You Do NOT Want the Emax Tinyhawk 2 (Part 1)

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As much as I want to love it, I don't. Emax as a company can be very promising, but they're missing just one very important thing.
0:28 Emax is a good company
0:42 Tinyhawk 2 improvements
2:24 Known issue with the Tinyhawk 2
3:08 Why I can't recommend the Tinyhawk 2
4:03 But can't I fix it?
5:29 What to do?
5:45 Improvements on the Freestyle 2 over Freestyle 1
6:30 Known issue with Freestyle 2
7:03 How to fix it
7:23 What to expect for budgeting for a Freestyle 2?
7:54 Would I buy the Freestyle 2 again?
9:00 What can Emax do to be better?
9:50 What else specifically is no good about the Tinyhawk 2?
11:16 What else specifically is no good about the Freestyle 2?
13:19 How to prevent further damage?
Since the making of this video, I've done some investigation and figured out why the boards are failing prematurely and is discussed in Part 2:
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@DadsRCGarage 3 года назад

Loving your videos man! Thanks for sharing!

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Sure thing! I'm lagging on others I've been looking to produce.

@DadsRCGarage 3 года назад

@@Funcentric keep up the good work Bro!

@timlorne8869 3 года назад

Does your head fill all of that hat? I've had a TH2 for over a year now and i am still running the original board, the only issue i had was a batter calibration error

@Funcentric 2 года назад

Nope, I'm bald under there. (sorry for the late response; didn't see this until just now for some reason. I usually reply to all comments) Curious how many batteries you've run through the TH2 in that year. Some people fly a few packs every week and some fly a few packs daily so the numbers can vary quite a bit. Do you run it outdoors at all? on 2S ever or mainly 1S? Now in October of 2021, how's it holding up?

@timlorne8869 2 года назад

@@Funcentric Its still kicking, I run it on 2s 90% of the time as i like to abuse the shit out of my micro's, It spends more time on my shelf now than it does in the air mainly due to the power whoop i built being the best flying drone i have. I usually fly 3 packs minimum daily after work just to help relax. I fly outdoor yes

@keitharoo1962 3 года назад

Thank you so much for your honest review. I was literally just about to buy one of these....now, I'll keep looking for something better.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

I'm glad you found some benefit to my video. I'm not now turning around to tell you to buy the Emax TH2, but just so that you're comfortable with your decision as yours, you may want to also poke your head into one of the Tinyhawk Facebook Groups (even the one that I got booted from b/c they didn't like me summarizing what's been reported in their own group for months) and just observe what others are saying (and their followups), paying particularly closer attention to those who have had their TH2 for 3 months - not just the new guys who love the first few flights they've had. As you can see from all the DISLIKES on my video here, not everyone agrees with me. However, I still think the assessment is undeniable. It's not really my opinion as much as it is an observation. Good luck with your search *Newbeedrone, HINT HINT*.

@showdownz 3 года назад

Hey Keitharoo, I've owned my THFS2 for a while now and wanted to chime in with my 2 cents. The THFS2 is still a good quad, but its not perfect. The reason I loved Funcentric's vid here is cause its a more honest review of these products minus all the slobbering or sponsored love. If you're looking for a indoor flyer then yeah, I would find something else, but if your looking for an outdoor park flyer then the THFS2 is still good. I did end up upgrading mine cause the receiver antenna broke from going in and out of the foam and the receiver doesn't have a replicable antenna (major mistake IMO). I upgraded the VTX and RX to tbs nano products and hooked them to the quad using the Tinysled Sled. Its some super tight soldering but if you can do it, it's worth. One of the reasons I chose the THFS2 is cause it was upgradable. If you end up getting one, don't buy the bundle with controller included. The controller is complete garbage. You can get the drone and an ok pair of box goggles WITH a DVR for about the same and get a separate controller that supports D8 communication protocol. This will cost a bit more but is a much better solution.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@showdownz thanks for your contribution. He’ll want to add up the cost of the tiny sled, replacement rx and particularly the VTX too though. It adds up pretty quickly. Also the space for installing the AIO fc is not standard.

@keitharoo1962 3 года назад

@@showdownz Great information. Thanks!

@frankkolic9743 3 года назад

Thanks for the Honest review, us newbies really appreciate it!

@hawk030267 2 года назад

hello sir! i am a newbie going into drones, has emax addressed the issues you have mentioned in the video? i would be interested to get something that will not fail prematurely. is the happymodel mobula 7 V2 any better?

@Funcentric 2 года назад

No, Emax has not because they don't think it's an issue. They took the short cut for financial reasons I'm sure. Their ESC's were never meant to handle the full amp draw of the motor. To their credit though, there is a challenge in providing a quad that works with varying voltages using the same motors. Generally a high voltage quad is paired with low kv motors and a low voltage quad is paired with high kv motors. Can't really change motors, so they just dumbed down the potential of the motors for the higher voltage scenario. The Happymodel Mobula 7 V2 is what I got afterwards. I had high hopes, but honestly, the flight controller on that died pretty quickly too. The batteries that come with the Happymodel are also completely garbage and I don't say that lightly about anything. These really are junk. So definitely budget for different batteries if you get that quad. I highly recommend Newbeedrone especially if you're in the USA. The domestic support of a company that speaks English, situated in San Diego and is active on their Facebook Group is a high value thing. I love Newbeedrone and wouldn't recommend anything else. Full disclosure, I did have a Newbeedrone flight controller go bad but that wasn't until literally 1000+ battery packs. I flew that thing lots. At least 10-12 packs a day long term.

@hawk030267 2 года назад

@@Funcentric first off kudos to your most prompt reply sir! you are a truly class act for sharing this info to the fortunate few who will stumble upon to read it like i did! it takes a lot of grit treading this path. sadly on my side of the pond i can only dream of newbeedrone. i only have access to what banggood offers online which can be a hit or miss deal like your accounts of the mobula. it seems a 1S/2S operable whoop may be a difficult implementation for the OEM to accomplish properly. a design optimized 1S will get toasted electronics when you run it on 2S. OTOH, an optimized 2S design will suck flying in 1S. so is the mobula 7 v2 even close to achieving this?

@soflorclife6970 3 года назад

All great points, I’m actually right at 3 months with my TH2 hoping my board stays good. I did have a motor problem.... turned out to be connector issues as I bypassed the connector soldiered st8 to the board she’s been flying ever since. I just purchased the TH race hoping to have her in the air soon 🤙🏼 great video bro

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Glad you enjoyed the video. Just wanted to make sure I shared the info I was able to gather from various sources including my own experience. This is not really meant to be an Emax bashing video as much as it's to make sure new owners don't have too high expectations. I know all the glamor videos of the TH2 make it seems like the best thing for beginners getting into the hobby, but from what I've observed, that's a rare outcome. Glad yours is working okay. Enjoy it while it lasts. It's a blast while it's working. I still remember those days with the TH2 attached to my chest like I was never going to let it go. Some have contributed the issues to using turtle mode or on 2S, but I hesitate to go on board with that. The TH2 is a pusher meaning the props are on the bottom as opposed to the top of the frame. That means when the quad is upside down, the props are actually more protected than compared to a traditional setup. If anything, turtle mode on the TH2 would be a lot LESS vulnerable. I haven't found the motor to be particularly hot on 2S. As some have mentioned, the board is shared with the Freestyle 2 which is designed for 2S specifically so we know the board can handle 2S just fine. I contribute the issues of the TH2's board with just poor quality control or more likely, a bad batch - a bad giant batch.

@riggermortisfpv526 3 года назад

Im lucky, Ive been flying my tinyhawk freestyle 2 for 9 months with no vtx issues, fingers crossed. Cool vid, thanks.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Oh wow, gotta say I'm impressed. That's a rarity. Congrats.

@genboxofficial7417 3 года назад

So what tiny whoop would you recommend that’s made for indoors that runs on 1s and is very reliable. Preferably one that can pair to the included tiny hawk transmitter and goggles. Please reply I want to get a tiny whoop that’ll last long

@Funcentric 3 года назад

The goggles generally will pair with anything. You can use your goggles to watch other people fly. Think of it like a radio. Quad broadcast video and your goggles receive it. So Goggles should be compatible. I'm 99.9% sure unless you can't get Raceband. In all fairness, I've only had whoops from Emax and Newbeedrone so I don't have authority to recommend a whoop to you beyond Newbeedrone definitely being more reliable than Emax. I don't have BetaFPV quads to compare to nor other offerings by Eachine and the like. I do like that Newbeedrone is based in San Diego, CA in my home country of USA. Customer service is top notch. They participate in the Facebook Groups unlike Emax who you never hear from. Don't get scared away by the toy-like look of their quads. You and I both know we fell for the Tinyhawk 2 partly b/c of the good looks.

@anthonyfanning7594 3 года назад

1 year on th2, I've went through about 20 batteries, only issues I've had is video won't stay at anything other than 25mw, and leds basically fell out. Super tough. If board fails I've had so much fun I would just order another. Love this little bird!

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Thanks for sharing your experiences. If you're only flying 1 battery every 2 weeks, make sure you have your batteries on storage charge of 3.80v per cell. Hardcore guys will storage charge if batteries aren't used 2-4 days. Storage charge will keep your batteries in the best shape for your next flights. Although yours has held up a year, 20 batteries really isn't that much as far as usage. A lot of of us crazy and fly 20 batteries in a day. Haha. I'm pointing at myself. Enjoy the TH2. Take care.

@kodguerrero 3 года назад

Did you unlick the VTX? You need to press the button on it until it flashes

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@kodguerrero hey thanks foe taking the time to offer some help. Yeah, VTX is unlocked. I literally tried all the bands and channels in the Freestyle 2. Once the VTX was replaced, it now works perfectly. Just poor quality control from Emax. Too many incidence of failed VTX on customer’s quads.

@stargazer0953 3 года назад

Thank you for this video. What quad would you recommend purchasing in place of the Tinyhawk 2? I would like your opinion. Thank You.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

It depends on a few things. Will you be flying mostly indoors? Exclusively indoors? Does noise matter to you? Let me know so I can help you out further.Also will this be your first quadcopter? do you already have goggles and a radio already?

@stargazer0953 3 года назад

@@Funcentric Thank you for your quick response. Yes mostly indoors until spring then was planning on upgrading to a bigger quad. I have goggles and a Radiomaster tx 16x radio and have been practicing in Velocidrone. I also have the EMAX EZ Pilot FPV Drone RTF Kit. Thank you for your time.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@stargazer0953 I've had great experiences with Newbeedrone and they're budget friendly too. Reliability is key and things have gone well so far after at least 150 batteries - maybe even more than 200. I lost count. Newbeedrone is an American company based out of San Diego. If you're in the US, then this is good news. They're also active on the Facebook Group which is actually very helpful. Very engaged. At first, their quads may look dinky and no better than a JJRC H35 toy quad, but they're tuned very well and reliable so far. Very unassuming performer. They have a number of products from $50 quads to $150 ones. If you're flying most indoors, I would recommend the Acrobee Pro. It's a brushed one. You'll like the price, but it will require replacement motors on a regular basis as is the norm for brushed quads. Motors are decently priced and the quad itself is ridiculously quiet. I can't even tell it's on unless I'm looking at it. Seriously. NBD offers different type of motors, colors of frames if you're into modding. It comes with Gold motors which are the fast ones and required for flips and rolls. If you're flying indoors exclusively and don't plan on flips and rolls indoors, you can get away with the black motors as backup. If you fly primarily outdoors but want indoor control ability, then the Acrobee BeeBrain BL (brushless) is great. The tuning is ridiculously smooth. I'm always double checking to make sure I'm really on acro and not on stability mode b/c it's that smooth. Will make you think you're a better pilot than you are. A lot louder than the brushless one above. I own both and love both for different reasons. I'll try to do a video in the next couple of weeks about brushed vs brushless.

@billfromelma 3 года назад

Thanks for the backstory on newbeedrone. I had no idea they were a U.S. company. I will definitely B checking them out.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@billfromelma Yeah, I initially dismissed them purely b/c the frame looked so dinky and toy-like. There also weren't a lot of reviews at the time and still aren't as well known. It's very under appreciated. There's good tuning under there and reliability so far has been good. There are reports of failed boards too, but not nearly as much as Emax to a point where it's a known issue. Newbeedrone is based in San Diego, CA. They're very active on their Facebook Group and Instagram which to me is of great value in itself. The question now is "brushed vs brushless". Haha, I plan to do a video soon on deciding b/c I know it's something people are thinking about.

@andychen3674 3 года назад

I got a question so can the flight controller on the tinkhawk 2 be used to bind to the freestyle and will the tinyhawk be used also

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Apparently the flight controller is the same for both so they should be interchangeable.

@mathiaskildedal 3 года назад

I got the Tinyhawk 2, and i absolutely love it! It is one of my favorite quads. This is so fun flying inside, outside, in a parkinglot, on a playground. Absolute beast! Freestly seems meh to me because its in between the Tinyhawk and a 3" toothpick. I would rather choose a 3" toothpick over the Freestyle anytime.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Yeah I totally know the feeling. Glad you’re having fun with it. I have 3” toothpick running 3S and it’s definitely a beast over the Freestyle 2. Just flew the THF2 today and still like it though. Definitely different flying characteristics.

