Why the C8 Corvette Sucks On Track.. and How We're Fixing It! 

I don’t know how y’all have had a channel since 2009 and only have 58k subscribers. Your videos are factual and give alot of knowledge.

Great video. Just a point of correction, the stock pilot sport 4S is a summer tire. It comes on the z51. It's also a 305 width not a 325.

Long wheelbase + weight + under-tired in the front = doesn't want to turn. Independent of transition tuning with shocks, a bit more rake than OE for roll center coupling plus a smidge of toe-out in the front and minimal toe-in in the rear (even zero), depending on camber settings, really helps the C8 to rotate. Look forward to having OE adjustable sway bars with the upcoming Z06 package. Great video per usual from the MotoIQ guys!

0:03 - that stance is KILLER...!!! perfect ride height, perfect tuck. observe the precision and attention to detail HERE that's not found in all the other builds seen up to this point. in fact, if you don't have keen eye...? you unfortunately may not even be able to see the difference (even though it's staring you in the face).

Your fantastically detailed explanations bring so much into perspective! Keep up the great videos, we all love em!

Yo!! My man thank you for using that off-set strut nut socket @7:33!!! I've been needing some of them! Didn't think they existed til i seen you flexing that wrenching tech! Doubled down and found the OTC part numbers. Gonna have my own coming come payday. Y'all got all the best tips!

Great video and very clear explanation on the enhancement of the shocks and brakes. Thank you for sharing this valuable information!!!

This is the exact video I was looking for! Seems like these need a few defined modifications to make them serious track machines!

Awesome updates! Thanks Mike

Really happy with your videos, thank you

You’re like Mechanical Stig of the Mighty Car Mods clan, wealth of knowledge, no bullshit, straight to the point teaching

the r888r is not a warm weather only tire, I mean you don't wanna drive it in the snow, but in freezing temps as long as its dry it'll still give you a crap ton more grip than something like a PS4S. The PS4S and other tires in its class actually lose a lot more grip once temps dip below 40°F than most 200tw and below tires do. Same with wet as long as there isn't standing water. I live in the northwest where it rains a lot and I've daily'd the r888r through the rainy winter months, as long as you don't expect to drive through 300 feet of 1" or deeper standing water at 70mph you'll be fine. The only thing the PS4S does better is water evacuation in standing water... in snow both tires are equally useless. also stock rear on the C8 is a 305, not 325.

I believe that AP even used these or a form of these AP Brake Calipers on the C8-R at this past weekends 24 Hours of Lemans! Fantastic brakes!! 🤘🏼

Excellent information as usual, love watching it. Maybe a tire comparison later with a Hoosier A7/R7

It seems like most owners I'm going to track it so the big thing is to change the exhaust really this is a smart video good job

Great video!

Great video Mike 👍👍

This channel is very chill

You are my automobile Einstein. Nobody has a in depth experience like you I learn so much at 55 amazing technology and you help me stay current. I really appreciate it.

You guys should get a Manual ZL1/1LE. It comes with DSSV dampers. Tremendous track day hero!

Mike, it’s been a few years. Your channel and content are coming along nicely. Hope all is well!

This channal gonna blow💥

If you don’t look at your significant other like this man does after market parts… you ain’t in love

Watching you guys work makes me feel lazy. Great job!

THIS IS WHY I LOVE THIS CHANNEL, I TRULY UNDERSTAND HOW THE PARTS WORK AND WHY FROM A ENGINEERS POINT OF VIEW,,, THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great video with a lot of good information. Thanks. Quick question: I noticed the small ramps, at the end of your video ( time 11:28), that you use to get the car high enough to use your hydraulic lift and I am wondering what brand they are or maybe where you got them. They look light and easy to use.

That was really good

lighter wheel, rotor, caliper can help with tuning suspension damping to be more responsive.

All fantastic mods. Those brakes are the best I've ever seen. Do they have applications for Ford and Mopar platforms as well?

Oh!!!! I would like to see how is 0-60 now that There is less weight per wheel!

Gm needs to give you two new front radiators, they are hammered by rocks already,

What made you choose r888r over a Goodyear supercar 3R? Just curious not sure if it’s because of sponsors or what

Will we get to see more of Project C8? I'd love to see what else you guys think needs improving on it. Been thinking about getting a base model & modding it to suit rather than buying one with all the factory bells & whistles that I may or may not want.

Correct me if I’m wrong but the 4S is a summer tire. The 4S doesn’t mean 4 season. It’s the 4th Generation of Pilot Sport and it’s the S model as opposed to the non S model which has different characteristics.

Sir I am buying a c8 with z51 or FE3 only no mag ride and a little concerned. Should I be and are there any good things or advantages about this?

Either you have a bulb or ballast trying to die in the shop or maybe it's LED and the reflection looks like a flicker

This guy is so smart he just doesn’t work with one car he works on all I wish he had more followers you are amazing 🙏

hey Mike any tips on setting up a drift car? I have a yokomo YD-2E

road car pads just can't take the heat. The quiet pads are not designed for heat on track use.

