Ginger, research isn't that hard in 2024. If you would have done some, the roof at CPA in Seattle is a a historical landmark in that state, and they couldn't tear it down. Do better please.
I don't think this kid has ever been to the Delta Center. It's actually a very up to date and nice arena despite its outside appearance. TMobile Arena looks far smaller from the outside, and they hold 17k plus. There is plenty of room to get that inside the arena. It makes perfect sense. This kid just likes brand new everything.
Most of what he says is conjecture and opinion. He never does very much research and criticizes everything, especially arenas/stadiums older than 5 years old.
The arena only seems to be an issue for anyone who doesn't know anything about Utah. They want to stay in the center of downtown Salt Lake. There simply isn't the land to build a new arena around there unless they were to completely demolish the Delta Center, and that's not an option. Bettman and the board of governors are happy with the plan and Utah fans are happy with the plan because although the Delta Center might not mean much to anyone outside of Utah, for Utah sports fans, it's iconic. If you would go watch interviews or the press conference they held, you would know their plan for renovation. Next summer they'll renovate the seating on one side of the arena (behind the goals) and the summer after that they'll do the other side. This isn't a full remodel of the inside, it's just two sides of it that will only take two summers to complete.
I wonder why they can’t just build a new arena on the empty block across south temple from the delta center? I love the DC, but even the sideline views are bad for hockey.
Total Bologna! Off the Redwood Road exit, is a huge piece of land, with an abandoned hotel, and right across the street is the old abandoned ABF freight terminal. That tract is big enough to put the arena on. After all, the Miller group has renderings for a ML ballpark there. The arena doesn't need to be right in the center of downtown. That is ludicrous and nothing but propaganda. Smith is a charlatan and lied about everything!
It's odd to think that Delta Center would mean very little to people outside Utah. It's arguably one of the most important and iconic arenas remaining in the NBA. It's where Stockton broke the all-time assists record. It's where he broke the all-time steals record. It's where the 1997 and 1998 Finals took place; two of the three highest-rated/watched NBA Finals in history. It's where Game 4 took place (Stockton's full-court pass to Malone that won the game). It's where The Flu Game took place (Game 5, 1997). It's where Jordan's final game as a Bull occurred (Game 6, 1998). For anyone that really cares about the NBA and its history, it's arguably one of the Top 5 most important arenas in existence. It also was uniquely built so far as how the seating was originally designed to cantilever over the floor, creating huge sound volume and intimidation for opposing teams. You'd think that all the people that still obsess over Jordan, and The 90s NBA as a whole, would realize how important this arena is in that history.
Demanding new stadiums every 20 years is wasteful. Just rebuild. Also any renovation to an existing building shouldn't cost a billion. Not even half a billion.
Depends sometimes renovating ends up being more or not worth the price of remodel. I would say Jacksonville should just build something new at this point.
Depressed Ginger I don't believe you've been to the Delta Center in the last 2 years. The renovation was massive. Fixing the seating is really the best route with this.
@@JayRoberts244doubt it. He really needs to though. As much as I’m not a fan of SLC, the Delta Center is placed in the best available spot in SLC. But I agree with some of the points he’s making. UT renovating the Delta Center is probably not going to make it one of the better arenas in the NBA/NHL. But the retrofit has got to look good for NHL games otherwise you’ll look like a bunch of 🤡.
I actually like the exterior of Climate Pledge Arena it reminds me of the coliseum here in Portland were you have light coming in through the windows. I also like the 60’s era architecture. I know that building has been there since the world’s fair back in 62 and they did a good job renovating the stadium and making both new and classic at the same time.
I think it's the same with Delta Center. I bet Utah politicians told Smith that he's got to stay downtown, and they hold all the cards as he would need permitting and rezoning approval for another site, and they likely wouldn't give it to him, so renovating the Delta Center was the only option. Plus, Smith owns the Delta Center, so the $900M in tax dollars will pay for a heck of a lot in renovations to his arena.
No, the Sonics left because Seattle wouldn't fund a new arena. There were multiple ideas presented in the area for building a new arena, but the sonics wanted the public to pay for it.
