Why The Throne Room Scene Was The Worst Fight In ALL of Star Wars

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@MichaelJaeYT 3 года назад

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@ellyellornorawataterdisabl5870 3 года назад

What about Obi one Sykerater.

@markmorris2856 3 года назад

I never understood why Snoke says he can see everything going on in Kilos head. He already knows there is conflict within him aswell. So how did he not see the betrayal coming? Also I thought lightsabre ms turn off when you drop them as you have to pour the force through them to use them so how can you activate some else's from range. In a duel why don't people force turn off their opponents lightsaber when they go to block

@Crazygamer-vw6tj 3 года назад

Witch planet

@MAR-bite1987 2 года назад

You idiot this scene is better why did you think it's worse haters!

@marcosvazquez5912 2 года назад

@MAR poor lost “Star Wars”fanboy, you didn’t even watch the video did you

@Adioslele0_0 3 года назад

Jedi and sith: 7 forms of lightsaber combat Rey and Kylo: swing swing

@snapdragon9300 3 года назад

You can see a lightsaber used better by beatsaber players on youtube 😀

@ultrabigfella 3 года назад

I mean...the forms of combat were lost during The Purge. How would they know them?

@ultrabigfella 3 года назад

@Wes Bradley-Taubner how did he study the past Jedi?

@ultrabigfella 3 года назад

@Wes Bradley-Taubner damn that's actually really cool. It sucks we didn't get to see Luke's Order come to fruition in canon.

@thnzxc 3 года назад

@Itachi Is superior to you Exactly! They may be considered OP, but they at least make sense to why they are.

@messymuffin2356 2 года назад

When the lego version of a fight is better than the actual fight, we have a problem

@Skubasky27 2 года назад

That lego starwars game is one helluva masterpiece too lol

@Aaylias Год назад

Seriously it was so fun in The Skywalker saga!

@murdan6856 Год назад

in deed, even stop motion is better then the new star wars films

@ShenMerrick Год назад

To be fair...they did the General Grievous fight better as well.

@Travelerfrom2024 Год назад

Luckily, it's not

@samrittenhouse2534 Год назад

That frozen blaster moment was in the first minute of the first sequel and is easisly the coolest thing that happened the whole trilogy, i was actually stoked at that point

@DigitDesign 9 месяцев назад

We forget how freaking cool Ren was in the build up to this film. Once he removed his helmet, which should have been a huge moment in the last film, He loses all his cool.

@jeremyarcus-goldberg9543 9 месяцев назад

@@DigitDesign He even has his helmet off twice in the first movie. I couldn't understand that decision.

@miguelpereira9859 8 месяцев назад

Lol the sequels actually peaked in that very first scene

@jeremyarcus-goldberg9543 8 месяцев назад

@@miguelpereira9859 It was undercut very quickly with Poe's joke about the mask. It seemed funny at the time because we thought Kylo Ren would punish him for the wisecrack but he doesn't.

@sprinkle61 6 месяцев назад

My favorite part is right after this throne scene, where Kylo asks Rei to join his 'emo nihilist' side, attack both the new order and the republic, and do their own thing on the ruins. 'Let the past die, kill it if you have to' is probably the most (and only) quotable line in the entire Disney Trilogy, was used to set up this moment, but it goes nowhere, unfortunately

@stephsvids9812 Год назад

It’s really sad seeing my dad a MASSIVE FAN of star wars go from being so excited and non stop talking about Star Wars to just never mentioning it again

@AFree1Month 6 месяцев назад

It's almost like the people behind disney don't have souls or something..

@phonkydude2390 6 месяцев назад

They killed the passion of a father, I'd hope disney is happy

@Ughstopped 5 месяцев назад

Your dad sounds like a bitch. The old star wars movies are full of so much camp but this is what made him give up? Im sure it has nothing to do with his sad life that involved raising you

@theblode1337 24 дня назад

i went into TFA with low expectations and found it enjoyable. had the same low expectations for TLJ based on early impressions. it was even worse than my mega low expectations could have prepared me for. I still haven't watched Ep 9.

@artemisthehunter8360 17 дней назад

@@phonkydude2390 They've got money. I bet they are. Soulless money hoarders

@KevyNova 3 года назад

Not only is this the worst fight in all of Star Wars, but it’s the single *best* scene in The Last Jedi. That’s really saying something.

@orangesoda4535 3 года назад

2nd best scene in TLJ. Best scene is Kylo saying MORE.

@timkilbourn5685 3 года назад

You mean better than taking down a star destroyer with space horses!

@King_Meatier 3 года назад

The only good scene is Luke on the Falcon reuniting with R2. The only moment where I felt like I was watching an actual star wars movie.

@ashcraft257 3 года назад

It wasn’t a good scene the best scene is when anakin saber is going to try and it is not because it looks cool it is just the music doing the work

@faded5886 3 года назад

If it's the best scene in last jedi the other scenes are worse therefore it can't be the worst I agree just saying word it better

@boyacka1260 4 года назад

Fun fact : they had to slow down duel of the fates because the actors were so good it would have looked fake

@boyacka1260 3 года назад

At least for obi wans part

@SardonicJosh 3 года назад

josephthemighty yes they did, it’s a fact

@417Owsy 3 года назад

@josephthemighty yes they did, ewan mcgregor, ray park, and liam neeson practiced and memorized the moves perfectly and moved very fast

@theblaze2294 3 года назад

@josephthemighty yes they actually did

@saihiko9967 3 года назад

Duel of the fates, suffering from success

@k.g.7591 2 года назад

It irritated me that some of these guys’ armor pieces can block light saber beams but Kylo Ren can also stab through them. Like if you could make a whole fight about the fact that they’re wearing beam proof armor alone. There could have been four of them so there would be less spinning and confusion and the fight would be a desperate bid to get the guys’ armor or helmets off

@jtho8937 9 месяцев назад

Yeah, John Wick 3 and 4 showed that you can make interesting fights out of having to work around invulnerable armour.

@AlechiaTheWitch 9 месяцев назад

So moff gideon vs mando

@Fudo94 9 месяцев назад

@@jtho8937it's stupid.

@Zer0Fox_gibbon 8 месяцев назад

That would have been cool. Like, Kylo goes for a gut stab or something, and it turns out the armour is Beskar, so they have to actually get creative in how they dispatch them. But that would have required effort and skill, which was severely lacking in the creation of this scene.

@orange_turtle3412 8 месяцев назад

If you want to enjoy this fight you kinda have to disregard logic and common sense. Nothing that happens in this scene makes any sense.

@marklechman2225 10 месяцев назад

Not a huge prequel fan, but the first few minutes of Obi-Wan and Anakin’s saber fight are absolutely mind-blowing. Props to Hayden and Ewan.

@cheezuschrist 9 месяцев назад

You should give the movies a rewatch especially if you’re a fan of TCW show. The story is 10,000,000x better than the sequel

@oldmonkey7720 9 месяцев назад

i did not liked prequels when they were released...now i thing they were not that bad....actually, they were pretty good...even Jar-Jar....

@mrplimbles7803 9 месяцев назад

Lucas had to tell them to slow down with their moves because they were struggling to capture them, they put heart, soul and sweat into them moments and hats off to them. Say what you want about acting, but they knew how important that fight was for everyone so gave it what it deserved

@chrisking777 9 месяцев назад

The Prequel fights are just dancing. It doesn't look real at all.

@Mojo1356 9 месяцев назад

@@chrisking777well they can do things we normal humans can’t because of their speed and precognition. Of course it doesn’t look real.

@piefearion3663 3 года назад

Maybe they were actually trying to hit them, but they were to dizzy because of all the spinning they were doing.

