I'm a Type 5, INFJ, Autist, and Misophone, and I was trapped in retail for YEARS. I am lucky to be alive. But I actually kinda liked when customers asked me to look in the back even when I knew what they wanted wasn't there. They might as well have been saying, "Honey, you're so overwhelmed out here with all the people... why don't you take a quick breather in the back away from everyone?" I'd go stand in the stockroom and take deep, cleansing breaths, all with the customer's blessing... it was beautiful.
This was funny. Though as a Type 4 who works a robotic job, I find that the worst job for a 4 would involve that which doesn’t allow the 4 to escape into dream. So, in that sense, robotic jobs are not that bad. I actually prefer them, if I am forced to work. Repetitive detail allows me to to escape into daydream. Prob the worst job would involve the 4 to be ever present, where there could be no daydream-an air traffic controller, a cop, an ER surgeon, I imagine. A lawyer. Your husband is spot on in his response. The 4 CAN do robotic work as long as there is an opportunity for self-expression elsewhere. It doesn’t become our identity, in other words.
Good point. Jobs that have unneeded stress are the worst. I’m not about to make a job like that my life. When you are stuck thinking about things you don’t care about suck.
good points I also think that sales jobs are terrible for 4's because you have to be inauthentic and kiss assy and there are strict sales quotas that have to be hit which we hate goals especially if obtaining the goals forces us to not be ourselves
As a 4w5, I liked programming in school and that's why I went to the uni where I studied programming. But now I am not that satisfied being on a real job as a programmer... And I think that's because in school I could write programs however I want (there were no strict rules, any solution that works was correct + the teacher used to give freedom in which tasks I can choose). + I dreamed of making my own games and programs. But now not only I have to do strictly the task that was assigned to me, but also the way of coding is different: there are a lot of already existing technologies and principles of coding where you cannot really express yourself, you just have to do things correctly as other people decided. You even have to name variables and functions by some conventions, not however you want...
P.S. But I'm not complaining even if I'm a 4 😂 I just wanted to tell my story Actually, I am learning day by day to work on that job and to accept that there are things that need to be done that strict way and I'm also trying to give myself as much freedom of expression as possible in other aspects of life ✨
@@mickeyc2137 Yess totally can relate, sales is like the opposite of me 😂 But actually I'm now interested in sales skills because I started to notice it helps receive more money, so I think it could be actually really helpful. Maybe it's not that easy and natural for a 4, but I believe everything is possible 🙏🏻
As a 5, I busted out laughing at the "I'm correctly answering your questions" bit 😂 reminds me of my days in fast food. Also, I saw your post about you struggling with your mental health so I hope you're taking care of yourself 😊
“5” here! In HS when I worked at BK I loved being in the back… making burgers and fries. I was *insanely* efficient and could do the work of 3. The few times they moved me to cashier/drive thru I HATED it and informed them I would quit if it continued! 🙌.
Yup. I'm a 5 and worked A LOT of retail. I ended up opening up a lot and becoming a bit more social because of it. It made me more adaptable, yet, I still prefer a different environment.
Yeah, my 5 husband (he's a ten! but lol you know what I mean) got fired from a food service job for going off on a customer, and this sounds just like it lol...I love him but retail and food service are *not* for him
As a Type 9, software engineer was a decent choice when you can buckle down, write code, and work with a team to make a product. What's not great is when you suddenly find yourself managing a bunch of people because no one wants to take charge on the project and you just say yes to everything to keep the peace. Send help.
I'm a 4w5 who got stuck in retail and oh my GOSH it's soul crushing. I used their education benefits to go back to school and get a degree in Graphic Design, so I think you nailed it XD
Type 8 here, had to open my own business, because every time I heard a supervisor said "When your name is on the door, you can make the rules", I would think .... "Fine, then I will."
Exactly. I have coworkers that call me Boss lady and tell me that I should be running the place daily. I simply agree. Whenever I figure what kind of business I want to open up life will be much more fun.