@@briand5083 Yes they can. Where's he going to play if not the Delta Center? If he tries to build a new arena (even if he funds the whole thing privately), good luck getting the land he targets rezoned and permitted for the new arena. Politicians at the city/county/state level have to approve the rezoning and permitting, and they can simply say no. If so, end of new arena project.
@@michaelmarkowski204 Salt Lake City limits are fairly small. There are plenty of suburbs to choose from that would gladly take the Jazz. One idea had them going to Draper.
The issue isn’t the delta center. The issue is having two teams in one arena. The NHL will eventually want their team to have their own arena. It happened in Arizona, it will 100% happen in Utah. Not a great start for hockey in Utah
I’m starting to get to a point where I can’t listen to people talk about stadiums or arenas unless they’ve actually been to it. Also, someone please show this dude how to properly research!
Look, the Blue Jays just demolished the whole lower bowl of the Rogers Centre, and rebuilt it in 5 months. That's a much bigger project than this would be.
I actually like the exterior of Climate Pledge Arena. What exactly is wrong with it? It's got a retro look, but it's not aged, and look sleek and clean.
People with sports venues are irrational. They think they need to be torn down and rebuilt every 20-30 years to match the latest and greatest sports venues constructed. He's been critical of the Delta Center and other venues build during the same time frame by saying they have an outdated 90's look to them. Well, yeah, they were built in the 90's. My house was built in the 1960's. Should I tear it down and build a new one to match the look of homes built today? Should cities tear down their downtown areas and rebuild to modernize the look? I thought that was always an interesting thing about cities. They have buildings that have different looks based on the era in which they were built.
During the preconference, it was mentioned that the Delta Center possesses strong foundational elements, and the preference is to retain its downtown location. It is important to remember that the LDS Church occupies a significant portion of the downtown property.
This guy doesn’t get it. We can tell he’s not from Utah. It’s no space going down the wastch front. They just renamed the arena back to the delta center so it’s a lot of history there. No one is saying to tear down the staples or msg. We glorify those arena cause of the history well damn it the delta center is the same. Also to the Utahns that wanna move from the city to the suburbs good luck getting home if you live from Draper to Provo. I15 and state street is already bad after games and now y’all wanna move it closer to where you live. No chance. One last thing having an arena downtown is so much fun than the suburbs it’s more things to do. Bar hop, restaurants etc. I hope they keep the delta but redo the inside and I’m excited for the current and future professional sports in Utah!!!!
I think you'll get your wish. Smith owns the Delta Center and Utah politicians said he'd get $900M if an NHL team comes to SLC. Politicians want the arena to be in downtown SLC, so renovations to the Delta Center + Jazz & NHL team playing there for at least another 10-15 years is highly likely.
Been digging your videos, but you are letting your personal view on the aesthetics on CPA affect the logistics on the situations. I agree with Smith when he says downtown is important. Best part of going to a Preds game is going to incredible bars and restaurants right off Broadway before or after a game. For the record, I love the look of CPA. There are 11 shared NBA/NHL arenas that make it work. Also, this isn't new news. All of this was announced in the presser with Bettman the other day.
You obviously have done no research into why they kept the exterior of Climate Pledge Arena, nor the conditions the City of Seattle set for bringing an NHL team to the city.
It was EXTREMELY challenging for Seattle to get a new Arena. We tried for years and got robbed by OKC. There is a curse on the Thunder as long as Clay Bennett owns them. Finally we had hope of a new as you like “modern” arena. Chris Hansen was going to build it next to T-Mobile Park. The “issue” was closing a section of a road that is barely used for freight trucks. Huge battle with the City of Seattle and Port of Seattle. Locals wanted it but the politicians won again. Hansen’s last ditch effort was to fully fund the project, renovate Key Arena for music and add an overpass for the port. Location would have been perfect for public transit but again we lost and got Climate Pledge. Better than nothing!
I love the exterior of Climate Pledge Arena. The exterior is actually listed on the National Register of Historic Places, so they weren't allowed to change it even if they wanted to. I like DG but he doesn't do basic research before he puts out his videos.
Ryan Smith owns the Delta Center and Utah has apparently approved $900M in taxpayer dollars to bring an NHL team to SLC, so he's got plenty of money to renovate it as well as current technology will allow. The Delta Center is located in downtown SLC anyway, so it would be part of any big downtown district development in any case.
