Why the Gospels are Myth | Richard Carrier 

I'd take a lot of Richard Carrier's work with a very large pinch of salt. The Bible is full of nonsense, but not to the extent that Carrier says. He's also factually wrong on a lot of the things he says

T H I’m gathering this as I’ve watched more of his lectures. He avoids seeming defensive by preemptively attacking his would be doubters throughout the lecture. He’s a great speaker for sure. The more I’ve read the more he seems overconfident in his Philo Of Alexandria hypotheses. I’m intrigued in seeing more secular scholars debate the historicity of Jesus Christ but it would be preferable for it to be by people who don’t just outright find Christianity offensive. I like carrier, but he sometimes comes across as a disillusioned former Christian. I like the point he makes that there are too many Jesus apologists with evangelical agendas in the field. But I also don’t think historians with a grudge is any better.

But is it good literature? I mean I like Homer, but...

Jeffrey Hughes I personally like that there’s poetry to the structure, and that there are elaborate ideas within the plot. But complexity doesn’t necessarily make it good literature. I think it’s important to be able to make the option that religious writings can be appreciated as literature and that some of it is amazing and some of it is awful. There’s a book that was helpful in this type of appreciation called “the enjoyment of scripture “

its yaboii I mean if you believe that Jesus is god and god can do the impossible, of course you would hold Jesus to that standard. I personally don’t think that either being religious or atheist is easy. Life is hard no matter what. You just have different obstacles. Your experience might make theism harder so it’s a relief to have freedom from that. I think we hold on to stories that have meaning and show us a path. Sometimes science or idealism are a good vehicle for it. Some people need a supernatural narrative and belief adds value to that narrative. I don’t like to knock people for their beliefs. People’s behavior on the other hand is worth serious criticism. Sometimes unhealthy behavior comes from belief systems and that’s also worth examining.

Books were going out of style. Any sentient creator would have predicted this.

@@HighestRank Jewish men in the Bronze Age did not.....Good point! Jewish men wrote that book, they did an awesome job, more and more of us are on to the "scam"

Why not? People like to read books, they’re easily carried, and can be copied accurately.

Who said the message was hidden? Why did you believe them?

@@davidconklin9552 Why did you believe absurd fairy tales by proven liars? "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" www.nytimes.com/1973/04/10/archives/2-drink-strychnine-at-service-and-die-in-display-of-faith.html According to world-renowned New Testament expert Dr. Bart Ehrman: "the bible is full of lies", the gospel stories are "fabricated accounts", and the books of the New Testament are "forgeries built on lies." www.huffingtonpost.com/bart-d-ehrman/the-bible-telling-lies-to_b_840301.html

Exactly.

A whole relationship. A few could at least see its own beginning.

I'm skeptical that it is "from the onset", because humans have existed for, what, a couple hundred thousand years? And it seems that these kinds of institutionalized religions didn't start to appear until well after civilization began. To me, it's more to do with power, hierarchy, and authority being concentrated into established institutions that are enforced by organized violence.

​@@atortarr there was probably proto religion. We started with Animism, but we've found sites like Gobekli Tepe which appear to be religious sites make by hunter gatherers, before traditional civilization. These hunter gatherers were most likely nomadic, staying at different sites depending on the season. But they've built and buried large stone sites, with intricate cravings . Something we previously believed only civilizations would do

you are supposed to solve the mess and declare yourself reborn in Jesus. what, you expect the religious loonies to solve the mess?! you do it! be warned!

I strongly suspect those are targeted. I get them too, when I watch skeptical or atheist content.

HODthunderwolf, the jokes on anyone who takes this clown seriously

@@michaelbrickley2443 Hey clown, “A fool will believe anything”(Prov. 14:15). Anytime you want to prove your book of debunked ancient fairy tales with the talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, which promises magic poison resistance to believers---go ahead! "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). So post your video demonstrating the magic poison-resistance superpowers that Lying Jesus promised! It's not like the Bible is full of lies, right? Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina: "But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that *the Bible is full of lies* , even if they refuse to use the term." - Who Wrote The Bible and Why It Matters

That's why I pay premium

Here, here. It's a shame most people can't see the myths and stupid gospel stories for what they are.

@in777sight Don't murder any little boys today just because some psycho who hears voices claims that Jesus ordered you to: "Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man." (Numbers 31: 17-18)

@in777sight If your imaginary god was real, he wouldn’t need pathetic douchebags to defend him by making lame-ass RU-vid comments with *NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER* !!! Instead, he would’ve provided you with magic prayer superpowers so that you could simply upload a video showing you regrowing the missing limb of an amputee. "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer" (Matt. 21:22), "Truly, truly, I say to you, whatever you ask of the Father in my name, he will give it to you" (John 16:23), "whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours" (Mark 11:24), "Nothing will be impossible for you" (Matt. 17:20). LOL! This is yet another way we know your debunked book of ancient fairy tales is false. Believers *DON’T* have any of the magic prayer superpowers, which is why the best you can do is make RU-vid comments…just like every other deluded worshiper of any other god. Right? Your comments *PROVE* that the Bible is false. So great job!

@in777sight Dr. Burton Mack, professor emeritus in early Christianity at the Claremont School of Theology: "The Gospels are fictional mythologies" www.harpercollins.com/9780060655181/who-wrote-the-new-testament/

@in777sight Dr. Alvar Ellegård, Professor at the University of Gothenburg, "the Jesus of the Gospels is essentially a myth. The Gospels are largely fiction." journals.lub.lu.se/index.php/scandia/article/download/1078/863

I preferred the "not the 9 oclock news' version where the bible movie is accused of slandering monthy python with even the main characters initials being the same....JC .. hahah.....

The Life of Brian actually does make fun of the Bible, and does it beautifully.

It did actually include monsters from outer space. They saved Brian in their ship when he fell from the tower!😀

Oh shit you're right!!!! Forgive me Monty. @@Flubbydubbydoodoo

What a coincidence seeing you here. What got you interested in this video? You have great musical taste by the way.

@Leon thecat Is that true?

@Leon thecat All the time. Funny thing is, almost all of the biggest contributors to science and human advancement historically have been Christian.

@Leon thecat The list of Christians that contributed to the field of science is a quite bit more extensive than that. If your claim is all or even most scientific thinkers of antiquity were "pretending" to be Christian, you would have to support it with evidence. Also, why do you think science and religion have to be at odds? Plenty of modern Christian scientists and doctors would scoff at the idea. Ever consider they are intended to address different aspects of reality?

@Leon thecat *"These stories were presented and disseminated to placate and control the base instincts of the masses"* To be brief, religion deals with morality and the concept of right and wrong. This isn't within the purview of science, which is intended to tell us what's true about the physical world. If by "control" you mean it lays ground work for how we should treat each other, then for that I am grateful. You should be as well. Do you believe in objective morality? That is, a standard of right and wrong that transcends the personal opinions of all humans? The bible is not a science book btw. If you've categorized it as such you're doing it and yourself a disservice.

@Leon thecat *"The bible presents itself as a science book."* Have you read the bible? It's a collection of 66 books from 40 different authors. These books have varying genres, from proverbs, poetry in song of Solomon, and recorded history in books like Kings and Chronicles. The main "scientific" claim that the bible makes is that the universe had a beginning. Something that we've recently confirmed with the BGV theorem. *"Morality? Hogwash."* You still haven't answered the question. Do you believe that an objective moral standard exists? Can't use evolution, because some people have "evolved" to think murder is acceptable. If that's the case, how can we say that they are acting immorally?

I understand, especially when ur raised in some sort of religion ur whole life. People are real gullible and believe anything without evidence doesn’t matter how ridiculous it sounds. I mean look at heavens gate cult which they killed them selves believing they would go on a spaceship. So many religions, even our famous actors like Tom cruise believe Scientology

@James Henry Smithshow your proof without referencing the Bible? Because that isn't proof for your belief based on faith.

