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'Women, Race & Class' by Angela Y. Davis | Book Discourse 

The Black Ponderer
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The Me Too Movement exposed the reality that a massive amount of women, particularly Black women and girls as well as other young women of color from low wealth communities, are survivors of sexual violence. Yet, this reality is not new and has been true throughout much of human history. The solution to this profound problem is complex, but not unsolvable. Finding a solution begins with a philosophical examination of the utilization of sexual violence as a method to control socioeconomic power.
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@WoohooliganComedy
@WoohooliganComedy 4 года назад
Thanks, BP. I really appreciate you doing this work. I'm an autistic comedian (white incidentally), and racism and fascism are particularly important to me... I grew up in mostly white neighborhoods, went to mostly white private schools, etc. so with my autism and my social anxiety I've never had many non-white friends and that's troubled me because I feel like it's hurt my ability to understand the experiences and struggles of non-white people. And a lot of my personal social anxiety has to do with being worried I might accidentally hurt or offend people by saying or doing something I didn't realize had racist connotations. So now in my 40s I'm still trying to reach out and get to know people of color and it still feels pretty slow going, because as I said in my cancel culture video, I can't just show up to a black church like, "I'm down with Dr King's dream!", that would be creepy. So for the most part I'm limited to following black creators on RU-vid and social media. I know this is kind of a long-winded explanation, but I wanted to share some personal info about my appreciation for your work. 💖
@theblackponderer
@theblackponderer 4 года назад
Yeah, cancel culture is getting pretty counter productive now days. Sometimes it is justified due to the extremity of the offense but often times it's not. The fact of the matter is that we have all been socially conditioned to be racist, just by virtue of being born in a racist society. This is true for white people as well as for people of color. We all must work at becoming anti-racist, it takes an active effort. But working on it means that we will sometimes make mistakes. You can't work at getting better without sometimes failing. Failing is part of the process of improving. As a result, it will happen that you will sometimes say or do something offensive or oppressive. It's because being racist is our default position, we can do it subconsciously. What is important is that when you realize you've done this, even by mistake, you own up to it, apologize, and continue to try to do better. This is the required work we all must do for humanity to improve as a species. I myself have inadvertently/accidentally said and done hurtful things to people, specifically friends I know who have autism or other mental conditions. But in my failure I have come to a deeper understanding of my friends and the social struggles they have to face, and in that way I've become a better friend. We need to acknowledge that we will make mistakes, and when we do we need to take responsibility, admit we're wrong, and do better, using the knowledge we've obtained from our failure.
@WoohooliganComedy
@WoohooliganComedy 4 года назад
@@theblackponderer Yes, absolutely! We all fail, so the real question is what do we do with our failures, do we try to hide them and pretend we're perfect or admit and learn from them. I think this is one of the most important things we can learn, to accept and learn from failure. I published a 3-part video on a book by Carol Dweck called Mindset on her academic research into the psychology of failure and it turns out that there are a lot of antisocial behaviors associated with what she calls the "fixed" mindset (believing our abilities are genetic, which denies the real value of education and practice). There's a reason why nazis were/are so obsessed with genetics. So I try to be honest about my failings, even when it's uncomfortable, like my cancel culture video I framed around attitudes about the n-word, and also included a story about a time that I shared a convention table with a guy selling "all lives matter" t-shirts (actually "fantasy lives matter", which in context was even worse). And racism and ableism are particularly challenging because like you said they're the default position. My favorite description of this problem is "fish discover water last". Though knowing this hasn't helped my anxiety much. :P Thanks Neil! Let me know if I can help with any of your projects.
@sifatraihan3455
@sifatraihan3455 4 года назад
I recently discovered this awesome channel. Can't wait to watch all these videos over summer vacation!
@JoshuaKaluba
@JoshuaKaluba 4 года назад
Favourite black intellectual on this site, really adore you videos, thank you for everything you do
@cherokeeschill
@cherokeeschill 4 года назад
We're also not acknowledging the role of White/Upper class women, in holding up the mythology of male innocence. It's about power, the power that those women get from the men they bind themselves to.
@theblackponderer
@theblackponderer 4 года назад
Although I didn't discuss this particular point, this is talked about in the text. I actually talk about this in depth in my video about Gerda Lerner's book "The Creation of Patriarchy". That text explains why many women not only go along with patriarchy but fight to uphold it. Patriarchy offers certain kinds of economic and financial power to White/Upper class women who sacrifice their subjectivity (allow themselves to be objectified by men). Many women are willing to make this sacrifice, and it is this sacrifice that helps uphold patriarchy.