@mathiaskildedal 3 года назад

@@Funcentric Cool! Which one do you have? Can you recommend it?

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@mathiaskildedal The one I was referring to is a GepRC Skip HD3. However, there isn't a generic quad I'd recommend to everyone. It really depends on what your goals and expectations are. I don't want to steer you into the wrong direction just b/c I think a particular quad is good for me personally. I do like GepRC as a company though. Good customer service but sometimes it take a couple email reminders to get them moving. The products are known to be solid and really are. There are a lot of toothpicks to choose from in the market and I only have one so I can't really say whether this particular one is good for you or not - especially since I don't know you. The SkipHD3 has been taking hits pretty well but I think that's just a characteristic of toothpicks that are light in general and less momentum. I can tell you my experience with this particular quad, but I don't have enough experience with a fleet of others to really recommend anything in that category.

@jmanEOS17 3 года назад

Nice channel! To add my feedback for everyone reading this…Got my TH2 in August 2020. 4 months later, the two rear motors don’t spin anymore. I was flying 6-8, 1s packs a day, 3-4 days a week (hey working from home 'cause you know pandemic). Started noticing issues about 3 months in but I was already outgrowing it so I moved to the TH2 Freestyle to carry an Insta360 GO and loving it so far! I’ll keep an eye on the VTX. Even after a month with the Freestyle, I’m already thinking either a 5” or something like the iFlight Pro Tek 25. Still looking for an indoor tiny whoop to fly in the evening after work. I’m commercial Part 107 and coming from all DJI stuff (Inspire 1, Mavic 2 Pro and Zoom, Spark), FPV is just so much more fun! I am waiting to see what the new DJI FPV drone/googles/controller will be like.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Thanks for taking the time to share your experiences. Good to hear from other owners as well. Yeah, I came from the drone camp too and ended up selling my Mavic Pro to offset some of the costs for quads.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

The more love you have for the TH2, the more disappointing it would be if it stopped working, so I figure I owe you some more info I've discovered that will hopefully keep you running strong on your TH2. Hope you find this useful: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Lj59BUEXZKk.html

@collectorman7 2 года назад

bonjour et merci pour cette superbe vidéo , que conseillerais tu pour un débutant qui veut commencer avec un mini kwad d'intérieur ? de préférence un RTF , pourrais-tu m'aider s'il te plaît ? Merci :)

@Funcentric 2 года назад

Newbeedrone a été très fiable pour moi. Le mien a fini par casser, mais j'ai probablement utilisé plus de 800 batteries. C'est une société américaine. Je ne sais pas si vous pouvez l'obtenir en France par contre. Pour l'intérieur, recherchez quelque chose 1S. Le 2S est peut-être trop puissant pour l'intérieur. Recherchez également un quad doté de pièces remplaçables et faciles à commander.

@LouisLuzuka 2 года назад

*subbed* much love from Vancouver Canada

@diddlycinema 3 года назад

Hey Funcentric! You helped me a while ago and I like your honest opinions so here I am again! :) So I'm looking to get a new whoop (my TH2 broke, and I'm pretty sure its because of reasons you also know about) and I think I got it narrowed down to the Mobula6 or the NewBeeDrone Hummingbird F4 Pro. The problem with the Mobula is that it looks perfect except that it seems to have some quality control issues. And I know how high you are on NewBeeDrone. (Sometimes I suspect you are secretly an employee of theirs always boosting their products LOL!) And their Hummingbird F4 pro is priced competitively to the Mobula, and the performance is equal if not better from what I have seen. But their is one common problem with the F4 pro that many people seem to encounter. This reviewer (not me) says it well: This is by far the best flying race whoop I have ever had - all three of them were. It has an excellent tune out of the factory, it has plenty of power, it has all the features you want, and it wins races. The improved gyro puts this whoop head and shoulders above all the competition. The quad-blade Azi props on those wonderfully responsive NBD motors are a winning combination. The camera is clear and handles low-light racing better than any other in its weight class. The LEDs make it easy on race directors and spectators to determine who is flying what whoop. Were it not for an absolutely fatal flaw this would be the single best whoop you could buy and it would not be close. But one unlucky hit will kill the receiver on this whoop. It is a design flaw that Newbeedrone has been trying to fix through multiple board revisions and it's still there. I have lost 3 of them to this flaw. Once you get that RXLOSS message in your OSD it's either solder on an external receiver (which adds weight that largely ruins the flying qualities of the aircraft) or forget it. And you only have a one month warranty - which for a craft with a known design flaw is absolutely unacceptable. That's why this whoop will break your heart - it is so very close to perfection but because of the serious unresolved hardware flaws I CANNOT recommend this product. When this whoop is working it performs almost flawlessly. But if one gate hit can kill your whoop then all the fantastic performance in the world cannot make up for a complete lack of durability. Maybe someday Newbeedrone will get this product right - they are so tantalizingly close. But until that happens, steer away from this product unless you can live with an external receiver or there is a revision that fixes the dead RX issue. It seems like the design of where the RX is, is bad. What do you say to this? Should I still get the Hummingbird F4 pro? The Mobula? Another NewBeeDrone whoop? Or another whoop altogether? Thanks!

@michaelbryant3643 3 года назад

So what’s a better tiny drone? For beginners

@dustinfox5211 3 года назад

I really appreciate reviews like this. I others like myself see this before purchasing the TH2. Do you have any alternative recommendations for an indoor whoop?

@Funcentric 3 года назад

I found out some news today and will be releasing a Part 2 to this video. I don't know if you've read through the other comment responses. So what's happening is that the ESC's on the FC board aren't rated at a high enough amperage for the motors that are paired with it. Essentially, the motors are able to draw more amps than the ESC's can handle which explains why we are experiencing different results when comparing to the Tinyhawk Freestyle 2 which has different motor specs. News is that Emax has recognized this. Most including myself misunderstood the warning label on the quad which states to change the Profile Rate to Profile 2 when using 2S. Many of us misinterpreted this as changing the PID profile to Profile 2. We thought this b/c it is normal to have PID settings different based on different battery sizes. It's quite new to limit the Profile Rate as that's not anything I've seen before to be required of customers operating a quad. Basically, Emax is telling us we cannot change rates to be any higher than what's included for Rate Profile 2. This is highly unusual b/c Rates are generally very customized to each pilot and people are expected to change them all the time. So rather than creating a new board with ample ESC's with a amp rating high enough to sustain the amp draw of the motors b/c it would cost too much in production, they've limited customers to what they can do on the quad for settings that is not standard practice. At the end of the day, Emax is telling us it's our fault for operating the quad incorrectly which technically is true.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

For an indoor whoop, I'd like to refer you to my video about Brushed vs Brushless quads. There's a few things you need to consider to determine. There's no overall best indoor quad. The ones in the examples do not have 4k/HD cameras or anything fancy like that. I like Newbeedrone b/c they're based in the United States, San Diego actually. Customer service is excellent. They participate in the Facebook Groups. That in itself is a big win as far as I'm concerned. I've been very happy with their products and each has gone through at least 400 batteries apiece and still running strong.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Part 2 is out as promised. I've put together and published a follow up video discussing why there are frequent and premature failure rates on the TH2 but not the THF2 even though they both share the same FC. Hope you find this useful: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Lj59BUEXZKk.html

@dustinfox5211 3 года назад

@@Funcentric Thanks, that video is really helpful! I did end up getting the tinyhawk2 and I have yet to fly it on 2s, so I'm glad I saw this. I'll stick with 1s till my next quad!

@andyt12_ 3 года назад

Hi Funcentric! I JUST GOT a Tinyhawk II for Christmas, and was super excited after seeing all the glowing RU-vid reviews. I am a COMPLETE noob in FPV and this will be my first FPV quad. (Radiomaster TX16S on the way!) But then I saw your vid. I haven't used the TH2 yet. Do you think I should return it? If so, what whoop should I get that is friendly for beginners, but I won't grow out of?

@Funcentric 3 года назад

I'm only reporting my own experience and that of others that I've informally surveyed on Facebook Groups and Instagram. There are a few that have TH2's that are still using them after 3 months, but not nearly as many that have had issues. If I were to go back knowing what I know, I would've gotten a Newbeedrone to start with. Nothing but good experiences after hundreds of battery packs. The frame is not indestructible like the Emax ones, but they are cheap to replace and indestructible doesn't really mean much if the quad isn't flying. As others have mentioned in the comments, the Freestyle AIO board is the same as the one in the TH2 which makes me think it could've been a bad batch that was used in the TH2. I won't pretend to know why but again, these are observations - not opinions. Don't get me wrong, the Emax TH2 is great while it flies but just too many people who have left to go to other brands and I can see why. So the long winded answer is that maybe you can give the TH2 a try since you got it as a gift and maybe you'll be one of those that have it still working after 3 months of continual use. I just wouldn't modify it too much b/c it may most likely end up being time and dollars going into something that may end up no longer flying. The Emax customer service isn't what it's cracked out to be. Whereas Newbeedrone is based in the USA and participates heavily in their Facebook Group. The only whoop I have that I say would be less likely to grow out of would be the Newbeedrone Beebrain BL (brushless). The board on the Mobula7 had issues too. The Newbeedrone Acrobee Pro (brushed) is great, but you won't be able to do acro as easily and I'd consider more as a cruiser.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

I'm thinking about it a little more and I don't want to kill your fire nor that of whoever gifted the TH2 to you. You should still be very excited about it b/c it's a good quad (while it works). Maybe just play with it with caution and don't fall in love with it. If you have this knowledge I've shared in your back pocket and you do end up experiencing the same thing, you at least won't be as disappointed. I'm hesitant to tell you to straight up return it b/c it's junk b/c it's not. I just felt like I was obligated to report my experiences. My unique position to have surveyed owners to be able to report was also something I felt like I shouldn't just keep to myself. Going through all this made me realize also that as much as I cherish and support professional reviewers, I can appreciate that they're so overwhelmed with product reviews that they may not have the experience of long term ownership of a quad. I hesitate to do any real reviews of quads until I've gone through at least 50-100 battery packs to really get to know the ins and outs. Haiboxing (rc car company) for instance offered some reviewers a free rc car in exchange for a review but it had to be done in 2 weeks. There's nothing I can contribute that would be helpful if I'm limited to driving it for only 2 weeks so I didn't take the offer. There's so much on RU-vid these days that I don't think it helps to just provide more of the same.

@SchuylerL 3 года назад

I’ve had my th2 and th2fs for a while now with the tx16s and have had nothing but success. I feel like this video is over exaggerating problems.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@SchuylerL Awhile meaning more than 3 months? This is from my experience and the results of my own informal surveys across Facebook Groups and Instagram. I was hoping to find fewer incidence of the issues I was having but unfortunately it's on a regular basis that someone is reporting the exact same thing. I wish I had joined Facebook Groups first before buying the quad. But like lots of people, I too relied only on RU-vid videos for sources of reviews to make my buying decision. I fell so hard for the glamor that I totally forgot that professional reviewers don't spend a whole lot of time with the quads in order to be able to provide feedback from long term ownership. They've got so many in their fleet, it's always time to move onto the next thing. I'm genuinely happy for you that your two Emax products are still in good shape. You're definitely not the norm. This is meant to be less of an Emax bashing video and more of just letting people know so they're not too disappointed if/when they too experience the same things. To participate in the survey, it would be great if you could come back after 3 months of regular flying and report back. It's good to have people comment who have hit the 3 month mark and are still flying on their original VTX's of the Freestyle 2 or that their TH2 is still operational. I'm not looking to be "right", so all info is good info. Please do visit back and comment. Would love to hear from you. People need to know that they may be just dating their Emax quads temporarily rather than falling too in love initially and then becoming too disappointed. You never forget your first quad.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

I don't know if you've decided to keep your TH2 or not. On the chance that you did end up keeping it, I wanted to share some additional info I have on keeping it alive. Hope you find this useful: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Lj59BUEXZKk.html

@jaymeadows613 3 года назад

Haven't had mine a month and feel the same way. First "real" quad and already a binding issue. Was just fine then halfway, 'not even', through a battery quad goes into bind mode. ? .. Its stuck there. I guess? Any input would be helpfuk. If I haven't sent it back.

@fpvStatic 3 года назад

How difficult is it to switch the vtx in the th2f for some one who has no soldering skills?

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Extremely. I further reinforce this in my more recent video about how the THF2 is not for beginners. It's annoying at best. What makes it difficult is that it's not just wires connecting it. There's a plastic pin connector that you need to remove the stock VTX from. It's a bit hard to explain why it's difficult, but if you attempt it, you'll soon see why. I was trying to simply replace my RX antenna yesterday, spent over an hour and still can't get it done. Stripping the antenna to prepare for the soldering was luckily completed but soldering it onto the pad was challenging and at the last moment when I was trying to solder the ground to the pad, the other piece snapped off the board. So basically gotta start over preparing a new antenna. It's annoying that there's no UFL connector like every other quad in this class has.