@James Henry Smith You are delusional

It's so shocking. Even more, they will swiftly point out how mythological other religions sound.

@@ndeamonk24 Christians perceive themselves as special, superior and the chosen ones, when compared to others. Hence they get offended when we say their Bible is another stupid desert mythology

Holy Ghostbuster hahaha!🤟

If only we were all as dumb as you lol

@Bran Evans Speaking of childish, anytime you want to prove your book of debunked ancient fairy tales with the talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, which promises magic poison resistance to believers---go ahead! "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" www.nytimes.com/1973/04/10/archives/2-drink-strychnine-at-service-and-die-in-display-of-faith.html

@Bran Evans Jesus is a greek name

911 sorted that one out for those living in fantasy land. Where was super man then?

I was asked to watch his ideo on Historical Jesus. After the first 28 minutes I had a headache from picking at all the onsense.

Resisting truth is harder than embracing it.

I have the opposite of your problem and mine is filled with atheists...that's weird...😕

@in777sight why do you say Abraham is called murder?

@@stompthedragon4010 if you really want to know the history of the Bible then look up Father Mitch.

He is obviously the Master of His Domain.

I often sleep to carrier lectures, it's soothing to me like some kind of atheist scripture. Lol

Amazing how people like Dr. Carrier are so fixated on this subject, being Anti-Christ. Why doesn't he look at Islam and others.

@@nickc8819 he touches on Islam in other lectures.

@@nickc8819 He has mentioned in other lectures that Islam is not his specialty. He only speaks to subjects that are his specialty - he is a scholar and has his PhD in the history and science of ancient Greece and Rome (the birthplace of the new testament). He is not an Arabic or Persian historian. If he was he would speak to Islam. He has said he doesn't speak about topics in which he has no expertise - like any reputable scholar.

I saw the moon landing on tv too. It must be true

@@louiseleite3866 Well atleast people saw the rocket take off...

@@caraxes_noodleboi yeah, because that's the same thing 😹😹😹

@@louiseleite3866 the reason why you can have youtube and post emojis is because of science. wifi is true regardless whether u can see it. if moon landing is a hoax, it is the failure of politicians, not the failure of science. Moses if real is someone who is so weak he can't even bring clean running water in a water pipe, and his god is so weak it can't even bring light in an electrical bulb to the people they favour.

If Moses is real, Monkey God is more real than Moses, his master Xuanzang is a real historical person who lived in Tang dynasty.

Tiqqiya

Lol - No he doesnt. Having a degree in Theology and Semitic history and languages I can tell you from a scholarly standpoint if he didnt have phd at the end of his name not a single person would even sit there and listen to that. Everything well 97 percent of everything he says is easily provably false. The guys a liar. Its not much more complicated than that. Be interested to have him audited and so whos paying his light bill ;)

+The Truth Channel: Such as?

The Truth Channel please present that proof.

+The Truth Channel " 97 percent of everything he says is easily provably false." - How do you know? Where you there?

+Καρλ Αντονέσκου Listen more carefully please. Carrier is not denying the existence per se. His is questioning the mythology surrounding the history, The Jews realise there is no historical basis to their religion. Islam will fall after Christianity falls. The Dramatis Personae is the same in all three.

@@bulbul6011 so....?????

@@bulbul6011 Yr reply is not fitting to the comment. He said something about the tree and you reply with some statistic what have nothing to the with the comment

@@fullmoon5799 “Fools will believe anything” (Prov. 14:15, New Century Version). Anytime you want to prove your book of debunked ancient fairy tales with the talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, which promises magic poison resistance to believers---go ahead! "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). Go ahead! You believe what some anonymous ancient scribes claim that Jesus said, right? What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" - 2 Drink Strychnine At Service and Die In Display of Faith, New York Times. It's not like the Bible is full of lies, right? Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina: "But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that THE BIBLE IS FULL OF LIES, even if they refuse to use the term." - Who Wrote The Bible and Why It Matters

It is supposed to be a metaphor because He is going to curse at you for not accepting them, even though they are not ready to accept him. Yeah it still doesn’t make sense even as a metaphor it seems to make him a “might makes right” helpless bully.

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Don’t worry, Jesus loves dumb people too

superdog797 sup Are you Jesus? I mean Moses?

@@daltonlucas5529 Don't you know that if a man hath long hair, it is a shame unto him? 1 Corinthians 11:14

@@daltonlucas5529 “The overwhelming scholarly consensus today is that Moses is a mythical figure." bible.org/seriespage/1-current-attitudes-bible-history-and-archaeology

@@daltonlucas5529 Dr. Israel Finkelstein, Professor of the Archaeology of Israel, Tel Aviv University: "Jewish archaeologists have found no historical or archaeological evidence to back the biblical narrative on the Exodus, the Jews’ wandering in Sinai or Joshua’s conquest of Canaan. On the alleged Temple of Solomon, Finkelstein said that there is no archaeological evidence to prove it really existed." www.middleeastmonitor.com/20140220-senior-israeli-archaeologist-casts-doubt-on-jewish-heritage-of-jerusalem/

@@daltonlucas5529 Dr. William G. Dever, Professor of Near Eastern Archaeology and Anthropology at the University of Arizona, "My view all along-and especially in the recent books-is first that the biblical narratives are indeed 'stories,' often fictional and almost always propagandistic." www.bibleinterp.com/articles/Contra_Davies.shtml

the story goes back to Babylon which probably got it from the Sumerians....

...which Shakespeare reprises in the last act of Midsummer Night's Dream.

Came across this information - www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/evidenceoftheresurrection/ looks at Christianity with Reason and Logical Evaluation, using Evidences and Sources that establishes reasons for Truthful reporting. Explains Proven Biblical Manuscript History ( Historiography ) as the most testified in ancient antiquity. www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/manuscriptevidenceofthebiblepages/ and Answers Sceptic Accusations trying to discredit the Witness Accounts. As well simplifies what a person must do to be saved - www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/saved-in-christ/ Has information not very well known. Worth a read

I hate to break it to you but Romeo and Juliet happens every year all over the world. 2 people fall in love against their respective families wishes and get killed for it. That's what myths are. Real stories that get blistered up for effect.

So u believe in Jesus ??

The Harry Potter version is way better. No one has to worship the genocidal maniac or suffer for eternity.

It's a plot by the Illuminati!

Not as weird as when, after the Bible is read, people search for any reason not to accept it, whether the reason is rational or not.

@@midwestDaniel Definitely rational. Likely because they have more than two brain cells.

The ad-makers know from the title or the name of the maker, if from nothing else, that the video debunks religion. They make arrangements with RU-vid to run their paid ads, in an effort to counteract the video. (RU-vid -- not the video maker -- controls the selection and placement of ads, and RU-vid is not going to reject a chance to get money.)

@@midwestDaniel i mean the first chapter needs work...nobody really has to go looking far to see this

You never given thought that none of the events are dated? As a child I was introduced to God before the bible stories. *I believe that made it easier not to believe the bible STORIES!* The definition of story is a lie, fable, imaginary. I'm talking 8 years old at this time, but I Kept Searching For God! *What I Was Taught, I Had To Seek God Out For Myself!* I never found him. I did find that All churches are telling lies of what the bible says Even If Was True Facts. The Moral Of The Bible Says TO WORSHIP GOD PRIVATELY IN YOUR OWN HOME. Don't Seek Knowledge Of God From Holy People. YOU HAVE COPIES OF THE SCRIPTURES, Why do you need someone to read them to you?

Yeah, sounds like even Jesus could be a real jerk on some days. Poor fig tree was just doing its best, what it was created by God to do. Maybe Jesus had some daddy issues.