Hey, It's been months and it would be great to see the on track performance review of the new setup. If I just missed finding it could you please link it?

The Vettes did well in LeMan

hi mike.

What did you mean by unpredictability on the track did you mean like understeer or oversteer or just the inability to find the cars limits?

How much did all of this cost?

Are the front side radiators all bent up (fins) or does it just look like it on the vid?

Nice! Alls good except the "sucks" in the title. Thanks!

Hey, I have an issue with my C8 where the brakes keep making sound on low speed braking the sound comes randomly and the dealer said its the characteristic of the the GM brakes. My question is do you know a way to fix it and is AP Racing brakes make annoying sounds also?

Wish you can tune up a ford GT

Got to be more than one reason because if people are buying this car is there turning around and selling them and they’re not selling them for profit

How did you keep the car from complaining about the aftermarket shocks?

No steel braded break lines ?

Stock tire widths are 245 and 305, not 255 and 325. 245/305, a 60mm(2.5 inch wheel width stagger) tire width stagger is stock, a 265 and a 345 tire width stagger is a 80mm(3.5 inch wheel width stagger) difference, thier will be more understeer not less, just that the 265's will alow for higher forces before there is understeer. Should of gone with 275/35r19 on 10's and 325/30r20 on 12's: a 50mm tire width stagger with a 2 inch wheel width stagger. In comparison to a front-mid engine/rear wheel drive wide body C7 a 315/345 or 30mm tire width stagger is popular, the C7.R has 300mm(tread width not tire width) front and 310mm rear tires, but Michelin lists the slicks at 292mm and 320mm approximately a 30mm tire width stagger. A 718 Cayman GT4 has a 50mm tire width stagger, the Ferrari Challange cars have had a 50mm tire width stagger(60mm is stock).

Have you guys ever compared alcon or another big brand brakes to ap racing calibers? Ive been very commonly told wilwoods are extremely soft and crap for true racecars. AP racing seems super common but reliable

How much were those brakes?

I didn't know the stock suspension setup on the C8 was that soft.

Where is your shop located?

Most old guys I get stuck behind in corvettes doing 10 mph under the speed limit, "why would you do all that?"

what wheels are on the c8

Is that rotor on the right side ?

You didn’t mention the Understeer problem.

What ever happened to Project EP3?

So you should probably buy the cheapest C8 Corvette, and upgrade with those parts. My C7 ZO6 brakes are great on the track.

Lapel mic for Mike.

Can I add the Essex Racing AP brake kit to my 2022 Corvette C8 Coupe (non-Z51). I don't intend on tracking the car, but I like a solid better braking system.

So where can I get a C8 with all this already installed !?

If you're not writing it down, it's not science. Please do lap times before and after mods so we can see the gains.

Remember Its just the base model.

KW coil overs are street shocks, they will be garbage after a few track days.

CALIPERS ... not rotor mass (thermal capacity) held it back !? I realize you changed the rotors ... but the rotors are probably a fraction the price of the calipers (and believe rotors with more thermal mass can probably be used on OEM calipers) ... that's what the cheapskate in me would rather see; because those rotors shouldn't be more than $200ea at most ... and I wouldn't be surprised if that ultra special AP brake "kit" was over a couple grand. Ultimately, to compare things in a fair manner ... replace just the tires, test the braking. Then replace just the rotors, test the braking and resistance to fade. Then replace the calipers + pads last ... see how much a difference the extra pistons make. The coil overs will of course give you better track tuning, but at the expense of being able to tune it on the fly...so for track, I understand. I used to use A032 (which limited me to 17" wheels with a DOT of 70 I think) ... very stick. They hummed to where I knew how fast I was going by just the tires. On concrete, once up to temp, they'd roll out tire prints as if they were being fingerprinted. And on damp surfaces, they got better traction than my stock Michelin Pilots got _dry._ Sure, the rears only lasted 5500 miles ... but they were also less than $100 each (and that was with me driving like a hooligan). The fonts got about 11k miles ... and again, they only came with 1/4" new. It's really nice to see you can get STICKY tires in sizes larger than 17" ... but: They also cost a fortune for tires with sub-100 DOT ratings. R888R - $400 each ... (maybe more) Pilot SC 2 ... $500+ ... (obviously we're talking 275+ in size) GONE are the days of SUB-$100 high performance tires (if you could deal w 17" -- A032R

So a brand new C8 comes with shitty brakes and suspension that isn’t suitable for track….how much does this car cost again?

Actually, it doesn't suck but maybe your driving does.

dude is clearly stoned

To improve track performance the chassis needs to be stiffened, like Speedway Composites Chassis X Strut Brace, huge gains in lap times.

It is automatic. There now you do not have to watch the whole video.

So, I watch Speed Phenom and he doesn't have the same gripes and he tracks his all the time.🤔

You know crap about the C8 or how to drive it. Speed Phenom had none of the issues you mention.

Because it's American, and you're buying something, anything, foreign.