@showdownz 3 года назад

The trick when removing the motors is loosen all 3 screws before removing ANY of them. Once one screw is out, the motor can spin and will rip the wires cause they are super delicately attached. This lesson cost me a quick 10$. And kept me out of the air till the new motor arrived. Also thank you for this vid. Good info and its needed. Wish I would have found it sooner. Still happy with the THFS2 though.

@Funcentric 2 года назад

That’s EXACTLY what happened to me. You wrote out the solution quite well. Spot on. I wish I knew that earlier.

@rc_fan84 3 года назад

Clear video, great points you make. First I loved the Tiny Hawk 2, but after flying other whoops I started to doubt the Tiny Hawk 2. It's still a fun 1s inhouse flyer.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Thanks for the feedback. I think Emax has done an effective job of marketing themselves as the go-to for new folks. The new guys gravitate towards Emax w/o really questioning it b/c of all the hype from reviewers. They including myself when I first got the TH2 don't really take into account that reviewers may not have a lot of time with the quads long enough to really speak to ownership as much as they can about initial performance of a tester quad. Figured I'd share some thoughts as an actual user flying it as a primary quad (at the time).

@diddlycinema 3 года назад

Just got a th2 for Christmas and I haven't used it yet. If it breaks by itself bc of the board or something failing (and not due to my crashing) and it is in New condition will emax refund me or exchange me with a new one?

@Funcentric 3 года назад

I can't speak for Emax. However, I can tell you that I was denied specifically b/c my Freestyle 2 looked like it had crashed. It wasn't in bad shape at all. No grass stains or anything. Basically, the props were not in perfect condition. The crash was due to the VTX failing, so that's quite unfair. This is their email to me: "Unfortunately I will not be able to cover this under warranty. We only cover factory defects and there is some flying damage on this craft. I can see damage to the props alone with scuffs on the frame by the motors. Also looks like you tapped over damage to the vtx antenna." The TH2 is a lot more durable as far as the frame. I do think it's indestructible. However, it is very vulnerable to grass stains particularly on the underside of the frame. The LED's will rip off eventually and you'll end up yanking the rest off yourself. You can't really clean that even with patience and a q-tip. You'll drive yourself nuts cleaning it and every motor would have to be desoldered in order to remove all electronic components to freely clean the frame wish soap and water. Then you'd have to resolder all the motors back. Not something anyone really does. It's like a BMW or AUDI w/o the performance. Hard to work on. If your quad is in new condition, you have a chance at a warranty claim. If it shows any sign of wear and yes, they'll look super closely, you're out of luck.

@diddlycinema 3 года назад

Ok, thanks

@Funcentric 3 года назад

In case you did decide to keep the TH2, I wanted to share with you something I discovered recently that will help you keep your TH2 alive. Been doing some investigation and this is what I've found. Hope you find this useful: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Lj59BUEXZKk.html

@diddlycinema 3 года назад

@@Funcentric about to take a watch. Thanks a lot man, I did decide to keep it and so far its doing great. But this vid might teach me a few things. You are awesome in this community.

@havedronewillfly3023 2 года назад

Actually a year later looks like I'm reviewing this video thinking this is absolutely why I want to buy a Tiny hawk 2 freestyle I've watched a few of your videos. I wanted to start out in FPV after flying camera drones but I didn't want to get bored. Even though I bought one of the ready to fly kits I plan on experimenting with this drone quite a bit. I'm gonna be doing VTX Upgrades and really learning a lot. Thank you for the videos

@Funcentric 2 года назад

I definitely do recommend the Freestyle 2 version over the regular Tinyhawk 2. Two very different uses, but the Freestyle has a much more reliable setup. The pairing of motors with the flight controller is much better suited on the Freestyle for sure. I've had good luck with a BetaFPV quad as of late. The Beta85x Pro 2 is my current favorite.

@nategod1176 3 года назад

2 failed boards in 5 months with my TH freestyle 2, I relate with this.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

That's actually quite unusual. It's the TH2 that has issues. I've since discovered it's because of the motor they paired with the FC on the TH2. More info on my Part 2 video. Part 3 is coming.

@nategod1176 3 года назад

@@Funcentric First one failed just within warranty, sent it back, they said the board failed at one esc and gave me a new one. New one fell out the sky 3 months later.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@nategod1176 Wow, I'm surprised they actually honored the warranty. Lucky you. You had to pay for shipping, didn't you? Or did they cover that both ways? Yeah, for whatever reason the 3 month mark is fairly common for failed components on the Emax stuff. The ESC's are rated decent for the motor size of the THF2, but not the TH2 at all. I wish overall in the industry, components are just made of better quality. We'd all be willing to pay too.

@nategod1176 3 года назад

@@Funcentric No shipping, took the box and email to the UPS store, no problem. My problem is that I can't trust the product now.

@Romanian_Productions 3 года назад

After a strong crash with my th2 race and start losing telemetry all the time , I decided to change the esc from my tinyhawk 2 to the th2 race. After 10 flights, just fell from the sky and is not working anymore, no more connection to the beta flight, no more connection to the controller, finish, kaput!!!

@BIGDRONEFLYER77RC 3 года назад

You didn’t know both of those drones have the same board right? Just thought I’d let you know. Have a great New Year’s man hopefully you don’t have problems with that board in your freestyle since the same.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Yes, I'm aware of the quads have the same board. I don't recall if they're flashed with the same firmware though. I should've mentioned that in the video. It's only a guess b/c I can't really explain it myself but maybe it was a bad batch? Maybe they changed their manufacturing methods. Just poor quality control perhaps. I can't make any claims to know. Could be that beginners are naturally reporting more issues. But my informal surveys were me initiating conversation with many owners of the TH2 - not just ones that have reported or posted issues. I was surprised to hear the overwhelming numbers of folks who have had similar issues as myself vs ones that were just fine after several months. I tried to be fair in the video starting out with what I like about Emax as a whole and I genuinely really do hope they look more into this b/c I do believe the TH2 would be awesome if their components were more reliable. Same thoughts on the VTX of the Freestyle 2. I just wish I took more initiative to research actual long term end customers' experiences vs relying on only RU-vid videos by reviewers. Nothing against them, but I can appreciate that they have a ton of quads and have limits on long term experiences with any given quad. I'm always curious what professional reviewers fly as their go-to when they're not making a video.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

The KV rating on the TH2 and the Freestyle 2 are vastly different. The FC I don't believe is inherently bad on its own. It's the collaboration with the motors that makes the TH2 vulnerable to ESC's blowing out vs the same ESC's on the Freestyle 2. The Freestyle 2 uses 7000 or 7500kv motors whereas as the TH2 uses 16000kv motors. The higher KV motors are probably drawing more amps than the ESC's can handle. Since the Freestyle 2 has a vastly lower KV rating, it's not drawing as many amps and isn't getting as close to the limit of the ESC's amperage rating. Hence more failure on the TH2 than the Freestyle 2. For more info on how all that works, you can check out my video playlist about Brushless Conversion for RC cars. Same principle regarding how the components work together.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Getting back to you on the identical boards. I've put together and published a follow up video discussing why there are frequent and premature failure rates on the TH2 but not the THF2 even though they both share the same FC. Hope you find this useful: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Lj59BUEXZKk.html

@PauliG 3 года назад

I think I may have been a part of one of your “informal” surveys on FB. I am on my third TH2. It was my first drone, and I really loved flying it until the board fried. So I bought another and “user error” caused it to slam into a tree and one of the motors died. I tried fixing it to no avail. I just bought by third, because I am a glutton for punishment, but also I really want to have one in my “collection” but unfortunately it’s still the ONLY one in my “collection” because I have to keep buying new ones. This is my last one. Win or lose. I can’t wait to step up to something more powerful. I will in the spring. I’m looking into some sort of 3S. I will just stick to flying my TH2 indoors during the winter and crossing my fingers this one lasts. Thanks for the honest video. Cheers!

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Yeah, sure. No problem. Figured I should say something even if it means Emax hates me and fanboys click the dislike button. Haha. Yes, I do remember our conversations. Thanks for sharing info with me. Sorry to hear about your TH2's. Sounds like you're still having fun though and keeping at it with the hobby which is great. I fear some people have bad experiences and then think it's like this everywhere with all products. Happy flying and stay safe!

@Funcentric 3 года назад

I wanted to let you know that I've done some further investigation into why the boards are failing. Since you've gone through so many TH2's you may find this knowledge useful. I've put together and published a follow up video discussing why there are frequent and premature failure rates on the TH2 but not the THF2 even though they both share the same FC: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Lj59BUEXZKk.html Good luck with your future 3S quad. Stay safe.

@rohitkudre3792 3 года назад

Thanks for the video! As a newbie, Emax is everywhere and is presented as the go to option by several reviewers and users. I was looking into buying it but I am skeptical now. Do you have an alternative recommendations for a newbie? The freestyle looks enticing but I am a mega noob so I don't feel comfortable flying it without the propeller guards.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Sure thing, glad you enjoyed it. I have another video about brushed vs brushless quads, how to pick. It uses Newbeedrone as examples *hint hint*. They're ducted so they have those propeller guards that's important to you. The TH Freestyle 2 has known VTX issues. Still a good quad but if you get it, you'll need to budget another $25-30 on top of the cost of the $120 quad. At that point, you have so many more options w/o the reliability problem and need to solder that it's probably worth exploring other options. As a "mega noob", you might find some of my other videos useful. I don't assume in the videos that viewers know a ton of jargon or other stuff. My video collection so far is a collection of topics I've learned starting from scratch that hopefully will help you too. With your experience in designing gesture controlled robots, I'm sure you'll catch on super quick and will probably have ideas on quad mods. Let me know if you ever custom build a quad. I'd be interested in checking it out. I wouldn't start there though. Better to learn to repair first before attempting to build.

@rohitkudre3792 3 года назад

@@Funcentric thanks for the quick response! I'll definitely check out more of your videos. I am definitely interested in building some quads but I was hoping to start off by understanding what all is involved first. Hopefully soon!

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@rohitkudre3792 Yeah, so much more complicated than RC cars with all the firmware, compatibility of components with concern to flight characteristics, its electronics and even weight. If you've never flown a quad ever before, I recommend a toy grade one, seriously. A JJRC H36. It's $35, not an FPV quad but a quad nonetheless and it'll teach you to get used to the controls. Good indoor flyer and makes for a great regift if you get bored with it. Also a cheap way to determine if you even like flying quads. Also super durable.

@rohitkudre3792 3 года назад

@@Funcentric I have been flying the snaptain S5C. It's okay but also very crappy sometimes. But it's kinda fun to fly. I just bought a Eachine E013 RTF kit and I'm really excited to try that! I've heard good and bad things about it but for $60 I am not going to complain. That's probably the cheapest FPV drone I'll get. I'm also looking into TXs that I can use to practice on a simulator before I buy the real thing. The weather has been very windy here so I reckon I won't be able to fly outside for a decent amount of time.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@rohitkudre3792 yeah, i'm having trouble with the weather too. I'm so desperate to fly that I've been flying over parking lots shortly after the rain stops instead of grass (that still might be wet) like I normally do. I'm more scared of wet grass than concrete. Hehe.

@curbie1150 2 года назад

I was close to dropping for it. I was considering also the Cetus RTF bundle, dirt cheap. controllers and goggles can also be used with other drones, any thoughts ? I have $330 coming back on a defecting GPS drone to spend on FPV. I like indestructable !

@Funcentric 2 года назад

I love the BetaFPV Lite Radio which is what I use as my primary and only radio. I would consider BetaFPV. RTF only if you're on the fence about the hobby. If you're the type to go neck deep into hobbies, then the goggles may not last you that long as far as future proofing.

@AsgardStudios 2 года назад

Excellent info! I just bought two replacement FC's and cant get either board to go into DFU mode (and yes, tried every possible method) :(

@maximuschapman7760 2 года назад

Driver issue on your computer...

@johnharris2683 3 года назад

is it where your tiny Hawk just starts flying like crazy that happened to mine and I'm at about the three-month mark. but I'm also wondering if maybe I went past a certain point on the battery and it restarted the betaflight configuration maybe. it just flies like a crazy person. you can barely control it down the hallway and it's just jumping all over the place.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Maybe check the accelerometer?

@Funcentric 3 года назад

It's also possible that you accidentally changed to a different rate profile that's making the sticks more sensitive if it's not the calibration of the motor/esc that's out of wack. The issue I was discuss in the video though has a symptom of a twitchy motor. I've put together and published a follow up video discussing why there are frequent and premature failure rates on the TH2 but not the THF2 even though they both share the same FC. Hope you find this useful: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Lj59BUEXZKk.html

@CarbonGlassMan 3 года назад

I had a strange problem with mine. I bound in D16 mode and that worked with no problems for a few months. Then it started falling out of the air, failsafing, after a few seconds of flight. The problem turned out to be the board just all of a sudden decided it was not going to work in D16 mode anymore. I had to get the BetaFPV Lite radio to bind in D8. No problems after that, but I did replace a few boards and all motors and camera because I did not believe it was a problem with the radio. Every single new board would failsafe after a few seconds in D16. Strangely enough, my Tinyhawk Freestyle 2 continues to work in D16 mode and it uses the exact same board. I spent a lot more than if I had just bought a new TH, but I was determined to find out what the problem was by replacing parts. So now I have extra boards, extra motors and an extra camera.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

... but no extra money. I hate how Emax sucks the $$$ out of us. Unfortunately I don’t think any of the problems you’ve experienced are your fault.

