You're building your budget decks wrong... | Deck Driver MTG 

Often it comes down to this: The less money you spend on a deck, the more TIME you need to invest to refine it.

"in most casual budget pods, you will be winning with creature combat damage" guttersnipe has entered the lobby

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Even in a budget 16-20 removal spells is a lot. Your then dedicating 1/5th of your deck to just removal. Personally 2 or 3 board wipes and 5-7 single target removal is plenty in a deck. Basically in a 4 player pod if everyone is running 20 removal spells then nothing is ever going to stick on the board and its going to make a game twice as long as it needs to be. As for ramp if you are not running green get 5-8 mana rocks and things like Solemn Simulacrum, Burnished Hart and Wayfarer's Bauble

Something i think a lot of people ignore when playing budget is that there are budget alternatives that ARE MORE SYNERGISTIC FOR YOUR DECK, if you're running budget enchantress, why not run enchantment-based removal (oblivion ring etc) instead of swords/path? a friend of mine tries to build budget decks but he keeps going more expensive than he initially wants bc he cant let go of buying "staple" cards bc he thinks its the only ones that do the job... 😅

Another great video, man. I just started playing Magic and I've been having a lot of fun deck building, this is gonna help a lot.

The thing that I think people generally miss when thinking about card draw is “oh, if I play less of the cool synergy cards and more card draw, then I’m not going to see the fun stuff as much!” The thing is, though, you see so many more cards with that much draw, you may well end up seeing more of your good cards per game than you would otherwise.

For future reference: STEP 1: The Engine (Positive Card Advantage) - If the Commander has Recurring Draw, play 8 draw spells, if not 12-16 draw sources. STEP 2: Removal - play 16-20 Removal spells STEP 3: The Main Gameplan - play 16-20 dedicated gameplan cards STEP 4: Ramp - you'll need as much deck-thinning ramp as possible (green is good at this!), 8-16

Congrats on the 1k subs. Well earned. Keep up the great work brother

Revomal is key

Oh dude! Perfect timing!

Perfect just what i needed thank you new sub

This is how to build any deck, not just budget

Quick question: why do you illustrate the ramp with cards like Lorien Revealed or evolving wilds? Apart from that, great video, thanks!

Another great video

Commenting because you are two subs shy of 1k, great video regardless, but gotta get that engagement engine rollin'

My adventure deck is my favorite budget deck. budget games can be really fun

Going off your ratio for draw power in the command zone vrs not in the zone, does a similar principle apply if your commander has a built-in removal option?

Hello! Nice video, do you also have a Thallisse decklist that you can share? Doing a budget one right now and would be happy to have something that can help me build her :)

Remember kids the most important part of commander deck are your meat and veggies. Creating mana and card advantage, is your meats. Removal and protection are your veggies. Just like your portions, everything else is just the side dishes. Eat your meat and veggies first.

Hey, great video ! By the way Thrill of possibility is not card draw ;) it is card selection like almost everything in red

My tips for budget building: play 1 or 2 color decks. Mana fixing can be expensive. Simple mana base is cheap mana base. Secondly, pick a commander that synergizes well with other inexpensive cards. Zada is a good example. Most of the cards he combos with are commons. Talrand can synergize with literally any blue instant or sorcery.

watched 2 of your vids about creating decks, and there is nothing said about protection of commander, when he is a fundament of a deck. for example I have a brimaz blight of oreskos, which is my main engine to create incubators and to speed up proliferate. My plan is to cast some poison enablers, and then proliferate through more spells and sac phyrexians while having Brimaz. I had 2 games when he was killed several times so my commander costed 10 mana = impossible to cast at that time. And without him my board was developing very slow and flow of poison kinda stopped :/ Now my plan is to throw in ~6 white protection spells and keep an open mana all the time to save Brimaz. what you think?

Any chance you could share the xenagos list?

This is so difficult to do in my Sharuum deck lol usually people associate budget with powered down. Sharuum is budget, powered down and still gets groans from the table :(

I'm building a Pauper Commander deck, and card draw is tough. But it's fun to build.

Rlly good advice. Do you by chance mind sharing the tatyova and kutzil lists ?

Where's the Zenagos decklist at? O_O

bro, your video is cool and true for the most part, but you can combo like crazy in low budget, the majority of my decks are combo decks and they are all budget too

Damn 75$ is a budget? By budget decks are like half of that lol

Ok ok ok I feel like the universe is pushing to make an MTG video. There are many budget infinite combos in edh. Way to many actually. Niv mizzet curiosity is the easiest deck to point to. Also easy to execute. Tatyova can also run many infinite combos that cost a couple of euros. Also I have made an abdel Adrian deck that has won against no budget stax decks, no budget pako decks and the deck doesn't even cost 40 or something euros last time in checked. To anyone who wants to play combos or storm off let me tell you it is more budget than building good creature decks. The problem is that the decks are usually only two colours and repetitive since the advice of building the deck as a 60 card deck is still true so the deck plays a lot of redundant effects and many cards that do the same. But you can absolutely build budget combo decks

Never played magic irl do people get annoyed if you have a ton of removal?

I want to gift a Tatyova deck, where is the link?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Seems good, have some algorithm

My 25$ Light Paws & Zada Deck about Budget = Lower Power: 👀😅

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The problem with 20 removals is that you take the fun away from everyone else to have fun. I run 3 removal, 3 counter, 1 or 2 board wipes. That's it. 20 removal per decks, that 80 removal at the table. Bruh, no one has fun brother.

Youre right revomal is very cheap

no i'm not, my decks work pretty well

I don't recommend too much removal in low power games... removal slows games down in to a crawl... as soon as you go high removal you have a chance against higher power tables.

4:02 This argument is odd bc it seems to imply that higher budget/power games go by faster so you don’t NEED as much removal. It’s also a bit odd that at 5:16 you suggest that there’s not a lot of “budget” infinite combos or combos in general. Buddy this is Magic. Cards go infinite even if it’s two 8-mana 5¢ cards interacting with each other. There’s burn spells that are cheap. Combat isn’t the ONLY way to win a game of magic, admittedly it probably is going to be the most common method by far though. I just don’t want burn players or combo players disincentivized from building archetypes they are interested in. Not to mention aristocrats. The weird thing also about budget in EDH is that it’s proxy friendly (for the most part) and in conjunction with the banlist being an afterthought at best that anything goes and decks can be as powerful as you want without worrying about a budget. And i do believe power is tied to budget. It’s probably the biggest factor, outside of the vacuum of card design. It’s the reason lower powered tables don’t see dockside extortionist as often as cEDH tables. There is no budget at cEDH tables but there is one at lower power ones.

"Play a lot of removal and card draw". How can you all appraise what he says.. if even he doesnt do it? GW has ONE card draw and UG has TWO! Come on..

You don’t need a commander that draws you cards. Build what commander you want. Yes you obviously need card draw and interaction.

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