I’m a type 4 and I literally did a bookkeeping course and was set on doing accounting but as I did the course, I had a sense of horror come over me at the thought of sitting at a desk doing numbers all day
As a type 3 I literally quit my job because I refused to wait a year for me to get a raise or to even get recognized. It is embarrassing when someone who works way less and does way less than you do only for them to get that raise and for you to put in all of that hard work not to even be recognized by your own job. Why stay if you can’t grow. That’s literally downgrading my character and for that I had to go.
I’m an 8w7 and this is accurate. I was an executive assistant once upon a time and was miserable. I do much better in a leader role than a support role. Something that drives me nuts is a manager who says they want legit feedback and opinions, then you give it to then and they get upset. I have no patience for that. And, true to my wing, I hate really monotonous work.
Type 8 here, this was spot on. I actually used to be a waiter. It was horrible! The managers were all on power trips, they’d try to bully everyone, you were constantly reminded of how much you didn’t matter, etc. Thankfully, I am in school now and doing much better. Hope to have my own business (or 2) when I graduate. I love how accurate your videos are ❤️
Exactly! Type 8. Good luck in school! When i was starting in my career... I have worked many jobs and as a contractor before. As long as I had support of Management to grow and learn new things, then I thrive. If people have power trips... or start bullying employees.. I don't yell. I don't use sarcasm. I speak TRUTH and ask that Manager questions? It has DEFINITELY pissed of some lower/midlevel managers. lol. Don't care. I will sleep at night upon your grave. Then I'm here to scorch the earth and stand up for the underdog. Yes it cost me some jobs, but I am now in the place where I am valued and loved :)
As a Type 5, I did really well as first a high school teacher, then as an elementary teacher. The variety of personalities and needs of my students balanced really well with clear-cut rules and schedules. The only drawback for the kids was, when the bell rang, that was it for me. I might take an additional 5 minutes for someone, but I wasn’t the cool teacher hanging out for an extra half hour with the students. I needed quiet, and I needed space to recharge. 99% of my interaction was during class. Since many of my students later told me how much they had enjoyed me as a teacher, I must not have been that bad ☺️
As a type 4…. But I’ve come to accept that finance/ coding jobs pay better than music and teaching. Combined. 🥺 I’ve taught preschool for awhile and within 2years, I’ve creatively out performed and quickly reach the pay cap for preschool teachers in my country.. erm.. we get really really low pay.. :( am trying to see where can I work in quantitative sector. As a single 26year old (2020), self-supporting a career switch studying psychology.. I hope to be able to help my parent pay off the house and also be able to bring my parent to places before it’s too late.. 🥺😔
Type 9: Instead of being a referee or divorce lawyers, they should be cheerleaders or paralegals. Type 8: Since they don't like being undervalued, I see Type 8s being lawyers. Type 7: Poor Type 7s in data entry! Their work should be more along the lines of advertising! Type 6: Since I have 6 in my tritype, I can finally get why I don't freelance. Coordinating projects is way more their jam! Type 5: Type 5s make the best librarians. All that information at their fingertips! Type 4: Fun fact. My mom is an accountant. The financial world baffles me. But I love tutoring kids and they definitely like me! (I wouldn't say no to a ghostwriting job tho.) Type 3: In one story that I'm writing, I have a Type 3 character who works for a newspaper and films herself as the action is happening. They gotta be in the room where it happens! Type 2: I know that stereotypically Type 2s are seen as being good teachers, but I think they would make good chefs or owning a bakery or a cafe. Hospitality is their jam! Type 1: The way that the bartender talked is very teacher-like! LOL! Since I go to Type 1 in growth, I think Type 1s would make amazing teachers for subjects like math or other higher level subjects. But aside from that, I see them being great editors.
type 8. got promoted to supervisor. place was running like clockwork, something that hasn't happened in a while. manager pulled me aside, said i was being too bossy. quit a few months later. if ur not gonna appreciate the work i do, why waste my time. their loss.
