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They should've just named it "Legend of Zelda; Oracle of Echoes" The world building fits, the style fits, Oracle games are mostly unconventional LoZ games. Only thing that doesn't fit are the Deku Scrubs and "Tri" theme (fairy and rod)
If it actually A Zelda awakening then maybe it represent the awakening of the triforce. If this is correct then the next game would be Ganondorf awakening
For most people, it's entirely irrelevant. Just didn't think it would be worth mentioning or wasting the time to make another generic joke about it. It's certainly a piece of Zelda history, and a very popular one at that, but for all intents and purposes, this *is* and will be Zelda's first adventure.
This will be Zelda's first main character role in MAIN SERIES GAMES. CDi games don't exist in the official Zelda timelines continuity. They're just in some weird fever dream dimension which never actually happened/existed. Princess Zelda deserved proper, conventional LoZ game and she's finally getting to be the true hero(ine)
I’ve been seeing people say why the shade didn’t mention Navi… but now your theory might connect some dots with that because like you said maybe it wasn’t the link we think it is. Hmmmmm Good solid theory
Certainly possible. I think if they aren't going for the dream angle, it's either being reused to save time, or they are using it specifically because it's a potential continuation of the Hero of Legend story and his last game (LA remake) had that artstyle, and they're keeping it as a through-line. Of course it could be a combination of those factors and others too. I think I won't consider it a recurring style for now, as only 2 games with it doesn't yet strike me as something to consider permanent.
I believe this game takes place after Link's Awakening link with sailing back to Hyrule from the Oracle games and on his way home he shipwrecked leading to Link's Awakening I believe this is right after link returns to Hyrule and finds out Zelda has been kidnapped leading into echoes of wisdom
Or it takes place right after Link defeating Ganon in ALttP with altered ending of him falling into a mysterious rift. At some point OoT Zoras and Deku people have moved in Hyrule in secrecy... hehe
Except Death Mountain is now in the northwest side of Hyrule, not northeast. And ALbwW Hyrule is almost 1:1 the same as A Link To The Past (1990 SNES game) Hyrule so this most likely take place in the latter's continuity
Zelda fans are so fucking annoying cause they’ll active argue *against* actually good plot points and characterization Hero's Shade being the Hero of Time is just a plot point that actively bolsters OoT's atory and actually gives that version of Link characterization thats more than just being a blank piece of wood. Bro gets actual character traits and youre actively trying to take that away Also, can i just point out it how insanely hypocritical it is of you to go "oh yeah Hyrule Historia isnt canon actually because I said so", yet turn around a d use fucking CONCEPT ART only ever shown in that very book as evidence for your claims. Either Hyrule Historia is canon, or it isnt. I fucking hate this wishy washy bullshit you fuck ass Zelda theorist love to pull with the franchise's lore books. It's canon until you arbitrarily decide its not in order to support your arguments On that note, I care way more about what the actual creators of the games have to say compared to just some random guy. Hyrule Historia says the Shade is the Hero of Time, therefore thats what he is. No amount of you acting intentionally obtuse or contradicting your own arguments will change that
1. The Hyrule Historia is not the origin of those concepts arts -- concept art is drawn by the studio artists before the games they are drawn for are even developed/in development... so it was drawn in the early 2000s, more than a decade before the existence of the book. No connection. 2. The actual creators of the game have never said anything about the HoT being the Shade. The book was written by people with no written credits in any Zelda game ever. Those are infact the "random guy"(s). 3. The book also calls the Shade being HoT a "theory" in another section of the book as we mentioned in the video. If you unquestionably subscribe to this source, then even it itself doesn't confirm the theory as fact because of this discrepancy. You can believe whatever you want, just as we do. We are providing an alternative viewpoint on something that the community has taken for fact, even though it's never been confirmed by any of the developers.
ALBW has a vastly different art style. Other than it looking completely different, look at how eyes are done in either style. LA/Echoes of Wisdom is obviously "toy"like and Aonuma has spoken in interviews about the style choice as well.
@@Dogo-537he didn’t say it was the same place, just that it could be in a similar dream world or take place while link is in the dream world from links awakening. Maybe that’s where the portal took him.
@@lukestarkiller1470 The world seems to be A Link To The Past/A Link Between Worlds Hyrule with some changes (like modern Death Mountain behind Lost Woods VS where it was in ALttP Hyrule)
@@StarlingKnight yeah I was just explaining what the video was saying, I definitely think it’s the same Hyrule as A Link to the Past/ Between Worlds. But we can’t tell yet if it’s the same Link from those games or a different one. He could be the same Link that’s in Links Awakening since they share the same art style or he could be a complete new incarnation of Link.
