@gljames24 theyre called plotters and theyre amazing, you can get them for cheap, they all use the same standardised protocol so everything just works, and you can use it to get that "handwritten" look if you employ variable fonts
The worst part of all this is that hp made an advertisement in 2016 about how each print costs around 0.001 USD. Those 20 prints are supposed to cost 2 cents. Their stupid service has a 100,000% markup
My is 10 cent per sheet. But there is no payment process machine, just a box with a hole for you to drop coins into. No one check if you pay. I rarely use cash, so I never have change on me, so I just keep my own tap and thrown in a $5 bill after not paying for a few times.
It's typical at large libraries that are used by lots of people, but if you live in a rural butt fuck nowhere town, you probably paying a crap load for something stupid print it on some simple paper.
It was 10 cents when I was 10, and I'm sadly in my 50s now. Well, that's better than the alternative, I suppose, but I've literally been dead, and crossed over, and it wasn't all that bad!
My partner and I were flabbergasted when we had a plumber come over to fix an issue, and they tried to sign us up for a subscription. A subscription. For a plumber...
It’s not even a full ream of 500 pages in the 2 year contract. A ream for reference costs about $3 so you’ll be able to print just under 3$ worth of paper
Don't worry. Thanks to non consensual data harvesting. HP knows when your kid goes back to school. So they make sure your ink stops working after you bought all the kids other school supplies.
More than anything, because their competitors are doing the same nasty things HP is, because they know HP is basically minting money with this. This is what deregulation and lack of regulation gives you--corporations that just shamelessly stick it to the consumer, and the consumer having nothing they can do about it and nowhere to turn to get it to stop.
About 15 years ago I bought what was then the cheapest black/white laser printer from Brother. I just printed a test page and here are the stats: 3237 pages printed. Remaining drum life is 80%. This drum has been replaced zero times so far. During this time there were a total of 10 paper jams. Drivers work without any problems in current Windows and MacOS. I will pass this printer on to my grandchildren.
I have the exact same experience with my Brother laser printer bought in 2012. Other companies can learn from Brother. Yeah, I don't pay money to Brother every month, but they get really good press and people can trust them by buying a new Brother printer when they through out their dead HP one.
Yeah, I bought a used Brother laser at Goodwill for $8. Drum came 95% full. Used it for 10 years, still works. I bought a wireless one for $100 just for convenience, also works great. Zero issues.
I was so glad I managed to salvage my old b&w Brother laser with scanner from electronic waste as I wanted color printer at work. Got shitty HP laser that is buggy as hell. I think that Brother printer will be last printer I've ever get to home as it still has consumables in good state. It just works. Not like the flashy color touchscreen HP junk I now have 🙂 Luckily I don't have to print too much at work. Even then I many times go to office Brother laser printer as it is just so much more reliable. Insane stupid things in that HP like it just states after 10 page print that it's "cleaning" and prints one blank page in between the rest. I could live with that, but the friggin junk loses that one page from document? How stupid that is?? Heck even their customer service was like "oh that's bizarre? Sorry we can't help you" 🤦😡
I've had an HL-2270DW for years now. This little guy is a tank, and just powers out page after page. Drivers and compatibility have never been an issue. Brother apparently has excellent support for Linux, and setting it up there has sometimes been easier than my Windows PCs. It duplexes. Toner is dirt cheap compared to ink. It can be attached to a network. That article at the end might have been AI generated, but it was right by my experience. Get a Brother laser printer, stop playing around with inkjets. Maybe you need color if you have kids, but Black and White is good for 99.9% of what I've *needed* to print out.
You've made the mistake of assuming that companies care about what customers think. They only care insofar as it will hurt profits. If subscription services bring in more money, who cares if customers complain.
