WILL IT START ? - Detroit Powered WAGNER W4 

Nice to see these old machines kept alive. All part of history. Great video 👍

Appreciate the video! We'll take some pointers when we tackle ours. Beautiful old tractor.

Your knowledge is second to none mate .I enjoyed that!Another great video .

Once again Mucker your due diligence was the difference between success and failure. I didn’t think it would start because there wasn’t a bird’s nest! Seriously, the engine sounded sweet proving it is sound.

Cool video. Old Detroit's don't leak oil, they are just marking their spot. Thanks for sharing.

I'm 70 years old and grew up in the Portland Oregon area. Wagner is still in business. During the second world war, the company that is now Wagner was building machinery for the war effort. When the war ended the company needed to find a product to keep the factory operating. They came up with an ingenious tricycle front end loader called a "Scoopmobile". These were designed to be towed by a small dump truck and used by local road departments to clean ditches. When I was a child, Scoopmobiles could be seen everywhere. A few can still be seen in Oregon today. Later, Wagner merged with another company to become Raygo Wagner. Actually, the first ever articulated front end loader was also a Wagner. During the '60s or '70s there were two operations, Raygo Wagner (above ground equipment) and Wagner Mining (underground mining equipment). I was driving a chip truck last year, hauling wood chips from lumber mills to a paper mill in SW Washington State. The paper mill uses 3 Wagners to pile the chips. They rolled one off of the pile last year and replaced it with a new one. They appear to be big clunky machines, but many mills seem to like them for pushing chips.

Those two stroke diesel engines sound so good. Cheers from rural USA.

A Detroit on full song is music to my ears. My dad got his truck licence with a truck powered by a 8V-71. Even though they're a rare beast now I still love the sound.

Dad drove a Commer lorry with a Rootes TS3 two stroke (underslung) engine back in the 1950s. They were fitted with a Roots type blower (different company) and required a different style of driving to the normal four stroke. Always high revving even during gear changes they would de-coke after so many miles sending a shower of sparks from the exhaust.

its really nice to see these two again, I remember reading an article about 10-15 years ago about these two machines, its nice to see they're still being cared for and to finally hear one of them running

Always nice to see old tractor come back alive and being a 2 stroke makes it even better.

Wot great tractor Mucker great sound from motor,,,, 👍🚜

Wow, that’s got to be one of it not the best will it start I’ve ever seen. What a sound that Detroit makes. You know your stuff there Mucker!

Just one of those iconic sounds. When I was a kid and that’s a couple years ago now. Most of the cement trucks, all the city buses had 2 stroke detroits. There is a cement plant a couple miles from my farm and in the morning when the wind was the right way you could hear the first loads going out for the day. I’ve got to find an old dump truck or road tractor with a screaming jimmy just for the soundtrack.

The 4-53 had serious dependability issues, now the cousin, 6-71, of which I had two, & you did a video about same, those 6-71's were practically bullet proof. This Wagner concept can't be mentioned while ignoring the Big Budd influence on 4 WD articulated power units, BTW, Big Budd is set to return to life this spring 2023

Terrific video. She is a runner and sounds strong as hell. Be nice to see the old girl in a field. But it was a great thing just to see it run and moving. Thanks again.

Sounds the part. Reminds me of Dublin years ago when they had Detroit 2 strokes grafted into double decker buses.

I had a ford 4000 bought it in 1976 35 HP used it in a haying operation in Montana ,great little tractor

Back around 1976 I had my first encounter with a 671 Detroit, in a conventional road tractor. And yes, like a dumb-ass, after moving the truck away from the dock I pulled the "Engine Emergency" knob to shut it down. Lesson learned.

I notice she's got the essential ear defenders on board drove Terex loading shovels with the Detroit,site was 7.5k long you could here them from one end of the site to the other !!

Welker Farms, on YT, in Western Montana have a Wagner, to go with the 3 Big Buds, they are planning to rebuild the Wagner, sometime. I figure after the sons get their new houses built. Side note, the original company is trying to restart the Big Bud production.