@MrWater64
@MrWater64 4 года назад
glad to see you’re doing okay during these times. Thanks for the video as always!
@deniz-qi8ks
@deniz-qi8ks 4 года назад
It's been a few days since i discovered here. Feeling very lucky, thanks for your contributions about things. I hope you never stop talking, telling and uploading. Loves from istanbul❤️
@colerainey-slavick
@colerainey-slavick 4 года назад
I really appreciate your videos. You break down concepts in such an accessible way, and the books you read and share are consistently dope. Thank you.
@kubo407
@kubo407 4 года назад
Good video. I enjoy these discussions and would never have found these books otherwise.
@maja2393
@maja2393 4 года назад
You’re a really nice speaker...! And the nice vibe you give off, really just makes your videos such a refreshing watch. Thank you and I hope you’re doing well even during these hard times
@a.laddinsane
@a.laddinsane 2 года назад
Really love your analysis of Davis’ work! Subscribed! I have the extreme privilege of seeing Angela Davis speak at an event later today, and this was wonderful to listen to while getting ready for the event.
@survivingmy40s
@survivingmy40s 4 года назад
Thank you for discussing this book. I seen it and never picked it up but I will now.
@HeavensMouthpiece
@HeavensMouthpiece 4 года назад
I can’t believe you churn out these 40 minute videos like every month
@rodrigomaia24
@rodrigomaia24 Год назад
Thank you so much for simplify in your explanation all these correlated issues❤!
@izabelyt
@izabelyt 3 года назад
Just finished this book, this really helped!
@judas4544
@judas4544 Год назад
i just borrowed this book, "against our will", and "caliban and the witch" from the library today!! looking foward to begin to read gender/feminist theory.
@LiterallyGraphic
@LiterallyGraphic 4 года назад
Top notch discourse :)
@santiagocortes7992
@santiagocortes7992 4 года назад
Love your channel man. Not only would I love to see a review on Fyodor Dostoyevsky’s ‘The Idiot’ but I think you’d really enjoy it as well!!
@theblackponderer
@theblackponderer 4 года назад
I do plan on making a video about that one eventually.
@tombodkin5377
@tombodkin5377 3 года назад
great job contextualizing
@etqz680
@etqz680 4 года назад
Thanks for the discussion!
@theblackponderer
@theblackponderer 4 года назад
Thanks for watching!
@cosmosprincess20
@cosmosprincess20 4 года назад
Eye opening
@finlayrobertson1355
@finlayrobertson1355 3 года назад
Indeed feminism should always be about all people. It's very important to bring attention to the many facets, race class gender and politics that can be improved by feminism. The more people who understand the more who will realise they stand to benifit from it
@tombodkin5377
@tombodkin5377 3 года назад
if only i had a professor like this
@RobotTed
@RobotTed 4 года назад
A nice vid, it serves as a pretty good intro to the book. I am interested in the book now. I will give you a bit of a push back: a very emotional subject, but I am left feeling like you did not dig into the material and confront it. For example, why not have a Matriarchy? More women graduate college, and military stuff is less and less reliant on muscle power... so! Why not? If racism was bad for Capitalism it would've been stomped out long ago. The same with sexism. Put simply: people really don't like it, yet it continues. Consider that the literacy rate world wide is 86%. This is a difficult skill to acquire and takes many years of practice, nevertheless, we've accomplished much. Why hasn't the same been done with sexism and racism? Compared with the proportion of women who've been assaulted or perturbed by sexism, we can only conclude that the system benefits from the oppression of women somehow, as it is so rampant. Why? Why don't we have a world wide effort to stop sexism the way we do with literacy and hunger? But, even further, why don't we end world hunger and illiteracy entirely? Like with unemployment always being present in some form, Capitalism's markets only do so much to ameliorate things. Someone must pick the fruit in the field... do they need to know how to read? An accountant must write down the hours to be paid, but do they need a doctorate? Food must have market value, so it is withheld until the price is high, and not everyone is be able to afford it every day... And so on. Here, I feel like Class outweighs the rest: our mode of production relies on the worker remaining ignorant of certain realities, which are used to oppress. We do not question why the Capitalist takes home the lion's share of wealth in our society, because there is always a social construction preventing us from understanding this. A social construction which blooms out of the mode of production and the arrangements taken to ensure it continues. Someone must pick the cotton, and then send it to the satanic mills of England to produce cloth... but who? Whomever is vulnerable enough in the eyes of the Capitalist. Other Capitalists were comparably armed, and immediate family/cultural ties made this problematic, so they looked elsewhere. This... equation... could