@@mrbanana6464 they seem to forget there only where they are cause of the customer if nobody bought there stuff they wouldnt be where they are and if companies keep following shady practices then people will go elsewhere
I brought a used Brother B&W printer copier scanner at an estate auction a couple years ago. It was about 10 years old, barely used, with 1,800 copies and 1,000 prints (total 2,800 prints), and still on the original toner. *Best $15 I ever spent.*
I did similar. Bought a used colour laser Lexmark for £30 from Gumtree. I did need to replace the toners after a short while which set me back a fair amount, but I know that the toners will probably last me several years with the amount of printing I actually do at home
Basically the same, but I asked for the most basic Brother B&W laser printer that could connect via LAN and WiFi. It's never failed, very rarely jams, and the sample toner lasts thousands of pages. I have a bigger one from work, jams a bit more often and eats Chinese toner every few months.
@@aboutwhat1930 I bought a Brother B&W with Lan, USB, and Wifi my freshman year of college. Finishing grad school this year, never once had it fail to print or had to struggle with it. Only on my second toner cartridge after easily thousands of pages. If you don't need color, Brother is the best there is.
Not as good of a deal as yours but I got a barely used (and I mean BARELY -- like only a couple dozen prints) Brother printer for 80 bucks when its original value was like 250 or something and I'm really hyped, gonna need this like crazy for grad school lol
"Buy yourself a cheap color laser" This is the way. I bought my hp laserjet in a thrift store about 10 years ago now, the only reason I've replaced the toner is because it was almost empty to start with and the new drums have a yield of 2 thousand pages. My dad's black laser lexmark is over 20 years old now and it works fine.
Don't buy a brother printer though. I got mine a few years ago and it smears black toner on all pages. Their solution was to replace the toner cartridge. After a week the problem happened again. This happened 3 times. They would not do anything else. It wasn't that cheap either
I worked at a Staples for a number of years, and whenever people asked me if there was a better version of one of the HP printers, I'd take them to the Brother section.
For those needing great graphics and the ability to print promotional things, Lexmark colour laser printers are where its at - their colour laser enterprise network printers support and print Pantone colours.
Brother this is what I do, I purposefully steer them away from HP (and Canon) when possible; Epson and Brother printers are the real MVPs for now esp if you just want "it works" printing on Windows/macOS/Linux.
Brother laser printers (historically) were among the few that allowed toner cartridge "reset" from the menus, basically allowing you to print until *you* decide the toner is empty! Shocking! :)
The comments are making me happy I bought a Brother printer a few years ago. It’s a bit thirst and a pain to set up initially but overall it’s been a great all-in-one device.
Legit point there. Heck when I was at school we used some printing house and it costed like 2euros for 50 pages in extremely good quality copies, ready to be filed with holes etc.
My school lets you print around 200 pages a year for free in their library. Not even accounting for the local public library that also lets you print around 5 pages a day for free. Which is available to everyone. Or simply going to staples, and doing multiple billboard sized prints for like $10.
Fair enough. But you have to go there every time. That's the thing, even in the 90s as we got our first printer at home, you lost. The printer costs you back in time like 500 bucks. And the bloody ink was already very expensive. I don't even want to mention all the troubles the printers made back in time. To keep them running was almost a full-time job.
@@mcgeufer it sounds like printers were way worse but you would think that with the advancements in computers and standards we got over the years printing would be as easy as pressing the button, but now there are so many extra steps to it that you have to pray every time you want to print a sad little document.
@@snil4Well, I do agree, Printers did not evolve as much as a lot of other techs. They just stayed pretty terrible. At least in general, some models from Brother seem to be decent.