There is something soul soothing about the sound of those old screaming jimmy's! Nice to see the old girl running again! Thanks for sharing 🇨🇦

Fabulous diagnosis 👍

Sweet running old girl! My uncle drove Detroit powered trucks for many years, he used to say you could pin a picture of a Detroit to the wall and find a stain in the plaster the next day. Really it's a bum wrap though, most just suffer from the old rubberized paper gasket materials of the day. I've seen plenty rebuilt with modern gaskets and they don't leak a drop.

Great bit of history there, quality engine, needs a bit of work in the spring 🤩

Great video. I never realized before watching your videos that Detroit motors were used in UK. I thought they were mainly here in North America. And I’m really surprised to Wagner tractors over there as well. Same thing I honestly thought they were only really marketed in Canada and the US. My dad is 83 and has been in farming and running construction equipment since he was like 16 so he’s spent a lot of time around Detroits. He still loves talking about running a big Koerring excavator in the 70s with twin 6V71s😊

A suggestion from a 4-53 owner. I would pull the emergency stop housing off and check that flap. I have seen them get bent and not seal off the air completely. It should shut it down when deployed. I make it a habit when changing oil to deploy the emergency stop to make sure it has not frozen up. You will get dissimilar metal corrosion between the shaft on the flap and the housing. It may not fully deploy when you need it most. Just a suggestion.

Another great video. I remember when BEDFORD used to put Detroit Diesel into the TM.

Evening Mucker! I had not doubts that you would be able to get that tractor up and running! Very nice looking Wagner and sounding too. Fenland Rob

way ahead of most other engines , designed in 1938 powered greyhound coach's coast to coast at speed not seen before , transformed commercial transport over night , a friend building the m1 motorway using earth scrapers first tried British machines blew up after a few days full throttle , had to buy terex scrapers with two v653,Detroit's one each end day after day after day full throttle did the the job ,!

The Wagners have a look of old airport tugs about them. Thanks for posting. A new make for me.

Good to see you Fella’s

Brillant video well worth a watch ,thank you for involving one of my local framer Tony Hopper a very close freind of is father cheers again Lord Muck for your content and some good friends

Watched it again and still a big smile on my face. JT would of loved to been involved but he would defo give it a big 👍🏻 Thank you……

That Detroit soundtrack was something else when it fired into life 💯👍 love it how the ear muffs was on standby hanging round the steering column cuz omg you wouldn’t wanna do a days work without them

I know noisy and probably uncomfortable but wow I want one. Brilliantly put together video chief !!

Thanks for the explanation at the end of the video about how the emergency stop caused the issue. I’m not a diesel guy but I always appreciate the opportunity to learn new shite from LM.

I ran across your video inquiring about the new Big Bud tractors I have a 4:53 myself it was in a 1980 1 ton four-wheel drive pickup it got 17 to 19 miles to the gallon with a 353 gear ratio in a standard Rock Crusher 4-speed looking forward to get it running again and see what kind of mileage I can get out of her. Thank you for the videos and look forward to dealing more of your videos so I can learn more about the Detroit Diesel from the center of the United States take care and God bless

Well done mucker, lovely sound off those two stroke diesels . Looks like a good tractor .

Those Detroit two strokes sound great I wouldn't want to be driving it all day but still an epic motor and the Wagner is a rare old beast never seen one this side of the pond 🤔 great work getting her running sweetly a bit of the party favourite works wonders 😉 great post cheers 🍻

Did something similar with my Oliver 1950. Just after we bought it I took it to drive it a little to see what they are like. After parking it I knew about the emergency kill well mostly and after I shut it down I checked to see if it worked. Pulled the switch herd a clunk and thought it works pushed the knob back thinking that is all that is needed to do to stop the emergency shutdown no it isn't. Few minutes later my brother wanted it started again it started but wouldn't rev and smoking like all hell shut it down didn't know what happened but my brother figured it out quickly and properly shut off the emergency shutdown. I got lucky it never gave us trouble from that mistake the only issue it gave us was losing power sometimes so did what most people do with a diesel low on power replaced the fuel filters hasn't been a problem since. One thing I got to do is learn how to adjust the governor I don't get enough RPM for full PTO speed.