The money the Utah Legislature approved, was not to renovate The Delta Center. That is an egregious waste of $$$. Then in 20 years, you have to build a new arena. Use some common sense people. You let the City tear down an historic 100+ year old theater, which should have been designated a National historic site, but you'll pump half a billion dollars into an arena, which just got renowed, what, 7 years ago. This is a criminal waste of money.
Probably gonna just redo the ends. Smart move. Pocket the $900 million raised by the new tax. Salt Lake is still a small market and there isn’t a need for a new building.
The interior of MSG was basically entirely reconstructed over the course of 3 summers (2011 - 2013). The Knicks and Rangers schedules weren't affected at all.
I'm just wondering if there is enough room to extend the ends of Delta Center without running into the nearby streets. If you look at an aerial view, the southwest corner looks to be where all the trucks come in, so there's likely not enough room to extend there. That means the northwest corner would have to be extended, and would there be enough room without running into South Temple or John Stockton Drive?
That is what I have been saying all along. Because the arena sits at an angle, you can't stretch the ends without completely taking out a street, which leads to other logistical problems.
Utah politicians hold the cards here. If they want the teams to play at the existing Delta Center, Smith has no choice as he'd have to get permitting and rezoning approvals from city / state bodies to build any new arena anywhere else. No permitting an zoning approval, no arena. I bet the exterior gets a refresh as well.
A couple of things Ginger. First off, the Delta Center is some 30 yrs old but not as dilapidated and ancient as you think it is, still a fantastic basketball arena. Second, I may agree with you on spending a ton of cash to try to modify it if it can even be done, just to gain some 3k seats seems almost doing it on the cheap yet not cheap. Not sure they really have yet to come up with a plan but said they are going to try a configuration that might work using computer technology on a design and what it says would need to be done to make that design work. Any normal designer or engineer would walk in, look at the set up and say can't be done. Third is that it looks like the bureaucrats insist it stay in downtown SLC as Smith has been a fan of an idea of an entire new sports village and arena for the Jazz and hockey about 25 miles south of downtown SLC in Draper. And last what may make sense is that if Smith concludes we need a new arena and keeping it in downtown about the only way that works is demolish the Delta Center and rebuild, meaning at least a 2 to 4 year process with no arena. Probably forces the hockey team to the 12k Maverick center during the period and the Jazz to the Huntsman Center at the University of Utah. Actually not bad alternatives for temporary homes. Maverick Center is really made for hockey and the Jazz have before used the Huntsman Center for games.
Maverik Center and Huntsman Center would not be bad as temporary homes, the only problem is that idk if University of Utah would let them play so many games since they might not want 15,000 people coming onto campus 41 times a year.
@@ckstaff idk if Maverik Center could handle an ECHL team, and NHL team, AND an NBA team though. Maybe the Jazz could split time between Huntsman and Maverik.
Utah is giving Smith $900M in tax dollars (sales tax) for bringing an NHL team to SLC. Utah politicians want the arena downtown. Delta Center is downtown. If Smith wanted to build a new arena, he would need to get permitting and rezoning for it, and it wouldn't be granted. I predict sizeable renovations to Delta Center (perhaps exterior as well as interior) and that both the jazz and NHL team will play there for at least the next 10 years.
This is a big mistake!! They should stick with their original plan and build a new arena. The state legislature approved $900 million. Most owners would rejoice to get that amount of help. The Jazz and the NHL team have to use the Delta Center 6 moths out of the year. A major gutting or reconstruction of the Delta Center is not possible. Fans of the new Utah NHL team need to make their voices heard. This is not acceptable!!!
Utah approved 1 billion for nhl/nba arena in tax money already. Ryan Smith was eyeing the prison land recently vacated to build. Downtown threw a fit and wanted to keep them downtown.