@CarbonGlassMan 3 года назад

@@Funcentric That is such a huge problem for new people. It was for me. I was new so when something didn't work I didn't know of I did something wrong or of the product was broken. I'm finally to the point where I know enough about what I'm doing to know if the problem is me or a DOA product.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@CarbonGlassMan yeah the Emax stuff has been quite tough for the crowd. It’s geared towards newbies or at least marketed that way but quality control issues get people like yourself stuck. Good that you’re now much more knowledgeable and can use that for future stuff.

@me-vo3di 3 года назад

Please do this: profile 1 set auto_profile_cell_count = 2 set motor_output_limit = 70 save and that should limit the current flow on 2S

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Thanks! Rate profile 2, at least the old CLI has the 75% throttle limit on it already. I’m working on a third video for this series.

@Schlaegel 3 года назад

I think the two have the same FC. It has a frustrating low margin for ESC and only offers low, low amps. I'm on the third board, but yes, great frames. (I've never had a VTX fail, but still the direct soldered linear antenna was a poor choice.) I swapped on a Runcam Split 3, and added a buzzer, and crossfire. Their proprietary FC mount and proprietary motor mount are also annoying.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Thanks for contributing to the comments with your experience and situation. I can ask explain the reasoning for more frequent failures of the tiny hawk FC versus the freestyle FC other than to speculate that perhaps it is poor quality control or maybe a different batch. My mistake was that I didn’t join Facebook groups to evaluate other peoples experiences compared to the glorified RU-vid reviews. Sorry to hear about you being on your third board. But it sounds like you’re hanging in there and enjoy it.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Getting back to you on the identical boards. You are absolutely right about the low margins on the ESC - in fact it's too low for the motors they included in the TH2! I've put together and published a follow up video discussing why there are frequent and premature failure rates on the TH2 but not the THF2 even though they both share the same FC. Hope you find this useful: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Lj59BUEXZKk.html

@user-ti9bt1ng7v 3 года назад

So, would geprc tinygo rtf kit be a good idea to start fpv?

@Funcentric 3 года назад

I actually don’t have that quad but I know geprc is a reliable company. I have a couple of their products. Shipping direct from them costs $15 to the USA ans takes about 2 weeks if you can’t get it locally. Don’t get it from Amazon because you might get someone else’s returned product. Only use racedayquads.com pyrodrone.com getFPV.com or newbeedrone.com.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

I have had great experiences with newbeedrone. They have a brushed or brushless rtf kit too.

@user-ti9bt1ng7v 3 года назад

@@Funcentric thank you very much, but isnt bangood a nice site? It is more convinient to use it due to my location,europe

@marcomartinez9181 2 года назад

What's the best tiny drone there is?

@Funcentric 2 года назад

I don't think anyone will be able to answer that for you. You'll have to be more specific. It depends on what you take as priority. Personally, I prioritize availability and response from companies as a must. For that, if you're in the USA, nothing beats Newbeedrone as they're located domestically in San Diego, have a good response times and are active in their Facebook Groups. It also depends on whether this is your first quad and what you plan to do with it. Indoors vs outdoors. If indoors and you have a dog/cat, you'll want a brushless one. A brushed one will suck up all the hairs and you'll be clearing it out every two seconds. If you need it to be completely silent due to sleeping kids or wife who gets annoyed, you'll want a brushed one.

@jessjoshwyatt3571 2 года назад

The problem I had was either the camera or board, but the first one I got within a week the wires going into the back of the camera from the fc. Everytime I would plug in a battery the back of the camera would start smoking and eventually melted the plastic behind the camera. Anyone else have that problem or just me lol?

@Funcentric 2 года назад

That sounds like a one off problem. Did Emax ever replace it under warranty?

@jessjoshwyatt3571 2 года назад

@@Funcentric yes sir after a hundred questions lol. They wanted me to video me plugging in a battery and watching the camera smoke. I was like I'm not purposely melting this thing but I'll send it to ya and u can plug it in and see it so they told me to send it back and they mailed a new one. No problem since but wish I knew what happened.

@Funcentric 2 года назад

@@jessjoshwyatt3571 solder joint probably shorted something. I built one, flew it maybe 40x and it smoked too. Was my favorite too. Shutterbug85 from RU-vidr.

@Funcentric 2 года назад

@@jessjoshwyatt3571 smart move.

@GeezerGramps 3 года назад

I was thinking about getting a Tinyhawk 2 to replace my Tinyhawk S which has a bad board. Not being on FB or IG this is the 1st I’ve heard of the board issue on the TH2. Thanks for the information

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Part 2 of the video series has more info. I’m working on a Part 3 as well.

@bchasefpv8925 3 года назад

Same for me. 3 months in and my th2 board has failed. I must say I loved the quad. It was my first and it looks likenits been through hell lol. But I won't spend that money on a new board. My th2 freestyle has been good to me. So far so good. Thanks for your video, really enjoyed it.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Sorry to hear. Yeah, it's typical. A lot of people are buying these on the hype since it seems to be the go-to quad to get based on quick flights. Very glorified, but no one wants to publicly talk about the downfalls of long term ownership. Hope this video catches a few people - not necessarily to prevent them from getting the quad b/c I don't have anything personal against Emax, just so that people can at least "prepare their hearts" for a failing FC so they're not so devastated 3 months in. It's more like a quad you want to date - not one you want to marry.

@5FiveseveN7 2 года назад

I love the TH2 but I'm am on my second board also. I flew mine in a parking lot on a slightly breezy day and when I landed I put in a new battery and it never flew again. I bought a new board and it's been flying fine.

@Funcentric 2 года назад

Between Emacs, happy model, and newbeedrone, has been more reliable by far. I have been able to run at least five times the number of battery packs through a newbeedrone product because it has lasted long enough.

@BowOneFire 3 года назад

Does the tiny hawk race 2 have the same problem as the freestyle 2?

@Funcentric 3 года назад

I assume you’re talking about my freestyle 2 video and not this one. Yes, the race 2 shares the same fc it appears, has similar motor size so the issues I mentioned in my separate freestyle 2 video would be the same. No UFL connector, etc.

@AbdullahAzrael 2 года назад

I really wanted to get into fpv and I got this little tiny Hawk and it failed right out of the box I never got to fly fpv I need something else that I can learn on

@Funcentric 2 года назад

Yeah, you're not the only one unfortunately. Curious if you bought the TH2 from Amazon though. They've been reselling returned items as new. If you got it from there, you easily could've experienced that. Never buy quads from Amazon. I should probably just make a video stating just that.

@TheJoker6789 2 года назад

Don't feel to bad been flying for over ten years. Ordered the tiny hawk III same thing. Tried unplugging battery a dozen times to calibrate. Only three motors would spin then only two. Quality control issue bad board I think. Damn thing is I didn't hear anything bad about emax until after I bought this thing. They said to send it back and I did they received it the other day we will have wait and see how long it takes for them to send it back. When first purchased from them they shipped really fast. Considering these circumstances I would think they would have already sent the replacement.

@MANDOXsquid Год назад

I have the tinyhawk 2 freestyle and it's a. Amazing quad. Kinda limited in certain areas for upgrades but it almost doesn't need much.

@HighVoltageMadness Год назад

The EMAX TinyHawks are some of my favorite quads. They are nearly indestructible and they seem to have fixed the board related issues including the vtx. I have been running my tinyhawk FS 2 for months with no issues. VTX is still working absolutely fine. I have crashed it hundreds of times and the only thing I needed to fix so far was lose screws.

@Funcentric Год назад

Glad you had a good experience. The TINYHAWK frame is pretty good, but not so sure about the reliability of the electronics. Happy to hear yours is holding up though. They're definitely fun when they're working. No doubt.

@theUnmanifest 3 года назад

my board failed as well, hitting an indoor wall at low speed on my 10th battery. not a hard crash at all, but a weird crash. they replaced it, but it was a pain in the butt to send it and wait for it back etc... now im being a little more careful with it

@Funcentric 3 года назад

How were you able to get a replacement? So many of us have had trouble getting replacements from Emax.

@theUnmanifest 3 года назад

@@Funcentric I told them the truth, that I only flew 10 batteries and hit a wall lightly. They asked me to send them pics of the drone and I did, they decided to replace it based on that info. Then they offered to send me a new board or for me to send it in for repair, I sent it in because I wasn't comfortable with soldering it myself, but I think by doing this, they could have potentially charged me for the piece of they had found out it was damaged due to a hard crash. Good luck to everyone

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@theUnmanifest oh wow. I had gone through less than 20 battery packs, had crashed a few times but non of those lead up to what ultimately was a failed VTX. Worked one day and not the next. They offered me 10% off a new FC which is still basically $60 when considering tax and shipping.

@theUnmanifest 3 года назад

@@Funcentric yes I totally get the frustration, tough pill to swallow, sorry for your pain

@MrHotjag 3 года назад

What vtx do you recommend

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Although it's not the TH2's VTX that is known to fail, it certainly can. The VTX that's known to fail is on the THF2. I asked the same question as you are asking now of many folks with the THF2 and there's a big consensus on the benefits and value of using the TBS Unify Pro Nano 5g8. That's the one I used. It's quite expensive at $30ish relative to the overall price of the quad, but it kept me going, so I did buy and install that w/o issue. What ultimately had me sell the THF2 is indicated in my THF2 video. Much of it is the design characteristics of the quad and the poor quality and non standard sized flight controller.

@user-vr1qv6qe7f 3 года назад

I can agree with this video for the most part my th2freestyle had vtx issues since DAY 1 on 200mw i could only fly half of my 4-5 acre yard. Tbs unify pro32 nano 500mw, a different rx, pro grade goggles and trans later. I love it.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Nice. It’s actually better when you have the new VTX so you don’t have to worry about it huh? I have the same one as you.

@user-vr1qv6qe7f 3 года назад

@@Funcentric yeah it really was. Their goggles had just as many issues as the vtx but once i swapped both ive had 0 issues with video. The unify does better at 25mw than the stock on 200 any day. 100mw with tbs doubled that.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@user-vr1qv6qe7f yeah, Emax needs to find a new supplier or learn from those that know what they’re doing.

@b1icky 2 года назад

Wish I had watched this before. My thf2 vtx came busted on arrival. I can’t even apply thrust without the signal cutting out.

@Funcentric 2 года назад

Hmmm, that's not a typical issue though. Maybe I can help. Are you referring to the visual VX signal or the RX signal with the transmitter? Also, did you buy it from Amazon, Banggood or an online hobby store?

@TheJoker6789 2 года назад

Same thing here with a tinyhawk 3

@steeldragonjovi 3 года назад

Thanks for the info. My first TH2 RTF kit stopped pairing with the controller within maybe 3 weeks. Emax was absolutely no help at all in terms of customer service, so I sent it back and got a replacement for free (thanks to Amazon). My second kit failed a few months after owning it which I’m sure is the board issue. After watching this, I’m done with Emax and am now searching for my next product.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

In defense of Emax though, just realize that Amazon's return policy as you've noted is in fact too good. They do resell returned items as new so there's always a chance that you receive someone else's lemon. I've heard of cases where that was more than suspect. If you haven't seen my part 3 video yet, it might be worth a look if you want more detail on why the failures are happening. Every company seems to have its issues, but I love that Newbeedrone is based in the USA where I'm at and even in California. They participate heavily in their Facebook Groups, so the support is definitely there which has a huge value in itself. If you're considering their product, don't be swayed by it's toy-like looks. I've had good experiences with both my NBD products, each which by now has gone through maybe 400+ battery packs apiece.

@steeldragonjovi 3 года назад

@@Funcentric thanks for the info! Yeah, I’m at a point where I’m considering getting into more high-end gear. The Tinyhawk was a great intro for me into the hobby, minus the fact it let me down. I want to get DJI goggles and controller (so I can go digital), and I’m looking at a long range drone. I’m still new to the hobby, so I’m hesitant about spending that much money. I want a brand that is consistent and reliable (unlike my experience with Emax).

@sokatpatel3963 3 года назад

So true mine failed in month.

@albertatlinguasoft 2 года назад

It is true. I've got a problem with the board as well after 2 times flying. I returned the drone to a seller and bought Mobula6.