Dude brother is way better, don’t you just love it how you can just click print and it actually prints?? Like doesn’t require to login, say your login is incorrect, reset your password, finally login, printer won’t connect to the internet, finally get the printer to connect to the internet which you therefore have to login in again which it gives you another error. You finally have the printer connected to the internet and you press print, but it wasn’t from the HP app, so you launch it back up, and yet again you have to relogin. You relogin to find out the printer has lost connection. You painfully do the process again, just to release again that the while even both being connected there isn’t any communication and that the app kinda sucks on windows. You give up on trying to do it on the computer despite using a cable which is useless. You download the app just and sign in, the app doesn’t boot up correctly and makes you relogin. You finally log and have to email the document, then you have to give the Hp app access to files, you finally connect to the printer, and you send over the file. However you forgot to refill the paper. You refill the paper just for the printer to disconnect from the internet and bluetooth, you grab the printer, you smash the printer. You go to office depot, and you buy a brother
@@seriessplayer62747I downright hate HP products. All of them, but especially printers. Your text reminded me of nice little incident at work. Printer had been used occasionally. I think I wanted to scan something and all of the sudden when launching program it updated itself without me even trying to do that. Well ok I can live with that. But then tried to open the scanning software it essentially wanted to suddenly register without possibility to skip the process. At that moment I was furious and almost ripped the cords of wanting to throw it in electronics waste. Luckily it was some "new" software, but old previous stuff was still there. But what kinds of morons do something like that to their customers? All of the sudden want to imply users that registering product is all of the sudden mandatory??? F that shiiit 😂
I am already earning my close and even my extended family to avoid HP and, to a lesser extent, canon printer. I advise them to save that a little bit of money for a brother or Epson monochrome laser printer.
Brother is amazing. My printer is 14 years old, has printed 25,000 pages so far, still has driver support up to windows 10, and works fine in windows 11. The latest brother android/ios app still works with my old printer. It has only jammed twice i recall, and was an easy pull out the paper and try again. 4 years ago my drum went bad, and i was delighted to see brother still sells brand new drums for my, at the time, 10 year old printer. The model is MFC-7840W, for who are curious.
Brother printers are wonderful, I sell a lot of printers, and the only time people buy new ones is when their drum wears out, and I cant convince them to buy a new drum instead of new printer.
I've owned four Brother laser printers. I was happy with them until their driver started delivering toner pop-up ads. I will never buy another Brother printer.
My wife got an HP printer, didn’t believe me about the crap they pulled. She scoffed at me buying a laser one. She had to replace her debit card because she lost it at Christmas. One day my daughter can’t print some pictures and my wife doesn’t understand so she does everything then calls HP who inform her of their BS. We’re shopping for a new laser printer next week, courtesy of Louis Rossman’s recommendations.
Just buy a brother b/w laser printer for around $100, it always works and the toner last forever. After printing hundreds of pages I'm still using the included toner. If you need to print color, get an additional inktjet.
I've been looking to replace my HP printer for like 3 years. I'm sick of it randomly not working on Windows until I delete it from printers & devices, and restarting my laptop. Colours are nice at least, scanner is very high resolution for £30 (though the colour reproduction is a joke) Looking to get an Epson Expression, like the one I recommended for my dad. It takes 3rd party cartridges without locking you out of features (think canon does that?), prints onto CDs (yes I still burn CDs) and it scans directly to OneDrive
It's more than I need per year. But why would I spend £65 on printing every year, when I can buy a laser printer than lasts more than 3 years new for less than 3x the price, or second-hand for the same price?
I rarely need to print anything, but when I do, it's on a Sunday night, I need to print several pages at one and the ink is dried up in my printer because it hasn't been used for a couple of months. So every time I print something I have to spend an hour trying to get it to work. I had enough of it and found a used Lexmark laser printer nearby, got it for about $30, in great shape, with half of a toner still in it. It's been two years and I've had zero issues so far. It has a print server so messing about with drivers is also a non-issue. Every device just finds it and prints without a hassle. Linux, Windows, MacOS, Chrome OS, you name it. Best $30 I ever spent. I even bought a new toner for it, because it's supposedly running low... four months in and it still hasn't run out.
Bought a black and white brother laser printer HL-L2350DW and it was the best purchase. Works when I need it, never runs out of ink at the amount I print. If we need pictures printed we send them off to online print service. Do don't need colour printing at home when we have so many options online.
Got my Brother Laser Printer for my 18'th birtday... im now 33... i printed every single thing for school, college and uni ever needed. It turned from eggshell white over beige to a now sickly nicotine yellow (i dont even smoke but it sits in direct sunlight)... the last time i saw that the toner was about to get low instead of taking it out i just shook the whole printer, that was about three years ago... its the first cartridge i got with the printer, it now has printed about 5k or 6k pages, I lost the one i got included as a replacement... The prints are getting more grayish now instead of black...
