Would These Shooter Heroes Survive the DOOM Invasion? (Responding to Comments Part 2) 

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People out here really saying "That's not fair" like the demons gonna fight fair

You telling me not to be offended makes me feel personally attacked.

8:58 Please remember that demon is an extremely offensive term, refer to them as “mortally challenged”

*Jekkad isn't a planet* Well technically, the Lore kinda heavily implied it to be the planet and universe. Davoth's Kingdom capital is called Immora so, it being the capital is out of the picture. Kinda vague but it's likely either the universe or the entire Universe AND it's timeline. (Cuz ID kinda... Slammed their games together, and you know how Quake is with their Megaverse shenanigans, which would imply that the realms are either Universe or Multiverse.) Plus the Maykr's being the technically assigned guardians of these timelines doesn't make the Realm of Jekkad being just a planet really convincing, plus with Davoth making them into a perfect society kinda undermines the fact that he _just_ gave them one planet, making it unbelievable that Jekkad is not a space-fairing race. (Plus Davoth is... Well... The Big G man with an obsession to his people.) Also for your point about Hell being a universe... Doom Artbook says that it's an outerversal entity. Says that it's *_Unlimited by Space, Time, and Dimension_* It doesn't make sense if you arbitrarily agree that it just talks about it being just another infinite universe, because it being unlimited should not even need to be mentioned, as it is just basically saying it's infinite like the rest of the universes out there. Which would require us to find another synonym to make he/she/it (it's alive) have a semblance of sense. Like Boundless. As to why it didn't just snap its fingers and gobble up everything, it's simply because it was said in the TAG codex book of the seraph part 1 that it was sealed away from the other verses by VEGA. _Foreseeing that Davoth's rule would ultimately grow to threaten all creation, and that Davoth would someday rise to challenge the Father himself, the creator of all things sealed Jekkad off from the myriad dimensions enfolded in his arms._ *Demons aren't Jekkadian's* Yeah, agree with your point. They kinda do and they kinda don't. *Jekkadian's weren't corrupted by Davoth's hatred* Yes they do. Doom 1-64 is with Doom guy fighting Hell without Hell having Argent energy. Reminder that Davoth and Doom guy are not affected by time shenanegans. And since Hell is a part of Davoth, it would mean that Hell also does not have any Argent by the start of the events of Doom 1-64 until Doom guy interacted with the Sentinel's. Also uh... Not to be hulk hogan here but, Brother, it was mentioned in the Book of the Seraphs part VIII. Which means it was not written by the Hell Priests. As said at the first sentence in part one of Eri Oa Hiim (book of the seraphs) *_Believing Jekkad rejected by their creator, hate grew within Davoth. Jekkad fell further into inequity as Davoth consumed all the realm in pursuit of his goals, and the Father sorrowfully sealed Jekkad away from the other realms._* Yes, Hugo did say that the Codex is written _Vaguely_ which he accomplished in doing by how much people have interpretation that is missing the goal and have a lot of holes in their own theory. And if I recall, Hugo said that before Tag 2. Back when I was thinking that Doom guy is a singular entity based on what I interpreted about it in the Divinity Machine codex. Which I was proven correct by the time TAG rolls around. No one expected Samur to even be a Maykr by the time Hugo said it. And when it was released, it cleared most things in the Doom lore and set the bar straight. Like Doom Guy and Davoth = Primevals. Samuel Hayden's reason why he knows Argent: He's a Maykr and the Seraphim that gsve Doom Guy some Primeval exp to level up. Etc. *DOOM Demons are Demon's* Technically they are based on them living in the actual place where the souls of the damned are in place (no, not you comitting evil and be pulled there. It is the place where souls are in their damnation). It's basically THE HELL of the entire ID verse. But if you're going with the bible... Eh... That's a person's personal perspective at that point. Also the Demons DO call