@awkwardfreak3109 3 года назад

LoL.

@AndreNitroX 3 года назад

This whole fight is so Zanny like there is no logic to it

@mehforreal6954 3 года назад

I'll try spinning that's a good trick

@AndreNitroX 3 года назад

@@mehforreal6954 whats funny is that there is alot of instances in star wars lore where it is pointed out how dumb it is to turn your back while spinning during a lightsaber fight.

@Dragonage2ftw 3 года назад

Cringey.

@joepapa2395 3 года назад

I think what I dislike the most is them swinging swords like baseball bats.

@gaziasker7683 2 года назад

Psssst original trilogy did the exact same thing you know

@dangerdash4393 2 года назад

@@gaziasker7683 Huh? OT is literally based on traditional swordsmanship.

@zerreinatsu2483 2 года назад

@@gaziasker7683 the OT is like a real duel, in PT its flashy, in ST they made it look like lightsabers are fucking heavy

@theemperorofdrifts5854 2 года назад

@@zerreinatsu2483 but the prequels actually showcase how Jedi would fight imo. Fast, like a dance and not comparable with real swordsmanship. Cuz Jedi can predict the future. Especially in the duel between anakin and Obiwan they both knew exactly what the opponent would do cuz they were brothers and fighting and training together for ages. In the OT Luke is nowhere near his prime. Look at legends (which ofcourse is sometimes a bit extreme at how powerful Luke becomes) but it showcases how strong he gets. And Luke was fighting with a lot of emotions. Vs Vader.

@zerreinatsu2483 2 года назад

@@theemperorofdrifts5854 yep, thats what I really like about the prequels, the lightsaber duels

@FittedSheetGaming Год назад

I remember someone said that the guard jumping in at 4:26 was really endearing cause he was tryna save his friend and it adds a lot of depth to that character lol

@FittedSheetGaming Год назад

Welp you ruined that for me too lol

@Helloiamraymond 9 месяцев назад

Why'd you reply to yourself?

@FittedSheetGaming 9 месяцев назад

@@Helloiamraymond I was keeping my extra comment in the replies, cause I didn't wanna flood the comment section. I was meaning that the video ruined that perspective of mine.

@deleteduser122 8 месяцев назад

i mean it seems like a really dope scene at my eyes only that is ejecuted like shit, a royal guard that can stop a lightsaber (who is like the strongest and dangerous hand to hand weapon in Star Wars) with is own hands sounds pretty dope

@orange_turtle3412 8 месяцев назад

I wanna know how his arms could block the lightsaber but Kylo could still stab the last guy through his helmet. You’d think if they were gonna make one part of the armor lightsaber-resistant they would make all of it resistant. Or at least make the parts of the armor protecting vital organs (like the brain) resistant.

@illusionaryheart3325 Год назад

The comparison to little kids intentionally hitting the lightsaber is honestly so accurate.

@Ughstopped 5 месяцев назад

Its almost like one character is a rage filled (*checks notes*) child in a mans body and the other is completely new to lightsaber combat and only used a long baton (a swinging weapon) as her main defense before. Crazy what just 2 seconds of plot analysis does, but i get thats too complicated for people with your brain capacity.

@illusionaryheart3325 5 месяцев назад

@Ughstopped That literally only proves the exact opposite. Why would they hold back and aim for where no one even is anymore if they were rage filled or inexperienced? It's not like they were just missing, they were actively making really strange decisions that don't make sense *especially* considering the rage. Maybe you should do another couple of seconds of thinking before calling someone else stupid. Or has Disney's dick gone so far down your throat you stopped thinking properly? How do their boots taste?

@PoorBoyProductions660 4 месяца назад

@@Ughstopped Then why did snokes highly trained guard lose to them? If you think about the production as a whole and not the plot itself you understand why it sucks

@farrex0 Месяц назад

@@Ughstopped Explaining why it's bad doesn't make it good. If it was intentionally made bad, that doesn't make it good either. it just means it is bad by design and doesn't change the fact that it is bad either way. Also, it doesn't explain why the guard is so terrible. They are supposed to be the best of the best, yet most mistakes come from them. And even then, if you grab a random person, even if you grab a 50 year old person that has never done anything physical their entire life. You give him a lightsaber and he has to fight for his life against that guard... I guarantee you that even this random person, would know they have to attack the actual person and not their weapons. Even the worst of the worst, would know not to attack the weapons. So even if I grant you everything, you are still wrong.

@randomcat2968 3 года назад

Conspiracy theory: snokes guards are random stormtroopers with no training

@ph4ntom_39 3 года назад

Haha

@BruceWayne-fj9bm 3 года назад

Don’t be so insulting. The Stormtrooper, my man TR8R, who whooped Finn’s butt would defeat everyone in that room.

@MrTaylorAries 3 года назад

That would be valid seeing how snoke is not a sith and was just a farce for Sidious to manipulate kylo

@erikdayne5429 3 года назад

The people who wrote the sequel trilogy are random stormtroopers with no training

@tantris2876 3 года назад

I’m not trained in fighting but even I know to aim.

@HankJ666 3 года назад

The best lightsaber fight in the sequel trilogy wasn't even a lightsaber fight, it was Finn vs the "Traitor!" trooper

@branlex1315 2 года назад

Sad and funny at the same time

@yourfriendlyneighborhoodsaiyan 2 года назад

Especially if you watch the edited version where the storm trooper blows finn's head off

@windghost2 2 года назад

Disagree. The best fight in the ST is Finn vs Kylo Ren. Why? Because he was fighting him to protect Rey and in doing so, he was finally facing his main fear of The First Order which is Kylo Ren. In doing so he got injured trying to protect her from him which was noble.

@CTRaptor 2 года назад

The stormtrooper is FN-2199 nicknamed “nines,” Finn’s former friend.

@windghost2 2 года назад

@@CTRaptor I honestly didn't think too much about him when I first saw that scene in theaters 7 years ago. But after I read Before The Awakening by Greg Ruka (REALLY GOOD book on Finn, Rey and Poe's characters; it takes place at least 6 months before the movie. I recommend it.) it became clear to me exactly WHO nines was and it makes sense as too why he's mad at Finn.

@Elysium4 9 месяцев назад

The throne room fight was really weird for me, because on first watching, especially in the theater, it felt incredible and engrossing, and on later rewatches you realize just how watered down it all feels. They make out the Praetorian Guard to be these combat gods who could go toe to toe with Jedi without issue, but they ended up feeling really hollow in retrospect. They're cooler and more interesting design wise than Palpatine's Royal Guard, but their fight scene is just so rife with issues that all it amounts to is ankle deep spectacle with little else to offer.

@GuardianOwl 3 месяца назад

That’s because nearly any movie or TV fight scene you start slowing down to search for seams and cracks in the choreography results in you, duh, finding the seams and cracks in the choreography. You find things like Luke’s fingers peaking out after his hand gets chopped off in ESB. Luke whiffing a kick in ROTJ when fighting on the barge. Darth Maul’s lightsaber switching hands between shots in TPM so that Kenobi doesn’t chop off his own arm when he jumps up at him at the end of the fight. And so on. RJ could have chopped up the fight into pieces with a million quick cuts to remove all the flaws, but he would rather have the flourish of the long takes even if it came out imperfect.

@Elysium4 9 месяцев назад

7:58 Could you imagine how a fight like this would have looked with peak Vader? Just as they assume combat stance each one of them is forcibly frozen and lifted by their throats as Vader nonchalantly turns around, before closing his fist and letting them all drop to the floor, completely lifeless. Cool lightsaber fights can be awesome, but sometimes a display of unmatched force power can do so much more.

