Can u give more explanation? I dont understand what are u trying to say

@@VertixW the main reason why lethal tempo was removed was because of melee champions and how they would get almost double the effect of the rune to make up for them being melee but most of the melee champions that took this rune had a really good gap closer which made them extremely oppressive to play against at all stages (yone being straight up bullshit in top lane) but now on-hit champions that relied on this rune (some marksmans) are now struggling or got buffed really hard to make up for its removal which makes them either sht or problematic to deal with in their own way not to mention that one of the fun aspects of the rune was the powerfantasy of having such an insane attack speed to the point you could hide your movement animation behind your attack animation to confuse the enemy (aka space gliding) they also decided to nerf attack speed to make it more "valuable" but now they understand how bad of a change this really was to the point where they were testing buffing the base attack speed of champions internally to somewhat revert the nerf which got leaked in a pbe update 2 weeks ago

@@whatever9124 they literally could just nerf the rune for melees and thats it

The current Varus does not break the cap, with the passive “rework” he will break it.

@@HextechLab wait i thought the passive rework increase the ad and ap per level, have they changed that?

​@@vetoor0772ad und ap based on attack speed + bonus attack speed and breaking his cap to 2.7 smth

@@vetoor0772 they changed it 2nd time

They update it every day.

His E just allows him to get to 10.00 Attack Speed (it sets the cap from 2.50 to 10.00), his E alone does not give that much. Just as Bel'Veth Passive sets her cap to 9999.00 Attack Speed, but she will never get enough Attack Speed from her Passive alone to reach this, she needs other sources. Jinx used to be able to reach 90 AS with just her Passive but now she also needs Attack Speed from other sources since her Passive is not enough.

I think they increased that cap when he got popular building AS

Shitty idea tbh

​@@danieleduardomorenoperez1886nah, there's enough cc in the game. Plus they've already removed a bunch of tenacity, Wed be fine, healthier

The stun starts at the same time as the knockup, so Tenacity DOES affect it fully. The same is true for Sion Q for example. Against both of these, Tenacity is 100% effective, up until you reach a Tenacity value that reduces the stun to be shorter than the knockup, which is not reduced. Against Sion Q, that maximum effective tenacity threshold is ~55% Tenacity

@@caenen6869 a reply from the bug catching legend! Thank you for the info! Does that manifest in any kind of meaningful way? Like, are any interactions actually changed once I'm no longer stunned but am still knocked up? For Vel'Koz's E, the stun and knockup are the same base duration, so I'm curious what the purpose of the stun is. Though I suppose maybe if I were knocked down immediately by Poppy W, the stun would still persist?

@@Iniwid If the stun and knockup last the same time, what that typically means is that NEGATIVE tenacity (e.g. being affected by Ornn's brittle without your own tenacity to counteract it) will make the stun and thereby the whole CC effect last longer. Both Ornn's E and R use this, whereas originally they were using clunky and downright bugged Airborne buffs afffected by tenacity entirely. The gravity of the forced movement was unchanged so you actually had enemies walk right out of the knockups unexpectedly. Terrible all around. If you get the forced movement removed by another knockback/knockdown oroverridden by a delayed dash of your own, SOME of these effects, older knockbacks in particular, remove the Airborne effect immediately (for either the new one to take hold or for you to go free; some even cap their own duration to the forced movement duration that way, e.g. Tristana R). Most, however, don't. They could also remove the stunned buff is they remove the Airborne, but there may be CC spells that do the particular thing you described. Poppy W of course wouldn't affect those knockups/knockbacks either way; It only triggers against units with a forced movement going on which is "owned" (sourced) by yourself, which is how the game tells a knockback's movement segment apart from a dash. Urgot E was recently bugged in this regard, by the way; When he'd fling a target over his shoulder, this movement on them was told its source was the target itself, instead of Urgot - triggering THEIR sudden impact rune and also Poppy's W if she was an enemy to Urgot's target.

@@caenen6869 that is incredibly interesting to know - thanks for such a thorough response! It's always so interesting to learn more about the mechanisms at play

Not actually true for all CC effects, but a lot of buffs still only get cleaned up on buff-update ticks. In fact, when CCs (mostly airborne effects) were changed in ~2013, a lot of issues with chaining CCs came up that had to get solved back then - originally, the game was set up to assume your ability to take actions (move, attack, cast) would only update every 0.25s on each buff-update.

I feel like SOME knockups should get the special treatment but yeah For example poppy's charged ult makes no sense to be reduced by tenacity, same for sett's ult, alistar W and other displacement knock-ups

⁠@@ryu_liduSett R is a suppression not a knock up, a small but important distinction. This means while it’s not affected by tenacity, you can QSS/Gp W to get out of it. Note: similar to Malzahar R, you cannot *Cleanse* it.

Tbh thats a shitty idea

​@@ryu_liduI wouldn't mind poppy r getting reduced or her w knock up as well. Aslong as they reduce her w cool down I think it's a fair trade

It's probably because they let the intern do the change where lulu ult knockup duration was increased from 0.75s to 1s

Just garen can reach 100% tenacity bro. It works with every champ

@@starjadiancloneinvestigato1772I saw someone say when they did that change that they should just fix this bug instead of buffing, crazy to know its probably secretly been in game for so long

Braum's Passive stun used to be unaffected by Tenacity for years, changes are someone flipped the switch that makes the buff not do the default Tenacity interaction here, or the tenacity interaction is (for basically no reason nowadays) handled in the spell script itself. Given that Lulu was released in early 2012, when all knockups and knockbacks would still apply a stun debuff that ignored Tenacity instead of Airborne (which was introduced in preparation for Yasuo R in late 2013), I'd guess the latter to be correct.

No because this bug involves not getting flash as a summoner spell.

okay hear me out as well, you could ghost tp on nasus without those runes just like most nasus mains play it.

Okay here me out too. You can run spellbook Nasus and run the strat except you can still use flash

What was the music g

dude could have pressed "delete" instead of editing. Goes to show how much attention one is graving.

@@lachyj8344 it's in the description of the video

Time Warp Tonic is dead since ene of season 11, corrupting potion removal made the rune even worse

udyr top will have some more cookies with this ig

Lux, Ahri kind of champs who needs both biscuit and appreciates the elixirs but i guess you meant the chars without flash…

Not as game breaking, but yeah nonetheless, a riot moment.