themselves Demons. *_DOOM TESTAMENT 2_* Tempered by the fires of Hell, his iron will remained steadfast through the passage that preys upon the weak. For he alone was the Hell Walker, the Unchained Predator, who sought retribution in all quarters, dark and light, fire and ice, in the beginning and the end, and he hunted the slaves of Doom with barbarous cruelty; for he passed through the divide as none but *_demon_* had before. Reminder that the Doom Testament are not written and interpreted by the UAC. They excavated them and that the Demons made it to warn other Demon's to not wake Doom guy. 9:50 CLIP! I NEED TO CLIP THIS! Better yet, please tell me which stream is this from brother? *Some demons should not be a part of the invasion* Eh, agitate the wasp's nest enough, and everyone's going to pull up. By that I mean, it. As in the entire dimension. But if we are not going to count them, eh, the Icon of Sin is not considered as a Demon Lord. So Hell really is not out of options. *The Kahn Maykr was not corrupted by the Icon of Sin* Technically yes... Davoth owns Hell's Energy. He controls it. He did whisper into her ear to create the Divinity Machine before ever meeting Doom guy. *Demons don't bleed argent energy.* _Stops sipping tea_ ... What? WHAT THE FU- _Due to a technological problem, we have abruptly cut the broadcast. Please wait for a couple of minutes for us to fix this technical issue._ *Doom guy is faster than time* Yes. Hell is not confined to the laws of Space-Time. It is outside of time, a place where time is absent. Where space is absent. You know this. Doom guy didn't just get knocked out by a temple. He got knocked out by a temple instantly falling down to him. Which is a more believable idea because Doom guy tanked Vega's core explosion and he didn't get knocked out cold. Also the captain cold to flash example is more of a writer's fault. Especially in comics where everyone just write whatever. Also that's not speed, that's reaction time, brother. Anyway, the main reason why it's called infinite/immeasurable speed is simply because Speed is calculated by dividing the distance to your destination and the time it took for you to reach it. If something is traveling faster than time, they'll have immeasurable/infinite speed. It doesn't mean that it is truely infinite, it just has an incomputable speed. Which is why there are beings like Granolah in Dragon Ball who can out teleport Goku's teleportation speed. *The Imp's Attacks are hotter than the sun.* I wholeheartedly agree. It is hotter than the sun. *Demon's lack combat skills and intelligence* I agree with your point. Not the title of the segment for those of you who are reading this. Someone's gotta install technologies on the Mancubuses and other demon's. They're not 'intellectually challenged' individuals. *The Demons can be hurt by conventional weaponry* I agree with your point brother. But Doom guy didn't tamper with the timelines. He is a singular entity, like you said in the past remember? He doesn't have a past or present. His timeline and universe is gone. Also, no. This is not disproved by the Divinity Machine codex. It clarifies it. Let me explain: The Maykr's are able to see everything. Yet they need to create a machine to guess who is the destroyer. Which is the fishy part of the codex entry, and why I guessed correctly that Doom guy IS a singular entity. Why does the Khan need to build the Divinity Machine to FIND a foreseen threat that she can just look at the future of who that is herself? Well, it's simply because this is a being that she cannot find. This is also the unanswered question that I have before TAG 2 was released: How did she foresee the coming of the Destroyer? The answer is in part 8 of the Book of the Seraph's. "But now the Dark Lord whispers lies and deceptions about the Father to his praying minions in Hell, while he rages, trapped in the Tomb of Souls. For even without a physical form, *_gods may yet influence the realms._* " Davoth gave her those visions. A vision of another Primeval, one that he knows that is in Hell, of whom he purposely more than likely sent to Argent D'nurr and orchestrated Doom Guy's rise to power. Which is the reason why VEGA said that he was also made by Davoth after the Davoth boss fight. Davoth created/orchestrated the Legend of the Doomslayer.