I don't really give a fig about the tree, unlike those poor pigs. :-(

..... As for the 'walking on water' ability .... the illusion of it may be possible by using a tight rope under the water ..... it surprises me that no-one has ever attempted to re-created it ..... xx

Tight rope! Love it😆

mdac34 what a moronic thing to say I take it that you were there when your god went abracadabra and the universe came into view lmfao

@BTIsaac :D

@in777sight A Bronze Age Donald Trump?

You don't need to have read the entire bible to understand what Carrier is saying.

Yes. His books are great.

Anyone you particularly recommend as a first read, which can be read in a laymans terms,..? I`m not a scholar.. Thanks..

Proving History is a good place.

Thanks,. Already ordered it,..

The Blind leading the blind in darkness to truth as taught in the gospels.

So in other words, you don't care anything about truth, authenticity and accuracy - basically you're admitting you're an untrustworthy person

They don't. @@MrMortal_Ra

@@cranialtyrant Lol. So your telling me that confirmation with no express of criticism whatsoever from two of the most best and most reliable historians of the ancient world each one independently attestation to Jesus and his crucifixion under Pilate, isn’t evidence? What a fucking joke. You better have a good objection.

I agree with you. In any event, PHD's and other titles do not necessarily mean that one understands the spiritual realm, which supercedes the physical realm - 1 Cor. 2:14.

@@jskok3280 😂😂 How about you put that so called spiritual knowledge on a degree or academic paper.

@@MrMortal_Ra - No thanks. I am not interested to impress anyone. BUT we( a colleague and I) have written dozens of spiritual teachings, containing hundreds and hundreds of pages which are also available on video on you tube, etc, about inner healing and deliverance under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. We give Jesus all the glory for it. Regards.

anger is not written about for these 2, nor is it needed for action

@in777sight Jesus committed assult?

@in777sightJesus attempted murder and has insighted murder gospel of luke. And book of revelation says jesus will kill those that don't believe him. God said did not kill? don't make me laugh.

I doubt he still is! Anyone that goes to battle against the almighty, will always lose. They'd either have to be suicidal or pretty clueless!? 🥺

Actually he still is... Preaching against the scriptures. 🤐

@@phil6bien The bible has been debunked as fiction by science, archaeology and biblical scholarship, but you can prove that it’s false yourself with a simple experiment. The anonymous scribes who wrote the fictional gospel tales claim that Jesus said: "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer" (Matt. 21:22). “Whatever you ask of the Father in my name, he will give it to you" (John 16:23), "whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours" (Mark 11:24). So go ahead and set up your video camera and pray for Jesus to appear to you right now! If my reality-based worldview is correct, nothing will happen, which I can predict in advance. But feel free to prove it to yourself that Jesus is imaginary. To counter any excuses, the bible claims that Jesus appeared to people after his supposed death (1 Cor. 15:3-8), including the claim that he appeared to 500 people at once, and appeared to Paul. So the authors of the gospel tales knew that it was necessary to PROVE claims by having Jesus appear to people after his death in order to provide EVIDENCE that he was really resurrected. 1) If Jesus was real, and a god, he COULD appear to you, or to anyone. 2) He supposedly appeared to others in ancient stories that we have no evidence for. 3) Jesus supposedly promised to appear in response to prayers. 4) FACT: Regardless how much you pray or ask...he won't appear. The most likely explanation for the above? Fictional literary characters can't hear prayers or do anything in real life. Jesus won’t appear because he CAN’T, and because the authors of the gospel tales were liars. Praying to Jesus is no different than praying to Spider-Man or Gandalf, or any other fictional character in a book. Feel free to list your excuses for why Jesus doesn't appear. I'll play 'logical fallacy bingo' with your responses. Also, why am I accurately able to predict the outcome in advance? “The predictive power of a scientific theory refers to its ability to generate testable predictions.” By the way, liars like to say, “Do not put my lies to the test,” but those telling the truth don’t mind if you validate their claims. Right?

@James Henry Smith The bible contains such great advice for modern life! "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). Works every time! "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" - 2 Drink Strychnine At Service and Die In Display of Faith, New York Times. *WHOOOPS!*

@James Henry Smith At least there's no harm in believing a debunked book of ancient mythology with no evidence! "Christian father shot his son dead for being gay" Daily Mail. Where would he get that crazy idea? "If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." (Lev. 20:13). It's not like the bible contains proven lies by liars, right? "But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that *the Bible is full of lies* , even if they refuse to use the term." Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina, Who Wrote the Bible and Why it Matters.

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Καρλ Αντονέσκου nope. Mainstream historians are running on assumptions. What there is not, is evidence. Don't believe me? Ok. Pretend i'm sitting there with you and you want to show me proof. Go look on the internet. See if you can find any evidence that has ever been examines by science, and held up. Not supposed miracles in some other country, or my auntie got better 'cos jesus, but actual evidence. Seriously, go look for some.

+Pete Kondolios: There is plenty of evidence that skeptics examine the evidence for the supernatural themselves, but believers ignore it and refuse to examine it.

+Pete Kondolios You are FAKE NEWS.

+Pete Kondolios That's what you hope I hope. What if I am correct?

@@apteryx01 “A fool will believe anything”(Prov. 14:15). Anytime you want to prove your book of debunked ancient fairy tales with the talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, which promises magic poison resistance to believers---go ahead! "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). So post your video demonstrating the magic poison-resistance superpowers that Lying Jesus promised! It's not like the Bible is full of lies, right? Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina: "But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that *the Bible is full of lies* , even if they refuse to use the term." - Who Wrote The Bible and Why It Matters

Richard Carrier is not a New Testament scholar, and he contradicts mainstream NT scholarship. You'll get the truth and facts on Gary Habermas and Mike Licona's channels

still trying to forgive mine for brainwashing me

I was never raised up on this. I read and accepted the Gospels as true as an adult.

@@kevinstreeter6943So have you now realized what a pile of CRAP your religion is?

As i curse my grandparents grandparents for the religious deception they fell for and passed on

I don't know why ppl consider them 'history'...

@@endofscene perhaps you should look into skeptics who don’t agree with Richard. He is in a minority of 1 or 2 & everyone else is wrong except him. You can be enamored of his light which he thinks is super bright. Go watch the debate where he got his butt handed to him. He’s on a crusade and in the end, he’s wrong.

@@michaelbrickley2443 Are you saying you consider the gospels to be history? Accurate and true? If so, why?

@@endofscene tell me why you believe a man who 99% of historical scholars think is a dangerous joker

@@michaelbrickley2443 My own analysis of the gospels leads me to the certain conclusion they are not factual accounts of historical events. Indeed, I would question whether the gospel authors themselves even intended to write 'historical accounts'. They certainly don't say as much. This doesn't mean there is no historical information in the gospels. It is the job of the serious scholar to try to ascertain what information is historical (factual) and what is mythological (fictional). Doubtless, the only scholars who believe everything in the gospels is true and factual are Christian fundamentalists. I don't find their arguments convincing, and I think their religious beliefs are frankly pathetic. As for Richard Carrier himself, I'm not aware that 99% of historical scholars think he is a dangerous joker. Can you back up that claim with some references? Obviously Christian fundamentalist scholars disagree with him, but they disagree with any scholar who doesn't consider everything in the Bible to be true. If there is something in particular about Richard's work or something he has said in this video that you take issue with then I'm willing to hear you out about where you think he is wrong and why.