of worked between any group of people. The Capitalist simply thinks "if I do not enslave those people, my competitors will, and then offer a lower price, and I will lose market." Fortunately, workers did not like competing with slave labour, and a war was done to put limits on this exploitation. But it continued under new forms. We, who are social beings, must stand up and say: "No." Furthermore, upon study of the dynamics of production, we must then say: "We can do better." Did racism and sexism exist before Capitalism? Yes. But they've been harnessed by Capitalism, fed elaborate ideologies and steroids (all women like pink, all men like blue or the horror of eugenics), and they pull society into ways that benefit Capital. Now, they are hastily being abandoned! However, before we rejoice, we must ask: what replaces them? And will we end discrimination and sexism the way we've done with illiteracy and hunger? Partly and incompletely? Maintain them in some way to justify inequality? We will not extinguish racism or sexism, or any other -ism, as long as Capitalism can benefit from them somehow. We will always be on the defensive. This is what I predict. And what replaces them? Once again, we must say: "No." This time to intellectual Capitalism. Patents are bought, and "siloed" by corporations. Does Apple sue Microsoft for the use of this or that patent? No, as the counter suit would be just a devastating. Only small firms and lesser competitors are bludgeoned in this way. I think an idea belongs to the ones who can think it. Perhaps not everyone can design a bridge, but those than can should be free to do so without the fear that someone who has NO IDEA how to build one saying: "I own the patent to bridges". I'm not dismissing how one constructs one's identity, what I'm trying to say is that, time and time again, we run into the problem of private ownership. Does a bird patent, and then sell, its birdsong? Does it say: "I really needed to eat today, and had to sell my song... I'll just try and come up with another one." No, that would deprive it of a fundamental aspect of its life. Well, that's what I thought. It is with interest that I note that the author did not say Race and Gender was more important than Class in the title of the book. I'll keep that in mind going forward. Class reductionism ain't it either! But she did not say they were less important. They are presented on an equal footing. TL; DR: A little Capitalism is just like a little racism or sexism. It's bad. Thank you for the vid! -- RU-vid should be a Coop! We all contribute Uploads, Likes, Reports and Analytics! One for all, all for one! -- Watch Trouble in Town by Coldplay with ads! All proceeds go to a good cause!
@simondilling5353
@simondilling5353 2 года назад
It's been a while since I have watched your videos. It is my hope that you don't take this as being told which books to read and review, but I would love to hear your thoughts on the slave narratives by Harriet Jacobs, Mary Prince and Sojourner Truth, "Up From Slavery" written by Booker Taliaferro Washington and "The Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglas." I saw the first video of yours in 2014 and I still enjoy your work. God bless and peace be unto you.
@theblackponderer
@theblackponderer 2 года назад
Thanks, I'll add your recommendations to my queue.
@Pseudonym77
@Pseudonym77 4 года назад
You should read society of the spectacle by guy debord.
@acropolisnow9466
@acropolisnow9466 3 года назад
great book.
@Kentrosauruses
@Kentrosauruses 4 года назад
I think a good follow up to this book is Between the World and Me by Ta-Nehisi Coates. I can’t remember if you’ve done a review of it yet. I wonder what you thoughts on where patriarchy and racism and these systems of oppression originally came from? Personally, I feel that capitalism is the root cause, because it relies on the free/cheap labor it extracts from women and black people. I wouldn’t be surprised if Davis agrees. But if I remember correctly, you are not anticapitalist, so what’re your thoughts?
@Kentrosauruses
@Kentrosauruses 4 года назад
Oh is should’ve watched further, because you read the quote where she explicitly says what I was trying to say. But you just say that Capitalism benefits from this, I think Davis is saying Capitalism is the cause itself. There is no separating the two
@theblackponderer
@theblackponderer 4 года назад
@@Kentrosauruses I talk about the origin of patriarchy in my video about Gerda Lerner's "The Creation of Patriarchy" ( ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-yVPTujm3g4g.html ). Check it out at your leisure. I'm not convinced that capitalism is the root cause because of the existence of patriarchy in history before the establishment of capitalism, meaning the social roles of man as dominator and woman as subordinate were well engrained before the idea of land as capital. Also patriarchy exists and existed in many socialist and communist nations throughout history. If capitalism was the root cause why then do we see patriarchy in pre-capitalist and socialist societies?