Except he did defeat Ganon in the trailer, he just fell into a portal opened up by Ganons staff. That would be a cool way to connect it to the timelines though
@@MysteriousTomJenkins only when it's convenient. They are constantly retconning stuff or introducing new types of magic, changing the layout of hyrule, and even its origin story
Someone listed all the small details like regular Zora and Deku Scrubs existing in ALttP timeline game and Seasons is the only sub-timline where this fits. So, it's basically Oracle of Dimensions
As for him accepting life as the hero... Also a far reach, for just because he is aware, does not mean that others are also aware by default. That's a fallacy.
The hidden skill talk of Shade saying that Link isn't a hero due to his lack of skill being a discrepancy is a far reach. Remember that what he said may not he supposed to be taken as literal fact. He could be darting as not being a full fledged hero because he is still growing. It could be personal bias from Time because of his regrets and even insecurities. He could have very well meant that Link is still lacking in skill, not that he isn't the true hero. It could also have been taunting, so that Link is more eager his best when fighting the Shade to prove himself.
As for the wolf transformation. Twilight Link would have never even known that he could transform into a wolf without being in direct contact with the Twilight. It is said that the transformation is supposed to protect the hero from darkness. OOT Link simply never had to transform into Wolf form due to the fact that he never had contact with Twilight energy. And as for why he knows, well, other people know too, before even Link knew it. Perhaps the knowledge could have already existed and was passed down to him. Or of course, The Hero's Shade could have been watching over Link, which is more likely.
The height difference doesn't matter at all. Stalfos are all the same tall size regardless of who they once were. Furthermore, he shouldn't go to Link's height, because most of Link's enemies are bound to be much bigger, for example, Ganondorf himself. Hero's Shade was preparing Link to fight not only against multiple foes, but also, his main antagonist. Kinda poetic that one of the skills is literally mandatory for you to finish the game. Even if he is not a Stalfos in specific, ghost monsters are known to be shaped weirdly. Just look at the poes in Arbiter's Grounds for example. His body could be warped due to his new form, or a fun theory from other fans is that he could even have absorbed some of the power within the fierce deity mask. But yeah, even if the manga accepts the Hero's Shade to be Time, this soldier could have very well been a knight who were trained by the techniques the Hero of Time passed down. I just don't get why he would call Link his child without being related to him.
Time's whole Journey as a Hero was done after Majora's Mask... from this point Time was free to pursue his own life, friendships and job choices. For him to become a Hyrulian Knight like his father is perfectly logical. As for how he died we don't know...
We don’t know anything of Link’s father in Ocarina of Time, only that he had a mother that fled to the Forest for safety of her child, which was Link. He has no knowledge of his family, and it seems no one alive has knowledge of this either. The idea that it’s logical is based on illogical information, as you said yourself, his journey was complete after Majora’s Mask, he never wanted to save Termina, he was searching for Navi, he was again forced into another adventure. I’m unsure how any of the information given in the games would imply Link chose to give up more of his childhood to live a solitary life as a knight without the freedoms he would have.
I found something that seems to match up with your theory of Ganondorf trying to pierce the sky and break into the heavens. While it's not an officially canon game, the first Hyrule Warriors game presents itself as taking place in a version of the Child Timeline set a very long time after Twilight Princess, featuring the same Ganondorf from both that game and the Child split ending of Ocarina of Time. And in that first Hyrule Warriors game, Ganondorf captures Hyrule Castle for himself. During the final battle between him and all the good guys, we are shown that the conquered Hyrule Castle has been affected by Ganondorf's power, which is represented by several gigantic evil-looking swords that have been jabbed into either the ground or into various structures surrounding the castle, with the biggest sword of all jabbed into Hyrule Castle itself, right in front of the castle's central tower. When we see this giant sword embedded in the castle, the very end tip of the sword's handle points upward into the sky and is surrounded by a vortex that looks eerily similar to the one seen in the Adult portion of Ocarina of Time, only with this vortex colored gray instead of in the colors of the Sages' energy (but that can be explained by Ganondorf having to use his own dark power to generate the sky-piercing vortex since there weren't any Sage temples in Hyrule Warriors). And when Hyrule Castle is retaken by the good guys in the final battle, the giant sword is magically lifted up and removed from the castle. Once the sword then disappears, so too does the sky-piercing vortex vanish and return back to being a normal sky. It's almost as if Ganondorf in this game wanted to continue his original plan from Ocarina of Time before his plans were averted in the Child split ending, making the sky-piercing vortex of Hyrule Warriors be a long time coming for the Child Timeline version of Ganondorf.