It’s plausible. Much more than other religions. The fact that we exist at all is weird. It’s a question we’ve asked for a long time. It’s just weird how sophisticated we are. Even the people you’d deem stupid are incredibly well made. It’s a wonder we can even express thoughts with each other. The human body is ridiculously well made. The universe is enormous and complex. It’s amazing that the chemistry happens to allow this beautiful world to exist the way it does with humans capable of understanding it. It’s incredible that we can create beauty and experience love the way we do. Even if you adhere to a purely naturalistic world view, it’s still amazing. Anyways, the point of that was just to say our existence here demands an explanation. Christianity is different from Buddhism, because for one, the sources are way closer and way more reliable, and for two Jesus was a historical person in the eyes of most scholars. Carrier is the minority opinion. Also, I think a purely naturalistic world view is foolish; just because you or I haven’t personally witnessed miracles doesn’t mean they haven’t occurred.

what is plausible? the bible? how? nothing weird about the fact that we exist, which part of it is weird? we are made from mostly carbon, the most active atom of all, it can made "in theory" an infinite chain of molecule since it can bond without limit to almost any other atom, and guess what? carbon is the 3rd most common element in universe, in other word we are just a common good, a random chance bound to happen, now if we are silicone base lifeforms then you can made an argument why we are special, but carbon base lifeform? mehhh its a dime a dozen I can see that you are not very well educated on science, so i can see why you have such a wrong perception of human body, the fact is human body is ridiculously flawed there is almost nothing of human body can be consider "well made" starting from only having 1 passage for eating and breathing which allow most human to choke on their food, also fact that our head is much bigger than vagina hole when we are born which made an act of just being born a struggle between life or death (most animal dont have that disadvantage), we are considerably slower an weaker than most other animal our size especially if you compare our muscle quality to gorilla or any other ape, and our immune system are beyond pathetic if you compare them to just about any animal, most of our DNA is a junk DNA who have no purpose, its like a blue print for 100 story building but the one who got made is the first floor and the last floor only, which in most case create many defect on our body like cancer or deformation. I could go on and on about how not well made human bodies are. What do you meant the source for christianity are closer???? seriously i dont understand the logic of that particular argument? and more reliable??? that even made less sense, how? you cannot just made a proclamation without backing it up with evidence, to buddhist their mythology is closer and more reliable. I dont care if most scholar thinks jesus was a historical person or not, i only care about evidence, which in jesus case it have none what so ever, a complete 0% evidence of jesus of the bible myth ever been recorded by secular historian and that made the claims very dubious, but back to the story of monkey king "thong sam chong" is an actual historical person, he was a monk who were adopted by the second king of tang dynasty "lie see min" his name is recorded in the royal archive of tang heredity, now the story of how he made a journey to the west accompany by a monkey god, a pig demigod, a river demon and a white dragon, now that part is just a myth like the bible, but the part of thong sam chong being a real historical person is way more credible than jesus as historical person. And lastly a purely naturalistic world view is the one and only way to not be a foolish person, people who have non naturalistic view is by definition "foolish" and most likely insane. If you or i or anyone who never witness a so called "miraculous" event, then the only sane thing to do is not to believe such things ever happen, believe should be base on evidence, not hearsay, if something have not been proven to be correct then no one who is not crazy should ever believe it .

Wow, what kind of psycho tells gullible fanatics that they can *drink deadly poison* without harm? "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). What could go wrong? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" www.nytimes.com/1973/04/10/archives/2-drink-strychnine-at-service-and-die-in-display-of-faith.html

Roma X I’m sorry, you’re just taking everything for granted. Our existence isn’t as simple as you want to make it. A lot of things had to go right to get us here. This is evidenced by the fact that there is no complex life anywhere else in the observable universe. The human body is wonderfully made despite the fact that “our muscles” aren’t as good as apes. Little silly, but whatever. Point is, we are a system of extremely complex parts that gives us the experience of consciousness and all that comes with it. You want to act like humans aren’t “miraculous,” while you use a device that can send information all over the world because the human being learned about quantum mechanics. Also, I think your info on the junk dna is dated. In fact a lot of the stuff you told me you might want to re-research. Like the way dna works at all. When I said sources I meant like historical sources. It isn’t a X religion feels there’s is closer kind of statement. Look up how close extant manuscripts are to the originals and how close the originals are to the event. Christianity will fair better. And more reliable means that the text was transmitted more accurately when copied, so we have a much better idea of the what the original was. You actually believe most scholars count him as historical on no evidence?

Dee Bunker pretty sure that was a late edition. Aka not original to the text.

So, "darwinism" (whatever you believe it to be) influenced nazism? Wow... First of all, how does a mere *explanation of nature's behaviour* tell anyone how they should run their lives?? You understand how "descriptive" and "prescriptive" are different things, right? Second, *even* if you were right, so what? If a criminal ends up finding inspiration in the correct and valid work of a scientist, how does that make the scientist guilty or its work any less credible? Imagine we arrest a serial killer and, in court, we asked him *why* did he do it, just to have the raving lunatic answer that he got inspiration for his crimes in the theory of gravity!! Should we then "outlaw" gravity? Or perhaps hold gravity accountable as well (guilty by association)? Or should we just understand that crazies will be crazies? My point is, *get real,* dude!! I know that it must suck having your pet beliefs smashed by *Science* but trying to make Science sound "guilty" somehow, just to get back at it, is dumb as shit!!! If you wanna point the finger at anyone for those millions of dead jews, point it at christianity, because it supported nazism from day one! Leave Science alone, because its goal is *saving* lives!

"Almost all Germans were Christian, belonging either to the Roman Catholic (ca. 20 million members) or the Protestant (ca. 40 million members) churches." Holocaust Encyclopedia www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005206

"A public appeal released by German Christian leaders claimed that 'the eternal God created for our nation a law that is peculiar to its own kind. It took shape in the Leader Adolf Hitler, and in the National Socialist state created by him. This law speaks to us from the history of our people...One Nation! One God! One Reich! One Church!'" Protestant Churches and the Nazi State, www.facinghistory.org/holocaust-and-human-behavior/chapter-5/protestant-churches-and-nazi-state

German Christians - "Their symbol was a traditional Christian cross with a swastika in the middle and the group's German initials "D" and "C". It was claimed and remembered, as a "fact", that the Jews had killed Christ, thus appealing to and actively encouraging existing anti-Semitic sentiment among Christians in Germany." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Christians

"Most Christians in Germany welcomed the rise of Nazism in 1933. They were also persuaded by the statement on “positive Christianity” in Article 24 of the 1920 Nazi Party Platform." - Holocaust Encyclopedia, www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005206

Humans will diligently listen to a bias assessment disagreeing with the same thing they disagree with blinding themselves to the obvious bias contained within. " I disagree with this this makes no sense." Watching this is like watching a cookie commercial that simply says "which one would you rather have? This gross cookie? Or this decadently delicious cookie?"

Carrier was supposed to be smart, yet he makes idiotic mistakes. He claims the Gospels dont ever doubt anything- does he not know doubting Thomas or Matthew 28;17?

“Myth is more important than history. History is arbitrary, a collection of facts. Myth we choose, we create, we perpetuate. The story may not be correct but it transcends truth. It’s like religion - beyond facts. Myth trumps fact, always does, always has, always will.” -- From A Voyage Long and Strange by Tony Horwitz © 2008, quote from well-known minister, Peter Gomes.

@@sjdesign6575 Perhaps you're the one making the idiotic mistakes. How would the anonymous gospel authors, who don't even claim to be eyewitnesses, have known the story about 'doubting Thomas' was true? How about the claim that Jesus’ mother was impregnated by a god and gave birth as a virgin? Paul says nothing about this, nor do any of the 1st century epistle writers, nor do the anonymous authors of Mark or John. Only 2 of the 4 gospel authors make this claim, and how could they know? Did they witness God impregnating Jesus’ mother? Did they inspect pregnant Mary's vagina to confirm that her hymen was intact? Did they have her gynecological reports? 😉 😊 😋 You can't possibly know this, and THEY couldn't have known, and they don't even claim to be eyewitnesses of anything, and there is *ZERO* evidence for this claim. But we have *LOTS* of evidence for liars, right?

