We fire up an 82 year old AEC Matador in a cold start and then try the same on another Matador engine in an old start attempt without much success ! This is a classic old start cold start no start !
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The old fella bought an ex army Matador after the war when he came back from Burma. And it was used on farm for all sorts. Tuesday was market day and he’d take us to school in the lorry as a treat in the 60’s
Great to see people who are restoring proper British engineering,, man here in northern Ireland has a few old trucks,, restored a scammel explorer 6x6 tank recovery,truck 10,5 litre rolls royce petrol,,,, liking this channel,, ☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️🚚🚚🚚🚚
No. Easy Start/Ether can be used to start a good engine in cold conditions with no issues. It's when folk neglect and overlook underlying issues and rely on Ether as an easy fix that things deteriorate.
Dear Sir, regarding starting on ether & so called damage, in the 1980s I drove a Seddon Atkinson 400 I think it had a Cummins 250? it was almost new & came from the factory with an ether cold start fitted, a screw type canister under the flap front of cab with a small chain to operate, realy enjoy your videos please keep posting, admire anyone who rescues dogs I wish you well Edward Thomas
Seeing those Matador's, brought back memories, I drove a Matador converted to drag timber when I was 12 yrs old, that darn thing climbed out of a bomb crater on tick-over, the owner thought it was quite funny to see me standing on the clutch pedal with both feet,........ Lovely old things British engineering at its best just like the Gardener Engines they had a kinda mesmerising tick over.. Great video...
There a lovely old truck the matador my great uncle has two, one is a Notts city bus wrecker and the other a military spec gun tractor, before we had them ended up as timber tractors for Gregory's sawmill in Derbyshire and were both restored by our self's, and I have a 6 wheeler aec militant with a atlas crane on awaiting restoration brilliant video as always 👍🏻
I worked in the timber industry in the 1970s, 8os they were great machines could take a lot of stick and lovely sound, you are so lucky to have so many to play with
If anyone doesn't want to see the engine start experiments they shouldnt be watching this channel!! Of course I want to see it. Lovely seeing the AEC Matadors too. More of them too please!!
Great to see you messing around with proper engines I grew up around aec Ford coaches I still drive coaches have class one driven seddon Atkinson twin Eaton split you drove then nowadays you just aim and go keep it up lads great to see this
Hi mucker.. A few years ago I put a Scania R420 dc13 engine running only in brake cleaner, men.. That thing was scary!! As soon as the engine stopped all the intake ports were on fire!! I like very much of those kind of trucks!! Real nice video!! In the 60s the Portuguese troops used a truck called Berliet Tramagal they say that sometimes they put them running with wisky! Let's make some experiments!!
when i was a bairn i would go out with ma da to start our trucks in the morning to cold start,, burning newspaper held against air filter intake hole whilst turning over engine foot hard on accelerator , sometimes with a coal fire on a shovel slide under engine to help thin oil and defrost fuel lines as well.
Hi mate interesting stuff, i started my driving career in the early 70;s and used to drive two different matadors up and down the roads of oxfordshire fetching and loading timber, brilliant days!
Thankyou for showing the matador engine, using the chance to show a good and bad engine with help needed. Providing a demonstration of testing in all its forms .... I will look forward to what you find out , inspecting the parts, well done 👍
Anyone not wanting to see you bugger about with daft stuff needs to lighten up! I'm in 😂 The way that was spinning over, it was clear it was lacking compression, but I was dying for it to miraculously burst into life in a cloud of smoke.
What a lot of folk fail to realise however is that it's easy to jump to conclusions when somethings on a test frame or in a test house. With no ancillaries, pumps, compressors, driveline, clutch etc an engine behaves differently. We didn't actually think it would fire on ether...
Now then, Mucker, I'd love to win a collie! - It's been a few years since we had sheep, but a new collie wouldn't go amiss. Any-way! That AEC out there under the snow is almost as good a Fordson Major, at starting, though I think in all honesty the Major might just have the edge! - Now then (again) I'd like to see you guys buggering about with various fluids/fuels and that old engine, and maybe try Brake Cleaner, and/or Carb Cleaner? Or, how about trying brake fluid? - We had an engine that used to love old fashioned "Girling Crimson" brake fluid, but by God it used to smoke and choke! Paint thinner should also work. On a similar tack, we once ran a Fordson Dexta on paraffin (lamp oil) just to prove a point.
