Her mind is so... blunt. I can't think of any other way to describe her. She actually thinks men calling her out is "cruel". Like no girl, you just infiltrated a child's privacy and mocked them. You're the cruel one.
She is not even blunt-more like brainless. Literally she went to defense tactics that of which crash into each other making it obvious she threw every different defense tactic at the wall to see what sticks and it shows. “I know the kid and he’s ok with it” as cheap as it is-not much to be done about proving it didn’t not happen…. Then proceeded to go to “well it’s not illegal” and “you are going to be judged anyway” which are defense tactics you use when you don’t know the person you gave shit to personally-making me think she is lying.
No, this is good, she's actively making the situation worse for herself by the second. I would love to see her frantically trying to explain herself when things get serious. She will learn what the consequences of her action are.
Yeah but we also need to start giving people benefit of the doubt. But also we need to stop recording permission without their express consent. So I can see why we all need to do better. The comment responses are absolutely lols, her response was cringe tho.
@@xostler We would have given her the benefit of the doubt,if she hadn't made herself clear from the start. No matter how you spin it,bullying children is never good.
Yeah, we haf a whole movement of giving women the benefit of the doubt know as MeToo movement and it was an utter shitshow. Youd think after Amber Heard, the peak of the situation, everyone would take a step back and start calling out the BS
The clip just shows her recording chuckling, the kid DID look funny in all fairness, who ordeal could have been avoided if she helped the kid afterwards, even out the "asshole" with something nice i feel like.
The gym is NOT a place to film freely. People are there to work out not be part of some woman and her tiktok clownery. It's obvious this woman has no respect for privacy.
That is what I was thinking, aren't GYM's PRIVATE PROPERTY and thus you need the GYM OWNERS permission to film and what you can and cannot film will be decided by them? I know you cannot just walk into a shop and start filming legally, most will not care, but I have seen many who will not even allow photo's let alone video in their stores.
Completely depends on the local laws and culture. From what i can see it aint Russians dunking on her, it's overwhelmingly US Americans, probably coastal ones that live thousands of miles away and most certainly never been to the place yet for some reason assume the entire world is and should be like murrica?
@@baraka629 the law about photos and videos (in most western country) says that you can make images in public space (exept military buildings or critical infrastructures) but you cant publicis it without the permission of the person from who it was made. So it dosent matters if it public or private place
@@Ishlacorrin >I know you cannot just walk into a shop and start filming legally In Russia you literally can just walk into a shop and start filming legally, so this logic dont work there. But, as already written in the comments, if you are filming a person, then you need his/her permission to do so. Theoretically, if this kid started complaining, then the woman would have problems, but this will not going to happen.
@@balidr Okay great. She doesn't live in "most western country" though. Do you practice law in Russia? because i can be honest and admit that i dont know a fucking thing about Russian law. Can you?
It never gets old when people like her always say "they dont care what people think of them" but proceeds to type a whole ass essay trying to put herself in a better light lol
okay brain deads lets think this through..her response was deemed as arrogant and she explicilty said things like no apology and get over it..yet now she is trying to better light herself? ugh some of you were born whiners
So someone called her out for mocking a child, and she plays victim. This is becoming the new normal. I guess she likes watching kids in gyms, and recording them for her own uses
Making yourself out to be the victim seems like a pretty easy card to play when you cant really defend your own past actions, when you can't say the backlash isn't justified but you're still hurt by the backlash so you gotta pretend like it isn't warranted. (Because hypothetically you'd be mad when you're hurt and for some reason that makes us want to feel justified?)
I don't see the "mocking" part. There's some video of the kid lifting weights, a bit of a giggle, and that's it. To say that Joey Swoll has overreacted would be an extreme understatement.
Not to mention that she seems like exactly the kind of twat who'd laugh at someone for being weak or fat, but then cry that she's afraid for her safety if someone actually put in the effort to bulk up was going to the same gym as her.
@@Lunk42 Noice, an LOZ and BA fan. Blue Archive never misses with its OST - I liked literally every song on the soundtrack. Also I'm addicted to Tears of the Kingdom. I just had to play it after that Arisu short.
She said that "you shouldnt go to the gym if you dont want to be judged" and "people can freely film you at the gym". Aint no room left for any innocence there.
The fact she said a gym is a public place where people can be filmed… she really doesn’t go to the gym that much because a lot of places banned filming others without their consent. It’s a public place where you pay to work out with rules attached. She is delusional if she thinks it is ok to film randos and a gym because “it’s a public place”. Some public places have rules against filming people without their consent.