@UCe1Slh23ygrEcrB8leXsFkQ It is! Interesting to me that it came from a well-known and respected cleric. Apparently the fairytale is ok by him. I think he made a pretty good living from it, too..

Roman garrison camp.

The 2,000 pigs are a metaphor for the Roman 10th Fretensis Legion that was in the area of Syria and Galilee during Jesus' lifetime. Its battle flags carried the image of a wild boar (or pig) as its mascot. So when Jesus drives the "legion" from the demoniac, he is referring to a Roman legion of 2,000 troops that have a wild boar as their mascot image. So basically, Carrier hasn't done his homework on this. Metaphors can be used to disguise historical events, especially among populations occupied by foreign powers.

The problem is many fundamentalists believe they were real pigs and real deamons

@@allenhonaker4107 Apparently, so does Richard Carrier.

One Gospel says it happened in Gerasa, the modern day city of Jerash in Jordan 🇯🇴. This was an area with a strong Hellenistic element, ever since the conquest by Alexander the Great. You can still see the Greek amphitheater and the Roman ruins there. So yes, it’s highly likely.

@Donald Ring What happens when fools believe proven liars? "Faith-Healing Parents Jailed After Second Child's Death" time.com/8750/faith-healing-parents-jailed-after-second-childs-death/ Where did they get that crazy idea?!! Jesus promised: "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer" (Matt. 21:22), "And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well" (James 5:15). "And these signs will accompany those who believe...they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well" (Mark 16:17-18). "Nothing will be impossible for you" (Matt. 17:20).

@James Henry Smith Maybe we are being deceived by Satan....and if that is true, you are letting him do it. A real christian wouldn't do that.

@James Henry Smith Real christians don't just babble forever and do nothing to improve the situation.

@James Henry Smith You may be scared of death, but you aren't a real christian. Real christians didn't live in fear their entire lives.

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Been asking that question for 45 years.

wild

@@jdlotus8253 : Where were those pigs, in Israel or the outskirts of Israel? Do you need 45 years to figure out this? Your ignorance is shown here.

@@rajiphilips5937 I think YOUR ignorance is shown here, alongside the revelation that you are possessed by hatred of others. Your comment isn't even relevant to the discussion.

@@jdlotus8253 : When some people do not know how to defend their argument, they speak exactly like you. So, run baby run! Instead of shooting like a blind, open your eyes and get some sense.

John MacArthur ... John, respectfully, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

@John MacArthur it's a metaphor ... he's not actually talking to a tree or cursing it for not producing figs ... It shows utter foolishness when you take metaphors for truth ... I'm just gonne give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were joking with that comment.

@Bran Evans Your comment towards John is quite wicked. God will choose his own. You have no right to say what John or Gods choice is or has been. You do not know until the day of judgement. In fact, you do not even know whether you are serving the god who is satan in disguise or the true god whom no one has seen yet. Therefore do not judge, you are not the judge.

​@John MacArthur "no one knows when to take the Bible literally and when to take it figuratively." You are correct. The bible warns about this very fact (but no one actually takes it serious). That the false believers will turn everything upside down by the end. Spiritual and Physical are switched out. Now that you know this, it is easier to revert it back to the truth since all you need to do is find out what the common interpretation is and find the twist that makes it correct again. I will now try to answer the question on the fig tree as best as I can. Parable of The Fig Tree: "Early in the morning, as Jesus was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, 'May you never bear fruit again!' Immediately the tree withered. When the disciples saw this, they were amazed. 'How did the fig tree wither so quickly?' they asked. Jesus replied, 'Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.'" My answer: Jesus was in Jerusalem the capitol of the Israelites, which is also supposed to be the spiritual city of god. Jesus is hungry, is he physically hungry? No he is hungry for the truth and the fruit of the spirit that is supposed to reside within Jerusalem/Israel. But there is nothing there, it is a spiritual wasteland and therefore the tree (Israel) only has leaves and bears no fruit. Will you let falsehoods and wrong belief stay within your heart that will not allow your soul and understanding to develop? Every false belief inside of your mind will not produce fruit but it will take up valuable space from which new trees could grow and produce fruit. When you learn a new truth that changes your reality and abolishes the old falsehood. You cast away the falsehood and create space for new truth (new tree) and fruit (realizations of that truth) to develop. The very essence of science is to discard that which is false and allow new ideas to prosper. When you cast away the falsehoods, the tree (neural network, since they have a similar appearance in branching pattern as a tree) in your mind that upholds that belief instantly starts to wither away upon realization. The mountain (perceived obstacles and blockage of thought) that was preventing you from moving on will also be thrown into the sea and disappear allowing you to develop your mind and soul further, thus creating a new path towards truth and further understanding. The Common Christian Narrative: The explanation for this verse is that the fig tree (''only'') resembles Israel/Jerusalem and that Jesus declares that it should wither because the jews have fallen out of favor with god. All you need is faith and you can move mountains. (Jerusalem is destroyed by the romans later and thus the (supposed) prophecy is made true.) The truth (imho) is that both explanations that I gave are true but some only pay attention to the tree being israel and that being faithful till stupidity (somehow) pays off lmao. You will notice clearly that (most of) the Christians who follow the common interpretation don't believe in science because they never understood the part about Jesus telling them that they themselves can do the same and tell the tree to wither inside of them so as to move mountains. They continue to feed a fruitless fig tree through sheer stubbornness of faith. You may think I am stretching with my interpretation but I am quite serious. The reason I say this is because if you are advanced enough in meditation/prayer you can actually see your own neural network inside your mind. It's a skill you can develop if you learn to properly pray which is not taught in church. It is a skill which is actually quite hard to develop and cannot be easily explained just as it cannot be explained how you should move your limbs or breath for example. You simply do. But when you do properly pray with your heart, a light will appear inside your inner mind that will guide you through your own mind and neural highways and allow you to reshape and correct yourself and eradicate falsehoods. This skill seems to have been neglected and common church prayer nowadays is just doing a little mantra and saying amen at the end. A fools ritual ... Science and Spirituality are not in contradiction with each other. Those that perceive conflicts are the ones who are feeding fruitless fig trees and thinking if they just wait a little longer the fig tree will produce fruit again. The reason Jesus did not answer these things directly in this parable is because the people who feed fruitless fig trees would obviously misinterpret the parable and avoid personal responsibility and just blame israel instead. Those that understand and realize the truth will see the parable with their own eyes and understand the greater meaning which was hidden on purpose and let the dead fig tree inside of them wither and see mountains move as their faith is reaffirmed and prospers. The parables are intentionally obfuscated in such a manner that false believers will not find the correct answer and be hypocrites in their believes. Those that truly seek will continue searching and searching until they one day find the answer after hard work. The hard work that the false believers were not willing to put in. I do not go to church or follow any church doctrine. I think church is cancer and a mind control system and therefore do not bother with all the thousands of ridiculous denominations or interpretations of fools. Church is literally a fruitless fig tree. If you are looking for the truth in earnest and keep an open mind and heart. You will find the way. That is all that is asked of you in this life. Looking for the Truth is the same as looking for God but most importantly ... looking for the true you. It is always an ever going quest to find the Truth and your True Self, those that say they know, they don't know and those that say they don't know, they know more than those that say they do. For one is at least looking for new perspectives whereas the other is staring at the same dead spot the entire time waiting for magical fruit to appear. If you are critical of the bible, that is the proper way of reading it my friend. Only fools read and believe instantly whatever they read. Let the fools be fools but let your own imagination speak to you and guide you so as to allow all possible interpretations no matter how crazy they may be enter into your mind and you will find new paths and new ways to develop your soul and ultimately the truth will open up and you will taste the fruit of your labor. You must first throw away of what you think a christian is or what faith even means since it is clearly based on something rigged (and false natured) that you have seen around you and come to accept as real. Stop feeding that tree. That is not what faith truly is. Faith is like following a path knowing that if you keep on the path you will find the destination you were heading for in your heart. It's a trail of bread crumbs that will eventually lead to the river of life from which you will drink and understand. Hope this helped a little bit. Plz take care friend.

