Yamaha FZ6R: Timing Advance Mod With First Ride! 

Sooooo much footage to compile 🤪 Workin’ on it!

Thankya Sir!! 😎🤙🏁

Glad it worked out 😉👍

Glad you liked my stuff man! Happy you’re able to wake up your bike, too 😬👌

Do ALL the things dude! 😬👌

@@HalfClickUp Got a few questions bro. Were you not able to utilize the factory shift arm (attached to the rod)? Also, I guess the OEM master cylinder wouldn't mount to the R6 rear set? Looking at parts now and wanted to get everything straight before i hit that "checkout" button. I never did like how low the foot pegs were on this bike.

@@vansonmafeet734 the factory shift arm works, but puts oblong pressure on the shift pawl because it’s a bit too long. You do need to drill one hole for each rearset. I tapped mine so the bolts actually thread like factory. It’s all covered in my installation tutorials. EDIT: I was speaking of the shift rod, sorry about that. Yes, you can utilize the factory shift arm. I replaced mine with the nice aftermarket piece from Outlaw cuz mine was bent.

@@HalfClickUp I think what you're calling the shift pawl is a rod joint according to parts specs. I saw the video where you purchased a shift rod kit from Flashtune. I ordered that one yesterday. Do you think I will still be able to use the FZ6R shift arm?

@@vansonmafeet734 yep the thread size is the same.

Nice! That’s pretty quick for the queen’s parcel 😉🇬🇧

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@@HalfClickUp I ended up with a 2004 FZ6 in Clarksville, TN the had been supposedly dropped for free. Was a army guy being deployed to Europe. I still traded something to him for the bike. It runs, has a good title. Now in the process of replacing the damaged parts on it. So your RU-vid videos are great way to gain knowledge on this motorcycle.

@@ralphrayner1783 that’s awesome! Yep the FZ6 and 6R engines are close enough to where most, if not all of my tutorials apply to both machines.

Thankya Sir 🤙

Yeah man I haven’t been able to find a single company that offers ECU flashing for this motorcycle.

@@HalfClickUp yeah same here unless your going full on aftermarket stand alone ecu systems, you can however use power commander autotune which works wonders, really livens things up and works just as advertised but doesn’t beat a full dyno tune session but gets you as good as you can get without a dyno tune and gives you a proper tune for all altitudes as it auto adjusts to keep up with different environments and has further settings for costume limits of how much to adjust from base tune very versatile but it all depends on your wants and needs, like it’s advertised it very convenient for adding on more parts and the tuner will auto tune along the way, in my experience and drop in with a few tweaks it was very impressive for fueling tunes and the bike ran a lot cleaner and meaner from a dig it made a big difference remember the power commander only adjusts fuel in our application for the fz6r it’s very unfortunate it can’t adjust ignition but for most other bikes it has ignition tuning but not for the fz6r hence we are limited to hardware global ignition tweaks

No need for reflash u can adjust ur fuel right from ur bike with Co setting

@@mattiegrock7847 how ?

@@buddygovender1870 it can be found here on youtube

Facts! 😎🤙

This is a Yamaha FZ6R, which utilizes a detuned second gen R6 engine. The exhaust you see here is a second gen R6 header with a Radiant Cycles ShortyGP slip-on.

Time to buy a Fizzer 😬👌

Hey man I'd recommend that at minimum you already have a fuel controller and a tune. You'll also need to run 91 or 93 octane to prevent piston knock. First mod I did was exhaust and fuel controller with tune. I did this timing mod much later. I have experienced no issues since doing this timing mod. She screams on the race track with 101 octane VP race gas, and she runs 8 to 12 thousand RPM continuously for 30 minutes at a time over a 6 hour period when at a track day. North American models didn't come with the throttle restriction.

As long as you run high octane fuel, it’s perfectly safe. In fact, it’ll allow for the engine to run cooler by enriching the mixture, which technically translates to additional longevity.

@@HalfClickUp What octane would you recommend?

@@mitchelltaylor726 you must run a minimum of 91 at all times, preferably 93. On-track I run a VP Racing blend of around 101 to 102.