HP printers have been a scam in the past 10-15 years. The only way they are worth their money, is by buying a CISS(continuous ink supply system) contraption and adding it on to the printer, which comes with resettable chips.
I will own things, and they will be happy with my one-time payment from many years ago cuz it's obvious that just ain't good enough anymore greedy corps want more money, and faster please 🚫
I bought a brother 10 years ago and to this day it’s still my favorite printer. Oem ink was fairly priced, and aftermarket ink is reliable and super affordable.
I've been using the Epson Ecotank printer for two years and the ability to use third party ink cartridges and not be locked down by some bullshit DRM mode has been wonderful. Shaq sold some seriously great printers. 🏀
Yup. Plus it’s worth spending the $100-200 for a black and white inkjet. Also they last years without leaking ever. if you need color and print a lot and quality photos a printer with those refillable ink bottles are great. Theyre admittidly like $200 but so cheap on ink and good quality no fuss
Mine stopped working after two years due to a scanner issue, and it blocks the screen so I can top up my ink now because the “ink is low”. I hate epson now. Cost me a fortune.
I have a L355, my dad bought it in 2014 after the ancient HP 810c he bought in the 1990s died and it still works. I still have around half of the 1 liter bottles of knockoff ink that I bought in 2016.
@@carlosdgutierrez6570 our old laser printer was also over a decade before we put it out of commission. Frankly we would buy name brand ink because why not the price wasn’t much more and unlike regular printers it didn’t leak. Now we have a xerox black and white. And besides it sometimes being a bit tricky with getting it to connect wirelessly the first time especially on windows 10 once it’s connected never any issues. Our old printer was an Epsom and it was good. Annoying it wouldn’t print automatically you had to hit the ok button and it would like turn on even more even though it was already turned on? It was a fairly common bug with it. I’ve found all laser printers are a pain in the ass to connect to over WiFi. Frankly the printers we buy are on sale laser jets usually an older model but still qualify. They’re also a bit jankier to get setup. But once it’s setup basically never an issue. And when there is an issue it’s very very easy to fix. This is less useful now with smartphone apps like genius scan being able to pdf scan 99.999% of the time but for ultra professional photo copies being able to scan and then print or copy the scan onto a usb card is a nice touch I keep a copy of my drivers license in my car done this way in case I forget say my wallet or if I want to have a card be copied very professionally maybe a health insurance or car insurance where appearances matter. We’ve had this one for at least 4 years and only about a year back replaced the starter pack of ink. And when I say starter it was like 1/4th the regular size and 1/8th to 1/16th the amount of pages as the bigger ones. Ink is pretty expensive it’s like $50-169 but my god do you get a lot of pages. Literally thousands and I do believe it. The one included was like 600 or 800 pages while the standard that costs $50 is 1,200. $100 is the high capacity and 3,000 pages. The extra high capacity is $169 but 6,000 pages. This is from xerox website I’m sure it can be found cheaper elsewhere. The ultra high capacity If I print 100 pages a month which is frankly a crap of pages that’s 5 years worth of ink. If I print a page a day so 30 a month that’s 16.67 years of ink. My god. Based on our average printing the 3,000 $100 one would last about 13-15 years. It’s insanity. Oh and the text it’s so crisp so clean. It looks like it’s professionally done not some cheap printer. Double sided too, very fast. Never needs cleaning or calibration holds tons of paper. And it only cost like $100. And given the included ink lasted for over 3 years and the quality it’s a deal. And these things seriously do last forever. You’ll probably have a new os that can’t recognize such an older printer long before the printer or ink goes bad. We actually print a surprisingly large amount of documents. Not like massive amounts but far more than most. While it can’t do color the text is very crisp and it’s a pretty fast. Funny enough windows 11 made it much better I think they really improved driver support with printers surprisingly enough. Also Bluetooth while still not the best is miles better on windows 11.