Abbey, As a One, I burst out laughing when the bartender wanted everyone in a straight line. Then she says using her mouth and hand signals , “Eyes on me.” As a retired teacher of first graders, I used to do that every time we would line up to leave the classroom. Then I would provide my students with the following instructions: stay in a straight line, be quiet so as not to disrupt other classes. And I would always end with, “I love you, and I know you are going to do this perfectly.” I had never even heard of the Enneagram back then!!! 😂
As a young introverted type 5 I had my first job yesterday working at this soup place and I can honestly say it only took me 4hrs to already want to smack the shit out of somebody but I can't because "the customer is always right"
I’m a type 4 and a primary school teacher- my kiddies really do make me feel special and I try to repay them by making each of them feel seen and accepted. It’s a great career for a 4 IMO, you have a lot of creative autonomy, feel like you’re making a difference and it challenges you to be practical and disciplined.
As an 8, I once wanted to work as a host in a restaurant (I was in emergency medicine and looking for something I thought less stressful) ...until the owner related a story about the woman who called the host over to complain that her lettuce in her salad was too green....and I knew if that happened to me I would have been fired for the response I would have given her. Retired now and logging my property with a chain saw is just the right amount of control for me.
As an 8w9, I get the secretary issue. While the w9 may not have the loss of that client, that basic conversation would be there just not thought outloud.
Yes! I’m a type 1 and can’t stand data entry jobs. They’re not challenging and often leave me feeling bored 🥱 Something that’s meaningful, fast paced, and requires attention to detail is my cup of tea
@@kelseywarren-bryant2682I 1w9 self preservation and do medical coding, I don't think it's right for Mr not meaningful. I don't like fast paced though. Maybe a mentor for young people or coach or teacher suits me , also I like art
I'm a 5 and I absolutely hated working in retail and serving in restaurants. Like I would actually go home and cry in the shower some days. Never again!
Type 5 here! A hard job I've had: Caregiver, for strangers, through an agency--needing to carefully balance being emotionally invested enough to be perceived as safe and personable, while NOT being too emotionally involved, so as to not cross professional boundaries. Best job so far: caregiver for my own partner. Rarely have to leave the house, never have to fake emotions or hold them back artificially, can problem solve, my work is genuinely appreciated, can meaningfully discuss problems. Caregiver isn't an obvious job for 5, but it can work if you're in touch with your emotions.
Yeah! I find mysekf not emotionally involved most of the times, but my dream job is being psychologist which actually involves socialising, being emotionally involved when needed, but also logical at times, and It may look like it's not good job for a 5, but I'm so ito it and I love to be my "friends groups psychologist" as i like to call it. We are not emotionless and we can take care of people very well, It just depends on how is this planned out
oh my GOD college admissions! Didn’t even think about that. I thought you were gonna do a job where you have to be alone most of the time or that doesn’t have a strong community for the 2s, but a job where you gotta hurt people is wayyyy worse.
You acting out type 1 gave such strong Amy Santiago energy :D and also, very accurate. As a 1, if I don’t live up to my standard, things are not going to go well
I don’t think type 8s want to be the boss, they just don’t want to report to idiots…. there are very limited options so we end up HAVING to be the boss because there aren’t options 😂😂😂
Lol wow! Type 1 here. I got my degree in musical theatre but ultimately decided that that is a passion but likely not a career for me. A year after graduating I was an elementary music teacher for a year and it was my least favorite job I’ve ever had 😂 and you literally mentioned both of those things as no go careers for 1s! My mouth dropped! Lol
I'm a 5 and a secretary, which suits me just fine. I work mostly on my own, don't have much contact with other than a few colleagues, and I get to be detail-oriented. Only trouble is that I struggle to speak up at meetings, because I feel I need to know more before speaking. But I'm getting better 🙂 Worst job I ever had was in McDonald's. Not me at all.
I'm 8w7 and I was secretary for one year and a half for a tax consultant, but I was very lucky because my boss was the kindest person in the world, very good with everyone, even when he wanted a copy or a document or that I call someone, he asked that in a way that seems like he was asking me for a favor, not like in a bossy way at all. So I was feeling like I was taking care of him 🤣 Also I had the freedom and power to set his agenda and to be firm with customers that didn't want to pay 😌
I’m a 7w8 but good god did I feel the 8 one… I’m a stay at home mom so no “official job” in the workforce…but my husband basically says this is why even if I did work, I couldn’t do it for very long… I’m a passive enfp, but I will flip to a very aggressive ESTP if the environment I’m in, isn’t up to par…and most workplaces want yes men, and barely function properly.