Getting killed by a demon doesn't always get your soul sent to hell and turned into a demon: The sentinel spirits we see in 2016 and eternal are just fine even though codex said they were killed by demons. Also, the ending of Doom 2 says bad people do get sent to hell.

Gordon freeman would sleep trough the demonic invasion of earth So he survives

Sci fi heroes vs Halo Flood Invasion

I say we need Dante + Bayonetta vs Doom 😂

15:04 The Doom Slayer has Immeasurable Speed when he defeated the Khan Maykr and Samur Maykr the Seraphim with their wings traveling through dimension through sheer speed alone. If you don't know what Immeasurable Speed it just means having enough to speed to travel through time via raw speed alone we call this immeasurable speed because it breaks the speed formula of speed is equal to distance overtime and is way faster than Infinite Speed and Inaccessible Speed because it allows you to arrive before you even left.

I'm pretty sure the father is still present after his death and does help doom Slayer cuz he simply doesn't care that doom guy killed him

my personal theory is that Doom 1 and 2's doomguy is same person as doomslayer (which he is according to lore) but doom 1 and 2 were completely different timelines than doom 2016+eternal (alternate reality), however. Hell is one, Doom 3 is another complete different timeline with it's own doomslayer. There was a theory that Doom 3's final mission has a sarcophagus which might be the doomslayer as the sarcophagus decribes it as "martian hero". Basically there are multiple doom timelines but our main hero is doomslayer with probably few variants of different doomslayers (like doom 3) who aren't as strong as our doomslayer since he is the original one. Most of timelines are probably conquered by demons because of argent energy boost they have gotten.

it would be very interesting to see if the armored core 6 universe could survive the doom invasion considering that they have coral wich is very similar to argent

I have another shooter hero that could go on the list and that is Cole Macgrath from Infamous. Hear me out his games have his electric powers as part of the third person shooter stuff like you could shoot out electric grenades as well grenades, take cover, use his multiple different lightning bolts and electric Rockets as projectiles and etc. he fits the Shooter description. There are also two coles you can use, good cole and evil cole (who has the power of the Beast in the second game’s bad ending). I also want to see how his ability to Bio Leech people will affect Demons with Argent Energy

I should also point out that the earth he goes to in 2016 and the original one is from two different ones. This was explained and when the first game came out that he goes to a different earth also being invaded because there’s universes so there’s multiple earths.

One thing I always thought about the timeline (could be wrong) was that while the Slayer is on mars in his Coffin, Doomguy has just been stationed on Mars, and tye events of DOOM 1 and 2 are happening mere hours before The Slayer wakes up, which is why in 2016 you get to the Icons arena and it's dead, because Past Doomguy was already just here a little while ago, but went another way and got sucked back in time to Argent D'Nur, while The Slayer carried on to The Well, making the timeline a time loop until the end of TAG2 where The Slayer kills Davoth

your example of the flash is the result of outliers tbh the flash is in fact infinite/immeasurable (in some continuities), getting hit with stuff is an outlier and shouldnt be taken into account, unless of course the person is also infintie/immeasurable (like superman for example)

9:09 There's a sarcophagus in Doom 3 wich hint's that the character sealed inside was the slayer.

Guardians and warframes are just too strong the next video better have at least one of them

15:36 I can explain this, said person is fast enough to travel through time, and they go to a different dimension e.g Archie sonic, also with the infinite, it’s because it’s not an amount that can be calculated which it really should just be called immeasurable speed, which some people do call it, and even so, infinities can be greater than one another aka the fact that pi is technically smaller than an infinite number that has 4.6340 at the start or something.

Does any shooter character have the ability to take hits from the demons and live besides doom guy because it sounds like it doesn’t

For the flash arguement you forgot wally and Barry can control their speeds but not time itself reverse flash even brings it up in the comics and movies

personally i would like to see you redo some of the universes vs a realistic doom invasion some day, to see which ones could survive the "first wave" but at the same time even if they do beat back the demons at first hell would just come back with a second round of even more powerful demons so even if they do beat the demon's "first wave" they'd still have to go up against the stronger and more powerful demons in the end so they'd likely still get wrecked but it would be nice to know if the universes could at least survive the first "round" of the invasion

Not denying the infinite speed thing isn't weird, but let's say it just allows them to get from point A to point B. Like they need to be at "infinite speed" in order to get past the walls of an ever expanding universe

The Destiny Guardians would be a great matchup against the demons

Love your stuff bro. I found your channel from your first doom video and I fell in love with your content man. Keep up the good stuff

Gotta say, Im a fan of you content, and I have a vid suggestion that can work: Which video game chatacter can take on Task Force 141 from COD MW. (Some candidates can be from Far cry, Spec ops the Line, Ghost recon, ect)

I like to interpret infinite speed as the character having no limit to how much they can accelerate. Like how a car can only accelerate 200 MPH, the character does not have that limit. Now when two characters with infinite speed fight, it really only comes down to who can accelerate faster.