@Kentrosauruses
@Kentrosauruses 4 года назад
The Black Ponderer Okay, but do you believe that we can dismantle patriarchy without also dismantling capitalism? It’s true that socialist nations also carry over patriarchal structures from their previous regimes, but I think socialism does not need patriarchy to exist. However, capitalism requires patriarchy, or at least some similar system of oppression. As some anecdotal evidence, I’ve read that there are some places where studies suggest that up to 50% of the labor done is unpaid housework, and patriarchy ensures that a certain group (women) are expected to do this unpaid labor. To me, this type of low wage or unpaid labor is the only possible way a capitalist system can work. Even if we were to eliminate patriarchy, another system, like “Whoever has the biggest toes does the unpaid housework” would take its place. Edit: I realized I didn’t really answer your question and instead asked my own. Sorry. I think that the reason we see patriarchy pre-capitalism is because it was socially useful then, just like it is in capitalism. If there was not the oppression of women in these pre-capitalist societies, then those societies would have had to fundamentally change they way they operated to accommodate more people. We see that when slavery was ostensibly abolished the US, it fundamentally changed the way society operated, although I’m sure we all wish it had changed it further. Similarly, for these pre-capitalist societies and patriarchy. They needed that system of oppression to operate, and otherwise would’ve meant the leaders changing the society that gave them power. As for why socialist nations has patriarchy, it think it speaks to the fact that we need to overthrow all systems of oppression, otherwise the next social structure will carry those systems over. Like I said above, socialism doesn’t need patriarchy to exist, but capitalism does, at least in my opinion.
@theblackponderer
@theblackponderer 4 года назад
@@Kentrosauruses Yeah, I'm not convinced that capitalism necessarily needs patriarchy to function. I think capitalism as we see it today, late stage capitalism, neoliberalism, operates on a foundation of patriarchy, sure. If patriarchy is eliminated then, yeah, our modern version of capitalism would also collapse, absolutely. But you can have capitalism without patriarchy, meaning you can commodify your goods and services without exploiting someone else. Any system is susceptible to corruption whether it be capitalism, socialism, or whatever else. This is because all human beings have the desire of greed within them and some humans will allow that greed to take over. These humans will decide that getting what they want is worth exploiting others, and some of these humans who decide this will have a lot of social power. Those humans with a lot of power and who succumb to greed will be able to get away with exploiting others. This will happen in any society of human beings, whatever the economic structure. The root cause is not the system, the root cause is human nature. We have to be honest with ourselves. Therefore, what is required is regulation, enforcement of limits and boundaries, and establishment of checks and balances. No entity should have an extreme amount of power, whether that be the government, law enforcement, the military, corporations, or any other organization. Capitalism can work without corporations with extreme power or markets that are absolutely free. We need to put the brakes on capitalism, capitalism must be regulated to a higher degree to stop exploitation. We can have a version of capitalism which works that isn't the most extreme/absolute version of capitalism.
@Kentrosauruses
@Kentrosauruses 4 года назад
The Black Ponderer I think there’s a lot of room for disagreement with a lot of what you said there. Like perhaps we only see humans as naturally greedy because we live in a society that rewards greed and wealth hoarding (like Bookchin might argue). Or that the capitalism we see today is the natural evolution of any form of capitalism (like Luxemburg would say) Or that even with checks and balances capital is ultimately built on the exploitation of the working class, and therefore unethical (like Marx said). Those and other writers have definitely argued those points a lot better than I could in the RU-vid comment section, and I know you’re much more well read on those arguments than I am. I am glad that we can agree that capitalism as we see it today would need to radically change in order to dismantle patriarchy. I hope that in the future we can argue about whether socialism or capitalism is better without the baggage of these systems of oppression, and I think likeminded socialists and capitalists can work together to bring about that better world together. Appreciate your thoughtful responses and book reviews as always, I learn a lot from this channel :)
@kubo407
@kubo407 4 года назад
The comments that say "wanna be friends" from accounts called Logan (and some others) are some kind of hack. Search on RU-vid, there are other videos about it were they show info on the hack. These commentors are bots and yhey take control of your account somehow. They say just by replying it gets you but I'm not sure how that's true. The hack has managed to steal thousands of accounts though.
@theblackponderer
@theblackponderer 4 года назад
They ain't hacking into my account unless they got my password which they don't. In any case, a video with more comments gets more traffic so I ain't trippin.
@kubo407
@kubo407 4 года назад
​@@theblackponderer Yeah I don't understand how it works but it's been getting some attention. Thought you might appreciate if you hadn't seen that this guy is a hacker and the comments are fake. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-07aliklZ1Ao.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-OMI9Ol4qzfM.html
@XDnomis
@XDnomis 4 года назад
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