I have a feeling that would be true- if it is that Smith's responsibility is not better than Meruelo's way of managing the team, then this franchise certainly would be cursed. It should be noted that if it is that the Delta Center ages rapidly when this team is there with the Jazz, I feel that both NBA and NHL teams are in trouble, and then the Jazz will get cursed too. They should be separate! (It is truly beyond hope, though...) And I remember, it is the original Winnipeg Arena once the team left for Phoenix did not want to be torn down. Would it be coincidental about what would happen in the future...?: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xYfTMsLJ6hE.html
I live in SLC, right around the corner, from a huge tract of land, where an abandoned hotel sits, and across the adjoining street, is an abdoned ABF freight terminal. That would be a big enough parcel to put that arena on. There is a UTA Trax train line that runs right next to it. It's only about 1.5 miles down W.Temple street, from The Delta Center. Smith just wants yo stay downtown, to appease his corporate cronies. The problems Delta Center faces, will not work. How are they going to push out the ends of the arena, to fit seating, without going into the surrounding street. Smith promised a new arena, and he lied, and is a charlatan. The new arena does NOT have to be downtown. The State legidlature approved up to 900 million for it. This is a complete joke! There is land close to downtown. Get it approved!!!
There are nearby arenas that would work as temp facilities while they renovate/rebuild/refurbish/remodel the Delta Center. The Utes basketball team has their own building that seats 15000 and the Jazz can share that for a few years. There is also a hockey arena in the area )West Valley City) that hosted hockey during the 2002 Olympics where their ECHL team currently plays that's about 10000-11000 capacity. Still, a new building probably would work better long term.
I wish they would build a new arena across the street but the Delta Center has plenty of space being around 800k sq ft. I will withhold judgement until I see the renderings. Downtown is the place to be. Out near Herriman would be a pain for people to get to 41 nights out of the year. Utah is really growing. I grew up there. I live in Washington State now. My parents still live there and it's insane how much the population has grown.
Here's my question: where did Ryan Smith think this was going to happen when he presented his case before Utah state legislators to get the public funding needed to make this thing happen? Plus what exactly is going on with the Gateway? Almost every time I go there nowadays, it is a ghost town. There are very few shops left, nobody goes to the theater there anymore, and the only things drawing people in are the planetarium and the children's museum. Couldn't they just knock some of those buildings down and build the new arena there? Yes, the Delta Center could be salvaged if they somehow made the sightlines work for hockey as well as basketball, but it's going to take a lot of work, as he said. But at least the good news is, at the rate things are going, it'll be about four years before the Jazz are able to play between mid-April and mid-September, so that gives construction workers plenty of time to work on the renovations if needed.
$500 million is not chump change. Ryan Smith has a $2B net worth. If he can save 1/4 his net worth by renovating the old arena, he absolutely should. I would like to see more teams renovating old arenas/stadiums. Much less wasteful than tearing down a 30 year old stadium. And would be amazing if we still had stadiums like Shibe, Forbes, Crosley, Chicago Stadium, Comiskey, Tiger, Ebbets, Polo grounds, old yankee, sportsman park, old soldier field, etc
Wells Fargo Center in South Philly. Home to the Flyers, Sixers and NLL Wings. That Arena was built in 1996-97. They just finished renovating that arena this year. Took about 3 years to complete. It only cost them $400 million, mostly changing out the seats, that brand new 8-16K curved center hung video board, a new $20 seats up at the very top, and everything else on the concourse and the video boards and lights on the outside. Not including the paint job that they did. Now with the Delta Center, that arena looks like its still in good condition inside and out. The Only problem that I'm seeing is that Lower bowl area. That arena was mostly built for basketball only. The only way that they can get more seats is to expand the arena out as best as possible so you get more end seating or otherwise its gonna look like the Barclays center Brooklyn. Now about Seattle's arena. Its a historical landmark of the city especially that roof. They knew what they had to do, If it cost about over a billion, so be it. I would rather keep a building instead of imploding it and then rebuilding. Thats more money to shell out on the taxpayers of Utah.
Every time I think about the Delta Center I think about the MJ flu game in the NBA Finals in 1997 and MJ epic follow through shot in the 1998 NBA Finals to take the lead and win him and the Bulls there 6th ring.
I actually can’t wait to see how they renovate it, Ryan smith said he envisions and has plans for 17k for hockey by redesigning the seating bowls, also I think they will also upgrade the outside of the arena if you’ve seen the picture he posted it was with a renovated DC
You got to listen to what he said he said the short term is a renovation of exterior and interior for the interim he is still open to building a new areana.