@Swiftbow 6 месяцев назад

Well, when I watched this, I thought these dudes were the Knights of Ren. Because those guys had literally never been seen on screen, so who else would they be? But no, they're just random dudes and ultimately just there to kill time. Like everything else in this movie. God, these movies were just made by complete hacks.

@VeryProfessionalGamer Месяц назад

@@Swiftbow I love how they mentioned these guys like once or twice and then NEVER did anything with them. Instead we get casino-planet...

@easternlights3155 2 года назад

All the sequel trilogy fights have the vibe of kids swinging sticks on the playground. Heck, I've had stick fights with higher stakes, because even as kids we'd get emotional sometimes and actually swing to hit.

@ZXPhazze 2 года назад

Rey and Luke literally fought with sticks in one scene. I mean they had the chance to use the coolest weapon of all time and they made one scene with sticks, other scene with Hammil stunt not fighting, the throne room scene with generic energy weapons, and the Knights of Ren vs Kylo with more generic blades. What a waste of our time.

@windghost2 2 года назад

What about Finn vs FN-2199 and Finn vs Kylo Ren? Both of those fights had the high stakes and the weight behind each swing. Finn vs Kylo Ren especially had an emotional weight behind it.

@ZXPhazze 2 года назад

@@windghost2 I agree, Finn facing Kylo Ren out of pure will was the best moment in TFA and I would say my favorite moment in the sequels, it was pathetic the way rian treated him in VIII.

@xSharpW 2 года назад

@@ZXPhazze I agree, Finn was supposed to be an intriguing character. "Whoa a possibly force sensitive storm trooper? That's crazy I can't wait to see how he develops when he recovers from his injuries, I'm sure there'll be a small timeskip between movies." and then nope, Rian rejected everything TFA set up for him in order to "subvert expectations". And then when J.J. went back to finish off the trilogy he had to just work with what Rian had done and it's just sad.

@enlightenmentdoesntcomeeas5337 Год назад

The old lightsaber fights show how deadly and quick they are especially in the PT. Then the ST introduced the baseball bat style of fighting.

@eeeeeertghyjuk 4 года назад

7:07 Rey kicked like three people with one kick

@larry2281 3 года назад

Mary Sue Powers

@revanruler6404 3 года назад

to be fair luke also force kicked a guy during episode 6 (his kick clearly doens't connect to one of jabba's guards hence hte invention of the force kick to fix a mistake)

@billysanderson4921 3 года назад

@@revanruler6404 that was one person tho 😂

@revanruler6404 3 года назад

@@CCLOSPINA the problem is it isn't one small mistake it's a ton of noticeable mistakes also it's a different time we expect better from today's industry

@kota8394 3 года назад

Don’t you know about the force kick? Everyone knows about the force kick we just came up with to make a ridiculous scene make sense..

@vDREEGONv 2 года назад

This fight legitimately makes me mad. It's an absolute disgrace to Star Wars and whoever greenlighted it has a gigantic lack of respect for the franchise. Absolutely unacceptable and disgusting.

@iwontreacttoyourinformatio2029 Год назад

Jeez alright then

@GeneraIGrievous. 11 месяцев назад

agreed

@yoshiki7757 10 месяцев назад

Genuinely get help. If you have this poor of a life perspective (nevermind just being wrong about the scene), you need professional help. But if you're watching content like this, you're probably well beyond any actual help.

@somerandomdude8399 10 месяцев назад

@@yoshiki7757Nah. This fight scene was an insult not only to Star Wars fans but even average movie goers. You being totally fine with absolute shit is not the problem of other commenters. 🤷‍♂️

@yoshiki7757 10 месяцев назад

@@somerandomdude8399 jesus christ I can't imagine being capable of writing out something so pathetic. Just how small is your penis?

@PhliFlaVlog 2 года назад

I would love to talk to one of the vfx people that worked on this scene. Even on the vfx there is stuff wrong like for example: In 7:54 Kylos arm is behind his body, but the lightsaber blade is in front of him. It's hilarious, but there is no way stuff like that gets missed in post, so they probably thought: He needs to have some sort of cover while he gets attacked. "Lets put the blade in front of him even though it makes zero sense. Noone will notice" xD

@wardragon9438 Год назад

Unfortunately it did in this movie

@internetguyperson Год назад

I’ve watched that clip several times now, he is point long his blade in front of his body. His arm being at his side would not interfere with him doing this. I don’t understand what the complaint is here.

@PhliFlaVlog Год назад

The blade looks like he is pointing it in front of his body. In fact he is holding the prop at his side as well. You can see that in the way his hand holds the saber and also considering, that if this was correct he should have cut his leg off.

@SRACHER Год назад

Oh my god really. The amount of VFX issues there are in the prequels is laughable. But you would never mention that would you?

@notevenhuman8141 Год назад

Its a cool optical illusion but you can tell he has it in a reverse grip to begin with

@Gunkyyyy 4 года назад

Jedis concentrate or focus during battle so th- Rey: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

@JesusHasRisen1 3 года назад

"I'll try screaming, that's a good trick!"

@MmAndFriends 3 года назад

“NOW THIS.. will hurt your ears..

@joelfigueredo957 3 года назад

Almost as if she is feeling the pull to the Darkside

@King_of_Calcium 3 года назад

Thinking rather than ahhhhhhhhh a more elegant option for a more civilized age

@ultrabigfella 3 года назад

@@King_of_Calcium what?

@yvancholy7700 4 года назад

1 Imperial Royal Guard: Literally held off an army of 500 Stormtroopers and like 50 AT-STs by himself in the comics. 8 Praetorian Guards (supposedly even more skilled): Beaten by a dessert hobo with no training and a talentless dark Anakin

@ct-117 3 года назад

On the topic of Rey being a desert hobo, why doesn't she look like one? When we first meet her in TFA, she doesn't look at all malnourished or ragged from her years in the desert. Also she's far too trusting for somebody from a dog-eat-dog planet like Jakku.

@rendros88 3 года назад

god you EU nerds are insufferable

@pantherapardus1398 3 года назад

Hey what's that supposed to mean ?

@molalla2546 3 года назад

It means that was if you like the Expanded Universe you are annoying

@goldedrag111 3 года назад

@@molalla2546 Seriously?

@joeker5208 9 месяцев назад

Now you’re just nitpicking. Rey clearly deleted that guard’s weapon with the Force

@elgusaniiiodeljuego6823 5 месяцев назад

She probably sent it somewhere else😅 🤷‍♀️

@jonathanwat8567 Год назад

What happened is Rey is so powerful in the force that she subconsciously used her Jedi mind tricks to trick the guards into spinning pointlessly

@SpaceMonkeyBoi 3 года назад

Imperial Guard: "who are you?" Praetorian Guard: "I'm you but worse in nearly every conceivable way"

@joeyk107 3 года назад

All guards best to worst: Shadow Guards Royal Guards Senate Guards Gamorrean Guards Literally any other type of guard Praetorian Guards

@joshcook6431 2 года назад

@@joeyk107 ooof below Gammorean, that's rough... But true

@michaelarias3310 2 года назад

Praetorian guards are my favorite I don't care if they're weaker than the Royal guards they're still better in my opinion

@michaelarias3310 2 года назад

I hate people saying one f****** royal guard could take down all of those guys I mean yes stop freaking overestimating them

@michaelarias3310 2 года назад

I believe if it was a 1v1 the royal guard would win but I feel like the praetorian would at least put up a fight

@darthmalgus9267 4 года назад

4:10 I used to have these lightsaber fights with my brother when we were younger, it´s actually one of my favorite childhood memories, but now that I think about it, given that we are brothers, we didnt try to hit the lightsaber most of the time, we tried hitting the body and I think that was actually a good choice because the fights felt so much more real, as they more or less were real. Thank you Star Wars for giving us an excuse to beat each other with plastic sticks.