I just know she'd have a BF (Bitch Fit) if someone filmed her Immediately she would pull out the "legally you can't film me without my consent cancelled!🤪🤪😜😜"
People really don't understand what is consider public space. A building that allows people to come in without being an employee of the building does not mean the building is public space. It is still private property. A gym is private property. A library is private property. A shopping mall is private property. However, these are open to the public (as in you don't need to be vetted to go in)
Her response to Joey was her honest one. When he first called her out, she told him to "lighten up." Then when he flat out asked her if she thinks filming people at the gym and posting it on social media to make fun of them is ok, she said "Yep! People are funny especially kids." So she admits she loves to film people without consent, make fun of them online for it, and her favorite targets are children. Now she's trying to lie and say she knows the kid. She's just sick.
"Her response to Joey was her honest one." You are dead wrong... she do not feel the need for "honest"(ever!). She lacks empathy(there is proper scientific word for it but i not gonna use it as it is also used to verbally attack people), she made the video in hope that it gonna make her look good/cool and her response to Joey was just about avoiding this whole situation as she is unable to understand why this backfired at her and what made Joey and other people angry... " "Yep! People are funny especially kids." So she admits she loves to film people without consent" Nope. She is able to notice that people are smiling at kids(more often than on adults)-> but she have no idea why as you can not analyze this without knowing feelings that drive this people to smile at kids... That idea that she loves to film people is most likely wrong, she loves herself other stuff are just a tool to make herself look good/feel good.
Gyms are not public why do people think you require a membership? Its a privately owned club that has fitness equipment I really hate it when people cant grasp the difference between public and private property
Two words would’ve stopped millions of people. Joey gave her a chance in the dms. Sometimes words like “I’m sorry” is just too damn expensive for some people
Apologies are admissions of guilt. This woman demonstrates fully she has no concept of accountability or reasoning. Thus, apologizing, is hard. If not impossible.
@@stevenglikin3219 Specifically, if she had admited fault when she got the DMs, the vast majority of the internet likely wouldn't have known, unless she repeated the issue later. Realistically, they still don't, but that's just because the vast majority doesn't care for the drama.
A gym is not “a public space”., It’s a privately run business where management define the rules…. But I am not surprised that someone from the former Soviet Union doesn’t understand this whole privacy and private property thing….
@@DarkFlameVee So you're just gonna ignore American funding Osama so he can commit 9/11 so they can invade middle east for oil in the name of stopping terrorism
a smart woman would've never mocked someone in the first place, for she would understand that everyone has their own struggles. she is not a smart woman
It probably doesn't affect her all that much because she lives in russia, they do much worse things without caring for the backlash abroad, as you might have recently heard in the news. For the last year and a half or so.
@@baraka629 she can ignore the backlash, act all smug like an untouchable self-centered, high-class ho- *ahem , person, but she won't be able to ignore the fact that her reputation from now on in the world of sports will go down, chances of sponsorships are close to none, and even if she makes a win, this issue will always be brought to light, and if she still acts all smug by then, her reputation and image will go down further. her career is burning slowly, and I mean negatively. no matter how professional you are, if your reputation in an international scale is ass, damages will be done in your career. she may not see this now, but she will realize it too late. afterall, regrets never come in first, they always hit you in the gut dead last
I guarantee that she doesn't know that kid at all. It's very clear that she's nothing more than an outright terrible person and she deserves every bit of criticism thrown her way.
@@RU-vidDeletesComments Nope, but you are most likely right about her. She have no idea why people are mad, she noticed that people smile at kids but she do not feel anything and she is strugling to see a difference betwen smiling at someone and mocking him... If we playing generalization game then i can tell you the reason(there is small chance that i am wrong->but that was not a problem for you so...) why you think that all of them are sociopath is because such people attract you, most likely they remind you of one of your parents with whom you had a bad relationship and by maintaining relationships with such people you are subconsciously trying to compensate for the bad relationship with your parent. Go to a church and find your partner there or start volunteering -> a sociopath will not be interested in such work, so chance to meet your favorite type of woman there is very low...
"I'm going to laugh at someone and post it online, lol!" 1 minute later "People are angry and laughing at me, wtf?!" Lesson 1 in life. Don't dish out what you can't take.
I'm guessing she's a psychopath who knows how to manipulate people, as evidenced by her long and suspiciously convenient explanation of what she was doing. People can get pretty far by being manipulative liars.
A s!mpciety that never holds them accountable for anything while praising them for doing nothing. Just look at how some of those judges sided with Amber Heard despite the mountains of evidence against her.
Just find an article about sociopaths and there is your answer... She really do not have any idea why people are angry because empathy is a big mistery for her. People smile at kids(and she is able to see it/but she do not get it) so she expected that her actions gonna make her look good->but she do not understand the difference betwen smiling at kid and mocking it...
At the start of the video i thought she could: a) Pull the victim card b) Back down and make a ton of excuses c) Double down showing how insane she really is To think she managed to do all 3 of them at once... that's reaching a new low
Its funny how she tells everyone to lighten up after she mocks a kid on Sm but when everyone starts doing the exact same thing to her, apparently we’re supposed to “get a life” the hypocrisy is through the roof if not indented on her five head.