I grew up in Phx and I remember for years the NHL pressed the coyotes for years to build a nhl specific arena. This is a massive mistake for Utah. The team should have never moved its starting to sound like.
The thing with Seattle is that the roof was a historic landmark, so they couldn’t destroy it, so at that point, might as well just build a new arena. With that being said, this would absolutely not make sense in Utah, there’s no point
They’re doing both. They’re renovating Delta Center so that it’s better for hockey games AND building a new arena, both for the Utah NHL team and the upcoming Olympic bid.
Hope you are right. I do acknowledge that they need to do some work to make the Delta .Center playable for a 2-3 year period. But the new arena is critical for the long term.
I don't think this guy actually knows what he's talking about. the Delta Center is FAR from "decrepit". A "dated exterior" is the dumbest reason to demolish a perfectly functional and sturdy arena. Climate Pledge looks great architecturally. With this line of thinking, you'd never have, Wrigley Field, Fenway, MSG, Dodger stadium. If they can renovate for the Delta Center to be a good experience for both basketball and hockey, then there is no reason to tear it down. I'm not saying a new arena isn't warranted to some extent. but it's so wasteful to demolish a good arena for the reasons he lists.
Listen, Smith promised he would build a new arena! That makes him a lier and a chatlatan. All this BS about having to have the arena in the center of downtown SLC, is nothing but propaganda. The state put up 900 million towards that arena, and now he is the one looking stupid! There is a perfectly good site, 2 mies down W.Temple, where the Miller group did renderings for a ML stadium. It's right ong the UTA Traz train line.
How will they possibly do the necessary renovations without one of the teams having to play somewhere else? I don’t understand what they are doing… this is an absolute mess
Climate Pledge Arena (formally Key Area), has an extremely unique exterior all to itself. I’m sure they kept it as it because everyone appreciates its uniqueness besides Depressed Ginger.
They cannot do a major gutting or renovation of the Delta Center. The Jazz and the NHL team have to use the arena 6 months each year. That means that arena employees, fans, etc will be in the building. You can’t do major renovations with all those people. It is a serious safety hazard. Yes there is a 6 month period where Jazz and NHL team will be in their off seasons. But doing renovations in 6 month periods would be insane. BTW the reason they were able to do major renovations of the Key Arena in Seattle is that there was no NBA or NHL team playing. They were able to take their time and do it right. That is not the case with the Delta Center.
I agree. When you have the kind of money that Ryan Smith has, go for broke. If he invests 100% of construction costs, he would have approval in a heartbeat. Then you dump around 1.5 to 2 billion into a super-arena
I can imagine the new arena being made within the next 2 to 4 years from now however I can agree with you on why doesn’t it make sense but I can see why they would want some renovations on Delta Center and I’m unsure that you can renovate the arena’s interior especially if it’s over 3 decades old unless you actually rebuild it from within but with the arena’s exterior you can though
Ginger, get it right. Climate Pledge Arena with exception of the roof, which was renovated is a 'BRAND NEW' arena. Other than the roof, everything in the arena is 'BRAND NEW.'
Didnt Atlanta completely redo the interior and add more suites ? Its doable over 2-3 off-seasons. They have 4 months of 24/7 work each year to complete renos
I have a very hard time believing that the NHL is happy about this decision… they were saying there was a new arena coming and now just a couple months later that’s not happening? Sounds like the coyotes curse stayed with the team and is now in Utah..
Ps the problem with the Bradley Center at 425K sq ft and Key arena at 367K sq ft before it became Climate pledge arena. Both were too small of footprint. The Delta Center doesn't have that problem it just needs to a big renovation to make the outside look better and to change the seats to make it better for hockey.
Instead of retracting those seats all the way back can they go to right above the glass ? I know there will still be an obstructed view but it’s not Barclays center bad. Should just build a new arena in a few years.
Great job DG. I'm in East Tennessee and really appreciate the fact that you cover the nation. And you strongly favor one of my oldest sons! Not a bad thing. Totally agree with you on the Utah issue and Oakland issues. Keep up the good work young man!
Little bait n' switch going on?? It's really hard to refurbish these old stadia (plumbing, electrical, communications) to a 2024 level. I know this living within stones throw from Canadian Tire Centre in Ottawa (home of the Ottawa Senators) and from what I've been told its cheaper to build from scratch. Good luck Utah.