We need an eldin ring vs the doom invasion

I guess people are thinking demons from Doom are stupid, lol. If cyberpunk, crisis and etc can't take them out. Then they didn't paid attention to the lore of doom series, lol.

Still waiting for warhammer 40k, devil may cry, and Owerwach. Love your content even if they aren't there but that would be the cherry on top(happy that warframe is making it but I don't know how you beat warframe since you said that there is some stuff you didn't mention that could win)

Goddamn i love these videos

Put my man v1 on the next video

Bro I set up all night, and the first thing I see when I look at my phone is this dumbasses video, I love it!

Thanks for clarifying. I still think your wrong on alot of levels but I definitely see where your coming from

For Jekkad being corrupted by argent, I still disagree with considering argent wasnt created until after hell started invading argent'd' nur. Plus with Davoth was stated to be sealed with Jekkad quote: "The maykrs acted in secret and worked quickly to seal Jekkad away, and Davoth with it , while the records if Urdak were rewritten to hide the truth." Although this doesn't really change the outcome of any part of the challenge

Open world heroes vs Ark

I would like to see you do one but with weapons. Like I don't know if any of the Turok's would be the best to deal with the Invasion. But he does have some strong enough weapons. I would like to know what weapons would be powerful enough to kill them. like the Chronoscepter, Cerebral bore, and Dark matter cube. There's also Spirit mode were everything slows down and you invincible.

18:06 Are you talking about the Planck temperature? You could technically go higher but we have no idea what would happen if you did. Our current understanding of physics can't explain it.

Day 3 asking skyrim vs doom demon Invasion

Infinite is sort of BS, in that you can still have different levels of infinity.

Epic battle fantasy series vs doom demon invasion be fun match to see how far can get

11:04 Yay! Warframe mentioned! Rhino + Ripkas + Tigris + Any pistol! Yippee!

The positivity here is so refreshing. Thank you, everyone!

From what I understand their are higher infinites than others so ♾️^2 is faster than just ♾️ etc etc but I may be miss remembering stuff

When starbound character (protector)

Doom lore is just interesting like this stuff is so great.

I feel like this series shows why space magic vs sci fi doesn’t work in a vs setting

Warframe mentioned my previous comments in other videos MIGHT happen I now wait anxiously

All this video tells me is that i want you to cover the doom lore

Im not gonna lie the only character from fiction ive ever seen with a valid argument for infinite speed is Minato Namikaze from Naruto and thats just because he actually does have to travel the distance he moves when he uses Flying Raijin

If it was only the argent energy that corrupted all the different beings, but you yourself said argent wasn't a thing until the Kahn maykr collaborated with the demons to create it. How could there be demons before the argent existed? Because Davoths hatred turned them into demons. Then later argent was made with made the corruption almost instantaneous

If you were to expand this series to not shooter franchises, which franchise do you feel have the best shot to fight off the invasion? I personally would say that, if the pokedex is at all accurate, Pokemon would have a better shot than most of the franchises you have posted so far. I mean, if the average Gardevoir could create small black holes, than the Heavy Demons would have a very hard time going up against the average Ace Trainer, let alone the Gym Leaders, which is cannon to be holding back in their fights. And that's not counting the Legendaries and Mythicals. So, that would be an interesting match-up for the Demons to try and take over.

Hey could you do a Raputer invasion I understand Marauders could take out the strongest opponents like Big sisters even main characters like Jack or Delta probably couldn't handle the Spider commander however they would be there for Adam increasing the already op demon's with tonics with them just sending small and weak once.

Be sure to do Warframe in this hypothetical.