@@HalfClickUp equivalent to 97-99ron in the Uk?

@@mitchelltaylor726 that’s a fair question. I honestly don’t have any knowledge on that. Time to consult the Google machine, my friend 😬

Hey dude welcome to the Fizzer Fam! The cheap route: 03-05 R6 header with slip-on of your choice, timing advance, PCFC fuel controller with Hindle Performance tune. That’s the route I took. Expensive route: same things as cheap route except for going with name brand exhaust system. Neater appearance and cleaner install… but pricey to the tune of $700 to $1200 depending on brand choice. Every mod and maintenance I’ve ever done on this bike is in my mods and maintenance playlist. Any questions, just let me know or email me at hcumotovlogs@gmail.com

Hey Ray that sounds like a mean setup you’ve got going! Be sure and drop a comment with some before and after dyno numbers if you get a chance!

@@HalfClickUp ok will do.

@@raytokens2291ik it’s been a year but did you ever get those dyno numbers?

@@Quan-iu3uz no shittin you 104.4 whp and 73 nm, but my engine went bang about 3 months ago. Lost cylinder 3 due to a failed connector bearing. I'm re building it as we speak, better than oem. I have the European one as I'm in England 🇬🇧

@@raytokens2291 you've reached 104 horsepower ? What did you do bro ? pc5 - 4 time advance - airbox ? just these ?

Yes Sir, same engine. Thanks for watching!!

Hey man I’m in Waco, TX. Thanks for watching my stuff 😎🤙

That's Wild. I just picked up a FZ6R a few days ago. I also work in Waco, TX. Badass.@@HalfClickUp

@@gnashuasavage8887 fantastic! Welcome to the Fizzer Fam 😬👍

No restrictor plates on North American models 👍

@HalfClickUp my bad. The bracket that holds the throttle cable has a tab that restricts the throttle from opening more. I thought that tab/bracket was the restrictor. In any event it does add some punch to the bike.

@@christianmirabal5389 hmmm interesting.. I was fairly certain my blades open a full 90 degrees, but I could be wrong.. ?

@@HalfClickUpactually there is a slight restriction. At the bottom of the plate on NA models there is a small leg that kicks out at the bottom that will prevent you from opening it fully. You don’t need to swap it out you can just cut that little leg off with a dremel like I did. Bout a 20% throttle difference.

@@thatoneguy-tj5pc that sounds pretty dang significant. Do you feel it in the seat of your pants pretty good?

Nice!! 👍

So I rung her neck on the track for two hours and burned half a tank 😬 Of course I dunno what that translates to on the street for actual MPG, but some guys were having to top off their bikes by the 3rd session.

@@HalfClickUp Gota love the fizzer on fuel economy !

Mornin’ Roger! Hey man I take pride in responding promptly to all questions 😬 I wouldn’t bother with this mod unless you’ve already done at least exhaust and fuel controller. Advancing the timing is sort of a final “stackable” mod on top of all the big things that squeezes the last bit of power output out of the ole’ Fizzer. The fact that it allows you to safely burn high octane fuel, for example, is something you wouldn’t be able to take advantage of if you didn’t have a couple of other performance parts to compliment the timing advance. Make sense?

Thankyou @HalfClickUp for the reply and tips. I basically have a 100% stock bike, so your advice makes perfect sense. You know how we are all looking for possible improvements, and like you said, this is one of the final pieces of the puzzle to max out your bikes. Sorry for just noticing your reply after 7 days. My main gaming computer crashed 5 days ago, and I just dug out my old laptop to get me back online. Thanks again for the information. Roger Louie, in SoCal. 5-25-2023

No power commander required, as it’s purely a mechanical modification to the bike’s timing. You’ll need to run 93 octane fuel, though.

@@HalfClickUp they don’t have 93 where I live. Will it be fine with 91?

@@Ermerps yep! 91 will be fine 👍

@@Ermerps buy vp madditive it adds 8 octane numbers.