I was informed that an engine needing ether to start will always need it once used. Some people saw it as an addiction and steered away from its use. I now know, thanks to your video, it was the demise of the engine and the ether was just a way of getting it started rather than carrying out the repairs required. Some people are old school. Donkey jackets, now there's a topic to do; the yanks call them pony starts, I'm not confortable wearing a pony jacket but please do an historical approach. Big engine cold starts !
Alternative fuels, I've run lawnmower engines on used cellulose paint thinners that had been used for cleaning spray guns. I've used unlit blow touches down air intakes, best not to look down the manifold when doing this, they backfire quite spectacularly. I also ran a lawnmower engine with no carb using some tf90 mould tool cleaning spray, basically acetone in an aerosol can. I tried running a land rover 2 1/4 petrol engine on diesel. On diesel engines I've tried wd-40, silicone oil and unless I lit them they didn't work as cold starting aids. Spraying a 4 foot long flame down the manifold was pretty cool, the flames were coming out of the exhaust for the second or so before the engine fired up. If your engine is half decent it might run on these. The engines I was working with had probably done as many hours after they needed rebuilding as they had before their rebuild was due. An engine should pretty much run to a degree on anything you can light with a match or lighter.
Thanks for the video, Looks like there is a descriptive word for that engine beginning with f and ending with d to sum up it's condition. Yeah shove the ford engine video up that will be interesting.. It's funny you say about the matador running with the pump 180 out. I helped a buddy with his major puller , we put a newer ford 6 in it after an explosion and put a re machined timing gear on for his original huge Bosch P series/no govenor full fuel deal to run unlimited pro stock "rev limit being internal parts not staying inside the block rules" basically ! The guy that did the machining got the key groove 180 from the original timing mark. We missed it fitting the pump in a rush one night, she ran like that with so much fuel going in, it just didn't start so well. One of my 2704'ET's had the fuel aneroid on for the turbo. I figured it didn't smoke enough in my major so pulled that junk off and threw it under the bench. Oh $#!t she smoked then L.O.L. My shops 50x50 with 10x 300w lights in ,it filled the place so full of black smoke after 2 minutes you couldn't see the light were on !. Take care.
I’m ten minutes in and laughing like a fiend. No idea whether she’s going to get a look-in or not, so I’ll just say it: “How f--ing dare you?” Love this channel.
Thanks for the video. I understand Gasoline engines fairly well. Yet I know very little about diesel engines. I knew that they use compression to cause ignition, but that's about it. Now I have a much better idea. I drive a truck for a living and have for about 20 years. I have used either a lot in the mountains of Colorado in the winter. I never had a problem, but my goal was always to see how little I could use. Now I see exactly how it works. So thanks again!
When I was 18, not long having passed my driving test, I had to take a Matador to one of the gangs working on site. 2 miles in, I had to negotiate a busy town, with the high street on a steep hill. Baptism of fire i think it's called. Must have done ok though, because it wasn't long before they put me through my HGV class 1.
AEC one of the finest vehicle and engine manufacturers from Great Britain, there's nothing sounds as good as an on song 7.7, I'm in the process of fitting one in a Fordson Major.
Brilliant loved to see the matadors I worked for a tree surgeon in Cambridgeshire back in the 80s they were so strong my boss really looked after his always wondered what happened to it right beast to drive. Anything you try you will always get me watching what you are up to mucker👍
Great video. Feels more like home. -12 c again here this morning. Found myself leaning toward screen trying to help will the old Matador to life from 4:30 to 4:55 on video. I need help.. Not familiar with these engines, but the easy roll-over and the expressions on your face kinda hinted what was up and that you knew from the get-go and just went with it for fun. Definitely a chuckle (ps you really hate mosquitoes don't you... haha ) Give Lysol Spray a go, just to keep the Covid at bay. Cut some used motor oil with some diesel for a fuel & give Gretta the fits Cheers
Superb vid as always. Used various things over the years to get things to fire up. Hair spray lighter fuel brake cleaner etc most things you find in a workshop will burn
Loved it, did my time on AECs in the 70s, 7.7, 470, 505, and 760s they used them as they always started to tow start all the others with Perkins or Bedford's in the morning. The 7.7 and the 470 ran nice but you needed sandwiches and a thermos to go any were, soo slow. I remember the deluxe 5 speed with overdrive that would not pull the over drive gear unless you were empty. Good days changing clutches on the A4 on the side of the road. I remember the first tilt cab 505 that used to tip its cab going down the road when you applied the brakes.