@John MacArthur I see and I completely understand that perspective as one who held it as well at one time. I wish I could show you what I could see so you would understand but alas I cannot, you can hopefully trust my word as a fellow human to human who wishes nothing more than to share truth with another. Not faith, but truth my friend. Like telling you that your tail light is broken. I will tell you when it is functioning instead. The (active) Holy Spirit is a real thing, it's not a mystical thing and many people claim to have it when they do not. They just pretend that they do. It's rather simple to know whether you have it active or not. It's a light that shines inside your mind when you close your eyes or heck even when you don't close them. It's literally (and NOT figuratively) a light that shines within. Many Christians claim they have the holy spirit but they don't even know what it really is or how it looks like. So what is it really? I will tell you. It's a piece of the original source fractal that generates and sustains our universe and our souls, it is the soul itself in practice. Fractals are these weird mathematical multi-dimensional oddities that are both subject and object, infinite and finite. It's math in its most beautiful and living form and you should try to look them up if you are interested in them scientifically. It is truly fascinating and yet barely comprehensible. Jesus could not speak about fractals or the truth of our reality because many of these words did not exist in his time. That is why parables and objects with similar appearance are used throughout time and faiths from all over the world to resemble these incomprehensible concepts so as to approach the truth in a understandable way. You will know when you have found the truth when the light shines within you my friend. Similarly in many ways I have not changed my beliefs since I was an atheist because my faith was never contingent on fairy tales but built on broadening science and spirituality until it fitted neatly and properly. I simply expanded my understanding and definitions of words to be more broad and encompassing loosening the restrains on my mind and thinking freely. When you broaden your perspective, you will see that you've been looking with one eye closed for the truth. People of faith are blind in that they lack scientific understanding and cannot apply their faith to science and thus reject it with stubborn conviction that lacks truth. People of science are blind in that they fail to broaden their understanding of scripture and fail to realize spirituality is the application of science in a broader human context and thus they firmly reject faith thinking it lacks meaning. Find the middle path that combines both. I wish you well and thank you for reading and considering my words.

Even lies have meaning. Do you mean applicability, and testibilty, and proveability, and probability?

@@letsomethingshine YOU ARE SO INTELLIGENT 🤓

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So what is the meaning of the Bible if it is just invented stories? Like the boy who cried wolf story, there are many cautionary tales in the Bible which have meaning but are nothing to do with religion. Those stories are mostly very much older than Christianity.

pglover2010 Pardon?

Remember anything that approaches cognite dissonance means that 'god is testing their faith'. Don't want to be on 'loves' naughty list... 🔥🔥🔥🔥

I've tried - it's a waste of time

@@haydenwalton2766its as hard as explaining how lgbt and blm is a jewish psyop to white democrats

+rod of discipline, My spin on life is that drinking deadly poison just because some liar told you that Jesus said so is a good way to end yours sooner: "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" www.nytimes.com/1973/04/10/archives/2-drink-strychnine-at-service-and-die-in-display-of-faith.html

+Dd S, I get this all the time. Christians complain that science debunks their absurd book of ancient fables, and they say, "Well what's your alternative offer to eternal life in another dimension?" They want to be sold lies, apparently, told how to think, get their purpose in life from a book from another hairless ape who knows no more about it then they do, etc. Some people don't seem to understand that "I don't know" is honest and can be wise...as opposed to someone who pretends to know something they don't, or is ignorant of the fact that they don't know.

Socrates (470-399 BCE), considered the wisest man in the world, said, "I went and tried to explain to him that he thought himself wise, but was not really wise; and the consequence was that he hated me...So I left him, saying to myself, as I went away: Well, although I do not suppose that either of us knows anything really beautiful and good, I am better off than he is - for he knows nothing, and thinks that he knows. I neither know nor think that I know. In this latter particular, then, I seem to have slightly the advantage of him." classics.mit.edu/Plato/apology.html

It doesn't take much intelligence to critique absurd claims. Why would you leap to that insult? Maybe you are a blind believer? Maybe you are really dumb? Enlighten us please.

+Dd S, Well said. I believed all this crap too and was raised as a Christian fundamentalist. But I was the victim of a scam. I only had one side of the argument and was ignorant of the actual facts. Then I felt stupid for not noticing the obvious a lot earlier. But I didn't have any critical thinking skills or tools to sort out truth from fiction.

looks like Lazarus ran in the first Paralympics

The United States . In 2019, Christians represent 65% of the total adult population, 43% identifying as Protestants, 20% as Catholics, and 2% as Mormons.

He would be considered a Zombie by today's standards.

Good luck with that.

Wouldn’t it be good to believe in that that’s like saying you’re just a bundle of dna that goes for a big sleep lot of people could just do whatever they like no spirt no will no hope no nothing no miracles if you’ve never heard of Fatima a place in Portugal find out what happened thier then tell me how it’s not true I believe in it so please take away my faith in the story should be easy for you I obviously have a low iq and never Question things that are true and amazing so I look forward to your intelligent humiliation if you’re unable maybe your wrong

You know there is no proof god doesn’t exists, science can’t discredit if there is a god or not. Also Abrahamic faiths are not the only faiths, you think the Dharmic faiths are just like the Abrahamic faiths.

Fatima

Who or what do YOU worship, Slave?

Петър Петров what you just said proves that you’re not intelligent at all. The comparison is pretty idiotic and I’m not even a bible thumper.

Imagine that someday 1,800 years from now nobody will believe that any of our first 50 presidents existed because Liberal Professors will be able to come up with every trick imaginable to explain away anything that looks like solid evidence. Don’t believe me? Well here’s a mental exercise. Try convincing me that George Washington actually existed. There is zero “proof” that he existed.

Most likely some one will do that

That will never happen. We are living in the age of superior technology and people in the future will be way to smart

Pound4Pound, have you seen the movie W.A.L.L.- E? Did it look like those people were getting smarter because of their technology dependance?

Mark. Sure. Doesn't make it real though. Allah is very real to suicide bombers. Doesn't mean they're getting 72 virgins though. God, who'd want that?

rationalguy I like the cat avitar.

I can see why.

Yeah. It might just be 72 neckbeards playing World of Warcraft in their Moms' basements!

rationalguy all hail the meowpocalypse!

Hi Dee, I just drank some poison and my pet rattlesnake just bit me...I'm not feelin' too good...Now here is the question: are ya gonna just keep typin all day long, tellin' everyone how stupid I am, or are ya gonna get off that cum-put-er and DO something..HELP!!......perhaps you have some dissability or disfigurement that is holding you back, but honest, take a risk, Get out of that room, go volunteer somewhwere. I joke about Athiest funded food banks and Agnostic sponsored homeless shelters but honestly, we don't care what you look like or what your beliefs are...We need your heart more than we need your mind. I want to encourage you Dee, get outside, volunteer, you might like some of us bible totin' crazies...and we might love you!!!. Go out and meet us. We might dissagree and still be your best buddy. Sendin' you love, friend.

We know the bible is inspired by an all-powerful God of love because of its advanced, practical solutions to life problems: like what to do if you're in a fight and a girl grabs your junk?!! "If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, *you shall cut off her hand* . Show her no pity" (Deuteronomy 25:11-12). Thanks, Yahweh! I personally wouldn't have thought to handle it that way due to my modern sense of ethics, morality and empathy, but obviously a loving, all-knowing, super-intelligent deity would know better than I would.