This is literally the meme were the person is shoveling shit over a wall, and acts shocked and hurt when the people on the other side of the wall throw it back over at her.
Gyms are not a "public place" (unless the government is the one providing the service), they are a privately owned establishment by a person that charges a membership to earn money. We don't know if the gym has rules against filming inside and/or other people, but usually they are against it if the person doesn't consent.
Imagine finally gathering enough courage to go to the gym and improve yourself, just to have someone like her re-affirm your insecurities by going like “oh, afraid of being judged? Then go home!”
That entire "reaffirming" and "muh insecurities" concept is probably only something you will find murricans talk about. I doubt thats even a talking point in her corner of the world.
@@baraka629 No it is not, anyone with half functional brain can imagine that at the beggining when you start doing something new you will be bad at it and big % of people all over the world would use that as excusse to not go to the gym... on top of it in gym you have plenty of people with huge experience and even when you are doing nothing you can see that you do not fit there as other people there are build different= have experienced = have years of training. In her corner of the world you can be smacked into face for acting like that unless you are atractive woman that will be protected by other man in the gym. And Russians have plenty of insecurities, the only consolation for Russian is the fact that every posible type of pathology is the norm in Russia and no one pays attention to it. Last video about Russian gym i saw few weeks ago -> a changing room for professional athletes(real ones) with such a fungus on the walls that you will definitely not see anything like it in the USA...
there is a way, a better way she could've handled the situation: saying "I'm sorry, I bullied that kid and filmed him like a creep, I realize now that the way I treat people needs to change and I'll do better in the future." but her pride and lack of self-reflection got in the way.
If they really want to make it hurt, email the Olympic Committee, email sports brands that sponsor her, email the Swimming Committee. Explain to them her behavior and you'll get result. People like her will never learn until their world is turned upside down.
I heard the argument of shopping malls being public spaces because they are open to the public. However, this is the first time I've seen someone defending the idea that the gym is a public space. Even saying that you are free to record people. Some people do live in Disney Land.
You can tell someone had no real grounds for their behavior when they go on a long response that repeats things, claims one thing (it's all fine, they are cool with it, they weren't upset about it) and then say the opposite (it's not a big deal, it's only a little mean, you should expect it, grow up), and try to turn it on you (I'm not toxic for judging him, YOU are all toxic for judging me!). Oh, and say they don't care... repeatedly.. in many long muti-paragraph responses (clearly does care). Actions speak louder than words. She was wrong, knows it, but will talk circles to make herself feel justified and claim whatever victimhood she can to feel righteous about her behavior. I've learned to cut these kinds of people from my life. My tolerance is very low for it now.
Yes Megamind, because when people see videos of someone being discreetly recorded and laughed at our first thoughts should have been “Of course! Clearly these two people must know each other. Oh such wacky antics!”
Nika: You're all toxic Joey: How many times do I have to teach you this lesson old Wahmen Some Guy: How can a fully adult Wahman act like a child while the child is more mature than an adult .... Some Girl: This Wahman really makes me feel embarrassed ....
I think she's the kind of person who needs to experience a situation to sympathize with people who are going through the same thing. I bet she's never experienced being laughed at from afar by a group. That's why she isn't comprehending what she did wrong and thinks everyone's just being needlesly cruel to her.
If you are confused as to the definition of a public place, here's a good shorthand method to guess; if someone besides the government is paying to keep the lights on, it is private. As such, law-breaking in absentia, you are to abide by the owner's rules if you want to continue using their facilities. This can include a blanket ban on recording others.
"if you have problems going to a gym and fear of being judged, you will be judged" she's the reason why some people tend to be afraid of going to the gym
Same thing i said in the last video: Sure, lighten up, but sometimes you have to ask yourself: If i was in that position, would i be okay with this? I'm sure most wouldn't, especially not her. Have some damn respect lady. At the very least, you shouldn't share something like this publicly. That is the barest of bare minimums. Few things worse than people who laugh at you for not being good enough, and laugh at you for trying to get better. She definitely seems like one of them. 100% agree with the nickhandy and people calling her out on posting him on social media
Let's take her word for it and say she knows him to some extent and by definition he knows her to a degree as well. That means: She went ahead and posted something embarrassing-looking of him and didn't think he'd be upset about it or he or anyone else in this gym would find out. Kinda wonders if she even has friends if she'd do them dirty like that based on her post.
"it's a public space so you're free to film people" Well in my country, and probably most of Europe, it's illegal to post a video of someone without asking for their consent.
@@SRBOMBONICA86 The context of which this athlete woman did was both wrong and creepy. It just makes her look like a bully and a weirdo. Is that how you want to be perceived, just like her?
