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Will A Textile Motorbike Jacket Protect Me In A Crash? 

Robert Menzies
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Hi All, In this video I talk about my motorcycle jacket (s) and discussed the CE certification looking at Shoulder, Elbow and back armour, material abrasion resistance resulting in the protection you could receive in a crash.
The 3 jackets I show are:-
RST Tractech evo 3 textile jacket
RST Pro Series One Piece Leathers
Helite GP Airbag Vest
RST Tractech Evo R Leather Jacket
TIMESTAMPS:
Intro : 00:00​
The RST Tractech evo 3 textile jacket: 00:45
Getting to know the CE Standards: 02:20
The RST Pro Series One Piece Leathers: 08:10
Higher abrasion resistance categories: 09:10
Helite GP Airbag Vest: 10:40
RST Tractech Evo R Leather Jacket: 11:29
Summary and close: 13:42
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Recorded on a GoPro Hero 5 Black
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"Killers" by Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
License: CC BY (creativecommons.org/licenses/b...)
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@ayserides
@ayserides Год назад
This is a really insightful video. Thanks for taking the time to explain the testing and standards
@robertmenzies6939
@robertmenzies6939 Год назад
Glad that you enjoyed it and thanks for the kind words.
@fo1068
@fo1068 2 года назад
Just what I need as I'm looking on new gear. Top information, nice one!
@robertmenzies6939
@robertmenzies6939 2 года назад
Thanks glad that it helped 😎💁🏻‍♂️
@kirkdunn1379
@kirkdunn1379 Год назад
here in america and southern california even street riding in town can exceed 60 mph easily......many many major highways are 55mph zones....and of course traffic never goes speed limit........our streets are 45-65 and freeways are 65-90 mph zones,,,obviously on a bike easy to go past those numbers.......i would probably feel better in leather pants and high level 2 jacket even textile vs opposite.....lower half will eat more slide time than upper half most of the time......just got A stars track V2 pants and will get celer jacket to use in place of faster airflow jacket have......1 pc suit will be RST
@user-sw2lv3zp6o
@user-sw2lv3zp6o 2 года назад
RST gear is brilliant. My favourite brand.
@robertmenzies6939
@robertmenzies6939 2 года назад
I agree my favourite as well
@martinfoster5163
@martinfoster5163 2 года назад
Great video. I agree with the levels of protection. I'm also a fan of RST. They offer great protection at affordable prices and I own several of their leather products. The EN17092 is a rubber-stamp standard largely introduced so lightweight textiles would have a chance of passing. It's an example of regulatory capture by heavy hitters in the industry (Dainese, Alpinestars etc). However, there is a higher standard which will end in September 2022. EN 13595 but this will be replaced in the UK with the BS 13595 probably around early 2023. The reason being that scientists and UK police forces aren't convinced that EN17092 is sufficiently rigorous. They are correct. AAA would be around level 0 in EN 13595 terms, but there are levels 1 and 2, maybe 3 in the future for BS 13595. EN17092 is not a suitable test of leathers so you'll find gear from some companies still using EN 13595. EN 17092 is fundamentally flawed, particularly the abrasion test. Here's why: There is no impact at all. The sample weighs 3.5kg (too light) and is "dropped" from 10mm (3/8"). That is not a realistic drop height. 1 metre would be more appropriate since most unsuitable clothing fails on impact then the holes just get bigger during a slide. EN 13595 is slightly better but not by much. The drop weight is 5kg from 50mm (2"). The original scientist who developed the Cambridge impact abrasion machine suggested 1 metre drop for zones 1 and 2 (high risk) and 50mm for zones 3 and 4 (medium to low risk). The concrete surface has a low coefficient of friction (0.52) with cotton canvas reference material. The concrete is polished with aluminium rollers to achieve this quite smooth surface. How many UK roads are concrete? I doubt very many at all. I did some coefficient of friction tests on a variety of surfaces (asphalt of different states of wear and concrete) using cotton canvas reference fabric. The ranges were 0.65 to 0.8. In other words, much more abrasive. The Cambridge machine used for garments, gloves and boots uses a sandpaper belt (OP60 for garments and boots, OP120 for gloves) calibrated to be equivalent to a top dressed road (chip and seal) or asphalt for gloves. This is a much nastier surface. Would you rather your kit be tested on a best case surface (polished concrete) or a worst case (chip and seal)? Finally, the test ends and a sample passes or fails. There's no indication of how well it passes or fails. They don't know when it failed. They don't know how well it passed. It's useless for R&D or relative abrasion assessment. The Cambridge machine will go until the sample fails giving a very useful relative abrasion performance. I conduct research on motorcycle PPE, mainly drop testing on actual roads, as an independent researcher. It's just for education. My tests are meant to mimic a real accident, rather than a relative abrasion test (Cambridge). I drop test 5kg samples from 1 metre onto medium asphalt at 45km/h then slide to a stop in about 