@billfromelma 3 года назад

I'm in the same situation. Not sure i want to spend any more money on emax. Have a tinyhawk s that had about 50 packs through it and it started losing power mid flight. Good voltage but would struggle to stay in the air. I suspect the esc but heard the motor connectors are worth checking out. Just got a tinyhawk 2 a few weeks ago. Probably 100 packs threw it. Crashed and may have had the pigtail get caught in a motor. Now the right rear motor seems weaker and it too struggles to stay in the air. The led's arent as bright on that position also. I absolutly love how these fly. Too bad the electronics are not too reliable.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Sorry for the late response. Didn't see you pop in. You can use BLHeli downloaded as a Chrome Addon app to check the ESC's. If you see 4, then they're good. Mine were good too. Yes, check the connections of the motors. I actually hope that's the problem for you b/c that means you have a solution that doesn't involve a replacement board. If the connections are good, you've reflashed the ESC's and replaced the motors and it's still having trouble, I suspect it's the board. But since the LED's are dimming, that tells me it's most likely a connection issue which is good news. Check that. Sometimes the plastic connectors disconnect or have poor connections under the plastic that you can't really see so you may need to tear it apart to check or buy a new motor with the new replacement connector. Let me know how it goes. Would be interested to know. From what I've observed of other people, the S seems to be more reliable than the TH2, but I really haven't done significant surveys for the S like I have for the TH2, so can't really speak to that.

@billfromelma 3 года назад

Thanks for the feedback. I hooked both up to betaflight and tested the motors. Both motor no.1 would'nt make full power compared to the others. Also motor no.3 would'nt even respond on the s. I puchased both from rdq and have an open help ticket currently to see if they can help. I will post an update when i have one.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@billfromelma That's the same problem I had with the motor. One would twitch after a certain RPM. Initially upon first throttle, it would run correctly as if I fixed it, but then a second later, it would cap off at half RPM and twitch. I figured it was motor related and swapped it out 3x, the first few thinking maybe my soldering was just no good. But after using a plastic connector from the TH1, it still twitched, so it's not the connection. Have you checked BLHeli to make sure the ESC's are all shown? RDQ is a good company, but they don't really owe you anything. It's not at all their fault and they're not really in the business of troubleshooting quads. You can try you luck with Emax, but I haven't had the good experience of customer service as RU-vid reviewers have reported enough to make it seem like Emax is reknown for good customer service. From my observation of reports on Facebook Groups though, Emax customer service is not all that. But try it. You have nothing to lose.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

It's been a month so I don't know if your TH2 is still having issues or if you've been able to repair it. Either way, I wanted to share some info with you that I've discovered about the situation with the premature failures of the flight controllers. I've put together and published a follow up video discussing why there are frequent and premature failure rates on the TH2 but not the THF2 even though they both share the same FC. Hope you find this useful: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Lj59BUEXZKk.html

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@billfromelma It's been a few weeks, did Emax get back to you? Curious on the follow up. Speaking of which I have some new info regarding the board situation with the TH2's, ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Lj59BUEXZKk.html

@LouisLuzuka 2 года назад

So do you recommend the 1 or 3? If not the 2

@Funcentric 2 года назад

Sorry but I’m not familiar with the current 3. If it has the same motors and flight controller, then it would have the same vulnerabilities.

@LouisLuzuka 2 года назад

@@Funcentric thank you for getting back to me!! I'm just wondering what would u recommend for a 1st fpv instead? just looking to dip my toes into fpv, need the goggles / monitor, controller and drone, thats why the tiny hawk got my attention it has the full kit. but you're right its not perfect it has a lot of flaws too I like that they're sub 250g so I can not worry about the drone laws in canada do you have a favourite drone that you fly everyday?

@Funcentric 2 года назад

@@LouisLuzuka I like the Newbeedrone stuff. They’ve got an all in one rtf kit too. Well designed. For a better transmitter though, perhaps a betafpv rtf kit. Newbeedrone customer support is tons better though, particularly if you are in the USA. They are based in San Diego.

@jakelang4387 2 года назад

My motors are plug in on my t2..and to take the props off on this you got to pull them off straight..if you pry sideways and get them in a bind they will never come off I found..I'm new to drones and made my first the tiny hawk s and just finished beta flight up on the tiny hawk 2 ..sadly I brought it before watching this..but who knows..I'm a helicopter guy been flying for years ..and HH stuff is just like this..but I seen the tiny hawk good ,so I tried it and loved the first s

@JohnCuppi 3 года назад

You make some interesting points but the board on the TinyHawk Freestyle II is the same board as the one on the TinyHawk II. The emax website has the same flight controller part for all Tinyhawk II series products: Tinyhawk II, Tinyhawk II Race, Tinyhawk II Freestyle. So... The board death results, since it's the same board, are probably a combination of general qc, and in-flight incident types. Reliability to be expected then is somewhere in the middle with respect to the flyer type and amount of abuse the board has had to take. The FS II won’t last long if it’s being smashed into a wall every day -- you’re more likely to break a motor or the frame on that, so it’s more for intermediate flyers. New flyers forgetting to disarm as quickly as possible, or using turtle mode to flip back over are likely more common on the TH II. I think emax shouldn’t even have turtle mode added, honestly. I’d like to see the boards have a higher tolerance for failure of course, the next they should do is beef up the ESCs to give more over head. In my own personal experience the TH II board has been fine for the last 2 months so far. VTX was defective out of the box on TH FS II from day 1 and Emax warranty replaced it.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

You bring up very good and very fair points. I don't disagree with any of what you've shared and thanks for contributing to the comments here. Every experience helps so I'm glad you took some time to write a few lines. There's a chance that because the TH2 is geared more towards beginners that they have more issues due to the handling of the product. However, there's been overwhelming difference in experiences of the TH2 vs the THFreestyle2. As you spoke about yourself, the THFreestyle2 definitely has a defective VTX. I unfortunately wasn't as lucky as you to have gotten a replacement as mine was not broken out of the box. But handled only 20 batteries which was a disappointment. I would say a vast majority of Freestyle 2 owners are not on their original VTX after the first 3 months. As for the turtle mode causing issues on the TH2, wouldn't this mess up the ESC's and not the board? From what I've gathered from other people including myself, the ESC's were fine and not contributing to the motor issues.

@JohnCuppi 3 года назад

@@Funcentric If the board: - Can plug into the PC and is recognize by BetaFlight - Some but not all motors spin... - And, you know that the motor's integrity is not in question, solder is solid, etc Then that means one of the ESCs on the flight control board died. The motor test tab can help to diagnose this also by trying to spin each one up individually and then checking the results. What you described in the video 4:05 about trying to replace a motor, clean the motor, check your soldering job, sounded like a motor was not spinning up? Then, you did everything you could to try to get it to work again, but it ultimately failed because the motor and your soldering work was not the issue, it was a failure of the ESC component on the board. There's an exception: In the past when Emax did not direct-solder motors to the TinyHawk v1 and in some of the earlier TinyHawk 2's what happened was the connector itself went bad from impact and the solution was to direct solder the motors. That's why Emax has been direct soldering motors on TinyHawk 2 recently. One other way that a board can die, a voltage spike can kill the on-board regulator. This is actually a cheap, and easy fix unlike an ESC failure but a nuisance if it happens to any board, I made a video about how to fix it on BetaFPV 85 Pro 2 whoop drone.

@JohnCuppi 3 года назад

@@Funcentric One other thing. I have about 20 flights on my THFS II and the VTX has not gone out yet, but I will keep an eye on it. I also have only really flown my TinyHawk 2 on 1s rather than 2s, I tried 2s and didn't really like how it flew.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@JohnCuppi Thanks for the thorough response and trying to help. I actually hooked it up to blheli and confirmed all ESC’s are there so I’ve eliminated the ESC’s as being a source for the issue. I’ve since sold the non working TH2 to someone for dirt cheap at $30 for parts.

@JohnCuppi 3 года назад

@@Funcentric good call on checking BLHeli but an ESC can unfortunately report in as being there but still not actually function. Often times they do not end in complete and total death but will be fried enough to not correctly transmit the right pulses to the motors. The firmware is in tact and can be read from the data side, but that’s all. These applications can be quite “dumb” with their ability to report more specific issues, due to the nature of the hardware itself having little in terms of available information, so I can see why you may have thought that the ESC was ok simply because BLHeli reported it in as showing up. The lights might be on - but no one’s home, basically. Quickest way to rule out a motor issue without buying anything is to swap a known working motor into the non working motors spot. If doesnt function, then you know the ESC is out and to not waste money buying a new motor. This is what I do.

@tomelcock7659 3 года назад

I bought the freestyle 2 rtf bundle as a beginner for £170 with goggles and remote which aren’t great but still pretty good so will upgrade them but overall it’s been awesome.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

You must have not had it for too long. My guess is you’ve had it less than 3 months. I’ll have a video out soon explaining why the THF2 is not for beginners but just so you’re made aware now and can better prepare yourself. Just so you’re not too disappointed when it happens: 1. Motors are weak and need to be replaced more often than most brushless motors. 2. Replacement aftermarket ones aren’t available because of the mounting points being 3 points instead of 4 foe that size motor. 3. The VTX prematurely fails and removing the existing to solder a new one won’t be easy for newbies. It also adds to the cost substantially. 4. Both antennas are soldered. Emax Diane use a UFL connector. Preparing the antenna by pulling the 3 layers to expose the actual antenna to solder and then ground it won’t be easy either. 5. Soldered motors are much more difficult for newbies to replace than simple plug in ones. Newbies also wouldn’t notice the few grams of weight that would’ve added.

@lilkash2 25 дней назад

Wish I seen this sooner, had my vtx go out on my freestyle 2 and already ordered a new one as I have no idea about soldering on a new vtx and failed at my attempt to do so.

@Funcentric 25 дней назад

Sorry to hear that after all these years, Emax still hasn’t fixed the problem and continues to ship out Freestyles with VTX’s that are bound to die.

@poopagore 3 года назад

*QUESTION* What is the best budget FPV drone?!? thanks!!

@Funcentric 3 года назад

I don't want to lead you into the wrong direction. There's quite a few out there that suit different needs. I'm not a professional reviewer. I just review the stuff I have, meaning I don't have a wall full to really be able to say with experience. I'm hesitant to recommend anything I don't personally own for a long enough duration to really know the ins and outs of it. A few things to think about though for you. I have great things to say about Newbeedrone as a whole. If you're based in the USA, it helps tremendously to have a company also in the US, San Diego. I've run through at least 800 battery packs through my BeeBrainBL and I'm still on the same flight controller. No issues. I just keep losing my antenna from crashes, but a new UFL one just snaps right back on. NBD does have RTF kits. I'd recommend the brushless version unless you fly exclusively indoors and need something super quite in which case, you'll want the brushed version. I have a video comparing the two which you may want to watch if you're considering either of these. If you know you'll be in the hobby a long time, then you'll want to choose components separately. The EV800DM goggles are a budget pair at about $80 and the BetaFPV Lite Radio 2 for $45 is what I use for my 7 quads. You can then buy the quad separately.

@poopagore 3 года назад

@@Funcentric thanks man! I'm very new to this but I'm learning. honestly the emax Interceptor got me into wanting drones fps lol but I'm gonna go over what you said and see what I can put together. I was gonna just buy a drone from Amazon with a camera and use my camera in a goggles thing and see how that is but I'm sure it would be shit lol

@poopagore 3 года назад

@@Funcentric @Funcentric ya im in Texas, the beebrainbl looks awesome but its sold-out i think. do they come back in stock often? also whats the receiver protocol thing? (crossfire etc.) and if i buy this do I need to get those 80$ googles will work with it? sorry for all the questions man, I appreciate your help!

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@poopagore don’t buy quads from Amazon. Their return policy is too good. People have been getting other people’s returns. Lemons. Use racedayquads, newbeedrone, pyrodrone or getfpv.

@poopagore 3 года назад

@@Funcentric BeeBrainBL Brushless V2 looks badass but also sold out 😭

@cjsummer4403 3 года назад

Same board and vtx on both of those quads. Same experience though, boards fail or corrupt. Most of the time it's the cheap solder job that a leg pops up

@Funcentric 3 года назад

I see that you've seen part 2 already explaining the pairing of the motors is what's causing the issue. Part 3 in the works.

@cjsummer4403 3 года назад

@@Funcentric yeah sorry

@Maxbl4 3 года назад

Btw, i thought th2 and freestyle have the same board. So maybe the failure is because of external components?

@Funcentric 3 года назад

They do have the same board. But I don't know about the batch and source as far as quality control is concerned. I can't really speculate b/c I have no idea but for sure there's been a lot more people with board issues on the TH2, whereas on the Freestyle, it's not mentioned at all. For the THF2, it's just the VTX that has failed most people.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

It's not the board itself that is necessarily faulty; it has to do with the collaboration of the parts. Assuming it's the ESC that failed in the AIO on the Emax Tinyhawk 2, ESC's generally fail for 2 reasons (see my video on brushless conversion of an RC car), voltage and/or amps. The ESC is rated for the voltage of 1S and 2S so that's fine. However, it could very likely be the amp draw from the higher KV motors on the Tinyhawk 2 that exceeds the amperage rating of the ESC's in that quad. The reason we don't see a similar situation with the Freestyle 2 I suspect is b/c the motors are much smaller in KV on the Freestyle. It's only 7000 or 7500kv vs the TH2's 16000kv. That's pretty big difference. I'm assuming the TH2's 16000kv motors draw more amps, more than the ESC's can handle.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@user-ti9bt1ng7v 3 года назад

But is still the original emax tinyhawk 1 a good choise?