Yeah man CCDF is the only company I am aware of that has ever made the custom 4 degree rotors for our bikes. Several other folks have emailed me with your same question and I always recommend that you send CCDF a message on eBay and ask them when they’re going to produce a new batch. You’d be like the 6th or 7th person to do that, so the more people that contact them, the better. They surely are aware by now of the demand for that particular timing rotor. They could sell their entire batch in less than a week.. maybe mention that little detail to them. Good luck!

To my knowledge, it will work on any bike with the second generation R6 engine.

Yes you should have a good fuel trim modifying tune installed on a fuel controller to really max out this mod’s potential. I run the DynoJet PCFC with the Hindle Performance dyno tune. It’s excellent on both street and track.

No, all of your oil is in the pan, below the level of the timing cover. You’ll get a few drops from residual, but just have a rag handy to catch those drops.

Honestly I don’t daily commute on this bike anymore, so I haven’t had the opportunity to make any observations or calculations. I also recently swapped to 3.27 gearing, so I don’t believe there’s any hope for decent MPG on this thing anymore 😆

😉👍

No, all work is done under the oil pump/rotor cover on the right side of the engine. You can run it without a fuel controller, but won’t get the maximum power gains.

@@HalfClickUp just as long as it's not going to be harmful. I use 95 octain fuel (Australia)

@@mattyhjames you’ll experience a mild increase in felt pull all across the power band, and yes 95 octane will be perfect. 👍

Whaaaaaat? I’ve never actually paid close attention to that.. well I’m curious as to what function the center bolt serves? What you’re implying is that the bolt threads into the cover, and nothing else, right? 🤔

@@HalfClickUp yes it’s just a cap to check if your timing is off without taking the whole cover off

Hey just to let you know also I have a 09 fz6r and they are really good bikes and I really enjoy watching your channel especially with doing maintenance on them it’s a big help so keep it up

@@curtv2425 well but that’s the big black disk that has like a big flat head type of slot for removing it.. I’m talking about the little 5mm shorty right next to that big window cover. It uses a little copper washer.

@@curtv2425 hey thanks for the kind words man, I’m glad my vids help you to maintain your Fizzer!

Nope I didn’t have time to get around to that mod before needing to leave town for the track, but I may look at it in the coming weeks.

@@HalfClickUp when you do, look at the bottom of your air filter. You will see that only a small portion is actually filtering air ( you will see a dirt imprint) open up the entirety of the bottom portion of the air box and you will get a noticeable boost in power. Also, I have fabricated a steering damper kit for the FZ6R if you're interested. Thanks

@@miquelnewman6936 does that kit work with clip-ons? 🤔

@@HalfClickUp yes, as long as you are using the original triple tree.

@@miquelnewman6936 badass, where can I check that out?

That’s the million dollar question, my friend. Several folks have reached out to me with the same question and I’ll give you the same advice so that the shop continues to get the message. The company is C.C.D.F. and they have an eBay store. Find them on there and send them a message asking when they plan to mill out more rotors for the Fizzer. There are 10 or more guys that have messaged them already, so every bit helps! Good luck!

@HalfClickUp yeah OK and preciate cha on that 👌🏿

@@yusabayrakoglu3824 adds noticeable pull throughout the RPM range in all gears when coupled with a good fuel map on a fuel controller.

​@@HalfClickUp Thanks sir. You are helpfull. What about what are you thinking about of fazer 600 shift cams and throtlle body ? I read in forum sites. They say that it's really make difference. I would like to wacth on your channel :D you can do everything when it comes to fizzer :D You are doing this job verywell. Ride safe Mr. Half Click :)

@@yusabayrakoglu3824 yes sir, the FZ6 Fazer cams are the ultimate upgrade for the FZ6R 👍

The rear seat cowl was produced for a short time by GYTR back when the Fizzer was still in production. They’re no longer available.

Aw ok its why i dont find it anywhere thank you i like your videos good luck 😊

Just stick it in there and start running premium fuel (91 octane or higher).

@@HalfClickUp perfect, thanks for the response and keep up the content, its great! :)

@@CludsDebussy thanks dude!! 😎🤙

No tune is required; however, to maximize the power potential of advanced timing, I recommend running a good tune and of course 93 octane.