@DraknightDragon 3 года назад

@The Leaprachaun grievous took it

@trollkenobi6727 3 года назад

you mean “Thank you Disney”

@darthmalgus9267 3 года назад

@@trollkenobi6727 No, not Disney, this was before Disney took over.

@basketballplayer82 3 года назад

@@darthmalgus9267 Look at his or her name

@darthmalgus9267 3 года назад

@@basketballplayer82 oh, oh no, I have been tricked

@neo-luddismrules 9 месяцев назад

What I've noticed is that modern Star Wars fights look more like the blades are both going to the same point to meet one another, not to block or attack, but to just meet there.

@juancabardo21 10 месяцев назад

That idea of Kylo freezing the guards in place while he cuts through them with his blade is such a badass thought

@toasttitan3253 2 года назад

I’ve always said that the perfect metaphor for the sequels is Kylo’s helmet in TFA it starts off as a clear imitation but it’s still solid enough to grow into its own identity then TLJ completely shatters any and all plans they may have had to begin with and TROS is forced to pick up the pieces to try and fix it and salvage it but you can clearly see that the damage is already and permanently done

@HufflepuffDaddy 2 года назад

Dude, that's a brilliant metaphor!

@benjaminjane93 2 года назад

Say what you willl about the sequels (I certainly can, they're awful), but Adam Driver carried that whole thing on his surprisingly swole shoulders.

@HufflepuffDaddy 2 года назад

@@benjaminjane93 agreed. As the years go by, Adam Driver's portrayal of Kylo Ren will be recognized as understated genius.

@AchedSphinx 2 года назад

why did they change directors for the last jedi? seems like having the same director for all three movies would have at least made the trilogy more cohesive.

@nickm8874 2 года назад

This narrative is garbage. Im sorry. I enjoyed episode 7 the first time round, also, but it’s very clear now that JJ had no idea where to take any of those “mystery boxes.” Rhian is a hack, but he’s not the only one to blame. Even if JJ had all three movies, he was stilling “LOSTing” us

@brandonhawkins6798 3 года назад

I feel bad for Adam driver, cos he actually a really good actor and although he probably played the most developed character in the squalls.. It was still an angry baby man with a glow stick.. I kinda feel he got delt a real bad hand bc I think he actually played his part really well. He's also really good in other movie so

@laggydim5000 3 года назад

Ah yes, *squalls*

@branlex1315 2 года назад

Same, the actors are not the problem with the sequels, its the horrible plot

@manz7860 2 года назад

Who ever casted him it was a horrible choice. He's too soft looking for me to take him seriously as a villain. At the very least they shouldve made more of a distinction between Ben and kylo

@cadeclark 2 года назад

@@manz7860 that’s the point though he isn’t a villain he’s just trying to be one and his appearance of looking soft aids in the perspective of him trying to be one when everyone knows he’s not and he is good.

@manz7860 2 года назад

@@cadeclark kylo. The dude who's slaughtered helpless villages and killed his own father.....isn't a bad person because he has a pretty boy face? Smh.

@Steel-101 2 года назад

Dude I completely lost it with your description of those plastic light saber toys. “ those things hurt” they did Man, they sure did! lol 😆

@nrcnickc 2 года назад

When Kylo stabs the ground for no reason at 0:37

@jyrlan2596 3 года назад

Isn't there an interview with the stunt coordinator where he basically says that Ridley was too unathletic for him to incorporate anything advanced into her choreography? Compare that to Ewan and Haden who were essentially in peak physical condition and trained for hours every day for their fights? I bet the stunt coordinator's opinion wasn't even consulted during casting

@sriganeshthota4918 3 года назад

they should have used a stunt double if she isnt capable of but instead they opt to ruin lightsaber fights.

@weavercs4014 2 года назад

@@sriganeshthota4918 could just give her a more passive and defensive role in the battle. Hell, even have her thrown around and basically defeated, it would be more realistic to then have an actually trained fighter like kylo save her

@rumit7338 2 года назад

Do you have a link for the interview or remember which outlet postet it?

@filip_pnt_1714 2 года назад

@@weavercs4014 it would, but then u realise that the one who takes care of star wars is a raging retarded feminist who does not understand a the story and turns it in to a huge scale woman power comercial

@JacksonSam 2 года назад

@@weavercs4014 Nah, Kylo be busy impaling the grounds with his lightsaber, they both can barely win the fight without Plot Armor

@RDeathmark 4 года назад

Did anyone ever notice this? Me: *laughs in shadiversity*

@conradmonson30 4 года назад

Shadiversity absolutely murdered this fight scene. That video was great

@williama2349 4 года назад

Shad is great! Somebody get that man a real lightsaber!!!

@RDeathmark 3 года назад

@@rasputin15832 but why?

@RDeathmark 3 года назад

@@rasputin15832 cool, good for you, I strongly disagree, I have no interest in convincing you something you like sucks.

@saltycandy245 3 года назад

@@RDeathmark Huh, I expected things to go South once someone said they liked TLJ, 'grats for not being as immature as other people seem to be

@benofcosmos2029 2 года назад

What could have been a nice alteration in my opinion, that in the scene with Prunehead, that Ben actually killed Rey, which then would set up Bens questioning of his own actions, which by the final film would have resolved in him trying to establish communication with the rebels in ways of helping them taking out Prunehead, which then would become the Rise of "Skywalker"ish. Maybe... It is just an idea I got.

@notevenhuman8141 Год назад

Holy-- that would have been amazing! It would seriously throw the audience off and legitimately throw the Resistance's fate into question instead of the usual mentality of "bad guy winning but good guy have plot armour". Even better point: Rey can't come back as a Force Ghost at that point because Luke never taught her! Would Finn take up the mantle? Would Kylo regret his actions? Would Finn even use the Force, or just a lightsaber and blaster? That would be really interesting if Finn was never a Force user, but just a good fighter and can outsmart Kylo...

@NEEDABETTERNAMEYT 2 года назад

7:12 i was brushing my teeth and spit out the toothpaste all over the place from laughing thank you

@rytlocknroll 3 года назад

This fight makes the Power Ranger fight’s look amazing.

@thorodinson1933 2 года назад

Don’t diss the power rangers‼️

@kreigguardsman3355 2 года назад

Power rangers is actual competent fighters

@rytlocknroll 2 года назад

@@kreigguardsman3355 competent in… making it look like the Rangers were actually striking their targets?

@Randy_kit28 2 года назад

I dont know about you,but i like it (power rangers fight)

@codafett 2 года назад

Don't you dare insult power rangers

@hgun5107 4 года назад

Rey: has a hard time fighting snokes twirling elite guards yoda: just destroys palpatines royal guards instantly with the force yoda: couldn't kill palpatine Rey: kills palpatine with his own lightning *WHAT*

@mysticpuca2109 4 года назад

Mace could have done that

@benny212th4 4 года назад

It’s the bull shit Mary sue

@zzuklaa5699 4 года назад

Exactly. Palpatine got cocky. Rey did nothing but reflect it.