18 metres. I found that textiles in single layers fail immediately or shortly after impact. Anything with a second layer (could be a second layer of the same material, 3d mesh or aramid) usually improved the performance by 4-10x. In any case, most combinations didn't survive one drop without holing all the way through. Some survived 2-3 drops and slides usually samples with a 2nd layer. The best performer by far was 2 layers of competition grade cowhide (1.4mm or thicker) which survived 10-11 drops and a total accumulated slide distance of 200 metres. One was still intact after 11 drops and the 2nd layer was barely scuffed. I couldn't kill it and ran out of time. My take is textiles will only protect you where there is armour. The armour is incredibly impact abrasion resistant. So even if the outer layers fail (which they probably will), the armour will NOT wear through unless you have a freak accident. I tested a few pieces of armour (D30 and SAS-TEC level 2 pieces) to destruction AFTER the fabric had failed (Dyneema denim). They went another 200 metres on asphalt. Also, those plastic caps/cups on shoulders and elbows are extremely impact / abrasion resistant. So if you do get a textile jacket, try to pick one with TPU caps/cups AND a full suite of level 2 armour. The jacket may still be unusable after a fall but you'll probably be okay. I realise I'm quite anonymous so I suggest you check other sources. The most reliable one is motocap.com.au/ which gives safety results for many brands, including the most common ones. RST gear ranges from poor to excellent, depending on material type. You can safely ignore the EN17092 levels because they are fairly useless for buyers.
@robertmenzies6939
@robertmenzies6939 2 года назад
Martin…. WOW thanks for the information this is super helpful to understand the future had not realised the regulations are changing. Thanks so much for putting all the time and effort into the above comment appreciated 👍
@martinfoster5163
@martinfoster5163 Год назад
@@pamvarnsverry2444 Satra just tests with the protocols given to them. They do EN13595 and EN17092 testing and will do BS13595 if it becomes a reality. EN17092 (Darmstadt machine) just passes or fails so it's not useful. The Cambridge test will give a slide time, by multiplying by 8 you'll get a slide distance which is more useful in my opinion. Who knows how long their fall and slide/tumble lasted? Whereas you probably have a good idea of how far you slid/tumbled. Unfortunately, SATRA don't make the slide time results public. However, a manufacturer can tell you their results if they want. Usually they prefer not to. Some will. These should match MOTOCAP's results because they use the same protocol and machine. MOTOCAP uses the EN13595 protocol. What I'm trying to do is to get a drop and slide test with a realistic fall. Sliding is actually not as damaging to materials as impacting. That should be common sense. When you fall, the moment of impact imparts massive stresses to materials during a "grab" phase. This is usually when materials fail in the real world. The slide just gently abrades with good materials or makes a hole caused by impact larger. Why impact is ignored is beyond me. Some riders may not slide at all but they generally fall from a seated height, right? In my own drop test of almost every fabric, textiles failed quicker and 1.4mm-1.6mm cowhide just laughed off the impact and slid and abraded gradually. Most textiles failed on impact or failed at 2-4 metres. Les than a car length. Double cowhide went 200 meters plus with multiple impacts. Up to 11 impacts with the best.
@kirkdunn1379
@kirkdunn1379 Год назад
RST is awesome.....and they didnt set up the certification they just abide by it......this is only for a slide god help you if go in the air or hit something..if your going farther than the grocery store down the street buy leather...,,2pc or 1pc and air bag ... just completed a 2 pc and upgraded all the armor and included extra.....i see these dudes on sport bikes on you tube going on open highways or freeways pushing stupid speeds with t shirts and jeans.....there are tons of em and its only a matter of time although @ 180 mph not sure anything will work, but i actually like my skin so leather it is
@robertmenzies6939
@robertmenzies6939 Год назад
Fully agree
@A11ium
@A11ium 2 года назад
Thanks for this! And wth... I thought lowest level was for road and highest was for competition. So none of my clothes are OK for highway speeds. And all the gear that is that I found so far is leather. I really do not want to look like a power ranger. Expensive power ranger. Now I need to search for real life accidents and see how the regular A gear really holds up.
@A11ium
@A11ium 2 года назад
Looking at reports(pictures) from crashes at MC gear hub textile and jeans with protectors inside do seem to work good tho. Maybe test machine is under heavy load?
@robertmenzies6939
@robertmenzies6939 2 года назад
Glad you found this helpful, I assume every accident is different but personally I want to have the highest rating protection possible. Personally was disappointed to find out my Textile jacket was offering very little protection (not to say that other textile jackets would not offer more) just wanted to make this video to raise awareness, hope it helped with your future shopping 😎💁🏻‍♂️
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