The moment in history when companies decided to stop making new products and start to only focus on producing money. Is the end point all of them just turning into fintech?
the goal was always only to produce money, they just kept pushing the boindary of what people would accept and that's how we ended up here. every person who's said "oh its not a big deal" to scummy, anti-consumer tactics is implicit in this as far as im concerned
Basically they want to stick in the 1800s technology okay maybe not literal 1800s, but think about the Amish for a second, they are stuck in the 1800s technology, they do not want to advance and they won't, well this company is roughly doing the exact same thing and they are more than likely to go bankrupt and die forever over such a stupid concept that we have long since surpassed.
I am a sailor and i need to print & scan a lot of documents all the time and it needs to be reliable because in the middle of the ocean you can’t go to a store. I can vouch for Brother printers in my 15 year old career. Any of those are tanks! No hassle at all.
I have an HP printer that I bought on sale about 3 years ago and I have an e-Ink plan that I chose to go with because between working from home and kids who love colouring and worksheets, I do a decent amount of printing. I've been happy enough overall with it, if I'm honest. It works out for me and I don't have to pay much attention to ink levels. *That said*, when it's time to replace, I'm absolutely going with something else, likely a colour laser printer. I absolutely won't be choosing one where a monthly fee isn't even *optional* 😬
Used to work for HP, it's all about recurring revenue. We used to sell a 3000 series printer, nicknamed the bread box that was only sold at good ol' Canadian Tire. It was literally cheaper to just keep buying a new 3000 series printer than to buy ink, since it came with two ink cartridges.. #$$$$
Funny you say that, I actually still own a 3070a. Here in Germany they were one of these supermarket specials. :D Never bothed with official ink and also haven't really printed at home in years, but the scanner is still going.
I literally did this when I was at university, many moons ago. Printer out of ink? Chuck it and buy a new one for rather less than the cost of ink cartridges. E-waste? What's that?
I worked at a school and when the printer with the colored ink ran out, they would just buy a new one because it was cheaper than the ink. Eventually, they just stopped buying new ones and teachers haven’t had access to any printer with colored ink since… 😖
@@The_Georgi0 I've been seeing this "fr fr" stuff in lots of places in the past few weeks, but never before and no idea what it even is supposed to mean. Help a brother out?
I bought an Epson printer for this exact reason. I got refillable cartridges which cost 30 euros as a one time investment. I got ink in bottles which cost me 20 Euros for a refill kit and got 100ml of inkt. For 50 euros I'm done for the coming 2 years. No cap, no monthly fee
I print off service manuals that are sometimes 200+ pages in length. Thank god I still got my brother printer I bought in 2018. 5000 pages, original drum, one toner replacement.
@@BenState That would be 299 CAD + roughly 30 for no name toner... 0.06 per page I haven't checked the print statistics lately so it could be more pages
I used to work at a print shop where we had a self-serve printer. You can imagine the VAST amounts of printing errors and screw ups wasting not only toner, but paper. This HP plan is insane for this main reason: If you screw up your print job, you are not getting your 20 page count refunded. This is a SCAM
I made a commitment ten years ago and I'm holding to it. "NEVER INKJET, NOT ANYMORE". I'm paying $300 every three years and print 5,000 color pages, with a Laser Printer with four toners. It prints fine after months of standby, it never gets clogged. I have a monochrome LED printer with a single toner for 90% of the office-type prints, which don't require color. Drop inkjet printers - they are the most widespread scam for two consecutive millenium!
Inkjets are definitely not for everyone but if you have to print photos you need one. Epson has the EcoTank which lets you refill the ink and if you use official ink it costs like $50 to refill it and it can print upwards of 3,000-5,000 pages. Cheaper than toner.
Brother actually have a similar plan called EcoPro but the prices are actually fair: - 4€ = 50 pages - 6€ = 100 pages - 12€ = 300 pages and you can accumulate up to double the amount of pages, so if you have the 100 pages plan and you only used 50 this month, the next month you have 150 pages. I did the math, if you usually buy original ink, one of those plan can actually be cheaper, and also the machine has full warranty while the plan is active.
I have a brother in my office at work and it is a champ. Mine isn't anything fancy, and we have a fancy copier if I need that, but absolutely 0 issues with my brother. Would gladly pick one up for my own home if I needed to.