@mysticpuca2109 4 года назад

Leo no but he did reflect his lightning longer then Rey and then he was kinda just like meh I won’t die no more I’m weak anakin help

@jotteredits 4 года назад

@Leo no he didn't let him win its mace's lightsaber combat form that allows him to reflect dark side abilities back onto the user

@FittedSheetGaming Год назад

I can't believe that he expected her to take the first day learning the "training rock" scene but she "picked it up quick" she was fr just moving it back and forth

@channelofmojos2779 9 месяцев назад

The funny thing about the Holdo maneuver is it's insanely reckless. Thanks to the High Republic books we know what happens to ships destroyed in hyperspace. If any of her ship made it I to hyperspace proper then bits of it will be re-emerging in a swath at near light speeds. A metal strut glancing the edge of a planet wiped out a mega city.

@sharko4093 3 года назад

The reason for the Guards' armor's "selective effectiveness" is because apparently they can resist strikes from the side of a lightsaber's blade but not direct stabs.. For some reason

@gnammyhamster9554 3 года назад

To be fair a stab has more piercing power

@sharko4093 3 года назад

@@gnammyhamster9554 Yeah, I'm fairly sure that was the reason they gave for it in some visual dictionary or something.

@beng4ll967 3 года назад

@@gnammyhamster9554 that doesn’t explain shit. If you try to stab someone in full steel armor with a sword, your sword will just slide off

@sharko4093 3 года назад

@@beng4ll967 Yes, but that's metal swords against metal armor. This is a sword made of thousand degree energy against armor made from a fictional material

@sharko4093 3 года назад

@@rainbow_vader As far as I know, it's more of an achievement that they had any lightsaber resistant properties, I'm fairly sure that's a highly rare thing for any material to have, let alone an entire suit of armor

@jonathonmohammed1671 3 года назад

George Lucas poured his heart and soul into his movies. The dueling scenes for Star Wars is part of what makes Star Wars so special and for Disney to f*** it up says alot.

@bliots8369 2 года назад

i wish we got a george lucas sequel so bad just to see where he went with it and how he concluded the most popular movie franchise in cinema history

@GuestGaming88 2 года назад

@@bliots8369 George Lucas actually had a sequel trilogy planned which would be Luke rebuilding the jedi order, the empire has crumbled, maul controlling crime and Leia struggling to take down maul and his crime which would have been so much better(I suck at explaining so just look it up for a better grasp of what it would be)

@bliots8369 2 года назад

@@GuestGaming88 that sounds so cool! I just hate how they brought back Palpatine out of nowhere, essentially disregarding Anakin's sacrifice and the prophecy just to have him be killed by Rey reflecting his own lightning back at him... like how is that more effective than being thrown down a reactor core and exploding?

@GuestGaming88 2 года назад

@@bliots8369 ikr

@sense6552 2 года назад

Bro the last lightsaber battle in episode 2 is awful what are you talking about

@screamingclown25 2 года назад

9:20 it’s forbidden to turn your lightsaber off and back on again during a fight to get an advantage on your enemy. This is a know thing between both Jedi and Sith. The Jedi see it as unsportsmanlike. And the sith see it as being week. They probably don’t even know that though

@burnout3373 2 года назад

I saw a Tiktok about that a few weeks ago, but I am also a complete normie lol

@notevenhuman8141 Год назад

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh not quite. It gets mentioned in the Jedi Path book, which is deemed canon as far as I'm aware

@screamingclown25 Год назад

@@notevenhuman8141 👎

@Goremejy 10 месяцев назад

Who the fuck cares about being “sportsmanlike” when your opponent is trying to kill you?

@izira6351 9 месяцев назад

@@Goremejy people with pride obviously, some people would rather die than break their personal codes

@jamestolbert1856 2 месяца назад

1:31 “Battle of the Heroes”! Literally one of my favourite fights in all of Star Wars! Two brothers who have known each other their whole lives lives only to be driven apart by their own fears and ideologies.

@boomerboi9642 3 года назад

I still to this day believe high ground is the most epic battle yet

@apxtra4649 3 года назад

Fax

@pramukrujirek2810 3 года назад

Yeah 😊

@jonahhumfleet472 2 года назад

Idk Yoda verses dooku is pretty good

@jonahhumfleet472 2 года назад

Idk Yoda v dooku was pretty great lol

@kanpuriyakaaphal 2 года назад

Find someone who doesn't, now that'd be a surprise

@captainrex7261 3 года назад

this scene in a nutshell: "BEYBLADE BEYBLADE LET IT RIP"

@theoriginalman9426 3 года назад

Let's fight, an epic battle

@thefatuiagent8975 3 года назад

good point, it should just be a beyblade battle

@johnnyfroggo7361 3 года назад

Reyblade Reyblade!

@thefatuiagent8975 3 года назад

@@Ethanphetamine No No, hes got a point

@maheerfaisal8242 3 года назад

@@Ethanphetamine you are right

@ntfoperative9432 7 месяцев назад

My best guess for 6:30 is that Daisy was supposed to move to block that hit, but missed her cue, and the dude had an “oh sh*t” moment and quickly corrected to not hit her

@mikeslovak5589 2 года назад

This is the worst fight in star wars The rise of skywalker palpatine fight scene: hold my teleporting lightsaber

@renegadeyoshi341 3 года назад

8:40 "Kylo goes from freezing a blaster bolt in midair to struggling against the 3 blind mice " 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@johnamos7082 4 года назад

Also, wouldn’t the saber have to start behind Snoke when its turned on and then be pulled in front for his whole body to come clean off? There’s no way the saber is the exact thickness of Snokes body and if it started behind him, he would’ve heard it turn on before looking so shocked he’s been stabbed

@ultrabigfella 3 года назад

What?

@johnamos7082 3 года назад

@@ultrabigfella If you watch the part in the movie where Snoke gets cut in half - When the lightsaber is turned on it is in Snokes hand in front of him, for him to have been cut in half the lightsaber would have had to start behind him and be pulled forward unless the lightsaber is the perfect width of Snokes body and somehow was turned on directly in the middle... surely Snoke would have noticed the lightsaber turn on behind him on the arm rest and got off his seat before it got moved forward to cut him in half

@ultrabigfella 3 года назад

@@johnamos7082 I mean, if at least like 50 percent of his body was cut the rest would crumple giving the illusion of it cutting him in half.

@cobussy 3 года назад

I’ve been wondering about that since I watched it, the saber is at most around the middle of snokes body, nowhere near the back. I get it was a cool shot but there was no reason he should’ve been cut in half.

@johnamos7082 3 года назад

@@ultrabigfella He is literally split into two, our bodies aren’t like tree branches they don’t just snap off when a certain percentage of it is cut through, skin is more elastic-like for that 😂

@themodernholmes1735 6 месяцев назад

Still better than the Luke vs Kylo Ren "duel" we got in the movie.

@mikaelgrande6968 Год назад

The spear dude gets me every time, it’s just like, “ah crap I missed, silver AWAY!”

@tophue7051 3 года назад

Disney: you've heard of stormtroopers, but have you heard of *melee stormtroopers* ?

@Henry14arsenal2007 3 года назад

Tbh prequel duels had tons of intentional misses and aiming for the blade, but yeah, they were done in good taste and never were this kind of a dogshit mess.

@randomlygeneratedname 3 года назад

Theres intentional missing then theres actors missing there timing forcing others to intentionally miss

@maxmcvey8425 3 года назад

Also a LOT of the techniques in the prequels are actually practical Shadaversity breaksdown Anakin vs Obi-Wan and goes into detail plus yknow there was the lightsaber fighting techniques. And the fights are so fast and well done you cant even tell

@danielboyle1647 3 года назад

@@maxmcvey8425 he broke down this fight as well and basically went into much more detail though this video said exactly what he said but 5x quicker

@BruceWayne-fj9bm 3 года назад

Lightsaber fighting has actual forms. For example Obi-Wan and Anakin both standing each other spinning their blades, purposefully missing each other was lightsaber form combat looking for openings.