Just because she is a good athelete doesn't mean she has a professional attitude. Having achievements that most people don't can make a person think they can do no wrong since they're so good.
If she had just said the first part of her explanation about knowing the kid and the context being that she feels like doing the exercises half-assed on a Monday morning, that would have been the end of it. If she'd said that to Joey, he wouldn't have posted the video in the first place. Her toxic nature isn't that she was harassing the kid. It's that she believes that even if she had wanted to harass the kid, she has every right to do so and everyone watching should "lighten up" and just let her bully anyone she wants should she ever choose to.
So she sees no harm or anything of the sorts with her poking fun at others and thinks it's completely fine; But the moment people start calling her out on her atrocious behavior, they're being toxic and she doesn't deserve the backlash. People like her are dangerous. Especially since she's trying to act like she somehow knows the victim, therefore it excuses what she did.
The best way she could've done to avoid all this backlash. Was to not film the kid. But she did it anyways and took it like a loser. She reaped what she sow.
Wow, she posted a whole essay because 'she doesn't care what people think'. If she really didn't care, she wouldn't need to post any sort of response. She would just move on. If she does actually know the kid, she would tell the kid about the video and ask him his opinion of it. Then if he doesn't like it then she can apologize to him. And if he is fine with it, then ask him to post a video about it so she can link to it. I think a gym (like any business) is questionable on being 'public'. Yes, anyone can get a membership to get in... but the space belongs to the gym company. That means they can deny you access if they deem it reasonable... which means it is their private space that they are allowing you into. Basically, recording people in a gym is like visiting someone's home and meeting other friends of the home owner... and then recording those people. You aren't in public. ----- It gets more complicated if there are big ol' windows facing the street... because visible to the public. But then does that mean if someone's living room has a big ol' window they are publicly visible and therefore considered to be in public, or can they expect some discretion of being in their house they should expect some degree of privacy? Big long rabbit hole that basically requires some lawyer looking up law and case history to try to estimate the interpretation. ----- Anyway, a person in their own home who puts in reasonable effort to stay hidden from public can expect privacy to the point of going full birthday suit at home, if they so choose. Technically, a gym could be a birthday suit only gym, so long as they put in the effort to ensure their visitors are only exposing themselves to each other... no big ol' windows to the public street, and straight up rules against recording on the premises. However, I would recommend against a birthday suit gym... clothing helps keep the dangling bits from getting caught by anything.
7:14 She's taking the backlash like a typical grown woman of the modern era. You can't expect her to take responsibility for her own actions? That's toxic
Hope that gym bans that bleep. "free to film at a gym" These gyms really need to get on the ball with banning photography and videography. It's a private business, not a public place. they have no right to record in there. Do we know the name of the gym she was in?
Not trying to defend her or anything (would need to look into that particular situation more), but I do have a feeling that particular part of her reply is more of a "lost in translation" case. The correct way to say it would've probably been about the kid neither being disabled, nor sick, but just an average healthy kid. That would be more of a difference in Russian and English languages in that case.
@@necrotic.corvid also checked the clip from the previous video and I'm now honestly not sure about the whole takeon Joey's part. In the clip itself she did notice the kid doing the exercise wrong and the right before Joey appeared indeed said she adored that kid or some like that. It's a bit hard to tell, because the cut in the clip is right as she finished the verb. "Обожаю" (obozhayu) basically means "I like/love(not in romantic way obviously)/adore" depending on the general context. Also tbh people here (kids included) (in former USSR countries) generally tend to be far less sensitive towards many things. Besides, professional athletes often train in gov owned gyms on certain hour and it's kinda possible (not saying that's what happened (would need the full clip for that), but just that it's just possible) that the kid indeed was fooling around not feeling like doing the exercise properly and she just filmed it finding his lack of effs given funny. And trust me, the zero effs given part is very plausible, since I've been a teacher and a homeroom teacher at a state school most of students in which do sports on a professional or semi-professional level and most of the students from the class I was in charge of wouldn't give a damn about something like that (I'm not even kidding, as I at first myself was suprised at how little they'd care about things far bigger than what was in that clip)
A far as the whole "public space" thing goes, most people have no idea what constitutes actual public space. A gym, shopping mall, or ANY place of business is not actually public space. There is a term called "Quazi public" which means the space is owned by someone and the public is allowed to be there, however they must follow the rules that are set by the owners of that space. Too many people assume that they can do whatever they want, but those places are owned by someone and if you do not follow the rules, you will be forced to leave, or sometimes even get arrested.
I don’t know the particulars really of what happened or didn’t happen other then what I’ve seen, but what I do know it when you come out and talk down to people and say everyone else is wrong and tell them to lighten up it doesn’t do anything for your case. I might have listened to both sides of the story if she responded in a civil manner instead of how she did.