@TheSaintsVEVO makes sense, brother was owned by Samsung printers when HP purchased them years ago. So brother has been an HP brand for 5+ years. It is suprising it did not change faster
@@igobyozThey will boil the frog somewhat. HP will be their cash cow that they will advertise the most, and get chumps to buy it. And get brother engineering division to make their printers just in case, for the portion of the market occupied by the less naive people. If they will push it too far - people with some knowledge, and small businesses will just buy products from the competition. Hopefully, they won't just buy out competition. Again. 😂
luke's comment at 8:58 still holds true. I used to work at office max until the new year, and while we always sold more hp printers than brother, no one ever brought back brother printers! we had up to 1/3 or even half our hp printers returned because they're just crap, meanwhile brother is what I always recommended to customers (maybe sometimes epson). it's astonishing how desperate hp is getting, almost like they intentionally make bad decisions that prey on people who don't know better that always end up backfiring on them in one way or another.
i worked at OfficeMax like ten years ago and HP really pushed for us to prioritize their printers over everyone else. so we ended up selling a lot of HPs, but we also would end up selling a lot of Brothers based purely on "well if you want one thats simple and works, here you go". Brother doesnt need dumb gimmicks, advertising dollars, or strongarming customers into subscriptions to sell product; they just stand on business and get it done.
Can confirm on the old brother laser printers. Bought one while I was in school and over 10 years later it’s still going strong. I don’t need it anymore but I gave it to my dad and it’s still perfectly fine when he needs it
I have a Brother Laser printer i bought around...6 years ago? (LFC-L27070W) Along with 4 knockoff toner cartridges from amazon rated for 2000 pages each, been in service constantly printing documents, reports, legal stuff for home. I had to replace the cartridge once a few months ago. Can't recommend Brother lasers enough!
3 years ago I bought an Epson Eco tank printer and I'm still using the frist batch of ink. The damn things a beast and it dose pretty ok on photos. Was it a bit expensive yeah but man it's a great printer.
I bought a brother black and white laser printer almost 4 years ago exactly for $100 before tax. 99.99/(4*12) = $2.08 per month, but now i own it and have had to replace the toner one time. I anticipate including it in my will for my children.
If anyone is curious why this is a thing it's because investors want committed revenue data. Knowing how many customers are going to be paying you in the next two years is much more valuable than estimating how many printers you will sell in the next two years with no guarantee they will actually sell. Knowing that figure lets investors know it they should back out early/invest more and tell companies to lay off staff and cut costs
I have to say, I know someone who started working on that not long ago(a call center which I wont mention the name just in case), I had been explained a lot of things about it and the prices, I mean they do not pay bad hourly (at least in my country) , they spent back to back (meaning lots of calls from people), there is indeed people willing to do it, for me its ridiculous but you americans (only in US at the moment thankfully) are willing to pay for it! Unless people were to stop at all, the business model will continue, how long will it last I am not sure, in the meantime at least some of my compatriots will try taking advantage since its good pay, but yeah unless you do something this type of companies will go ahead and try this amazing new ideas to get money out of people. I currently have an epson ecotank and would say the ink bottles last for months (we use it a lot for school homework) and has been working fine, not to give them any marketing but epson still seems to be a good brand to rely on.
Same old story - got an HP printer like 5 years back. Used it for maybe 10 pages, 20 max over this time. The ink stopped working once after a year or so, just a random replace the cartridge and no amount of fixing would help. Got another offical cartridge, about 1/2, 1/3 the price of the printer for 2ml ink with a barcode. Works alittle longer, than starts giving me white, unprinted lines. Order from aliexpress an ink fill up. Inject it myself. Works. That's 10 bucks of 10 ink refills. After a few months it tells me to replace the cartridge again, it's filled to the brim with ink... I gave up. No more printing for me. If i need to print, i go to a store.
I have that exact brother printer lol. Its been great. Haven't run out of toner and I've printed something from almost every device I own including my android phone, windows 10 desktop, linux laptops, and MacBook Pro. Never an issue.