That sucks 🫤

I recommend the NGK Iridium IX at the preset gap right out of the box.

@@HalfClickUp I believe I have ngk iridium's, not sure if they're IX. Did you swap yours out after the mod? Did previous spark plugs give you issues?

@@scottthomas5996 I’ve always run the Iridium IX plugs, so I don’t have a difference comparison for you, unfortunately. I can tell you that between those plugs, the 4 degree advance, the Hindle tune, and a 104 octane VP mix, that she loves it on-track 😈

@@HalfClickUp might just grab some new plugs and change them when I do the trigger. Compared to doing the cams, swapping plugs is super easy.

@@scottthomas5996 no doubt about it! I’d like to do the FZ6 cam mod.. was the cam gear modification difficult?

Yep it will.

Naw, just how quickly you get there. Mechanical limit is mechanical limit. Sprocket swap could change that, though.

@@HalfClickUp ordered everything but that camshaft wrench, can only find it on a European website for 40 bucks plus shipping. Looks like I’ll try and make something myself

If you care about top speed, then go get a 'busa for a week, get bored with it, hock it, and go back to a bike that has more interesting tricks.

@@alexcarey5084 if you step on the rear brake and blip it with an impact gun it’ll come right off. 25 ft lb really ain’t much 👍

@@brianhaygood183 oh yeah I know, much rather have a flickable bike than something I could barely keep up lol

No Sir I haven’t experienced any knocking after this mod. When was the last time you checked valve clearances?

​@HalfClickUp haven't checked the valve clearances yet but it's due very soon for 45k kms

@@Jaykeze1 if you’d like, either DM me a vid clip on Insta or shoot one to me in an email if you want me to have a listen. 👍

93 octane on the street, 101 octane on the track. No knocking! 👍

@@HalfClickUp I see. In Malaysia we're using RON 95, RON 97 and RON 100. My timing advance is around 3.225 degrees which is shaved it off myself after some mathematical calculations. I'm using RON 95 which is around 91 octane.

www.ebay.com/itm/165155402033

@@HalfClickUp oh jeeze apparently i didnt look hard enough haha. Thank you kind sir! Any negative effects youve noticed at all? And did you have to change your plugs?

@@kristopherwierikko4585 so far, so good… just gotta remember to run 93 octane or better all the time if you don’t already. As for plugs, I’ve always run the NGK Iridium IX as gapped right out of the box 👌

These in particular are manufactured by CCDF in the UK. Here you go: www.ebay.com/itm/165628303467?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=ya8VnGfiSIG&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

I remove the fairing to provide easy access to everything, and I’ve got the GYTR “cutting required” frame sliders, so I have to remove the slider to remove the fairing.

@@HalfClickUp I see I’ve got the shogun no cuts but it does look like I’ll have to also remove it got my timing wheel on the way so she’ll be ready for next season

@@johnvergith1738 fantastic! 😎🤙

No the timing is set by the orientation of the timing chain on the camshafts. It’s okay. Put the bike in neutral and blip the bolt head several times with an impact. I use the electric one from Harbor Freight.. cheap and quite durable!

@@HalfClickUpupdate: I tried putting the bike in neutral and used an air impact gun. Didn't work. I finally just lodged a small bolt inside the housing and pressed to one of the gears, or teeth of the rotor. That finally broke the bolt free! Mine must have more than 25ft lbs torque applied. Got the new one installed in a snap. Will be doing the rearset swap soon, just waiting on them to be delivered from eBay. Found a new set that was taken off of an R6 that just had 5k miles on it.

@@vansonmafeet734 dude that’s wild… my next recommendation was gonna be to put some heat on it. Good on you for breaking her free though! You’re gonna love those rear-sets man… supersport mode unlocked 😎🤙

@@HalfClickUp Got both rear-sets installed. Clutch side wasn't too bad with the shift rod kit, worked out great. Brake side had some difficulties. I'm trying to utilize the stock master brake cylinder instead of buying an R6 one. Can that joint at the bottom where the hose connects be turned 90 degrees? Right now it's in the way. I machined a small bracket out of aluminum because as you know, the holes don't line up to the R6 rear-set. If I can get that to work I'll be golden. I already like how they sit on the bike. The stock ones always got in the way when I come to a stop, me legs always hit them. Thanks!!