Brother Dee is my buddy so don't all you christian baby killers go and start yellin' at him just because he is spoutin' off old Levitical/Deut laws that expired 2000 years ago..He knows that. He is just havin' fun...Give Dee some love...and maybe a copy of the New Testament...He may not have that one...

@@standswithfist806 You almost made sense and then you didn't.

@@standswithfist806 stop the bullshit

@James Henry Smith At least there's no harm in believing absurd supernatural claims with no evidence! "This is what the Lord Almighty says...put to death men and women, children and infants." (1 Samuel 15:2-3). Well, except for all the women, children and infants that this death cult murdered on hearsay based on the claims of some man who heard voices telling him to murder people, right? But if some guy claims that Jesus appeared to him last night and ordered you to murder your neighbor’s entire family, then it MUST be true, right? It’s not like he might be a LIAR, or mentally ill, right? *SUCKER* - “a person who believes everything they are told and is therefore easy to deceive” - Cambridge Dictionary

Interesting....listen to people you argee with must be sooooo boring..

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@@Boatman607 Richard Dawkins is an atheist and William Lane Craig is a Christian apologist, so anyone who listens to both of them definitely doesn't only listen to people they agree with

jassybee The Catholic church is NOT a 'Christian' organization! It is a 'Lucifarian' organization that masquerades as a Christian organization. Therefor, what you learned in a Catholic school was NOT the truth of the bible! It was the 'lie' of man!!! That is the very 'reason' you are deceived!!!

jim happnin and let me guess...your Protestant delusions are better than catholic beliefs?

Fern ASMR I'm NOT 'Protestant'! I AM 'biblical!! If you don't know the difference... You're 'lost'!!

jim happnin you’re a Protestant...all of your sects are the same....which of the 33,000 different denominations are you from ?

@@jimhappnin1425 You're a freaking lying idiot is what you are!

Flo Chartingham tell that to all those mediocre "pew warming statues" who also like money, their bragging about careers, homes, buying all the toys like BMW's and stuff! Even pastors.Not very humble, oh I've seen them!!! lots of professing church goers need a knocking down off their high and mighty horse. You know what I'm talking about.

@@EdMcCornhole If you could give me their email addresses I'll shoot them all emails right away. I'll tell them how their attitudes are shaped more by the society they are always struggling to climb to be part of a better society so they can leave the society they are in behind rather than being part of society more than paying attention to what their "Holy Scripture" says. Like the guy giving the lecture says, the Bible speaks largely from a position of assumed authority so the "pew warming statues" are only taking part in being part to sanctify their own selves/lives/wealth/authority. The verses following Timothy 10:6 generally say to loathe "rich" people. "Rich" is a relevant term. I am rich in ways no one else might value but to go with the assumption of the text it means momentarily well endowed. There is a very distinct evil there involving "rich" people becoming the masters of society, which brings me to another evil that predates money and that is enslavement. If there is one unifying characteristic among all people it is that no one is or ever has been perfect. Tell that to a Christian and you get summarily corrected. The Bible enslaves people to the notion that they must strive to be perfect like Jeebus. If the Bible was worth the adulation it receives it would emphasise accepting everyone and everything natural as God's creation. I don't see much of that happening.

The "christian" is held to a more rigid standard in society based on what is considered morally relevant, status quo, and are suppose to act in accordance to the scriptures. Some do, but many blend in like everybody in society. Jesus was NOT a wealthy smug overly ambitious "selfie" type and his converts should emulate the same. I'm not impressed when I see them rolling out the church parking lot in BMW's or mercedes while a true christian loses their head in a war torn country.They are suppose to be meek and humble. They live for the popularity contest like the world. They show no fortitude to what they believe and if a homeless bum on the street walked into the church they would cringe and act disdainfully. Majority are hypocrites.

My favorite miss quote is the love of money is the root of all evil. It doesn’t say “all”. It says “many”. The lust of money is the root of many evils. And the use of the word money means gold, silver coins. And yes, they had that and no it was not “new”. It funny how people have to write books telling everyone that something isn’t true - like this is a new idea. The only people buying these books are the other people that wrote books about the same thing. If I’m wrong about God and there is really nothing then it’s no big deal. I’ll die and everything is over. But if you guys are wrong and there is a God, it will be a very big problem for you. I like my chances a little better.

so you love money then?

Well, you are an atheistt and your source is the jewish library? That tells a lot about your so called atheism. It happens, that nazi germany allowed the publishing of the talmud. So this it means that by pushing the racism agenda you are a type of racist and then you are already Talmudic, whether you know it or not. The Babylonian Talmud is the fount of racism. German Nazi self-worship ultimately derived, by a western occult pathway (Giordano Bruno, Johannes Reuchlin, et al.), from Kabbalistic and Talmudic doctrine. Now... What about the nazi racist talmud? O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work. Jews Have Superior Legal Status Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full." Jews May Steal from Non-Jews Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..." Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep. Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel." Jews May Lie to Non-Jews Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile. Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals

Jesus was Hitler's Lord and Savior: "My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them" -Adolf HItler, Munich 12 April 1922; The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, Oxford University Press. pp. 19-20. en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

Well my focus without a doubt, is the monetary system. To be accurate they are not printing money out of thin air. They are "printing debt" as money, only about 3/5% is cash. It's a trick, they create "deposits" when the make loans. That's why a nation creating its own money, it's taboo. Take a look at: Richard Werner: Banking & The Economy or Real Big Power: Revelations by insider Ronald Bernard-part 2. Their hidden power, is a house of cards.

Almost everything, almost every roads, leads to ancient babylon, nowdays known as judaism. Well, the gold trap it's a part of the hegelian dialectic, of the monetary system. Money backed by gold it's not what they hate most. Actually, the debt money system goes way back around 4.000 year, to ancient babylon, with perpetual debt to the masters. The debt money system is just one of the many tentacles but it's most powerful if left in their hands, that's how they control the game, and actually nothing more than a house of cards.

Many of Paul's letters are forged - "Paul’s name was used to lend authority to the ideas of later authors who intend for readers to believe they come from Paul. In modern parlance we call such writings forgeries, but a more polite academic term is pseudonymous, meaning “falsely named.”" - Dr. James Tabor www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/people-in-the-bible/the-quest-for-the-historical-paul/

So silly

“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities” - Voltaire. If you can believe in a god because some guy said so, then you can believe that a god wants you to murder children and infants because some guy said so: "This is what the Lord Almighty says...Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys." (1 Samuel 15:2-3). “Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction” - Blaise Pascal.

@williamward9278 Can you be more specific?

@williamward9278 They?

He has shown that there really was no distinct sect or doctrine called "Gnostic", it's a label applied by later authors.

liar

Maybe you can. Romans 10:15

Universities have been teaching about religions of the world and myths of the world since forever... Grade school too.

First of all it’s Quran not Koran. Sure, you’ll make the crap argument that you can spell it either way...... not hearing it. Second, don’t act like there is a love affair between the west and Islam.

It's called Religion 201

Relying on historical proof for this or that in, of all places, history, is a dubious proposition. It's fun to speculate if there ever was a Jesus or a Socrates...but that is all it is--fun. History is NOT science; it is more of an art form.

@TAB Did you watch the video? Or did you just come on to post preachy nonsense?