@Funcentric 3 года назад

It uses a different board. Probably even lower rated ESC’s but it doesn’t run on 2S. I have never had the original Tinyhawk but I also haven’t heard of nearly as many reports of prematurely failing flight controllers on those so I’d venture to say that it doesn’t suffer the same problem, at least to the degree as version 2.

@joycechiong303 Год назад

Is the tinyhawk2 freestyle is good?

@Funcentric Год назад

I have a video about that too. Basically, it's not really geared towards beginners b/c of the way it is designed. Soldered joints, proprietary ESC, the way the antenna is connected, weak motors, etc. Just sad b/c it advertises as for beginners, but there is so much about it that isn't designed for people starting out.

@agentx4208 11 месяцев назад

@@Funcentricwhat about the tinyhawk 3 or the ez pilot

@Funcentric 11 месяцев назад

@@agentx4208 I haven’t been exposed to those to say. Newer than my time with these quads. I don’t trust the brand entirely anymore though. I shop at Newbeedrone.

@spockfpv 3 года назад

1 year and still going strong.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Nice! How many battery packs?

@spockfpv 3 года назад

@@Funcentric yikes, that would be hard to say. Sorry I wish I had a number, I know it's less than a hundred but definitely more than 40.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@spockfpv I see. Yeah, that's not the typical year. When you're at maybe 100, that's probably around 3 months for the regular user. I do honestly hope yours lasts awhile. Just keep it on 1S and you will be in much better shape and hopefully won't suffer the same fate that the rest of us have.

@spockfpv 3 года назад

@@Funcentric you're right about that. I tend to fly my HD drones more often and use my Tiny Hawks as my practice drones. And I do only use 1sbatteries, maybe this has helped this drone last this long. Thanks for your reply and information.

@ChadKovac 3 года назад

Well, I set mine free on accident and most definitely DO want another. ;) pro-tip for any other beginners, make sure your cool aftermarket antenna have the right connection before flight. ;) hahah

@Funcentric 3 года назад

My guess is after a third one, you’ll look towards something else.

@ChadKovac 3 года назад

@@Funcentric ha, no, I'll probably grab one more of these then move on to something else. Great points in your vids though.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@ChadKovac thanks. Best of luck with the quads. It’s a fun hobby.

@dan71559 2 года назад

I love emax and own many. You are right. These boards fry easily. Try the emax nanohawk x. Many flights, no problems.

@Funcentric 2 года назад

Yeah, the Freestyle II has ESC's rated high enough for the amperage unlike the TH2. I'm done with Emax though entirely.

@mrz3693 3 года назад

my th2 freestyle vtx failed only after 1 month. Very dissappoiting. To remove the vtx is not easy too for beginner like me.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Yeah, the Freestyle 2 isn't really a bigger quad even though it's marketed to be. I'll be doing a video soon for future would-be buyers. You may soon discover too that the motors are pretty fragile and the VX antenna to solder on is even more challenging. I'm on my forth motor. I put the THF2 away just yesterday. Won't be flying it anymore. Starting to focus on other quads.

@robbiestoehr 3 года назад

Don't the TH2 and the freestyle have the exact same AIO flight controller? My freestyle flight controller broke after a hard flat crash on concrete but my original TH2 is still working to this day.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Good call. That's what I thought too and maybe it does, but I'm going by observation and experience. There's been exponentially more people who have had the AIO board fail on the TH2 vs the Freestyle, but then again more people have the TH2 than the Freestyle. I really haven't heard much of the Freestyle board failing, but the VTX failure is pretty much a given.

@robbiestoehr 3 года назад

Once I got the freestyle I didn't have much interest in the TH2. When I ordered a new board for my freestyle it got held up because of corona. Waited like 10 weeks, after 3 weeks of waiting I got a new freestyle. Now I have spare parts....😁

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@robbiestoehr Haha, that's kinda how I ended up with the Freestyle. I was waiting for motors for the TH2 and got the Freestyle to keep me running.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@robbiestoehr 3 года назад

@@Funcentric Im done with this fc. I've broken/ blown 4 boards now, unless I can figure out how to fit another AIO fc it's going to be retired and scrapped for parts😔

@choppergirl 3 года назад

Is it because the vtx really cant take the heat from power above 100mw... and all they did was unlock it for artic fliers but its the same old hardware. In which case the customers asked too much lol. I'm Going to keep mine at 100mw and see if it lasts

@Funcentric 3 года назад

I assume you're referring to the Freestyle 2? That's a possibility but it's designed for 200mw so customers should expect that it should be able to handle it. Keeping it at 100mw is probably a good idea but if it's true that the 200mw is what's killing it, that's horrible marketing and false claims on Emax's part.

@choppergirl 3 года назад

@@Funcentric I would suspect the obvious, that the hardware designers never designed it to withstand the heat of 200mw... customers demanded more power... marketing said can we give them what they want and drive it with more power, but not cost us anything extra. Engineering frowned and said we'd have to fab a whole new chip, that's cost $200,000. Management came back again backing up marketing, and said, do it, and do it for nothing extra in cost! Engineering shrugged and said you heard what pointyhaired boss man said, feeed more power though it. Sure, yeah, it will burn out in a few months, but you want to keep your job or not? Not our problem, let them find out the hardway when warranty repairs come rolling back. So, that's the way it goes at big companies. You ask the impossible, marketing wants to please you, engineering says not going to happen, management says make it so... and this is what you get. Your 200mw vtx at no extra cost... out of a hardware chip probably nowhere near rated for it. Most Wifi Routers run at 100mw, btw... 100mw is not a lot of power, nor is 200mw, but but when you're pumping it through a little piece of silicon with no heatsink on it, no cooling, no active cooling at all, those little chips get very hot. If you buy a 3 in 1 camera / vtx like the Eachine TX-05, you find that out fast, how fast they get sitting there plugged into a 1s, at any output power setting. 25mw, 100mw, 200mw... They start to cook. And that's without the foam box padding around it. Whoever thought you could run it with the foam box around it was insane, that stuff is like insulation. That box is only legit to be around it for shipping purposes.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@choppergirl haha. So well said. I can picture every part of the story you told! You’ll like my upcoming video.

@choppergirl 3 года назад

@@Funcentric I was visualizing a Dilbert cartoon with Dilbert, Catbert, Dogbert, and Pointy Haired Boss. In reality, Enginering is probably just an old guy and a new guy, marketing is just a girl at a computer doing a thousand social networking tasks, and the boss is just a guy perpetually on the golf course who just comes in to check his transcribed calls from his secretary and burn through the company kitty because he owns it lock stock and barrel and runs it like his personal bank account.

@JukenFlaj 3 года назад

I have been considering this. Better is to buy second TinyHawk, as a replacement parts source. Becouse one have to decide if one flying Tinyhawk or looking for something else.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Yes, that's one of the considerations people have before finally going to a different brand. You've already committed to the love of the TH2 while it worked, probably have extra props and had done all this research on it, and so I understand the dedication. I was in the same place as were a lot of other owners. Eventually, they move on though. Sometimes it takes people 1 TH2 and for others, it takes up to 3 TH2's before they decide to get something else and never look back. If it wasn't a known issue, I may have more strongly considered getting a new one and keeping the old one for parts. The issue is repetitive though. It would feel like I'm renting a TH2. Also the value of the parts isn't that much. Parts equate to just propellers and the camera. The frame won't break. If you do go with the TH2, please report back and comment here after 3 months. I genuinely hope you're one of the few that still have a working one, but I wouldn't bet on it. I'm just one guy with one experience. My advice is for you to join the Facebook Group about the TH2, read other people's comments and then make your own decision. Good luck with whatever you decide. (HINT: consider Newbeedrone. *wink wink*.)

@marcoguada42 3 года назад

That's what happened to me, luckily I bought 2 😀

@PauliG 3 года назад

@@Funcentric Yeah, I definitely spoke with you on FB! These are all points that sound familiar to that conversation. Wish I had listened then!

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@marcoguada42 Have you made your decision on what to do if the 2nd one goes kaput? Tough to make the call once it happens I'd think.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@PauliG We live and learn. Yeah, sorry for the confusion. FB won't let me change the name on there to be consistent with the other platforms.

@Stevieboyfpv 3 года назад

My 1st tinyhawk 2 I put through 10-20 bats a day for 4 months I beat the crap out of the little guy I mean it got hammered! In the end it fell in a rainwater trap which killed it I am on a new one but I now have 7 other drones so it doesnt get as much action to know if there is a problem I have the freestyle 2 and am not impressed with the vtx it's not as good as the normal hawk 2 I've only put it through a 200 batteries so far so I'll see if it survives I have it carrying the insta360 go and it's pretty awesome. I personally love these little guys and couldnt reccomend them more! I squared away all the wires and antennas in my freestyle making it all neat and tidy and shes a beaut. I think that both of these are amazing training drones for 1st timers the freestyle has unlocked acro freestyle flying for me and the standard had made my proximity flying amazing. I highly rate them both for their price

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Glad yours is working out okay. Wish that was a more common experience. Thanks for sharing. Good to hear that it’s not all bad.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Curious if you are running your TH2 on 1S generally or if you use 2S also.

@Stevieboyfpv 3 года назад

On my 1st one I hammered I only put maybe 20 2s packs through it as the flight time was so short it was pointless and I only wanted to practice freestyle with it so that was when I bought the freestyle 2 instead to get into it which it really has.

@Dianaranda123 3 года назад

Oddly my propellers actually have come of several time oddly enough, but i got my tinyhawk 2 now for a few weeks. And i lost sadly 2 props already because of crashes.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

I purchased replacement ones and noticed even though they’re factory ones too that they’re slightly tighter. Both seem tough to remove. Maybe different batch or the temperature has an effect? Dunno, but definitely a lot of complaints about removal. Thanks for sharing your experience with yours.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

You can try the floss method. Feed a string of floss through the hole of the propeller before you place it on the shaft of the motor. What it will do is that it'll make the hole of the propeller slightly smaller so that it's more snug on the shaft of the motor. Seriously. I caution doing this on the Tinyhawk 2 though in my experience, they're very tight as it is and removing them is a pain. I understand you've had difference experiences so up to you but I wanted throw that suggestion out there in case you find the technique useful.

@Dianaranda123 3 года назад

@@Funcentric Thanks, though now a few more weeks further i havent had anymore major enough crashes, however after crash i gotta push the props down, but i'll order some more soon anyhow. Might be because mine just has differnt motors shafts maybe? I mean i hear QC isnt super high on these things.

@ValFPV 3 года назад

TOTALLY MY EXPERIENCE! A motor on my tinyhawk 2 freestyle broke after 2 flights in a literal tumble in grass. Then I had to wait 40 days for a replacement because it was out of stock and guess what... Proprietary parts.. WTH? Then, I repaired it and like 20 flights later the fricken board died! Thanks for nothing emax. I now put in a standard AIO board but I had to 3d print an adapter that weighs 3 grams because guess what.. The AIO mounting is also proprietary! The new aio board has been doing fine for a few months now, but it flies way worse because of the heavier weight and 2 more motors broke (these times it was my fault though, they were both real crashes into tree branches) I'm just gonna sell the frame, batteries and 3 motors now and use camera, vtx and the new universal board for a new build. Thanks a lot for this video, you probably saved a lot of people! I wish this was out before I bought mine because it was my first fpv quad and almost put me off the hobby.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Have you seen part 2 of the video? I’m working on part 3 but will give you the gist of it. Basically, the ESC’s are not rated to handle the full amp draw of the motors. Emax dumbs it down with software which is why they instruct to use rate profile 1 on 2S. It’s confusing because while the PID profile automatically changes when it senses each battery voltage, the rate profile does not automatically change. If you run 2S on full throttle without a scaled 75% limit, an ESC is likely to blow.

@ValFPV 3 года назад

@@Funcentric bruh so they knew its not up for the job? That's so stupid. Anyways, my problem wasn't an ESC but actually the whole board just stop working. No osd in the goggles, no startup tones, and the leds only light up from battery power and not USB

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@ValFPV I don't know if you've watched the part 2 of this video series yet. In their defense, they did do something about it. They dumbed down the throttle in rate profile 2. I'll have a more detailed explanation in Part 3 of the video series. But yes, basically they used software to limit the amp draw of the motor to compensate for their poor match of electronics. ESC's are under rated for the application.

@almostcinematicfpv 3 года назад

7 months with the TinyHawk II Freestyle stock except for the xt30 connector.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Sweet! Yeah, the board on the freestyle is definitely more reliable since the motors on there don’t draw as many amps as the higher KV ones on the TH2. I’m surprised you’re still on the same VTX though. Congrats.

@almostcinematicfpv 3 года назад

@@Funcentric the vtx issue may have been from the heat it puts out. Mine has gotten very hot at times. I can see if a pilot lives in a warmer climate how it would fail. It’s definitely something to be aware of.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@almostcinematicfpv Hmmm, maybe we shouldn’t be running it on 200mw then. I’m in San Francisco so it’s pretty cool here majority of the time. Good point about the heat though.