Bro you made me realise how fuckin stupid DOOM lore is. To me ever since childhood it was "ha ha demons die to gun with funny name" . DOOM's lore nowadays is so convoluted and stupid and I cannot bring myself to hate that.

Good job on 6K subs

Good thing I'm a republican. Individual rights, beliefs, opinion and responsibilities matters where I'm from. The rights of the minority are respected and supported. I don't get easily offended. Great video btw, it adds more to my insight in DOOM.

Fair enough I agree with everything

About the demon blood, what about the cacodemon? They bleed like a purply blue color.

Other universes I'd like to see in this series: - God of War - The Boys - The Invincible (main universe) - MCU (main universe) - Star Wars - Star Trek - Spawn - Warhammer 40k - Monsterverse - Mortal Kombat - DOOM universe without Slayer

the flash segment felt more like a complaint about western comic continuity, which i honestly get lol the flash is both fast enough to run faster than instant teleportation, and slow enough to get hit by flying saws shot by the joker depending on who is writing the story, there's 0 consistency, and it makes scaling comic characters very annoying

Make a ultrakill vs doom invasion video

Do you think you could make a part 3 to the shooter hero’s surviving a demon invasion with the master chief and the halo universe

I'm reaching out for your prayers and support. Please keep me in your thoughts for a speedy recovery.

I always thought the Earth from Doom 1-64 was just a separate universe

The reason the flash is sometimes faster then time en sometimes slow is because of the writers that should be obvious

you should put god level beings against the doom univers beings like cathulu

How accurate is the movie depiction?

Your last argument just tells me that Doom Guy did a NewGame+ by accident. Would you be willing to do a mock video using the demons from before they got buffed up with argent?

I thought Doomslayer arrived in a different version of the universe, not just in the future or past?

I would suggest Halo universe, but it's going to be a curbstomp. I don't think it would be interesting but I would like your take on that so Halo vs Doom Invasion

so in the next episode it will be the turn of 40k and fallout?

Well, Captain Cold designs his freeze rays to counter the speed force. Not only that, but in one of the older comics, Flash crossed a infinite space. But that's just what I've heard on a few occasions.

I hope you do Halo (modern and ancient) or Star Wars at some point

16:48 yeah stick to doom dude ☠️ marvel dc characters actually have immeasurable/infinite speed. Theres things called plot induced stupidity. Thats why flash and many other characters lose to weaker beings. And also because they hold back.

Does anyone think well be fighting an arch deamon in doom the dark ages

Please do Skyrim vs doom invasion please!!!

Hell is a dimension along with urbak it is stade that urdick is the sixth universe

There are different levels of infinite. Infinite means impossible to measure or calculate. So one person's speed can be infinite yet another person who has "more infinite " speed can dodge them.

There is such a thing as bigger infinities. Like how there are infinite prime numbers yet there are more numbers then prime numbers. So if someone has Universal infinite speed versus multiversal infinite speed the multiversal infinite speed would win. Is the stupid yes is it mathematically sound also yes.

moving faster than time is impossible, that's not possible within our physics, or understanding as physics, seeing as faster than "time" a concepts we humans created to define the infinetly flowing thing that affects all thing within existence, moving faster than time can only be defined as moving so fast that the time you're dividing the formula by is 0, and when you divide by zero you get a number infinetly positive and negative and imposibly quantifiable so if some being actually moves faster than time they might as well have completely broken physics

Can you do utlrakill vs. Doom Invasion?

ok is it just me or is the audio jumping around in my ears from left to right?

Tyranids vs Doom demons.

I've been saying for a long time...in Doom the little pamphlet that came with the game stated Doomguy's squad received a distress signal from Mars and went to investigate. In Doom 3 either the marine sends a distress signal or the evil scientist does. My head canon, the two signals are one and the same. I haven't played Doom 64 and that's about it. I am as down with the lore as you. Been a Doomer since 1995.