@albedo5455 3 года назад

@Jon Yeah the fight is wonky but that can be attributed to Vader and Obi-Wan being old men who can't do flips and being the first movie in the saga. TLJ has no excuse since they've had 40 years to improve the duels. Instead, we get the worst aspects of the originals and the prequels. Edit: Also, your comment is literally whataboutism, a logical fallacy.

@robertcollinsworth9113 5 месяцев назад

I can't see any scene with an imperial guard without, "Hey, Crayola!" going through my head. Thanks Adult Swim!

@achillesthesnek4892 Год назад

5:56 Am I the only one who came back here for every guard that you could see?

@berryhops 3 года назад

Imagine if they retcon this, some random unknown jedi in the background was actually toying with the guards while they were fighting without them knowing

@gnammyhamster9554 3 года назад

It wasn't a random jedi, it was Darth Jar Jar

@lisaruhm6681 3 года назад

Or retcon it, to be Lukes doing...

@goldedrag111 3 года назад

Anakin vs Obi-Wan is the best duel.

@stefanlaskowski6660 3 года назад

It was too long and lacked tension since we already knew Obi-Wan won.

@Austique-_- 3 года назад

@@stefanlaskowski6660 that’s what made it prefect mostly all the battles only last like 3 minutes this lasted almost 10

@Austique-_- 3 года назад

@@stefanlaskowski6660 besides it switching to yoda and papltine then back to anakin and obi wan was just so good

@joeyk107 3 года назад

Luke vs vader in rotj is the best imo

@goldedrag111 3 года назад

@@joeyk107 Emotionally? Maybe.

@iceman10129 Год назад

"Why does Snoke need guards with melee weapons" (Pulp Fiction lost gif/meme). Ohhhhhh he didn't see the original trilogy. This makes more sense now.

@Rounderyathecruel Год назад

The royal guards had blasters as well

@markc9847 8 месяцев назад

I learned at a young age, that when the Hero is outnumbered in a fight, the enemies will run in and out and in circles to make it look like everyone is attacking. This was done a lot in Power Rangers. I am glad that I came across this video, bc although this is true they could of done a much better job of cleaning it up or doing more retakes.

@jacearmor5274 2 года назад

6:35 He didn't just swing and miss, he literally stopped one of the other guards' weapon. As someone who wants to learn swordfighting, this is depressing. Edit, nevermind he brought it up.

@samrittenhouse2534 Год назад

Lol I know nothing about propee sword fighting but pretty sure they hired expert sword fighters for phantom menace. Yeah these battles literally do seem like *kid battles where you just smack each other's weapons, he's so right.

@theretarbconsultant5469 3 года назад

Throne Scene: **Flopped** Luke’s Hallway Scene: *So anyways…I started shitting on the sequels*

@rafaelc.c. 3 года назад

It has kinda the same mistakes. Djarin against the death droids and against Esposito's character are bad choreographed battles too. It seems they never learn. Well, TCW season 7 (and the few battles Rebels had) did really well.

@JamesTobiasStewart 3 года назад

@@rafaelc.c. I didn't mind that as much, because the wild swinging Gideon used was logical for his character, he's a Moff not a Sith and is using raw aggression to compensate for a lack of skill.

@aytony4090 3 года назад

That last episode is shit anyways. Only good part was Luke taking the kid away so the abysmal show would finally come to an end. I will give it one thing though. The greatest laugh I've ever had was when Boba put that armor on and it only reached like halfway over his gut. Even the actor couldn't give a crap to get in shape.

@rafaelc.c. 3 года назад

@@aytony4090 Right.

@user-vy7xo8kg8d 3 года назад

@@aytony4090 Did anyone ask?

@jasonandkathleenbarker6306 Год назад

This movie lost me when Luke milked the space cow and then it looked over at Rey and was like "you want some of this?".

@cadefallon9854 2 года назад

There’s also a part right near the disappearing blade where Rey is holding back they guys arm. She lets go to catch the saber she dropped but the guards knife doesn’t go right into her face like it should have.

@serphosi 3 года назад

6:34 Daisy Ridley missed her cue, she was supposed to be already ducking and the guy didn't wanna whack her upside the head.

@noob-mn1wd 3 года назад

And they said...this actors actresses are NOT bad...

@fabi3790 2 года назад

@@noob-mn1wd mistakes can happen More shit is that they didn't redo it when someone fuckes up a bit

@PiperAtTheGatesOfYourMom 2 года назад

Sheesh, THAT is the worst one. My god… there was 0 Quality Control for these movies 😂

@EroSennin404 2 года назад

A stormtrooper noticed this... and they miss everything ... (heh)

@Imhungry36 2 года назад

WHY DIDN'T THEY DO ANOTHER TAKE!?

@TheEmc2000 4 года назад

I knew this fight scene had complete fuck ups and mistakes that were missed but by god I didn’t know it was this bad

@augustwest9727 Месяц назад

Leslie Headlamp said; " Hold my Beer.".

@BustThatNutChallenge 2 года назад

The scene with the sovereign protectors in episode 9 is even worse like you got guard shooting the ceiling for no reason lol

@empress9554 3 года назад

Visually, very cool 10/10, detail wise however 0/10 it’s the worst.

@gangstamuffiin2630 3 года назад

exactly.

@FerunaLutelou 3 года назад

The colors, effects and music are great, but thats the only good things that can be said about this scene.

@camulodunon 3 года назад

@@FerunaLutelou I think the only really big problem is the terrible, plot-armor-infused choreography. But that one problem ends up making the entire scene look laughable once you are aware of it.

@filipkolasny908 3 года назад

That's basically the only thing that the sequels have, amazing visuals and cinematography

@twitterybug7169 3 года назад

Just like the Darth Maul fight in Ep. I

@elitegamer9310 3 года назад

When I first saw this scene, I was too busy thinking "why did they kill off Snoke?", than to pay attention to this fight.

@windghost2 3 года назад

I was mad Snoke was killed off so early in TLJ. I wanted to know more about him and see what would happen with him in Episode 9. Guess we’ll never know....

@citizenvulpes4562 3 года назад

@@windghost2 we do know, he was a failed clone of palps that palps used to rule the first order while he recovered in another clone body.

@windghost2 3 года назад

@@citizenvulpes4562 Sorry should've clarified. I was mad that he was killed off in TLJ and then I got even angrier when it was revealed that he was a clone of Palps in TROS. Like there were books talking about how powerful and crazy evil this dude was for like 2 years before episode 8, then he's killed in TLJ and THEN he's a damn clone of DJ Palpy! Like I wanted him to be a new character someone we didn't know and someone we would learn more about in the next two movies, I was honestly disappointed that we never got that.

@markwilson4686 3 года назад

@@windghost2 actually it's worse than that. There's apparently a new comic in which it's heavily implied that Snoke is a clone made from Luke's hand, and that's the least worse reveal in the comic.

@windghost2 3 года назад

@@markwilson4686 Are you serious? What the hell?! That’s terrible!

@Cloperella 9 месяцев назад

10:15 You forgot to mention the best part. The guy who lost his left weapon is using his right weapon to try and cut her neck, which she's holding back by gripping his wrist. She gets the clever idea to let go of the lightsaber so she can drop and catch it, but that means the guy just *let her do it* . He for no reason stopped trying to slice her throat, and instead just kind of let go and watched her drop, only for her to catch her lightsaber and cut him.

@cinful1 Год назад

All these years later and I’ll still never get over Rey force summoning and wounding Kylo on her first outing with a lightsaber she was never trained to use.