@almostcinematicfpv 3 года назад

@@Funcentric I think that’s why EMAX has it set to 25mw before first arm. I’ve bound the 25mw to disarm and 200mw to my arm switch... kinda like pit mode.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@almostcinematicfpv I would agree with that.

@rockman49er 3 года назад

My original babyhawk is still alive and well after 4 years i have over 30 batteries and fly it at least 4 times a week hope my tinyhawk 2 freestyle lasts wish i saw this video a few weeks ago

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Cool, glad your babyhawk is still in good shape. Let's hope she continues to last. I have less confidence in your THF2 though. The VTX is pretty much guaranteed to die. Every time you land, just take a moment to appreciate that you finished that flight. Maybe time to eye a new VTX. TBS Unify Nano is what people including myself have been using and it's been great. Since you have at least 2 quads, the babyhawk can hopefully keep you flying w/o any downtime while waiting for the VTX when you do finally order one. You might want to research now on how to do it. The solder is a bit tricky with the size of the solder pads and how it's situated on the board. Mine was a hack job so there's not going to be a how-to tutorial from me, but it got me up in the air.

@rockman49er 3 года назад

@@Funcentric thanks for the heads up man

@meltonenterprises6761 3 года назад

What whoop do you suggest? I can't trust emax anymore

@Funcentric 3 года назад

I'm partial to NBD. I've recently heard people have issues, but I've run through over 600+ battery packs myself across two of their quads and no issues with the FC whatsoever. I also like NBD b/c they're local (for me) in the US based in San Diego and actually participate in their Facebook Group. They seek out to help customers. I can't promise you won't have issues, but I would definitely say they'd be there for you if you have issues. You can watch my brushed vs brushless video if you're wondering which type to get. Get brushless by default unless you have a specific reason to get the brushed one.

@duncanyoung8688 Год назад

My tinyhawk 2still works 1 year later its been thrashed to hell still works vtx still works, probly cause ive never run it on 2s lipo i keep it on 1 lipo.

@Funcentric Год назад

I see. How many battery packs would you say it's run through? Judging by time is difficult b/c some people only fly once a week or more seldom while others fly daily or a few packs a day.

@stelic9515 2 года назад

Thank you aloooooot

@Funcentric 2 года назад

Sure!

@MasterApeFPV 3 года назад

7 months in, my board is still fine. My issue is just the leds ripping off..

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Ding ding ding! You’re the winner! Wow, you definitely are the one that’s had the TH2 that’s lasted the longest! Impressive. Most who have lasted 3 months were strictly on 1S indoors. Do you fall into that category by chance? Just curious.

@MasterApeFPV 3 года назад

@@Funcentric ahah Looks like Ive been lucky xD I fly usually outside on 1 and 2s. Sometimes inside, but only on 1s

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@MasterApeFPV Very cool. I wish I was in your situation. Yeah for sure, consider yourself lucky. You'll appreciate it that much more. So many sad cases on Facebook Groups now.

@MasterApeFPV 3 года назад

@@Funcentric that sucks! Maybe I have a board from an earlier production

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@MasterApeFPV All speculation as for the reason why. I really have no clue. Just reporting what info I've collected and observed from various sources. Thanks again for your input and sharing here in the comments. The comments section here may be more valuable than the video! Haha.

@MrAndromedean 2 года назад

Sounds like since I'm having issues, i should just give up versus waste more time troubleshooting

@Funcentric 2 года назад

With Emax I’d say that’s spot on. With the hobby in general, it’s all about troubleshooting.

@MrAndromedean 2 года назад

@@Funcentric totally. I actually like the technical aspect of it and I don't mind troubleshooting generally. Sure wish you could plug a USB in and read error codes

@VdubSPAZ 2 года назад

I bought the baby hawk when it first came out it was like the coolest whatever it was the 2 in I think is what it was and Need less to say they had a board touching the carbon fiber issue and it was such a problem that they gave a label warning with it and supposedly they solved the problem but they didn't.... They didn't offer replacements or a refund Said said I wish they would make a better product because some of the other features are nice

@Funcentric 2 года назад

Yeah, Emax works so hard at marketing but doesn't actually follow through with customer support. All the RU-vid "reviews" are just ads. I fell for it before I knew any better.

@block_star_8974 3 года назад

I have this for about a good 5 months. No problems

@block_star_8974 3 года назад

It's my 3rd drone, haven't crashed once and I learnt acro on this beast

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@block_star_8974 how many packs?

@aidandeatherage5084 2 года назад

Mime came with no controller so idk what to do

@Funcentric 2 года назад

You would've wanted a RTF version. Looks like you got the BNF (bind and fly). You'll need to find out which receiver you have on your BNF quad and then get a transmitter (controler) that matches it.

@derekec 2 года назад

btw, I'm one who tends to find the faults in every highly "marketed" item so I can appreciate reviews like this. I don''t think this is exaggerated and buyers just need beware, as always.

@Funcentric 2 года назад

Cool! So we can relate quite a bit. Lots of hype out there. We forget sometimes as RU-vid viewers that so many ads out there are disguised as reviews. If someone’s talking about a product after having it in their possession for less than a week, it’s definitely not a review.

@ResidentStevil Год назад

My first TinyHawk 2 board failed on it’s 2nd flight!

@Funcentric Год назад

Yeah, it sucks people in and all the RU-vid ads disguised as reviews certainly don't help.

@slowentropy4531 3 года назад

Selling them I just don't see these stats hey, we hardly have any issues besides people needing the CLI dump after they try to flash new firmware But newbiedrone and betafpv are nearly on the chopping board as we have just to many issues it's becoming difficult to make money selling them.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

1. Keep an eye on the Facebook Groups and/ or DM some of the owners of the TH2 to get their feedback. Most newbies or potential buyers won't dig deep in the FB Groups enough to follow along to the end of current posts to notice the trend, but there's definitely a case of frequent premature failing boards for the TH2. Not even a question. 2. Part 2 of my video talks about why it's happening. The ESC's are not rated to handle the amp draw of the motors. I'm working on a Part 3 answering how this is happening, but it's taking some time to produce the video. I should have it out in the coming week(s). 3. Newbeedrone actually has the highest reliability from the names you've brought up. They also are a US company that participates heavily in their Facebook Group so issues are proactively being resolved. You're probably correct about the BetaFPV though. I don't have personal experience and haven't researched that company enough to say with any authority. I think partly why there are so many fanboys of Emax is b/c we've all done our research exclusively on RU-vid and see nothing but the hype and how it's great for beginners. All this comes from people who don't own or fly the quad long term so they can't really speak in those terms. As customers of Emax products as our first FPV quads, we want that much more to like it. We're in love and want to be convinced we made the right decision. I was there. I did exactly what everyone else did. Same boat. 4. I'm glad you're doing well with what I assume is your retail store. 5. Here's a secret that's being released in Part 3 of my video series that will help you. The current CLI dump on Emax's website does not include the throttle limit on Rate Profile 2 like it's supposed to. People who have the latest batch of Emax TH2's if indeed it's loaded with the current CLI will be frying their boards left and right on 2S. The ESC's are under rated for the motors and Emax's way of preventing damage to the ESC's is to dumb it down with software. Hence the warning card. However if people follow that on the current CLI, nothing will happen other than the Rates change b/c the throttle limit is missing.

@slowentropy4531 3 года назад

@@Funcentric Yeah I agree on TH2 will regards to 2S. I advise every customer whom purchases it that its not a 2S drone. 16000KV on 2S is insane and its a wonder it doesn't light fire on the first pack for every owner of one lol. But yeah in my selling of hundreds and hundreds of whoops and micros they have been the most reliable. Especially the TH2 Race, they are near indestructible and very popular spec racer here. I've sold more of them than any quad, selling the savage bee and Betafpv HX100/SE models was atleast a 50% issue rate for customers with most being board replacements. We just had none stop issue and I've never had such bad experience with those two companies as a retailer.

@slowentropy4531 3 года назад

@@Funcentric I try to steer clear of the groups for my stats as I see people are the problem more so than anything. I like to be able to evaluate what is going on and count that experience as the cannon I use. I want to newbiew drone one last go, but our last order of whoop boards and BNFs have had a cross the board rx failures at about a 70% rate. I've helped customers by providing external rx solutions but not ideal in a quad chasing that ought weight. I really just want all companies to be more reliable and add a bit more cost if needed.... Whatever they need to do to increase QC,

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@slowentropy4531 I'm glad you're telling your customers that. You're doing a great service not only for Emax, but more for your customers to keep them from frying your ESC's. I can't agree with you more about QC. Yes, I believe customers would be willing to pay more for quality reliable components vs FC's needing to be bought like a maintenance item. External RX was worked for the NBD BBBL due to the brushless motors haven't enough power. I can see how external wouldn't be ideal for something like the brushed Acrobee Pro. In any event, glad you took the time to share with me and the readers your experiences with the brands. It helps that you've had so much experience and encounters with customers across various brands.

@slowentropy4531 3 года назад

@@Funcentric Yeah its not a 2S quad, I think the community pressure at the time pushed Emax towards 2S as thats what they wanted. But it was never designed to be 2S, just capable of it... 1S its a bullet proof quad that I've personally had for 7months and raced around the workshop daily crashing always into things haha. But 2S one crash it will spike and fry... As hobbie shops I feel its our responsibility to know products and advice our customers as thats the benefit of using us. We got your back Jack haha, I'm impartial and hold no grudges towards any brand. I just simply try to give feedback from my own experiences, I want all these co.panies to succeed and this hobbie to grow. I have a soft spot for Emax as they really create unique and amazing flying quads. More so than any other company they really put alot into each and every product they release. I'm getting amazing feedback on the nanohawk from staff, customers and have had no issues in the over 70 or so that have gone out the door this year. I'm yet to fly it but will be binding one for myself tomorrow morning and getting a feel for her.

@TrevorBowden777 Год назад

All right

@scu-dub 3 года назад

Thanks so much for this because I'm new to fpv and am looking for a whoop to practice freestyle and racing and I don't want to do that with my quad lol so even though I wanted this whoop I will not get it....mobula 7 here I come lol

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Yeah it’s tempting because “everyone” has one and y’a just wanna belong. You’ll only hear about the good stuff until you own it for awhile. The tough thing right now though is that a lot of stuff is out of inventory due to the chip shortage. And repairs will be expensive no matter what company you go with.

@scu-dub 2 года назад

@@Funcentric what sub 250 whoop do you recommend???? I want a fast acro type of whoop that can take a crash....or two....or three....ect ect lol I would really appreciate it👍✌

@Funcentric 2 года назад

@@scu-dub It's mostly the weight of whoops that allow it to sustain crashes so I don't necessarily think one would be more durable than the next. As far as durability, the frame on the Emax TH2 really is pretty much indestructible. I just hate that it's a proprietary sized flight controller and not that reliable. I'm not a professional reviewer with tons of experience with many quads. I do however have lots of stick time on the ones I do - a few hundred batteries apiece as I fly maybe 12 packs a day when I'm really into it. I've had good luck with NBD quads. The frame is weaker and will require replacements, but they're cheaper to replace and the FC's seem to last longer. Just my experience. When selecting a whoop though, also consider the support. I'm from the USA and NBD being in the US is very helpful. I like GEPRC but lead time for parts takes awhile b/c not a lot of vendors carry their parts. I haven't used BetaFPV, but was always tempted. I did have a Mobula7, but ended up gutting it with a new FC and building something else. Consider a Shutterbug85, it's something you have to build though. So you can use whatever FC you want. The combo with the propellers and frame and all are amazing. It's my favorite whoop.

@scu-dub 2 года назад

@@Funcentric thanks alot man 👍

@pksteffen 3 года назад

Everything after the original Tinyhawk seemed like extra to me. I still have original and love it. Freestyle 2 also has range issues. I dropped in a CRSF nano and now can fly further than my front yard. The VTX is functioning great so far. Prolly just jinxed myself. LOL. Problem with RU-vid reviews is they do they as soon as something comes out not after they flown in for months. It’s mostly about marketing even though many are conscientious. You just can’t tell until you’ve flown it regularly for a while if it’ll hold up. Then there is the whole issue of recycled parts which is part of the industry. There’s a reason these things cost $100. ;)

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Yes! Exactly! Generally, the manufacturers require videos to be released before a certain period. They do get beta versions before the final release which gives them more time with the quad, but with all the quads they review, they can't really fly all of them long term and provide feedback from an ownership point of view. They're good at what they do with good reason, but there are limits. Yes, as long as we keep that in mind when watching them, we'll be alright. I was recently offered an RC car from Haiboxing to review, but they required the review be done within 2 weeks which isn't enough to put the batteries I wanted through it to provide any sort of valuable info to share. For that reason, I had to reject the offer for the RC. I did have range issues with my Freestyle 2, but I was in D16 so figured that was on me so I made no mention of it in the video. Will be testing it out on D8 after having replaced the motor last night (lost a c-clip and tore wires while trying to replace, my fault).