Bit of real science and some... Eldritch theory for you... Real science: Surface of the sun is about 10,000F on average. Core of the sun is about 27,000,000F. Temperature of a bolt of lightning is about 20-60,000F. temperature of a quasar is about 72,000,000,000,000F(theoretical). Reading extremely high temperatures especially in atmosphere can be extremely inconsistent as while something can be extremely hot its effective thermal impact on the surroundings can extremely low depending on the energy density. That scientist saying the imp's fireballs are hotter then existence can get to is almost certainly laughably inaccurate and a proper peer review would likely easily contradict it. Even if the core of the bolt is that hot it may be a simple case of a single particle of power at its hottest point. How hot can that get? 2.55×10^32 F also known as absolute hot. At that temperature the laws of physics breakdown, and is also the temperature of a Planck particle. But of course this is argent energy fueled magic so lets step into the dark and learn a possibility. The idea that they can exist within hell and display great unfathomable power makes sense as hell is their homeland and saturated in the stuff that they are made of. However, that goes out the window as soon as they leave hell. I'm not saying they are weak outside of hell, just the power they use becomes a lot more limited once they depart. Think of it as your soul in a realm of souls is god-like as instead of tapping into your pool of radiant essence you can interact with the stuff around you to reshape reality and interact with it versus use your own specific pool. The best observation of this comes from the Cyberdemon Boss fight. Specifically, in the first stage you defeat it by pulling out its power tank of argent energy at which point it promptly collapses unable to keep itself running in the real world without that supplemental supply. Luckily for it, shortly after Doom Guy is pulled into hell right afterwards where the Cyberdemon doesn't need that supplemental energy and is able to begin using more of its powers as well as effecting the environment with magic. In hell, doom guy cant depower it because it has vastly more power to pull from the environment, instead he overtaxes its ability to channel power in a battle of wills manifested as physical combat and once it is vulnerable finishes it with an attack that disperses its essences via destruction of its avatars vulnerable head. This was a real battle in the real world using normal physics for the most part and the Cyberdemon's avatar in the real world had to follow the rules of the form it took. It foolishly kept the same form when Doom Guy ended up in hell and as a result kept the real world vulnerabilities that came along with it. Ultimately this suggests in hell demons are much more powerful then when they aren't in hell, and their magic can account for many of the superior performance points they have but outside of hell theirs only so much they can sustain while there. This is where their biggest weakness lies, to stay powerful they need gates open at all times to keep their existence in contact with our own and a steady supply of that energy flowing or they will find themselves suddenly limited to what the physics of our reality permit and what lingering power their form can sustain in our own(which obviously can be a lot with the more powerful beings). Obviously most of their shells are crafted using magic powered enhancement so that can be a lot but the fact that the Cyberdemon drops like a load of bricks when his power cell was yoinked shows that should they lose contact a steady supply they will find themselves on borrowed time. On the assumption that their bodies are formed via solidified magic like the various argent weapons this translates to in the absence of a steady flow their bodies must ration the argent energy within or find themselves unable to attack, unable to survive or both. Stronger enemies would naturally have more argent energy reservoirs and the magics used to create their shells would be built stronger to accommodate. This implies that their bodies are less durable then they appear because while they can withstand the insane power of argent energy its because the same reality warping magic that enables an imps fireball to not instantly kill and scorch everything within miles when it enters existence may be be applied to control how the argent energy interacts with the matter of their bodies. There's a obscene amount of space between particles, it may be they use magic to keep argent energy out of contact with the vulnerable fleshy bits while channeling that magic energy to improve physical performance when they need to during attacks. This could imply that during attacks they pump more of that power contained within for feats of strength and power but surely do not constantly burn that power when not needed, like an body builder able to lift 800 pounds but also able to throttle themselves to not crush a water bottle when they pick it up. Essentially, apparent power scaling can be wildly inaccurate whenever magic is at play because clever use of magic could cause a reading to be off the scale when in reality the instrument is fundamentally incapable of understanding the result presented to it. I can throw a fireball ten times the surface temperature of the sun, but without a huge quantity of energy at that temperature, much like a bolt of lightning the most dramatic result is often an exploded tree, while the same lightning bolt only burns humans a little bit and they often survive with a bit of nerve damage or gnarly scarring as a result. This won't stop an infrared reading from telling me the sun has come to earth for a fraction of a second.