@@vansonmafeet734 man I’m unsure of the hose joint rotation since an R6 master cylinder came with my set. You’re in uncharted territory! You should be filming the process 😬👌

Yep, 2009-2017.

Now THAT’S a thought 🤔

@@HalfClickUp the advanced timing loves it.

@@chansaechao79 I’m seriously picking some up on my way out!

wait so you mean run 93 octane with octane booster?

@@gabrielibarra5551 on the track, yep.

Here’s the listing for the advanced rotor: www.ebay.com/itm/165155402033?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=ya8VnGfiSIG&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=vasydYHQSnC&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

@@HalfClickUp I think you mentioned maybe losing a little oil, is it better to drain it? I'm having a timing issue and there is evidence that the previous owner tried this and i'm wondering if it's been filed or something has come loose.

@@triple7988 no don’t drain the oil unless it is really time to change it. You’ll only lose a few drops when you remove the oil pump/timing cover, so you’ll just need a shop towel in place to catch a little drip.

@@HalfClickUp Figured out the issue. Was a damaged crank position sensor. It's the part mounted to the cover. Has some serious scratches in it, probably from the last time it was dropped.

@@triple7988 OOF!! Glad you figured that out, though! She good to go now?

This is a second gen R6 header with Radiant Cycles ShortyGP slip-on.

@@HalfClickUp the r6 headers fit on the fz6r?

@@rubberducc7318 yes Sir the second gen R6 and FZ6R share the same block.

Tool is hard to find nowadays. Your best bet is eBay and some luck. Here’s the gasket: www.partzilla.com/product/yamaha/20S-15456-00-00?ref=2c84d6bf505a31887374f5594fefd6f2e1ab08ac

​@HalfClickUp yeah OK and preciate cha on that Boss Mann. Long as my eyes,brain and Google works, we gonna fing it😁

​@@HalfClickUpbut yeah Mann, I've been checking out your vids on mods to the bike. They really helped me out.

@@derrick.l1870 happy to hear it brudda, glad my stuff is still helping the Fizzer Fam!

​@@HalfClickUpha ha o yeah Mann no doubt. I hadn't been too long got this bike. I wanna get everything I can out of it. I know it can do more than 135😁. But yeah yo videos are still ON POINT 👌🏿🤙🏿

You’ll need to run 93 octane or better all the time. Most of us already do that anyways, so if you’re already in the habit of running 93, there will be no change to your motorcycling habits.

@@HalfClickUp I'm in Canada. I run 91 in the bike I'm not sure we have 93 readily available. I'll have to look into that. Thx man! Watching your valve adjustment vids currently. Hopefully give me the balls to tear into my dear 09 fizzer. Just rolled over 24k miles when I stored her for the winter. Cheers man thanks again!

@@kristopherwierikko4585 91 will suffice, no worries. Let me know if you have any questions should you decide to tear into the valves. Just take your time, easy peezy 😉

@@HalfClickUp Your a good man. Thanks bro!

@@kristopherwierikko4585 👊😎

It’ll actually allow for the engine to operate at cooler temperatures. Theoretically, advanced timing will increase overall longevity 😎🤙

Man hell yeah that I didn't know, if you happen to see one of those gears that will work on our bikes let me know I started looking around for em on ebay yesterday but only found the ones for the fz's, happy riding bro thanks for the reply and sick build! Your bike is badass man I've been watching your videos on the woodcraft bars and want to do that next but am thinking about going with the 2 inch rise instead of 1.5

@@robmuhfacka5986 the one listed for the FZ6 is correct. As long as it’s made by CCDF, that’s the one you want. Thanks for watching my stuff dude, I appreciate you! And the 2” rise Woodcraft kit will be just fine.