@pksteffen 3 года назад

@@Funcentric other issue with Freestyle 2 is the tune. It’s great for beginners and there are three choices in the profile with the third being more punchy but I was never happy with it. Tried using it for Insta360 go footage but there was a lot of jello. Flashed it to 4.2.5, added RPM filtering, tuned and switched the props to Gemfan Flash 2540s and now it is really punchy but smooth. Love the stock props especially in black because the look like Batman wings but dang they are not efficient and cause oscillations when you really start to push them that are impossible to tune out. At least for me. Overall a good quad but love my toothpicks so much more. Not fair to compare really.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@pksteffen Cool, thanks for sharing that. I haven't touched the PID's on the quad at all. Only been adjusting the rates. Good to know you've gotten improved performance with what you've done. I'm sure others will find this info valuable too. Wasn't it the Freestyle 1 that came with black props? I always thought the Freestyle 2 always came with red propellers.

@pksteffen 3 года назад

@@Funcentric yes I had V1 of THFS2, but I bought it off Bob Roogi of FPVCYCLE after he reviewed it and he had swapped the props to some Gemfans. The camera was not good and the VTX was weak. I bought the black ones for the v2 on Amazon. I’m an artist/designer and colour matters a wee bit too much to me. In fact I switched back to the black Avans this afternoon like the stock despite what I said above. They look too cool.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@pksteffen Cool, my background is architecture. I can appreciate someone with a good eye. Haha. As far as the color, looks good on the shelf but for me, I crash too many times and don't have the best sense of direction (still working on it), so colored props help a lot. I have some stuff on instagram and the colors aren't always the best, but they help me find it in a field of grass and I'm glad I got some color in there. Stealth black looks awesome too - just not practical for me until I get my skills up to par.

@253SB3ST 2 года назад

Your so so so so right! I’ve bought 3 tinyhawk 2 so far errrr….

@Funcentric 2 года назад

Is that your last or will you be buying another 2? So far 5 is the record as far as people I’ve come across buying them over and over. Eventually they get sick of it. Haha.

@cruncher378 3 года назад

Had mine for over a year now, crashed multiple times. No issues.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Great! Good to hear yours is in good shape. Are you running it on 1S exclusively? indoors?

@cruncher378 3 года назад

@@Funcentric I run outside and Inside, I also run 1s and 2s Batteries. I’ve had it fall from the top of a Pine Tree (80 Feet or so) smack the ground and all the propellers popped off, that’s about as serious as it got.

@cruncher378 3 года назад

@@Funcentric Also, I fly it more like a freestyle than I do a whoop if that says anything 😂

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@cruncher378 cool. Love to fly another day. That’s fairly common with quads of this weight class. It doesn’t say much about this quad specifically.

@crashflowfpv4841 3 года назад

To anyone reading this, just want to make it clear that this is not the case for everyone, I’ve owned both the tinyhawk 2 and the tinyhawk 2 freestyle for just over 5 months now, bought the freestyle a few weeks after the tinyhawk because it is just much better suited for outdoor flights, and I could continue to use the same 1s packs! Both quads are still running strong!, and that’s despite the fact that I’ve clipped off and had to repair motor wires, clipped off the spi rx antenna, have had multiple high altitude crashes 🙃, and one of the flight controllers has been completely submerged in nasty rain water for over 10 minutes(had to drive home and get a ladder to retrieve it lol), so I guess what I’m saying is from my experience there’s nothing that Can destroy these tinyhawks 😂 I will say if you aren’t aren’t a tight budget there are definitely better options out there, but what emax offers for new pilots at this price is unparalleled.

@crashflowfpv4841 3 года назад

I just uploaded a little clip if you’d like to see the abuse my tinyhawk gets put through almost daily hehe 😝

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@crashflowfpv4841 Cool, I just took a look at the unintentional durability test. I don't doubt the durability. The frame is practically bulletproof.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Thanks for contributing to the comments with your experience. Glad to hear that at least a few of these are still running strong. Yes, the Freestyle 2 is definitely suited for outdoors. I picked up mine for the same reason (to reuse existing 1S batteries). Definitely surprised to hear about the waterproof FC. So lucky that you still got it running, nice! I don't doubt the abuse that the TH series can handle. It's the FC reliability that I'm most concerned about. Again, glad that yours is still running strong. I wish the rest of us could've had as good of an experience.

@crashflowfpv4841 3 года назад

@@Funcentric yeah I thought for sure it was going to be fried when I saw it submerged in water, but I tossed it ima bag of rice for 24 hours and when I plugged a battery back in I was amazed it started right up and flew without issues, maybe I got lucky haha.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@crashflowfpv4841 That's pretty amazing!

@yogician 3 года назад

Bummer glad I watched this first

@knowlestucker9752 2 года назад

MAN, I WISH I WOULD HAVE SEEN THIS, I HAVE A TH FREESTYLE 2 AND A TH S both of them the aoi are out, the freestyle they warrenteed the board once, but it went out again..... and an aoi for a th 2 is 75 bucks, in hate them, this is the two drones i wanted to go into fpv, they both sit on the shelf..... im on a damm budget and i feel spending on emax is a waste

@Funcentric 2 года назад

I feel ya man. Some people feel they’ve done too much research when they decided on the Emax, that they are so resistant to continue looking for something new. They don’t want to start over so they grow so attached to the brand can can’t accept that maybe the reviews they’ve watched aren’t reviews but just tests of the quads. I’ve heard of people buying up to 5 Emax products before finally letting go. Every time I looked at mine, it made me upset so I ended up selling it for a huge discount, both the TH2 and the THF2.

@derekec 2 года назад

Think all these are overpriced for what they are maybe by factor of 2. My TH2 Runcam or VTX became faulty soon after a 5ft drop to indoor floor at very low speed est 4mph. I'm just using it with grainy dark video. My props keep flying off on even grass drops and my camera angle screws keep falling out to where I now put tape over them. Still I don't regret buying it for the fun and learning. But $100+ ..wish we could all band together and just boycott that.

@meltonenterprises6761 3 года назад

Emax as a company has completely ruined any hope I had that they care about their customers and customer service. After receiving a completely defective drone from them I was sad to discover they do not want to help me. My drone took off due to factory rates that they had set wrong. Then the Vtx must have fried instantly. Because the drone took off, the camera shutoff, and the beep mode did not work. Thanks for your help. If only emax would have been as helpful.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Sorry to hear man. Which model of Tinyhawk are you referring to?

@meltonenterprises6761 3 года назад

@@Funcentric tinyhawk freestyle 2. But now I have a tinyhawk 2 just cause I figured it would be less issue and after a few seconds with the lights on they turn off? I cant even get this one into the air.

@JoachimPersonalAccount Год назад

bro filmed on the analog camera of the Tinyhawk 1

@NeelsieTube 3 года назад

Same happend to me. Also a noob and ended up buying a new motor only to realise its the board.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Did you end up replacing the board for $60 + tax and shipping, buy another TH or go with something else entirely?

@NeelsieTube 3 года назад

@@Funcentric Looks like we are going to try and do a conversion on the board, and re-use the day I'm worthy of upgrading to an 3"/5" :) Happy to share the end results when ready.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

@@NeelsieTube Conversion, meaning replacing it with a different board? I wouldn't really consider the 3"/5" an upgrade from the whoops. Different category all together. You may find that with more power, the larger ones are actually easier to fly. You'll find yourself using the throttle less b/c the quad's got more momentum and sheer power.

@NeelsieTube 3 года назад

@@Funcentric ok true, thanks for taking the time to respond. Im still learning and guys like you make it possible to do so

@SPELTMUSIC 2 года назад

About a year and a half with my Tinyhawk 2, beat the absolute shit out of it and had no problems with the board

@Funcentric 2 года назад

Awesome. Wish the rest of us was that lucky. I’m assuming you ran it exclusively on 1S.

@SPELTMUSIC 2 года назад

@@Funcentric probably 80% of the time on 1s, I ran 2s occasionally but it was too much for indoors. I guess I got one of the few good ones haha, I haven’t had any problems with my THFS2 board yet, but it’s only been a few months. Will be sure to post here if it does finally kick it 😂

@Funcentric 2 года назад

@@SPELTMUSIC people fly these different amounts but it seems like the 3 month mark where people are having issues.

@scottmcbride2237 2 года назад

I love the tinyhawk 2. I do recommend it. It's so awesome. What is it going to hurt. People are going to buy more then one drone. Thats the fun part having multiple quads. If you don't like it get rid of it. Any flight controller isn't %100 from for not lasting long. Ive had mine for almost 2 years and I have never had any problems with it. Every quad has their issues. Not everyone is going to have This problem. I have a few high end quads that have failed after a month of use. But see you can fix it. Just like any other quad that stops working. This video is kinda ignorant. Sorry but true. Its crazy that you say you don't recommend it but after you fixes it then you say your glad you bought it. Wow. If this was true. There would be 1000's of videos just like this one. And yours is the only 9ne that I've seen on this. There are videos how to put a Ulf connector on quads.

@Funcentric 2 года назад

I’m glad you had a good experience, but I think you’re misunderstanding my point. Although I learned a few things from owning the quad, I would never recommend it for a beginner. A beginner quad needs to have a few things to make it a beginner quad. A UFL connector is one of them. Also purposely pairing an ESC that cannot handle the high amperage of the motor is unethical. I don’t need to repeat all the reasons but I think you get the idea that a lot of folks will spend more time trying to fix the thing than actually flying. Not the case with a Newbeedrone product which is much higher quality as far as components are concerned. Also local USA customer service. EMAX just has way too much hype - more than it deserves by far. Just don’t want everyone sucked into it like I and many others did.

@scottmcbride2237 2 года назад

@@Funcentric believe what you want. This was one of my first quads. And I thank its perfect for a begginer. Its made for insiide but you can fly it outside if the weather is nice. No. I'm not stupid. I know what your saying and again if so many people was having the same problems then their would be more videos that people hate it then all the videos out their that people love it. But its cool. You have the right to your opinion. Have a great day. P.S. there are videos on how to connect a Ulf connector if you really want one. Your the only person thats made a video on this ...

@Funcentric 2 года назад

@@scottmcbride2237 the reason there aren’t more of these videos is because the ones that are out there are mostly paid promotions. People who aren’t paid to make videos generally won’t make them. At least when you compare it to people who are paid. This video isn’t meant to convince you of anything. If you think I am judging you, you’ve got the wrong idea. I don’t really care what you buy or don’t buy. This is a reminder that a lot of videos out there disguised as reviews are actually promotions.

@scottmcbride2237 2 года назад

@@Funcentric Wow. Ok. I know what your saying. Again I'm not stupid. And what you are saying that their arnt any videos cause people get paid to make them is crazy. Not everyone is making money from their videos. Most people arnt making any money from their videos. Their would still be at least 100's of videos from people not making any money from them that would warn people about them because most people that I've seen that make videos and most are making money, do warn people about products if something is wrong with them. Again sir. Do what you want. I know I can do what I want. And again. Have a nice day

@Funcentric 2 года назад

@@scottmcbride2237 I don't intend to call you stupid. You and I just have different assessments. That's all. Correct, not everyone is making money from their videos. However, there's much more incentive for folks to produce videos if they're being paid for it. Yes, I have been doing what I want. Remember, it's you that came on with harsh tones. I've repeatedly said that I'm glad you have had a good experience with the Emax Tinyhawk II. You just can't seem to accept my assessment of the quad differs from yours. End of discussion.

@lockingpaul 3 года назад

See it’s opposite for me I own both! My th2f board f-d ! My tinyhawk 2 still flying. For now I guess! So why no warranties? Why no fix

@Funcentric 3 года назад

Sorry to hear about your THFreestyle2. Unless it looks pristine, Emax won’t honor a warranty because they will blame a crash even if a failed VTX is the reason for the crash which makes zero sense. Hope your TH2 lasts longer than the rest of ours. Looks like the other guy who commented here did have good luck with his. Every time I hear about someone just buying one, I cringe a little. Part of me wants to tell him he’s in for some disappointments but part of me wants to let him have his fun first. Hopefully this video catches people before they buy one. I still hope Emax finds a new supplier for their electronics because they do everything else right. Design, execution, marketing is all top notch. If they were a car company, these recalls wouldn’t be acceptable.

@lockingpaul 3 года назад

So far emax has helped a bit with customer service with my babyhawk 1. But waiting for receiver that works wit the e06. There’s little things with all the cheaper drones. And controller at one point it wouldn’t turn on. Man it’s disappointing like I think a new mounting system is also needed for their boards a frickin sponge or something cuz soon as u hit the two side ones crack and it’s right next to cam port, and antenna and USB port etc. Something because they knew that shit was happening before the sales and it’s a plus for their pockets temporarily but losing long term buyers. I’m leaning away from the four and five inch emax quads now so that six. Cuz they are fun till shit starts to fail.

@Funcentric 3 года назад

I talk a bit about the warranty in this new follow up video. Basically, Emax has under rate the ESC's that they're pairing with the motors on the TH2 which was a mistake. They're covering themselves and preventing themselves from having to respond to warranty claims by "warning" to note use certain rates. It's silly to me. More info here. I've put together and published a follow up video discussing why there are frequent and premature failure rates on the TH2 but not the THF2 even though they both share the same FC. Hope you find this useful: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Lj59BUEXZKk.html