Lord Muck another great vid ,Thanks for the Mugs and stickers they top notch , One problem lady Muck would love a Lady Muck mug could add it to the range
The addiction idea comes from people that don't understand how things work well anything really when the engine develops a fault and is hard to start 9 times out ov 10 muckers Cosby giggle gas will get it going as time goes on the fault that caused the hard starting gets worse so you need more and more cosby gas but it's not addicted to it it's just buggered 😉
@@2341jasonb Ah that explains it. I come from his lordships background, " why won't that start then?" So I have only used easy start as a diagnostic tool! Don't get me started on people putting " additives" in complex hydraulic systems. I am no lord by the way, just a peasant.
I've been working on diesels for nearly fifty years, never done a compression test it's not necessary, you can tell when a diesel's knackered simply by observing the crankcase compression/blow by. Always loved the old AEC's though.
That's right, we did it for the purposes of the video as a visual indication of what we suspected we'd find once the heads were off. However, blow-by isn't always a definite tell of low compression as some engines such as Racine built Case and the big MTU's did that from new and run just fine.
Hi Mucker I think it would be a great video to see you and the old fudweasel uking about with that engine trying to get it to start on different fluids, I got ta say you and the Cosby juices on the matador engine had me ni on -issing myself laughing at you 2 doing a runner and coughing your guts up that Cosby juice is some good tackle, well it got me laughing on a Sunday morning, thanks another great video.
Way back in 1963 (I was 11 at the time) my parents had a spinney of very large elm's taken down as one of them had shown sighns of dutch elm disease, so they sold the lot to a timber company in Bedford,we were living in Waterbeach just outside Cambridge at the time. The timber co came along with an AEC Matador and a trailer on which to haul the trees away with. They loaded four or five of the trees onto the trailer at a time the trees being about four foot in diameter 50 foot or so long by the time they were trimmed. When it came time to haul the trailer away it had sunk up to its axles in the fen type soil so they would go to the length of the winch cable drop the spade and haul the trailer in then repeat until the matador was on the road and the traile was still bogged. The spade was then dropped against the curb and winching began again, well the front wheels would come of the ground and slowly the trailer would move foward while at the same time the matador moved backwards. By the time they had done this arond ten or so times there was a distinct bow in the curb stones and the foot path and there was ruts so deep and wide that I could walk in them and the ground was level with my waist,the ruts were still visable sixteen years later when my parents sold the old Vicarage site for for development which was right in the middle of the village and the curve in the curb is still there or was last time I went through Waterbeach four years ago. I asked about the wich at the time thinking that it must be special for them and was told that it was the same one fitted by AEC the only thing they did was replace the cast drum and axle with a turned steel one. That truck made a deep imppresion on me as well.
@@LordMuck I dont know the name of the timber company just that they came from Bedford or Bedfordshire and they specialised in elms at the time for coffins.
Yes I certainly would like to see that. What I would love to see is you "refine" a bit of "diesel" by heating waste plastic. There's a lot of stuff on RU-vid about it. Back not so long ago when I was living off the grid and right into mung bean tofu I had plans to run an old Lister hooked to a generator off the stuff. Also got to get a bit of old oil from the chippy and through a bit of that into her 😁👍 looking forward to it mate. Love the matadors
@@LordMuck appreciate the reply 🙂 of course mate I didn't think of that your a busy little bastard. Enjoy the channel a lot. We've got a pre-owned border collie called Harry 👍 good on ya for giving a bit of money to look after pups
Hay mucky brilliant video as usual I just love old lorrys Ofcourse video of engine running on strange evil brews just a bit of fun to brighten up a boring day lol