This is fantastic news for print shops. I don't know if that's a thing in the US or Canada, but they are everywhere in my city and they're great; you can print a 100 page document for 6 bucks. Havent used a printer in years
In my town in Texas there used to be a print shop, mostly for photos but you can print regular documents too, but it shut down recently due to it being family owned and the owner getting too old to run it. It also didn’t help that the university library was right across the street, free printing for students
I recently bought a Brother laser printer and it's amazing. The included toner cartridges can do 1k pages and the replacement cartridges are cheaper than what I purchased for my old Canon Inkjet. The new cartridges will do 5k pages. The software is also better, and because it's Brother, it has NATIVE Linux support and provide driver and software downloads on their site for Linux.
as someone who has bought a black and white laser printer from hp 7 years ago... i have not replaced the cartridge once yet, the printer is still old enough to be dumb and not auto install spooky firmware or require some BS software to run. it just prints. i like it.
i currently have a Brother MFC7360N it has printed more than 63k pages, i received as a gift from someone that was upgrading shop, had to recently replace the drum for 20 bucks, and 3 toners for 22 bucks, still going great at this day (manufactured in 2011)
I have a second hand black and white hp laser printer that I got for free from an university that was getting rid of old equipment. The printer came with toner. I've had it for 4 years and I'm still using the same toner. Best "investment" ever.
I bought a Canon with the ink tanks about 6 years ago for $499.99 CAD and I cried at the price. However I knew paying the extra upfront for a decently built machine was better than saving now and being locked into cartridges. So far to date I've printed 13763 pages. I've used two full sets of ink bottles and I've replaced the waste ink absorber and a print head. Total for those is $100 for ink and $120 in replacement parts. It still prints great. It's wireless and I've never had connection bs. If I still had my HP I'd be on my 5th one by now.
Bought a printer for school work 3 years ago, I bought a black ink cartridge once 2 years ago and it’s still going strong. For a little as I print, I still saved more money this way than any stupid subscription. And it would be even cheaper to print at my local or school libraries but having a printer is more convenient since I don’t have to leave home, but you better believe that’s how I printed before I bought a printer
I bought a brother lazer printer and I've been happy ever since. knock off toner is fine and costs $20 per 1k inked pages. I've used up one entire cart once, but there's no ink to dry and you get more for your money. no brainer. I bought a canon lazer printer and it failed within a day printing a single page on it. the brother printer dims the lights when it's printing. do not buy a canon printer and brothers are crazy good and don't have crazy drm. also mopria just works and requires no drivers except for android. also didn't require me to make an account, there's a web interface to configure the printer not an app.
I believe I have the older version black & white brother laser printer that they mentioned and it's been going for at least a few years, i think i bought it for $140, it's printed 70,000 pages and it's still going.
And if you end your subscription you'll be locked out of their ink. Also they have "Cartridges Protection" feature is DRM so that someone can't steal your ink cartridges. Quite pointless. My grandma's printer somehow detected after awhile that the ink cartridge was 'protected'. Detecting the ink cartridge as stolen after so long.
I have a completely dumb, wired Brother laser printer that I can now use wirelessly anywhere on my network thanks to finally trying docker and Air-cups
My router, an Asus, running the "freshtomato" firmware, has usb ports and the capability of plugging your usb printer connection and making the router be a print server. No RaspberryPi needed.
People who are not engineers or software developers can't just hook up a raspberry pi and bypass all the bullshit on a printer. You want to make some money? Set them up to be plug and play and just sell the raspberry pies to people
@@did_I_hurt_your_fee_fees i am kinda surprised that printerservers are not a thing anymore. I looked at multiple boxes 10-15 years ago, which brought Ethernet capabilities to usb printers and weirdly enough: they stopped. I don't think the market is there anymore, as every router has a usb port which is plug and play ;) But i think everybody can do this, if the explanation is good. The problem lies within the tech community not writing good documentation, not with the non-tech people.
I have a Canon MegaTank printer and I love it. I had it for 4 years, I do prints pretty frequently and I only had to buy ink once. And the ink is super cheap and it literally comes in a huge bottle.
I bought a brother colour laser. It has worked everytime I have accessed it in the 3 years I've owned it. It's never needed to be touched otherwise. It prints from windows and linux. My daughter prints full page colour pictures. 3 years and the toner are all still showing as 100%.