Magic fingers a good knowledge and easy start what could go wrong great vid mukker

Great Video Mucka, bit of experience goes a long way when solving a starting issue. Enjoyed the process👍

Proper job that Mucker. Nice pair of tractors too and nice to see some 2 stroke action.

What great looking pair of old tractors. Good vid...👍

Lovely sounding those Detroit engines they were used in some of the Bedford Tm trucks

Oh the sweet sound of those screaming Detroits you should have got to hear them working in Clark skidders a forest full of them 👍👍😀

Mighty job Kurt, Pat, Tony and Puppo, You know Your stuff, Fair Play👌👌👍🙏🙂

Cool looking tractor, cool sounding engine with both being rare in the UK, great video Mucker.

Our local power station had Terex scrapers …… I could hear them from my house four mile away. Sweet.! 🙂👍

First time I've ever seen a Wagner. Looks a little like a baby Steiger. Very nice!! And sounds great too! 👍 👌 Great job getting her running again

Nice work 👌 Great video I am also have some Wagners a WA4 1962 and a TR6 1958. I would like to see video on the TR9 have seen many pictures and videos of this tractor on the Internet

Thanks guys.

Another belting vid Mucker, still sat waiting patiently for some Schluter content .............Do Well!!!

Very interesting history. Thank you. I think part of your starting problem was the John Deere starting fluid. Left over animosity and all that. 😂

Where I worked in the 70's we had a Euclid loader the howl of which could be heard all over the site, and quite a distance off site, when it was working on the coal stack.

Great looking tractor. Gotta love a the sound of a 2 stroke detroit

I have an 18month old and an 8 year old lad delaying their bedtime to watch! Great video

That was a lot of fun, I nearly wet myself with some of the insert clips, but anyway I did a quick calculation on the capacity of the 4/53 which is 212 cu inches or 3.47 litres but an amazingly powerful engine for it's size. The 2/ Detroits have the emergency shut down in case of overrun and I was working on a boat with an 8/71 which the had an overrun for me. Problem was the ESD had been disconnected in the wheelhouse so I had go into the engine room with this screaming fucking monster and operate the ESD at the blower. Was I scared? No, I was shitting myself, I was shaking so much I inhaled a cigarette in one go.

Now that was a proper treat! I didn’t even know there was one never mind 2 wagners over here. Guess there’s one of everything if you know where 🤔🤷‍♂. Great to see her going again.

Great video, love your “will it start” videos, all the better for being part of a range of topics on your new enriched channel. Hope you get a chance to see if the older Wagner will start. 👌

sweet job Lord Muck, if only everything was that easy that 1st battery was lacking the oomph but percey verence wins the day and when she caught your grin said it all. would be nice to see both running

Brilliant what a tractor and what a soundtrack, years ago trucks had dietroit 2 strokes in also,sound all of their own coming down the road,thanks that was a good one.

Cracking video sir, west of Scotland didn’t see anything that fancy until they started using Detroits for road building kit thank you for the education

Always love a will it Start! Thanks Muck!

Well done getting it started, Kurt. "Endeavour to persevere."

Good to see different machines like that....really enjoy your will it start stuff.

Love the sound of a 2 stroke diesel just the way she screams when revved 👌

We ran vehicles with 6V53 Detroit's and there's just something about the sound of a 2 stroke Deisel that's magic. As for the question of how did you stick it all day, simple, hearing protection always!

Nice music! I’ve got the baby of them all…….2-53 with small injectors trying to keep the rest of the JD 435 parts holding hands…..mostly. It tried to run away the last time I started it but had plenty of weight to keep it under control and stop it.

Superb video mucka. What a machine never seen a Wagner before they sound amazing.

My Pettibone front end loader has 4-53 Clark rough, terrain military surplus forklift has a 4-71

Great video - they don't make mudguard,s out of 1/2 inch steel plate these days 😃

A Great will it run and drive , a nice bit of history and engineering. Well done Mucker 🚜👍🔧

Another great video. Would love to them running together. And even working in a field.