@omicron2018 9 месяцев назад

Exactly! Rey was ridiculously overpowered, considering her lack of training. But Kylo Ren - trained since he was a child by Luke Skywalker himself - looked only slightly more adept with a lightsaber than Mando.

@cinful1 9 месяцев назад

@@omicron2018 yes. Trained, yet has an unstable saber and swings wildly like he's wielding a chainsaw

@andycopeland7051 2 года назад

Episode II Count Dooku V Obi-Wan & Anakin was a really cool fight--my favorite part was when Anakin takes Kenobi's saber for a little two-handed action. Wish that had lasted longer

@mitocorleone4845 2 года назад

Way too short. The best part of the sequence was the Yoda fight but even that was short.

@andycopeland7051 2 года назад

@@mitocorleone4845 indeed! God bless ya

@amethystglare 2 года назад

That fight looked goofy as hell! It was just twirling their sabers around in the dark!

@nmwk7800 2 года назад

@@amethystglare nah man I have just recently seen an analysis by a professional sword fighter and expert and he actually claimed that the fight and also this around swinging is pretty realistic.

@ezekielalimpia3048 Год назад

Yess i loved that fight

@afroturtle989 3 года назад

Yoda: there are 7 forms of lightsaber combat Rey: bottom of ninth, down 3, full count here’s the pitch SWING

@thorodinson1933 2 года назад

Yoda-900 years old and grand master of the Jedi at peak Rey- JUST started

@Mythmeister 2 года назад

@@thorodinson1933 I did better with a stick bro

@dangerdash4393 2 года назад

@@thorodinson1933 Also Rey: Takes down trained dark Jedi DAY ONE. Takes down trained Jedi killers a few days later.

@thorodinson1933 2 года назад

@@dangerdash4393 technically speaking chewie took kylo down. If Chewie doesn’t shoot kylo, kylo isn’t injured and if kylo isn’t injured Rey gets taken out. Not killed because he wanted her and so did snoke. And are you talking about the guard fight? They’re background characters going against the main characters do you really think they’re going to win? I mean cmon

@dangerdash4393 2 года назад

@@thorodinson1933 Ren's injury doesn't really hold up though, he takes Finn down with ease, pretty much bored throughout most of the fight. It's the closest he's ever gotten to being like Vader. And he never really loses stamina in dealing with either his or Rey. It's like midway through the fight with Rey, they remember that he's supposed to be seriously injured and struggling to hold himself together. I expected there to be an actual fight. These guys are a far cry from what Ren says about them in the novelization. These guys are supposed to be the biggest threat, and they're mowed down so easily by an unstable dark Jedi and a wannabe baseball player.

@josuevalladares6488 2 года назад

The part about the lightsaber being big, I remember somewhere in the ROTS book where it talks about Saber adjustment, where you can tune the size of the Saber coming our of the hilt.

@ZayJayPlays Год назад

"I'm the worst Lightsaber fight in Star Wars." The Golak Bandits: "Hold my beer."

@ElMofo9 2 года назад

The fight scene was the only part of the movie that I liked, then I decided to rewatch the scene while focusing on each character... I will never be able to unsee that monstrosity

@TheTrytix 3 года назад

After having watched Shadiversity's take on both the throne room scene and the Mustafar fight, it's SOOO clear that the fight from Episode 8 was amazingly STUPID. Shad's probably an expert when it comes to sword fighting, and he saw SOOO many flaws with the Throne Room Fight, while getting blown away by how well done the Mustafar fight was choreographed. And seeing this just tells me the same thing. Sure, the choreographer they used for Episode 8 might have been good at his job and all, but they simply did not have the time. Episode 8 was literally put together in a single year because of Bob Iger. And Rian Johnson, who technically is a good director, does not seem to play well with others, and wanted SOOO badly to write SOME form of end to HIS story, that he wrote Star Wars into a corner. Contrasting this is Episode 3. It was Directed by George Lucas himself, who made sure the story would fit well into the Original trilogy, and follow the rules of Star Wars etc. Making us love characters such as Obi-Wan and Palpatine even more than we already did. And that movie was made over several years. The results are clear as crystal. Making a big block buster movie in a single year is a bad idea. YOU HEAR ME, BOB IGER?!? IT'S A BAD IDEA!!!

@xblgamerftw 2 года назад

hello there. nice to see another shad fan on the web! :D

@TheTrytix 2 года назад

@@xblgamerftw Hey, Shad's fun to look at with his castle breakdowns and pop-culture weapon analysises. ^^

@thorodinson1933 2 года назад

There was an expert in I believe sword fighting on IGN and he watched the sequel fights and said the episode 8 fight looked cool and some of the fighting was well done. People have different opinions, every expert can have difference of opinion because really all this is is people waving a laser sword around. Yes the prequels had training that was intense, the OT had heavy hilts according to mark and OT George wanted a different fighting style, the sequels couldn’t fight like Jedi in the PT because that’s unrealistic because only Luke could teach them combat and he didn’t fight like prequel Jedi. The sequels should’ve fleshed the story out more and taken more time. The fights aren’t nearly as bad as people make it seem, especially when they slow down the fight for some reason to over analyze one split second thing no one would notice otherwise unless you slowed the movie down and looked for mistakes

@bustanut5501 2 года назад

I don't think it was because of Iger that the movie was filmed in one year. It was actually because Rian was just done with it in one year. That's certainly possible, considering he did not rewrite anything in his initial script. Yes, this entire movie is based on Rian's first draft. Nothing was changed.

@gonhunter3994 2 года назад

@@thorodinson1933 You're really dumb, if you truly think that the ign dude was being honest

@batredingin 7 месяцев назад

Now I'm convinced that the guards are forced to put into a helmet that they can't even see through it

@SavouryGalette 2 месяца назад

The fact that two of the guards literally _fight each other_ in the initial wide shot really says it all.

@yujabes 3 года назад

7:03 Everybody runs away from Rey...wtf🤣

@greenblood6186 3 года назад

xDDD

@tantris2876 3 года назад

You can’t fight Rey Sue

@pengsarkashandal5814 3 года назад

If they hurt her, the whole feminist will angry 😡😡

@katzekii5715 2 года назад

Supposedly, the stuntmen kept having to compensate for missed cues and missed timings, so they kept twirling and others to try keep time with cues that were hit. I believe one of the Stuntmen react with the Corridor Crew covers this.

@demi-femme4821 2 года назад

What the fuck? Literally full of errors and Rian was just like "Yeah, we'll keep that one. It's not like this is a franchise known for its massive, fiercely loyal, and detail-obsessesed fanbase. Nobody will notice."

@kyleharding7040 Год назад

@@demi-femme4821 I'm pretty sure Johnson is on record saying that he worked hard on and was proud of this fight scene.

@revanruler6404 Год назад

Yeah the whole " it took them 25 takes so it should be perfect" shows how little he knows about fight choreography, 25 takes is less than à day of shooting iirc Jackie chan had simpler scènes with fewer actors and better trained main actors and it still took months to do one fight scene. 25 takes for such à complex fight might as well be one take

@rowanb4395 Год назад

@@revanruler6404 Cut together from 25 takes as we can see in what made it to the screen

@bencrispin3295 Год назад

Turning on and off the lightsaber was considered dishonourable for the jedi

@sothisishowusernameswork.2043 Год назад

Maybe rey didn't know that so she could've anyways.

@bencrispin3295 Год назад

@@sothisishowusernameswork.2043 good point

@sothisishowusernameswork.2043 Год назад

@@bencrispin3295 Yea, she did just pick up the lightsaber a few days ago.