As a Type 4, I hate the idea of working a desk job, something that anyone or everyone does. I can’t imagine because another cog in a machine, I want to be the one finding beauty in said machine and living a life that is unique and different :)
I’m a type 4, and I had to take an accounting class for my business minor. It has been the worst class I have ever taken, because of the repetitive nature of the homework and class. I could never be an accountant ever. It felt like my creativity was completely squashed.
Type 5 who used to work retail. I was the type that would form a strategy for the smallest detail and I was good at it until a customer became unreasonably awful. There were a few occasions I turned into that 8 after being insulted or threatened--they thought a short, Asian lady wouldn't fight back. So you are right. I put 200% into that job but it's better that I stay far away from anything related to customers.
Yes the strategizing was one of the fun aspects. I used to plan tasks to take me away from the front lines. Going into 8 mode is great for catching thieves and quick change artists. I also was assumed to be an easy target lol.
Yeah I'm a type 1 bartender and I love it. The jobs I found hard as a 1 was anything where I was told that speed was vastly more important than the quality of the work and was punished for being slow due to trying to do the job at a high standard.
Funny thing, I'm a 7w6 data analyst and sales op specialist. So, my job is to fill data and organized customer's database. I love my job because I can learn about our company and customers, I can listen to music and go to my 5 sides quicker. Also, I have a great marketing and advertising background, sooo I'm the full package =P
Another horrible job for ennegram 9's is a real estate agent... negotiating a difficult escrow is a nightmare for a 9... I would know cause I'm a 9 and I was an agent for 3 years
8w7 here and i would literally jump off a cliff than not be doing what I wanna do/undermined and underpaid, I hate corporate culture lmao. my ideal field of choice is humanitarian/social justice and diplomacy, where I can debate and give tangible policy ideas while representing an entity that aligns with my interests!
i was mistyped as a 3 way back but I relate to 3 a lot so when you pulled out the ghostwriter card I snorted, I love to write but would *Die* if I had to ghostwrite!! i would love to publish serious works under my name and if I'm stretching it, publish romance/fantasy novels under a pseudonym because I have a pretty serious irl image so it won't bode well with it XD
After watching this I just have to say, you're doing an amazing job with this channel. I appreciate your content and look forward to your videos *hugs*
As an Ennegram 7w8 I’m currently working as an admin assistant, and it’s a pretty miserable experience for me... I’ve only stuck to it this long because it’s temporary while I study to have a job I really want!
Ahaha 5w6 here Been in pet retail for 6 years 😂 I'm not here to say you're wrong because all of the negatives discussed are definitely things I hate. However I have been able to research and learn pet nutrition and products and I love customers who want ALL info and allow me to just dump info on them. I now work on the website for the shot and I love it so much. Flexibility, no registers, no phone calls, sometimes I do product photography, and I process online orders. I love it but probably because pet food keeps evolving and allows me to learn new things. If I got yelled at for folding shirts wrong I'd leave on the spot.
I'm 5w4, I agree. Learning a new skill, even just simplistic as retail can be enjoyable. Business is so much more multi-layered then generally assumed. Strategizing how to do business well and conserve social energy can be tricky, but so doable!
@@hannahhutchison1177 it's also helped me to realize I am capable of being a boss one day and learning my limits. I love business and am shooting to be my own boss.
Not gonna lie I didn’t think this was going to be accurate, but as usual, you nailed it! I’m a type 4 receptionist and when I have to do accounting sometimes I feel like falling asleep. And to think I went to school for accounting and absolutely hated it! (4w5)
Abbey, this is hilarious! 🤣 I cracked up when you got to Type 1. It's exactly how I would respond if I was in that job. Thank you for your fun videos. 💖
I'm a 5w6 in customer service. It's very hard to have to acknowledge that "The customer is always right" and to force a smile. Can't wait to finish college and start a career.
I am 8 and I agree pretty much. I am not a boss I am an assistant lol I am a good tram player but I do get upset if the boss gives something to one n not the other..that's when I fall apart lol
As a type 6 I understand the negatives of freelancing. However, I also wing 7, and I tend to appreciate freelancing more now than I did a few years ago. With that wing 7 I see why I rather freelance than work full time in one place, not to mention when I get consistent freelancing jobs, I get paid more in a day than if I worked full time.