One problem with land in downtown Salt Lake City is it is mostly already owned by the LDS Church. There are plans to renovate the outside exterior as well and surrounding block to include a entertainment district. Not sure if you have seen the outside renderings that were released. But the main focus will be to fix the interior until it has been completed. The government requested this so the Delta Center along with the entertainment district can be the central hub for the Winter Olympics. Do I agree with the decision no. I am on board with you as well they should just tear it down and build a complete new arena. But if they did that the Jazz and new hockey team would end up in the same boat as the Coyotes. One playing in a college arena and other playing in a minor league hockey arena until the stadium was completed.
You don't understand the scale of a Salt Lake city block and clearly haven't seen the teased renderings. Tearing down and removing bones is dumb, wasteful, and expensive. Ryan Smith is going to renovate the inside and put a giant building cocooning the Delta Center. BTW SLC blocks are 660'^2 The Delta Center doesn't even come close to consuming the whole block it sits on.
What do u have against glass exteriors an renovations of the team owns the building why not let them do what they want if they want to play in an open air arena so what just sayinf
I think they are getting the hint that taxpayers don’t want to pay for these stadiums anymore. Doing with less which is not entirely a bad thing. Seattle will build a new NBA stadium at some point when it is confirmed.
Wow, didn't realize that the Delta Center was 33 years old. Wow, if the Bradley Center was still standing it would be 36 years old. Bizarre how the NBA told the Bucks that the Bradley Center was out dated and old back in 2013, but this arena that is only 3 years younger is not needing to be replaced.
Places like Bradley Center, Amway Arena (Orlando's old arena), Miami Arena, and Memphis Pyramid were all built in the late 80s without as much amenities as the arenas of the 90s, and as a result none of them lasted very long. Meanwhile, places like Delta Center, SAP Center, Footprint Center, Honda Center, United Center, Target Center, were all built in the early 90s with the right amount of suites to have increased revenue.
The argument of the exterior being obsolete is a silly one. It has a modern appearance for the time it was built. We don't tear down our homes and private commercial buildings every 20 or so year to get a modern looking building. So who cares if the Delta Center has a 1990's look to it? It was build in the 90's. Lets just demolish the entire downtown area every 20-30 years while we're at it, sure makes sense! With that said, they should leave the Delta Center as it is and keep the Jazz there. They can build a hocky specific arena elsewhere. I don't see why it's a priority to move the Jazz to wherever the Coyotes end up. Seems silly to me.
Instead of expansion both the mlb and nhl need tonrelocate some teams its just the reality both sports are in decline in some markets and are bettwr auited to smaller places but that pack the place. Ive been to some places were theres only nba and nfl merch if its an older town some mlb and if its a younger city some mls the whole big market only helps if the cuty actually watches the game
Maybe the NHL shouldn’t have rushed to salt lake until the arena was confirmed. Seeing now that the coyotes are closer to playing in an actual hockey rink than the salt lake team, this could be an embarrassing moment for the NHL. If anything they should have announced the NHL moving to salt lake now but that the coyotes would play one final season in Arizona. Would’ve given players, coaches, staff, and fans at least a moment to prepare for relocation plus salt lake would’ve gotten their shit together because this is not a good start for the salt lake franchise but so follows this franchise from Winnipeg and Arizona where no matter the ownership or location, it’s always been rough.
In fairness, playing in a 12,000 (NHL) seat arena that will expand to over 17,000 in a few years is much better than playing in a 4,500 seat arena for the next 4 or 5 years.
I think one of the issues with building a new arena in SLC is alcohol sales. Years ago the Jazz had to get special provisions to sell alcohol on Sunday. I bet they have the Delta center zoned in a special way
It's not illegal to sell alcohol on Sundays in general. You can go to any store, bar, or restaurant on Sunday and buy alcohol. The only place you can't get alcohol are the liquor stores because those are closed on Sundays.
In the long run, obviously building a new arena would be the best choice. Renovated the Delta Center would only buy it 10 more years, then you probably pay 20% more to build new arena.
When you look at the shape of the Delta Center, it is more of a square compared to any building built to accommodate hockey. Where will they find the space? I guess we'll see.
