in the snyder cut, but with new cast except some actors and actresses I wanted them to stay like Jason momoa and Zachary levi they were the best thing in the dceu the rest could be changed.

Yeah there is nothing I'm more worried about for those two shows than forced crossovers

6: Budget, there's scenes in the Arrowverse have CGI worse than a PS2 Game lol It's like they used a free special effects app lol I bet Per Season Superman and Lois probably has a lower budget after all they don't have like dozens of characters were supposed to care about I stopped watching The Flash but they have like 8 people with powers on Team Flash now not including Barry, it would be 9 if Cisco didn't leave even Iris has powers now 🤦‍♂️ maybe it's 9-10 idk since they even have the Speedforce helping the team now lol oh and that doesn't include Wally West who should be on the team but never is on the show I would prefer 10 quality Flash episodes over 23 episodes of 💩

I agree. The writing is excellent. Realistic characters and dialogue. The acting isn't bad either!

Writing? If they cared about how the characters are written and respected them then why did they have Superman try to kill John? Seemingly deliberately and coldly with how he slowly walked up to him. Also as far as writing goes, how about everyone overlooking John's acts of terrorism and attempted murder and death he's caused by letting him free and treating him like a comfortable guest simply because "We could use an ally in the war"? Like he can't be of assistance from a cell and only let out for emergencies if need be?(if it's even necessary to let him free) Letting him free without even at least a trial or something or any type of parole or programs or systems in place to keep him in check. One example that new armor he wears now oughta have a remote or something to deactivate it with General Lane(or someone under him) having access to it.

@@Xighor Wait that many people have powers on the main team flash? You sure?

@@two4328 yep maybe more if my maths is correct ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lVX2pjVv2kg.html Than there's Cisco who's no longer apart of the team Caitlin who's Killer Frost, the Black Guy on the computers who has some Nuclear Powers than there's that girl who I forgot who doesn't casual and has some powers than there's Joe's Wife who can read mind, I'm sure I probably missed something 🤣🤦‍♂️ and Wally is supposed to be apart of the Team but never is and they'll be another if Ralph Dibney didn't get cancelled lol

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Or at least try to transition the other less successful shows into the style of Superman and Lois.

What's interesting is that this showrunner was a co showrunner for Flash seasons 2 and 3, and was a sole showrunner for seasons 4 and 5. This makes me think that perhaps it has nothing to do with showrunners or writers. It's perhaps CW not allowing creative freedom for the sake of extending episodes and pushing endless melodrama. You see the same thing with Erik Oleson. He was a writer and producer for Arrow season 3. He then left and became a showrunner for Daredevil season 3, which was arguably the best season.

@@brucesnow7125 That's even more confusing; Doesn't make sense why they are letting good shows drag into downward spiral. I will never understand how minds of Network executives work. Have seen many good shows destroyed in the past by such idiots

@@naeemahmad03 they are catering to their audience who are just there to turn off their brains and watch some melodrama with superhero stuff being a backdrop. Believe it or not, we are just the minority. This strategy of forcing endless manufactured soap opera conflict is clearly getting them views, that's why they keep finding money to renew the shows.

He didn’t break dance when he was taken over by zod either

@@colinbaker1681 exactly

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.

@@colinbaker1681 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

That is literally the difference between the shows right now

Real world issues...?

@@harrambou9468 fr how is addressing real world issues, but everything else u said is factss

@@harrambou9468 I mean the show does address the inherent hypocrisy that a billionaire business man could "save" a small struggling town by bringing more jobs even though people like that create the problems that cause those same towns to struggle. Even though they could theoretically bring more jobs those workers would just be exploited by the businesses that are supposed to be saving them. It definitely is a real world issue that the show addresses

@@aswadkhan4546 eh not really like its a present issue but they dont really address it they more put the blame specifically on the bad billionares like lex and edge i miss lex btw where is he in the cw universe is he on supergirl? cause i refuse to watch that shii

@Andi Magna u posted that three different times trying to reword it but not once during all those drafts did you think maybe I shouldn't post this i cant even tell if your'e happy or outraged more redrafts needed

Beautiful point there

It’s the golden child of DC Superman….

They will in time or at least the new ones will (hopefully)

@@AlexDalger The budget isn't the reason it's so good

its not mind-boggling. Its simple fact Superman lois writers have experience and they know what the major audience wants. Unlike the flash, batwoman, canaries , superman and lois dont care about forced women power, corny and stupid comic book stories or forced diversity. They focus on good writing thats reflected in real society. Also short episodes helps a lot.