Yes, the hiding and memorizing the spots to hide. Also always needing to do tasks away from the customers. Mainly popping up to solve problems like register errors. Fixing the registers was always fun.
8: I felt seen IMMEDIATLY, in that intro! Yes to all!!!!! I'm currently working on a project where I feel undervalued and not in control and I want to quit right now! I'm fully aware of my Enneagram and how to control it, but I can only do so much. 8 w/ 7: Explains why being a Customer Service Agent made me want to unalive myself and why Multimedia Entertainment Journalist is THE GOAL.
Type 8 here and that is pretty much accurate. I have worked as a Secretary but as long as I had support of Management then it's an amazing environment. I use that opportunity to learn HOW Management thinks, and what they value (to become one, one day). When Managers are abusive or start bullying employees (especially when I was contractor)... I ALWAYS spoke the truth. Even if I pissed all of the midlevel Managers off. lol. Don't care. I will always speak honesty. That lost me some jobs but at least I can sleep at night. I will always stand up for the employees, the vulnerable and underdog. At least now I'm working for the Government where Employees are valued.
I worked in retail and in hospitality as a 5 and what I brought to the job more than excellent customer service was knowing the business and products inside out and quickly training others. If someone would have come up to me with "other colours", I would help them find an outfit that fit their needs and bodytype much better than whatever they were looking for. I obsessively researched Kibbe and such in my free time while I worked for an international clothing chain on the weekends, and more often than not, customers bought what I told them to buy.
I'm a 9 and my worst job was in retail with an obsessive KPI sales culture and being micromanaged and bullied by a very unhealthy-8-like manager. It was the first thing in my 21 years of life (including school bullying, struggling at uni and parental attachment issues) that had ever damaged my self-esteem. But now I'm 25 and in two weeks I'm going to finally start my career-starting job as a provisional Psychologist working in youth mental health :)
100% agree on the type 1 no bartender lolz. Funnily enough my type 6 sister is a teacher (stability, check) who runs a bartending biz on the side (her counterphobic is showing lolz). But Im a remote digital analyst who does geek out over doing reports and setting my own schedule. My previous role at the same company had varying deliverables, impossible timeframes and a micromanager, it was a perfectionist nightmare! Im also an aspiring writer who thoroughly enjoys the self-editing process :-) Hope you're doing great Abbey, take care of yourself 🤗❤😎.
7 here. I’d probably find a program online to automate my data entry so it takes 10 mins to do and I can spend the rest of the day watching RU-vid videos 😂
I’m a type 5 that works in retail & I knew you were going to say retail. I hate my job, I hate customers. I hate everything. So yeah. Definitely accurate.
I'm an Enneagram 1w2 and you hit the nail on the head. Jobs like those frustrate me to no end. For example, I majored in history in undergrad and historical research is diametrically opposed to my preferences. Historical research really requires a broad start. You can't be too specific, because that evidence might not exist. As an Enneagram 1, it was very stressful not having those clear guidelines. Legal research is soooooo much better.
Ha! 1w2 who used to be a college admissions counselor. I think twos would actually be great at a NON highly selective school. I didn't actually make final decisions on whether students were admitted; I just got to connect with my students and occasionally help them through the appeals process if they weren't initially admitted
Awesome video, as usual! However, as a Five (5w4), I am actually going into a public speaking position and I love it 😂 TV broadcasting is so enjoyable for me. But yes, retail sucks in that way, repetitive questions that suck my soul. Could you do videos about the Tritypes? I'm really curious about them. Pretty sure that I'm a 5,4,8.
OH MY GOD YES! As an 8, Exec. Assistants have a HARD job. Was my first job out of college & everytime I was asked to get a lunch order or run an errand I felt like I was the boss's wife or something... 😫😩Absolutely not for me.