@chocofro3 16 дней назад

7:58 This has been my complaint for YEARS. There have been so many Jedi across all Star Wars media that were put in life-or-death situations and didn't use the force once. And surprise, they died. Even more frustratingly, against non-force users. Honestly order 66 doesn't make a whole lot of sense after several games have shown that force users can knock down entire rooms or fields of clones with the force. The force being unregulated and have no consequences makes it as infuriating as speedsters losing to slower villains.

@shadowking9739 3 года назад

I've trained in sword-fighting (particularly German fencing) and TLJ throne room fight is just laughable to me. The characters treat their lightsabers (which are laser-SWORDS) like clubs and just swing them around while hoping that they hit something. People like to simplify sword-fighting but there's actually a lot of stances and footwork involved.

@dangerdash4393 3 года назад

I've heard that Luke's flurry of swings at the end of RotJ is actually based on German Longswordsmanship, even using a key stance as he's pushing up on Vader. Is there any truth to this?

@shadowking9739 3 года назад

@@dangerdash4393 It's been awhile since I last saw RotJ but I do recall seeing Luke using what is known as "Vom Tach" ("from the roof") and "Ochs" ("ox"), both of which are stances/attacks in German fencing.

@stephanlasley5781 2 года назад

@@shadowking9739 not to mention that in light saber combat the best way to use a light ehem SABER is exactly like a SABER. There’s no point in using heavy strikes really as it’s not really damaging the blades effectiveness nor is it making the cut on the opponent more effective. If you drop a saber on top of someone’s head it’ll go right through them with no effort whatsoever. Where as a normal blade, taking a light hit to the knuckles isn’t the end of the world but certainly painful, in light saber combat that’s the loss of your fingers.

@shadowking9739 2 года назад

@@stephanlasley5781 Excellent points!

@glens2019 2 года назад

And the handling is largely different given all the weight of a lightsaber is just the handle and yet they swing them like heavy bats.

@MrSamoMD 2 года назад

9:33 not only the guard drops his weapon, the other 2 guys leave Kilo and go away rather than strike a clear blow while kylo kills the guard

@jabrark5828 Месяц назад

I could've done without the life story in the beginning, but everything else was a blast. 🙌🏼

@O1OO1O1 Год назад

Also, why isn't that Kylo's lightsaber can pier straight through their armor, but when they had one of their weapons touching the armor it only sparks and doesn't cut through it, but that weapon is showing also to be able to match a lightsaber and wrap around it?

@ambermueller2327 3 года назад

Normal Jedi:using the force and different lightsaber forms Rey and Ben Swolo: Swing Swong back and forth like a Ping Pong

@emptylanternmedia2248 2 года назад

The biggest problem with this fight is everyone is aiming to for their opponents weapon instead of striking to kill and at the worst of times they aim above their opponent ... ive seen fan films with better choreography ryan vs dorkman 2 ring a bell

@Daniel_Huffman Год назад

Speaking of which, this film totally stole the lightsaber tug-of-war from the first RvD.

@foxhoundslug 8 месяцев назад

but the phantom menace fights are the same way. and in fact, unless you want to maime your actors when they're fighting, that's actully what you should do

@Tamachii12 7 месяцев назад

@@foxhoundslug A hint, they aren't, don't compare the PM fights with this crap.

@vaadwilsla858 6 месяцев назад

Bruh at the start the guards in the back are just standing in their place doing stupid flips and spins. That's a level of retardedness I thought we'd never see in this franchise.

@nicholasmaione5694 Год назад

Omg what a great breakdown. I love how you picked this apart. I knew something was wrong with it visually but in slow motion I can see it didn’t look right because it didn’t make any sense

@mattlawson714 2 месяца назад

It’s a real shame because Adam driver is ex military, he has the dedication and physical capabilities to learn really complicated choreography. And Daisy Ridley is young and not fat she could be taught this stuff too.

@Irreverent_Radiation 3 года назад

*Rey used Block* _Guard uses spiny stab_ It's highly ineffective! *Rey uses double attack* _Guard uses spiny slash_ He hit his own friend! _Rey stabs the floor_ *Guard has spun away* You won! 30xp

@dapoox2622 3 года назад

This fight scene was a pretty damn good idea, and those guards look sick as hell, but it was executed horribly, rey kicks 3 people somehow, the guards spin around for no reason, the guards completely miss all their swings, and a weapon is literally edited out, and I guess rain forgot that Rey and Kylo can use the force because they don't use it once in this fight scene

@thorodinson1933 2 года назад

Maybe she force kicked three of them at the same time like the excuse they gave Luke when there was an error in his fight

@dapoox2622 2 года назад

@@thorodinson1933 they are both issues, a force kick is a dumb excuse for both of them

@thorodinson1933 2 года назад

@@dapoox2622 a force kick is just dumb in general lmao

@dapoox2622 2 года назад

@@thorodinson1933 of course it is, doesn't make much sense

@thorodinson1933 2 года назад

@@dapoox2622 but I do believe that with Star Wars you have to let go of logic sometimes if you focus too much on certain things it can kinda ruin something that otherwise is pretty good imo

@braylenozeletele1367 Год назад

No because when the fight started, it looked like the guards were just fighting each other 😭

@MaxwellAerialPhotography 9 месяцев назад

Went to private daycare when I was a kid. The kids of the woman who ran were close to my brother and I in age, and were also massive start wars fans, so we started a little jedi lightsaber academy. We did not hold back with those plastic lightsabers, we beaned the crap out of each other. Parents just got used to their kids coming home from that daycare with lightsaber blade shaped bruises on their hands arms and legs. One of the best parts of my childhood.

@Longshanks1690 4 года назад

Shadversity: You are strong and wise, Michael, and I am very proud of you.

@masterofraw1175 4 года назад

don't forget Darth mauler the wise

@DanakarEndeel 3 года назад

During that throneroom fight that guy you focused on was supposed to swing while Rey was supposed to duck. However, Daisy Ridley apparently/allegedly forgot to duck until a few seconds later so he had to raise his weapon so as not to hit her. However, instead of Daisy forgetting to duck it could also be that the red guard was ahead of the scene by 2s and was too early to strike so he had to swing higher and miss. You can clearly see Rey ducking to avoid a weapon that's not there. She was supposed to duck that swing. But yeah, I blame the director and stunt coordinator. The director should have said "CUT!" and reset the fight while the stunt coordinator should have instructed the actors on proper timing again. Another issue with the red guy who had those two knives. They just edited the other knife out in post because otherwise he would have been in the perfect spot to just stab Rey in the back.

@katrinapaton5283 2 года назад

See, the problem was they wanted to do as much of the fight with as few cuts as possible. That's damn hard because it requires everyone to be spot on for extended periods of time. Sure, they could have chopped and changed, used stunt doubles and all the rest. But this way you get to see faces, the audience relates to the characters more and the scene should have more impact. Sure, if you want to slow it down to two frames per second you'll get to see all the little mistakes, like the mistimed attack you mention, but at normal speed most people will see what you want them to see.

@deathsinger1192 2 года назад

@@katrinapaton5283 but, come on, the out-edited knife is a no-go, thats ridiculous!

@katrinapaton5283 2 года назад

@@deathsinger1192 Yea ok, hard to argye with that.

@bonzwah1 2 года назад

@@katrinapaton5283 everyone I've talked to said this fight scene sucked. You won't notice EVERY mistake at normal speed...but it's almost impossible to miss all of them, and then BOOM you're out of the scene. The frame by frame analysis isn't where the scene falls apart...it's just necessary to see exactly WHY it falls apart.

@jeremyarcus-goldberg9543 9 месяцев назад

9:55 Great chance to see a limb cut off. It is a strange fact of the ST that there are no limbs cut off. That is a pretty strong part of the story of heroes and villains in the OT and PT.