Well done Sir, glad to see you're as sharp as I thought you were . Myself not so bright I'm afraid, because I dropped back to have a look see at the above-mentioned earlier video, and thought I'd back tracked far enough to leave you're Lordship a note about a channel you may find to your liking. Ole 2 Stroker is the channel, nice fellow outta upper New York state Full-time diesel mechanic I believe he is, but dam fantastical about those GM green beast he is, and a growing collection of them he's got. Even an old race truck from the 80's that supposedly turned up to 800 ponies that he's going to try to bring back to the way it originally was looking. He's already got her running, and shifting once again after sitting abandoned for way to long. Just give his channel a look see if you would, as I believe you'll find things to your liking.

Nice to see something a little different, what a smart and interesting piece of kit. Can’t mistake a screamin 2 stroke!

Excellent video and a great result!

What a beauty them Detroit stroke diesel sound awesome!! Great video mukka!!

Fantastic to see the churn of destiny out again and doing its job, what an interesting tractor 🚜

Great video always nice to see something a bit different

Another success, great to see you working on something again Mucker! Gotta love a Deeeetroit, but how could you work with that glorious racket all day?! I remember listening to a Timberjack with one in when the Forestry Commission were felling around the home and farm when I was a kid. Loved it then, still love it now. It just echoed through the forest.

Definitely seen//heard the "Oh yeah I checked it" before...only for the fact that they clearly didn't being the root cause of the problem

Was given a similar lamp at Christmas - has inter changeable heads including a flexible swan neck - found those pesky small screws nuts and bolts many times.

Sucked everything out of the air box and everywhere else. When it is cold here in Canada, we would crank over the engine a bit with the fuel off to warm up the cylinders a bit, just spraying freezing cold fuel into the engine if you crank with fuel right away keeps the cyl. cold.

I remember seeing a big Scammel Agro unit I think it was Knight Contractors in the early 80s on the road with Detroit 2 Stroke coming up that hill on the old A 130 near Rayleigh Essex sounded amazing

Nice job. Another big thing, as I understand, is to use SAE 40 engine oil, instead of multi grade oil. Bus Grease Monkey recently published yet another video about a shonky workshop service on a Detroit Diesel powered bus (mobile home), this one including an oil change with 15W40. Nice to see an example of the first type of modern pivot steer tractor. I watched an Arsenalen video which included a licence built Pavesi tractor used by the Swedish army as an artillery tractor and had wondered where the first production hydraulic pivot steer tractor came from.

That old bugger must be blowing it's knickers out after that mess.. Good video ole Mucker from across the pond.

Unilite made in UK great kit. After a whole can of Cosby the Wagner sounded great and it looked like a fun day out

You done good, we didn’t think it was going to start. But it sounded good, well done chaps

Another great video. Really enjoy the 'will it starts'. I was going to suggest having a go with the Willy's Jeep in the background next, but it seems a bit far gone.

Interesting tractors is the drop box in the rear end just noticed the two propshafts. great vid thanks.

Decided to abduct a naked Minion🤣🤣 Quick diagnosis there, and gentle on the can, unlike someone we all know😅 Nice one M'lod 👌 Cheers, Mike

How good was that? Just brilliant. Thanks for the video. 👍

Another great vid I have to say the clips in between are inspired.

Sounds wizard, and the exhaust looked a hell of a lot cleaner than I'd anticipated... I don't know WHAT it is about the Detroit, (engine), sound but it's almost like an alien being trying to communicate. Scary as fuck, but massively good.

Congrats Guy's, u manage to get the Yellow Cricketer/W4 running and driving. well done lad's...

Sounded good great video. Let’s see you get them out working that’ll be a fantastic video 👍💭🚜

Mr muck at his best. Now back int day the nck eiger had a massive Detroit in it and a chimney fire at night whilst tracking ment you didn’t have to light a fire up the intake on a cold morning. But tracking a 120 tt crane around with that engine sounded like you was rolling at 150mph. Good effort mate keep it up until your review

Ketchup slamming is good for the soul Kurt, also the most underrated tool for work....light☀️💡🔦