The songs were in wolf form he uses are songs from both Ocarina of Time and Majora’s Mask. That’s a pretty significant detail to over look and say “that’s not the Hero of Time Link”. They basically confirmed it with those references alone. You don’t need the book to basically bash you over the head with it.
Am I understanding this correctly? So this theory is that the Hero's Shade is a descendant of the Hero of time that didn't fully understand the lessons of the Hero of Time but did master some of skill martial skills and magic songs. Also possibly finding a fake Master Sword thinking it was the real deal and accepting the mantle he thought the sword held but never quite lived up into become a hero like his ancestor nor was able to pass on any of the lessons he was taught and more to do with that second factor he had enough regret to come back to teach his lessons?
We don't outline an exact narrative or theory as to who we specifically believe the Hero's Shade is -- we only give suggestions or possibilities, in accordance to all the points we debunk about the original theory. A narrative could be made from the points we make, but we didn't really attempt that in the video. For points like: - The Replica Master Swords, which could be wielded by anyone, not just OoT Link. - The OOT/MM songs weren't JUST known by Link, which many claim. - The odd placement of the Scabbard on the Shade (we have 2 Links in the series who have strong ties to knighthood and dont wear it like that either) Among the other points we discuss and debunk, we use these to show that the identity of the Shade is not as open and shut as people think it is. The overarching theme of the video is proving the Shade doesn't HAVE to be OoT Link, nor is the Shade's attributes exclusive to OoT link. Some people misinterpret our points-- like thinking we insinuate that Sheik, or Sharp, are potentially the Shade, because they knew songs the HoT knew. Or that because the Scabbards don't match from other Zelda Games, that we somehow are saying that other Master Swords wielded by Links throughout the series are fake... The major things we are pointing out with these debunks, is that all the traits of the Shade and his knowledge, are NOT exclusive to the Hero of Time, which many fans claim that are 100% exclusive to him, and that is cannot by any means be anyone else. All of these debunks, combined with the own source of the theory (Hyrule Historia) openly flip-flopping on whether the theory is canon or not (it calls it fan theory) all combine in our view, as enough evidence to strongly consider alternative ideas and theories of who the Shade could truly be.
Think the closest thing to ever an idea of what shade is..I know it’s not canon but this kinda serves at a fill in the gaps but there’s animation called hero’s purpose and it brings you to a older link years after majora and him basically coming back to hyrule and fight in the forces against ganon which I think this would be the hylean civil war and in that story he gets that armor because it’s high ranking knight armor but I’ve seen that and tho it’s not canon it’s interesting to see in actual media of what events would play out eventually working up to the events of twilight princess really good series check it out
I mean can't we just accept that Nintendo liked the theory and decided to canonize it I mean there wasn't any mention of a goddess hilia before Skywars sword besides lake hilia also you forgot to mention that in the twilight princess manga the hero shade reveals himself as the hero of time during likns's duel against Ganondorf also link from botw/totk doesn't appear to have the triforce mark yet he can wield the master sword so by your own logic botw/totk master sword is a fake one and the real one is somewhere else and that botw/totk link is not the real hero
the hero of time didnt use the moves seen in TP because he was a child when he fought ganondorf and the hero of time returns the master sword after the event of OOT so of course the sabbard wouldnt match up
I don't think so the hero shade is link when he put back the master sword as a kid as well as link wouldn't have the master sword, But technically nothing was a young adult maybe 20 something in Ocarina of Time, the hero shade might have had a longer life span that's why he might be taller, as well as his combined experience in Majora's Mask majors mask
Nintendo directly stated they're the same person. I know it's hard to decipher such cryptic information, so I'll try my best. When they say "The Hero's Shade is the Hero of Time", that means the Hero's Shade is the Hero of Time. Hope that helped.
The alleged source of the "direct statement" also states a few pages later that it's merely fan theory. On top of the book being written by folks who've never been credited in a Zelda game... hard to call that information a direct source.
Omg do you also believe in the theory that they are brother and sister? So cool. We can no longer doubt I think now haha I believe in this theory so much, too !! xD (and also know by the way that I love your theories on Tumblr, have a nice day!)