You should put Warframe against Doom.

He didn’t time travel, he went to a different universe. Think of Creation as a bubble. Inside that bubble is Jekkad AKA Hell, Urdak AKA Heaven, and the multiverse which includes multiple different universes. This is inferred by the Kahn Maykr saying she could give Doomguy back what the demons took from him, ie his family and home world. She was saying she can take him to his original universe. Hell and Urdak are multiversal constructs that exist above the multiverse of the DOOM cosmology and can access all other universes. The only reason Doomguy came to his current universe is because he was brought there by the UAC run by Samuel Hayden. In conclusion he wasn’t time traveling, he was just in a different universe. The reason DOOM 2016 was basically a copy of the original game was because that is what it was meant to be by design of the game developers.

Hope we see Halo on this series soon

In the first video you said that Davoth was released from vega's seal because slayer killed the icon of sin but in the dlc he had to collect the soul spheres which had davoth and the father's spirits inside and he broke the father's sphere which means that he is a free unkillable spirit that can rule the universe while davoth got his body back and died Also please consider if other universes can close the portal like doom guy did in 64

Jekkad IS Hell. Jekkad was what Hell was called before Davoth fell and corrupted Jekkad and turned it into the Hell we see now. It was the first dimension created by Davoth ever. So Jekkad is actually not just a planet, but an infinite beyond universal structure.

Warframe would probably survive edit I stand corrected he brought up warframe

people Infinite speed can touch other people with infinite speed, because they both have infinite speed. Im not saying doom guy has inf speed, but im saying that if someone has unlimited speed, then only someone with unlimited speed can handle them, a car can match the speed of a car, a plane matches a planes speed, etc. Yes, low examples, but examples to show someone of equal speed can touch someone of equal speed. Plus, speed is relative, so someone with inf speed meeting another person with inf speed would just be like if 2 random men met and were surrounded by snails. As for the flash argument, plot, sometimes they downplay speedsters for the sake of the plot, wouldn't be entertaining if the flash just one shotted captain cold or Mr. freeze at the speed of light.

16:50 Yeah well that is more of the TV show having very awful writing. Really it depends on the writer even in that show he was shown to outspeed bullets yet the cold gun's icicle was too fast for him. Then again it depends, Flash I think can be argued to be Immeasurable since in the comics he beat two gods in a race, where the gods could teleport. Like how does someone measure of speed someone who was faster than instant teleportion? I think Immeasurable speed is a dumb thing with a handful of characters being able to actually be able to be called to have it.

I feel like you can't be stretching with interpretations of Doom universe and not with others, of course many univereses would die/fail to repel an invasion if you let one side basically cheat.

The Doom 3 thing comes off to me as another instance of canon being used wrong. Doom 3 is canon, it's just not contiguous. The difference being canon determines what is possible, continuity determines what actually happens in the story. Multiple continuities can happen within the same canon. Doom 3, is therefore just a separate continuity.

the flash doesnt count like a point since hes so nerfed, at one point he was farter than instant teleportation flash gets nerf so he doesnt stop anything like flash is stronger than superman and shazam is stronger than flash, and they still lose to batman, dc is nerf or nothing

I’ll give you credit I didn’t know that whole last bit of information about how doom guy basically went back in time

Another gripe: you say the Maykrs were corrupted by the introduction of Argent Energy, but the reason they made a deal with hell to make it is because it can be used to reverse their transfiguration. Those aren't technically mutually exclusive, but again again, Demons (mostly) don't use Argent weapons, they use Hell Energy attacks and weapons, and the Sentinels who remained loyal stopped using argent weapons and went back to pure Wraith and Sentinel weapons. Only the traitors and the more advanced or powerful demons use argent energy weapons. (That's why the Marauders Axe, Valens Hammer, and the Crucibles are Red but the energy attacks of Imps, Gargoyles, Barons, Arch Viles, etc, are orange or green, and why the Sentinels who come to help you in tag2 use blue and white weapons, and the maykrs all use yellow attacks.) Edit: you cover this. I wrote this like two minutes in lol. Oops