I bought a used (almost new, printed like 30 pages before) for $50 in Apr 2022. I would have paid $154 with HP subscription service. The most intense time I used the printer was when writing my master's thesis, and I printed my 100 pages like 4 times. I would have take me 20 months to do that with HP.
I did exactly what you say. I bought a 120$ Brother laser printer and I can print more than 2000 pages with a 60$ toner. And you can even use third party toner if you want. I only print work related manuals, sample code and things like that anyway, so I don't have any need for color.
I am so glad you are talking about this!! I just made a video about how predatory the instant ink program actually is. Not only do they charge you no matter what, even if you do not print, they will LOCK YOUR PRINTER from printing if you lapse the subscription. I encourage anyone who sees this to look at my video too, purely because I told the customer support at HP that I was going to make a video about them. We need to make more people aware of this and make HP understand that we wont put up with this.
not true, only the subscription ink cartridges will stop working, you need to buy regular ink cartridges from a store or amazon etc.. for it to work off subscription. The "service" you pay for each month is for there monitoring of the ink levels to send you new ones and to pay for the cartridge they send.
@@Johnny5ive_ I said as much in the video. That is absolutely correct. The issue is that they can do that at all and also the predatory billing practices. Also be wary of HP+ as it allows that to lock out 3rd party cartridges.
My printer uses a toner, i get 20k prints from 1 toner cartridge. I never print using color so i switched to a black print only and have saved sooooo much money not having to constantly buy ink!
Its 10 cents a page at my local library, 25 for color if i remember correctly. And you get 5 bucks of free printing a month. Both cheaper, AND you help fund an important/great public institution
I bought small office grade monochrome laser printer that had been returned but was working fine. It was dirt cheap and has printed over 1.3k pages on the same cartridge, and i can get a new one for less than a family trip to McDonald's. At the moment the biggest expense the last 7 years has been the paper... THE PAPER!!!
I work at office works an Australian office supply company and HP are the LEAST reliable printers BY FAR, we call them disposables. He's also right about the brothers being tanks
Bought a home colour laser printer 13 years ago, it's still going strong. I replace the cartridges every 18 months or so. While we rarely print, no way in hell would I ever consider a subscription printer plan. I'd do print jobs at Stables or any other local printing service before buying into a subscription plan!
I work for an office supply company and got a used Muratec laser MFP with very low count on it. Been using it now for about 7 or 8 years and have had zero issues.
My local library costs ten cents per print for most things. The highest cost is twenty five cents for full color copying and enlarging. Which is still about two thirds the cost of the cheapest HP subscription. In addition to that, I get to check out books while I'm there.
They did this with ink several years ago. I wasn't even printing 20 pages a month. But when I did, I printed 50 or more pages. I was getting cartridges faster than I was using them. So, I canceled my subscription until I caught up. Then I discovered that at the end of the month all my cartridges expired. I threw all these cartridges away and only buy from Walmart now.
I've got a brother color laser for my mom. She prints a ton since she is art teacher. She has only needed to replace the toner once in the last 4 years. Used to replace ink at least once a month with inkjet. We just order from Google photos, less than a quarter per photo, if we need higher quality.
The producers set the expectations of the customers, and the customers are fast learners. Back in the 60's when IBM rented you computers for your custom software, this plan HP has concocted would have worked. But now that we've experienced owning printers (like Brother) outright, without subscription services or manipulative DRM, there is no going back. The customers aren't stupid, we know HP can do better and this is a backwards cashgrab.
My parents bought a Epson L355 Ecotank in 2014-ish and since then the black ink was refilled only 3 times and the color ink only 2 times and that in a span of 10 years. Talk about reliability.
I used to work in a very Paper heavy office, ~90 REAMS of paper a year, thats 45,000 pages. At some point my boss got so fed up with dealing with the supplier for our giant ass office printer (you know the ones, size of a chest freezer) he cancelled our contract, went out to office works and bought a $300 Brother Laser printer In the course of a year we put in 3 toner refills ($260ea) and 1 new drum ($150) in it, and it was still going like new.