My boyfriend is an 8, and he’s currently an associate at Home Depot. He’s extremely smart and hardworking, and his manager trusts him a LOT. I think they recognize that he’s competent enough to potentially be a manager. That being said, he hates his position right now. He keeps telling me that he wishes he was getting paid more - did I mention that picks up a LOT of other people’s slack? I’m finally realizing that his need to have a better paying job where he’s more “in control” is part of his personality!
as a type 5 lawyer here who also spent some time doing diplomatic jobs, I don't entirely agree with the part about politicians . I think for type 5s our worst type of job is one where we must continuously give ourselves emotionally and without sincerity such as a primary school teacher or a caregiver. it's hard for us to do that. I would argue that when type 5s are at their healthiest, they're at the forefront of the societal change that they want to see. we think critically and lengthily about things we feel passionate about in order to become experts, but we aim to share those thoughts with the world as we believe that we are offering a better option. a great example of this is Stephen Hawking!
I agree with that. I wonder though if politics may be draining since most of the work primarily involves people. Then again I survived retail for 8 years by mapping out pockets of time to myself. Perhaps political jobs have decent enough down time to counter balance the social demands. The expectations of the public may be considered tiring. Then again any 5 would probably need to strategize how to best avoid that pressure/drain on energy.
@@hannahhutchison1177 yes, at the end of the day it's all about strategy for us. I love conversing with clients and doing pro bono. but only when I plan pockets of time for myself (as you said). also my job is a lot of detail orientated paperwork too, so I do get a balance. we really are just creatures of schedule haha
As a 8w7 this speaks to me lmao. I worked on a data entry job and was underpaid and undervalued. It sucked so much I was very frustrated everyday and wished someone just stabbed me instead.
As a 9, i did not do well as a supervisor, because of the confrontation required and I felt like i was never allowed to make anyone happy without making someone else mad.
As a nine, I want to be an author. It requires a lot of accountability, which is hard, but it’s also nice because I get to escape into my little fantasy world, and I can do whatever I want. I’m a bit scared of publishing, because I’ll be putting myself in the truest form on a platter for all to see and criticize, and I’m scared of my escape and my friends to be micromanaged. And then changing everything to fit everyone else’s ideals even if there’s nothing wrong… My 4 older sister encourages me a lot when I get to that space though! I have a lot of people around me supporting me, and who I know will not hesitate to throw hands at anyone being unnecessarily mean..though I think the fact that they are willing is enough, I don’t want anyone to actually throw hands, because no one should be attacked for their preferences..maybe gently reminded that it is a preference, and not set in stone. But that’s besides the point. I love writing, and I hope I can build my career off of it!
Lol. I'm a 4 and an accountant. I actually really like restoring books and feeling irreplaceable, but it's not my passion. I've got to write a little each day.
Yes, agree, retail is totally terrible for a 5! Another horrible one for 5s is waitress. Wayyyyyy too off-the-cuff and improvisational. I completely shut down and under-functioned.
Hey guys I'm a 4w5 and I reallllly wanna learn more about the enneagram. I have seen the Richard Rohr lecture videos and some other stuff. But still I need more information. What are the topics I have to learn more about the enneagram?( Like the wings, triads etc.,) and are there any videos that you can recommend? What are the videos from this channel that can be helpful for me? (I know there are these books too but I don't think I'll finish reading them, and that will be a waste of money) I really want to get obsessed with the enneagram XD Btw Great video! I totally relate to what you said about 4s, before I clicked this video I was like, "Anything that involves working in a mundane office (which almost everyone does) and anything that has finance, does not work for me" because these kind of jobs are just meaningless and robotic like u said, especially since many people have these kind of jobs and it doesn't feel unique to me. Great explanation!! Sorry for the reaaaallly long comment lol
This was so funny! I was laughing out loud. The 2 was especially good. The worst job I ever had was retail. I thought everything about it was beyond asinine, and, unfortunately, I'm the kind of person who has a hard time hiding how I really feel, which did not go over well with the managers or the customers. To this day, I have nightmares about having to work retail again. I'm a 6w5, so even though I really hated that job, it didn't cause me as much anxiety as the job I have now which routinely lays off employees and reorganizes every year. I feel sick every time I get organizational announcements because I never know what fresh hell is coming my way. I worry that I'll lose this job, then have to go back to retail.