@Marshall Parker Not only Naomi. Every new Arrowverse show from now on will have that treatment.

It makes you wonder if he was working under some restrictions on The Flash that he isn't with Superman and Lois.

I think he learned from his mistakes from the Flash

That's the thing though, there were still some great moments in Season 5 of The Flash, there were huge problems, the least of which was the fact that it was massively drawn out in story and scope - but in between there were glimmers of really nice character moments.

@@PetrosofSparta The worst thing about Season 5 was that we all knew where it was going before it started. In several of the trailers we hear Barry say that Nora 'could Marty McFly herself out of existence'. From that point on the destination was all but certain and, for me, most of the season felt rather pointless. There were good bits in it but it just felt a bit 'meh' to me.

@@andrewflavell9150 Still better than Speed Force Lightsabers.

It's ok but l would like to see him with green lantern

if they want to go out in a bang, definetly. this season starter crossovers' should be utmost top quality...like u said.

The problem with many super hero shows like the Flash is that the first season really builds up the tension between certain characters, establishing a conflict that we invest in. For whatever reason, the writers and/or executives confuse that investment in the conflict with investment in the antagonist. So they bring the antagonist back as a good guy without having foreshadowed any sort of redemption for the character in the original conflict, completely cheapening this investment that we've made in the conflict. Once that trust is broken, it's hard to keep investing in further conflicts. The Flash did this with Dr. Wells, Heroes did this with Sylar, and Arrow did it with Malcolm Merlyn. Writers can't seem to get it through their heads that it's OK to just let bad guys be bad guys, and it's OK to let them remain defeated. I'd much rather have fond memories of a conflict that ended at the peak of its tension than tainted memories of a conflict that was made irrelevant by an unnecessary redemption arc. Superman & Lois hasn't been around long enough to fall into this trap, but the writers so far seem competent, so I have high hopes. Smallville was compelling for many years before they ruined it by having Lex Luthor go from a sympathetic and conflicted young man to a creepy pedophile in just a couple of episodes. His transition from good guy to bad guy was too clumsy to be credible. Like early Smallville, Lois & Clark is doing a much better job of setting Morgan Edge up to go either way. I'm kind of rooting for him to be redeemed right now. We'll see if they can keep it up.

Unfortunate for Flash,the writer is Eric Wallace who wants a West=Allen Fan Fiction than a Flash show...

Or cancel the flash at this point I can defend it anymore.

they need to end flash lol

@Ahana Chakraborty I watched it. I was referring to some people in the comments.

I still think this first season is better than flash and arrow's first season.

While I loved most season 1 Arrowverse shows, this one still stands out the most. I think Black Lightning also had a very strong first season and sadly it got worse each season. I really hope this show doesn't suffer the same fate. The same with Star Girl. I'm about to watch the first episode of season 2.

Shut up man am a big flash fan but am so sorry the quality of just the visual effects is as if we are watching a man of steel series . This hbomax series is clear of cw

nah season 1 flash and arrow was ass

Agreed

I mean, the special effects in flash season 7 are much worse than in season 1 although they are supposed to have a higher budget

I think that by having a higher budget the vfx team are trying to do bigger things than what they can and it looks worse than in the first seasons that they played it safe with the vfx and the smaller budget

This

Unfortunately the production have been sub par for every Arrowverse series since first season to the point that they can't execute bigger plot points and have to find a low budget way around them. That's not the case with Superman & Lois. Bigger production delivers better options for storytelling.

@@theflashdcuniverse Hi Barry, yes I rememmber you as well. If you have that insider knowledge that's cool, but imo it still doesn't help that even before COVID, I felt the show has been really tanking in quality, covid aside. But that's of course mine, and probably a few others opinions.

@@theflashdcuniverse If you've watched both The Flash and Superman & Lois this season, the main problem is the writing. I've watched every episode of The Flash from season 1 and the writing quality started to go down in season 4 but accelerated in season 6 when Eric Wallace took over as showrunner.

It’s like saying the dog ate my homework. The dog ate all our homework, it’s barfing the screenplays up in the Indian Ocean right now and all of us are in the same dog-barf paper-soaked world in a dingy stay-at-home life raft, hunched under our desks and doing the best we can. A new disaster reveals the cracks that were hiding, it doesn’t create them. Don’t blame the winds of change for drawing attention to the man behind the curtain not knowing what he’s been doing for year

Stargirl is pretty good imo

Then explain how the show runner for super man and Lois is the same guy who ran season 3, 4, and 5 of the flash. The simple answer is that the other shows are comic booky and formulaic on purpose because that’s what the style of older arrowverse shows has always been. Stargirl and super man and Lois are different in both tone and style because WB/CW recognize that people are tired of the campy, exaggerated comic book storytelling that started the arrowverse

@@joshz2491 you pretty much answered your own question. Boba even used the quote from the showrunner where Hellbeing stated things needed to change.