Oh badass I didn't know that either lol you're a mountain of knowledge it seems haha and yeah bro I wanted to go with the 2 inch rise because I saw another video of people showing where the 1.5 hits the cowling in some spots and the 2 inch clears it like the stock bars so you don't lose any low speed maneuvering, props to that guy for buying and installing both just to make a video of them catching the cowl haha and you're welcome bro! What state you in i saw one of your videos was in texas? That's where I'm at in dfw

@@robmuhfacka5986 yah man I’m down here in Waco 😎🤙

Yes, you sure can!

Yes, and you would use this same wheel.

Ssiicckk cheers mate👍

www.ebay.com/itm/165575435633?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=ya8VnGfiSIG&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=vasydYHQSnC&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

I wouldn’t advise that. 4 degrees is about as aggressive as you want to get.

Notch in the back?

@@HalfClickUp the little square piece that sits in the middle, debating whether I should file it down or ship it back

@@Grainsauce man I dunno if I’d risk changing any tolerances on the wheel… it’s VERY sensitive with regards to timing.. so are you saying the square “key way” is too small? If it’s not too far off, perhaps a tap from a rubber mallet is in order? As long as you can thread the nut back on so it all sits flush, you’re good.

@@HalfClickUp Yeah its just the square keyway so shouldn't affect timing, it's just a little too big.

@@Grainsauce think you can maybe be precise enough to hold the key way “centered” enough to tighten the bolt down and call it good? I know mine wiggled just a little bit until tightened down…

Yep I run a Woodcraft kit.

@@HalfClickUp looks awesome. Just bought a 2014 qith 9500 miles. I was looking at your timing video and that part is no longer available it says. Any idea where I can get one?

@@HalfClickUp also I just purchased a power commander and one of your vids had a tune from a guy I can't recall his name but it starts with a m. He also made exhaust I think on his website I went to. Where can I maybe find that particular tune u had?

@@HalfClickUp i went back and looked at the tune video u did and guy was marthy. Is that a good tune? I am really new to bikes and tuning and just bought the power commander 6. But I think u have a differnt fuel commander. Qill I be able to do the same things? Sorry for all the questions man just nice to be able to talk to someone that has already been through some of the things I qill be soon probably. I bought the bike and guy had done a full exhaust cheap dominator one, and a k and n intake. I've done a lot of cosmetic things because everything else was stock and yesterday I changed out the original plugs for iridium ones. I want to eventually take off the air thing and block off plates also. I had harder time than you pulling out that rubber liner and putting it back.lol

@@jace1873 here’s the timing advance wheel: www.ebay.com/itm/165575435633?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=ya8VnGfiSIG&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=vasydYHQSnC&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Yes it’s used for holding the cam sprockets and the timing wheel. It’s not required, but it sure made things a whole lot easier.

@@HalfClickUp Where did ya get it?

@@Grainsauce eBay 👍

@@HalfClickUp Gotcha I'll try and look for it, so far no luck though

@@Grainsauce yeah it’s a rare tool.. it also has two part numbers that’ll cross reference: 90890-04143 YM-04143

Any bike with an engine that is based on the 03-05 YZF-R6 platform design.

@@HalfClickUp What octane?

@@joedanero5360 104

That’s one thing that I’ve never done, but that I’d really like to do! Dang tool is like $100 tho 🫤

@@HalfClickUp wow, had no idea the mercury ones had gone up so much, I got I bought in 1994 $25.00 is now $70.00 and the vacuum setup around $40.00 and up. Good ole and inflation😩

@@HalfClickUp when checked my plugs 1 &2 running about right, 3 & 4 running rich. Did change the stand NGK 2 prong to the NGK Iridium, had good reviews. Seem last very long time.

@@ralphrayner1783 yep I’m a fan of Motion Pro tools. Their sync tool is very nice but $100!

What are your C0 values set at?

Yep, it's a very rare tool nowadays. Here it is from a Japanese supplier, but it's $70.35 www.cmsnl.com/products/camshaft-wrench_9089004143/

Yeah fuck that, I'm gonna make one! Thanks anyway bro!

@@rodneygivens8252 I don’t blame ya! 😆

​@HalfClickUp O WOW I didn't know it cost that much. I think I'll rig up something for a lot cheaper than that. It's not like a everyday or ever so often tool that I'll use. 🤔