The author of the bible says, “I am more stupid than any other person, and I lack a human’s ability to understand. I have not gained wisdom, and I have no knowledge of the Holy One." (Prov. 30:2-3). This disproves your claim that the Bible is from God. Why should I believe absurd fairy tales about a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies from an author who is more stupid than any other person? "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service"

​@tandme2342You cannot love a God and fear him as well.

i knew J E S U S wasnt real no wonder they left Europe

im glad im n0t a CHRISTIAN

Deluded fanatics still believe in Satan in the 21st century? Anytime you want to prove your book of debunked ancient fairy tales with the talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, which promises magic poison resistance to believers---go ahead! "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" www.nytimes.com/1973/04/10/archives/2-drink-strychnine-at-service-and-die-in-display-of-faith.html It's not like the Bible is full of lies, right? Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina: "But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that *the Bible is full of lies* , even if they refuse to use the term." www.huffpost.com/entry/the-bible-telling-lies-to_b_840301

@John Texas You said, "giants and 900 year old men can scientifically be possible". Do you know what else is scientifically possible---liars making false claims. We have *LOTS* of evidence that liars exist and are common, and we have *ZERO* evidence for 900-year-old men, or virgin-born demigods with superpowers, etc. So the most likely explanation for absurd supernatural claims is that liars lied. Learn some critical thinking skills.

I mean yeah it's hard to sleep when you don't exist 😎😎😎😎😎

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Samurai *Hahahahaha, the letter “J” is not in the Hebrew alphabet.* *No Jew who ever walked this earth ever heard the name “Jehovah” in their life.*

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@@realitycheck3672 : Only Jewish tribe is preserved from the ancient world. There is no trace of any other tribe with designated country and language. Its due to their trust in the living God, "I AM WHO I AM. " They are still a formidable force to be reckoned with. You are mocking on your own foolishness.

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peterscottmorgan1 having been a tax collector Matthew would have noted details involving coinage which other disciples like fishermen would probably have overlooked.

@@HighestRank Why should I believe absurd ancient fairy tales from brainwashed members of a human sacrifice cult whose holy book is demonstrably false and has already been debunked by science, archaeology and biblical scholarship as proven lies? "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" www.nytimes.com/1973/04/10/archives/2-drink-strychnine-at-service-and-die-in-display-of-faith.html

@@mythbuster1483 : You are an ignorant.

@@rajiphilips5937 What happens when fools believe proven liars? "Faith-Healing Parents Jailed After Second Child's Death" time.com/8750/faith-healing-parents-jailed-after-second-childs-death/ Where did they get that crazy idea?!! Jesus promised: "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer" (Matt. 21:22), "And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well" (James 5:15). "And these signs will accompany those who believe...they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well" (Mark 16:17-18). "Nothing will be impossible for you" (Matt. 17:20).

"Tell 'em I'm a Zealot" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Iv3UyrvOXSs.html

nothing to do with anti-jesus, and all to do with evidence based analysis. The fables read as such, avoids the schizoid approach to modern interpretation as we see in the muslim faith.

More like PRO TRUTH

Came across this information - www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/evidenceoftheresurrection/ looks at Christianity with Reason and Logical Evaluation, using Evidences and Sources that establishes reasons for Truthful reporting. Explains Proven Biblical Manuscript History ( Historiography ) as the most testified in ancient antiquity. www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/manuscriptevidenceofthebiblepages/ and Answers Sceptic Accusations trying to discredit the Witness Accounts. As well simplifies what a person must do to be saved - www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/saved-in-christ/ Has information not very well known. Worth a read

The Demand for a Sign. Mark 8:11-12 11 * The Pharisees came forward and began to argue with him, seeking from him a sign from heaven to test him. 12 He sighed from the depth of his spirit and said, “Why does this generation seek a sign? Amen, I say to you, no sign will be given to this generation.”

@@Arvind8558 and even if it was right in front of them they wouldn’t believe it anyway, all you can do is pray for them

wOmAn Is God Life Begins in The WombTruth is spooky just being good will not get you to Heaven. The bible says its not by works lest any man should boast but you are saved by grace. Gods Riches At Christs Expense. If you could get to Heaven by being good moral then Jesus died and rose for nothing.

@Donald Ring Look man, I'm a Christian as well, but you're not doing anyone any favours by ignorantly telling people they are going to hell. Let people come to Christ on their own, or at least try to be more humble about your approach.

@@beanlegume9965 What happens when fools believe proven liars? "Faith-Healing Parents Jailed After Second Child's Death" time.com/8750/faith-healing-parents-jailed-after-second-childs-death/ Where did they get that crazy idea?!! Jesus promised: "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer" (Matt. 21:22), "And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well" (James 5:15). "And these signs will accompany those who believe...they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well" (Mark 16:17-18). "Nothing will be impossible for you" (Matt. 17:20).

@@beanlegume9965 Jesus was a proven liar and false prophet who tricked gullible believers into killing themselves: "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" www.nytimes.com/1973/04/10/archives/2-drink-strychnine-at-service-and-die-in-display-of-faith.html

This is not rational. If you take God out of the equation (and many of you are desperate to do this), then there is no standard of what is moral vs. what isn't moral. It's your word against someone else's. As it is, God is real, and He knows way better then humanity which way to live is best. If only he told us that way...oh, wait. He DID.

Man you moderns are to smart. I knew i should have let Saint Anna take out Martian.

Hi God! Please can you revise a new Bible as your last attempt was mortally fallible.

@@birthcertificate7223 I just tell it like it is . Humanity has to decide what to do with it.

@Dd S Jesus where have you been . I think you better get back to earth now they are really screwed up.

He talks about the bible like other books in history, he is so dumb to compare anything else with the bible it is unique it stands alone, it is Holy and everything happens because God is in control, and has nothing to do with how people would react in normal circumstances without Jesus. He is a crap athiest scumbag

Heres a point: lets say someone broke yer window and you go ask 4 neighborhood kids who did it and they not only ALL agree but they tell you the absolute identical story...would you think..ahh! collusion..yep...Now if they all said "about " the same thing but their stories didn't exactly line up...what would you think...maybe they all really saw the same thing but from their own honest point of view. Great point William..keep em comin'

+standswithfist806, Let's go with your example: If one of those kids claimed that an angel came down from heaven with lightning and broke the window, and none of the other kids said so, you'd assume the one kid making the claim was most probably a liar, correct? Why? Because there are lots of examples of liars in real life, and *ZERO* of angels coming down from heaven with lightning and breaking windows. So compare Matthew's empty tomb story to the other gospels. Can you say...liar?

William Guy Thilgen Jr. Neither is there any credibility to your shallow mind

But what happens when you ask them some thirty to ninety years later? The gospels were not written immediately after the event. Nor by the one's whose names were given to that particular book.

William G.Th. ~> Well, the gospels are different takes from different individuals, but I think they more than less, build on each other... If somehow they don't seem too, then there's certainly an explanation!? That said, I assume that you match your pic!?

Please provide example.

And Jerome wrote a post on RU-vid saying anything written in the third person omniscient form is the tell tale sign of fictional writing so this author guesses that Jerome made no such post according to his alleged post but I just made this up and wrote it on someone else’s comment.

like the US Constitution?

@@joehinman1026 We know who wrote the US Constitution, which doesn't contain any absurd supernatural claims about a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth or zombies.

that is utterly stupid. Sepals are narrative that;why they are third person you don't write historical narratve in second person.

Applaud.

😇Repent? No you won't ! Therefore our Holy of holies shall humble you, for you have stolen our Earth and you persist in your madness. Repair His People and He may show you mercy. Look up! There is your just recompense arriving in Glory for the salvation of our souls.

You can't even explain how your conscience works; and you have the audacity to take on religion. Speaking of small minds.

What? Shut up.

Guess you won’t know until you die you can speed up the process with a bullet you know

@@allagatoral3839 Did Jebus miracle your computer into existence, because you wrote "science has never delivered". Shut the fuck up you stupid fucktarded fanatic.

@@jerrytang8684 Shut the fuck up fucktard, you believe fairy tales and probably think that television is magic.

YUP..."well" argued..LOL

Carrier is the man... lots of Christians get their feelings hurt when he challenges their belief in fairy tales

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