@@joepenny5100 exactly my point. Geoff Johns not only knows what he is doing but he also cares deeply about what he does.

Flash has fake heart

Just to add onto that, I think the second seasons of Arrow and Legends were both a lot better than 1.

Smallville was my favorite show back in the day, but I think S&L is way beyond Smallville. But Smallville was a catalyst for all of these DC shows.

I agree bro

agreed

For Flash, yes the new writer Eric Wallace join around season 4....and did season 5 onwards....

@@yugiwin1 I just searched it up he joined 2017 and honestly they should just sack him for the break dancing alone.

The writer of the early seasons of the Flash got canceled for being pervy towards women.

Iris and flash have No chemistry.

I definitely agree about the more powers thing but there definitely is a lot more like having way to many main characters and having what's suppose to be the main character be a side one also how boring they are making it with a bunch of talk scenes and inspiration love/family stuff (don't forget talking down villians)

Iris is so pretty but is a wooden actress. They needed someone fun and funny with comedic timing for Barry. It’s that felicity thing again where they casted Lauren as the female lead but felicity had better chemistry. They should have kept it open ended. I don’t think the actress gets the iris character

Legends has become more like doom patrol. Basically s2 was the last serious season and s3+ was more comedy and i kinda like that, they're just outcasts tryna save time so them being clowns kinda works.

Eh at least we can stretch out our excitement for the show. More memorable ig

They've had some pandemic related shutdowns. Since an episode of S&L takes more time to produce (both shooting time and post-production) than other Arrowverse shows, such a shutdown can throw an already tight schedule way off. They're not taking breaks for vacation.

They’re doing the “quality, not quantity” trope, which works with this show

Season 5 onwards is done by the new writer Eric Wallace....

Exactly

True

Nope...save yourself the heartache... You don't have to watch the other shows at all

The Flash season 1-3 were amazing (some wouldn't agree about season 3) but it wasn't that bad. Just to save yourself if you do watch it (which I think you should) by NOT GOING PAST SEASON 3

Bart singing was actually one of the few highlights of a season that had (1) the fastest man alive "defeating" his enemies by giving them pep talks, (2) filler episodes in an already shortened schedule, and (3) unsympathetic side characters with boring storylines.

The ONLY thing I like about Season 7 Flash was all the references and stuff to the Golden Era of the show (Season 1-3)

Never mind your eyes, my ears bleed just from the name "Chillblaine." 😝

I thought Flash sucked in the first season, never even watched the show beyond that.

I suppose it's just below Doom Patrol for me on a written level. The other CW shows really don't have quality writing IMO (not including Stargirl, since it's a part of the "new wave" so to speak). Titans is a subjective favorite of mine but the writing can be fairly poor at times. But yeah, I would say out of the other DC shows.. Probably just under DC's Doom Patrol! :)

@@BobaTalks cool so just out of interest Smallville or Superman and Lois?

My God.

with S&L treatment but still in the spirit of Arrow it could work.

I WANT A BLUE BEETLE SHOW

Thanks! 😃

That is true. Todd Helbing was co-showrunner or showrunner for seasons 2 to 5.

Supergirl was terrible at the start

It's not

This is one of my concerns. If season 2 is not as good as season 1 I will stop watching.

​@@winbillhuang9859 You see, maybe it's just me but I don't want aliens or big robots or anything even remotely super powered... All those types of enemies just cheapen the show.

@@winbillhuang9859 The problem with alien/super-powered villains, is that once you go there, it's hard to top that with regular humans. It's a bit like in wrestling where an eye poke or a closed fist used to get crowds pissed at the bad guy because he was cheating, then the bad guys started using chairs... the next thing there's barbed wire baseball bats, Sledgehammers and 40 foot cages that folk get thrown off.... nobody so much as tuts when a closed fist happens. Brainiac might be a great story but once Superman beats a villain with super intelligence, where does the story go?

@@winbillhuang9859 Yeah, there's tons of stories left to tell, my point was just that it's difficult to go from an alien race with supermans powers invading Earth to "armed robber". It's like the writers shot their load already. Credit where it's due though, I think the genius of the current show is that it focuses more on his sons. They are the interesting story. Superman is almost a background character. I'd imagine that his sons will grow up to be the main villains. Maybe even the ones who kill Superman properly.

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