This is something I’ve just been thinking about as I consider doing open track days in my stock street car. I’d like to use a low grip tire to reduce the wear on my car, but I’ve heard of some street tires not being up to the task of track use without tread separations and overheating. I’d like to even go to all season levels of grip, but those are certainly not typically track rated. I also wonder about response/feedback/manners.
Wet performance more important then dry performance? Most west European users drive more in dry then wet circumstances, from Italy to Norway, from England to Poland. Wet is very important but % of time is more dry then wet. What I mostly miss in this test is Goodyear. Hankook and Nokian were also pretty good as far as I remember. 2 years ago I choose the CrossClimate+ (CC2 not available in 14") because of the high summer time (dry) performance. All seasons are used in the hot summer but it's good to have better snow traction in case that ever happens in your country, which is not so much in west-Europe (except scandinavia) anymore. Summer performance is most important, but it's good to have better traction then a summer tire in the winter. In that matter, can't wait to see the CrossClimate 3 haha. Interesting results, thanks for making these awesome video's. Still so much detail, highly appreciated! Well done and see you next time!
I don’t have experience with the new Nokian R5 but I have used Nokian R3 SUV. Despite have excellent snow and ice traction, I find that the tread wear out fast when driven aggressively. Also I find the dry handling to be squishy. Wet handling was good as long as it is not pushed too hard. Having said that, I have chosen Michelin X-Ice snow as my next tire to try. So far I find the snow and ice handling to be very good but not as good as the Nokian when driven hard. Wet and Dry handling on the other hand is better with the Michelin. I also find the Michelin much quieter. The treadwear seems to be better as well. For that reason, I will be fitting my 2nd vehicle with Michelin X-Ice Snow as well. I find that it is a well balanced tire that check off all the boxes for me.
Really feel like changing wheels and front tyre size invalidates this test, it is impossible to know how much of the time gain was from the different tyre and how much of it was from lighter wheels and wider fronts
What load range did you use for the Michelin Defender LTX M/S? Will the load range affect its performances? I know that standard load and XL load rides softer than 10ply E rated tires. THANKS
Great video. Please could you iron out some conflicting information. The ASC2's win this group test, rated better than the CC2's. However, on your website, there is a comparison where you put the ASC2's against the CC2's, with the CC2's coming out on top. The two test contradict each other?
The Mihlchelin may have been faster due to the bigger/tallerwheel setup. Rolling diameter and more weight may have played a role in how the traction control system allowed more acceleration at certain points. I think you're right about the drag and rolling resistance from the stickier Bridgestone too. Thanks for this video.
Too many variable are different to provide an accurate comparison. Aside from the tire type, diameter and width were different which impacts the results.
I have to shout out the Pilot 4S's. Have them on my GT350 and they have been amazing. Coming from summer tires only on my S2000, these last so much longer, have awesome traction in the rain, and are even fairly puncture resistant compared to summer tires. Cannot recommend 4S's enough, even on a higher HP sport car, summer tires are good if you only track the car and don't drive in the rain. Hot boi has many downsides
I had PS4S on my F87 M2, even with some camber plates... they still only last 3-4 laps before the compound melts and really falls off pace. Switching to a square setup with a more heat-tolerant compound is vital to enjoying lapping days.
What you don’t address is that the new Pilot Sport 4S despite its performance characteristics mentioned in your video is abysmal in it’s durability. In regular everyday street use on my E39 M5, the rear drive tires wore completely bald in around 5,000 miles. I returned to the tire shop to replace them under pro rated warranty and the new replacements are almost shot again at around 4,000 miles. Two new rear sets of PS4 all seasons trashed in less than a year and around 10,000 total miles. Totally unacceptable wear for such an expensive tire. The fronts, mounted at the same time as the first rears, have outlived the two rear sets and look like they’re good for another 5,000 miles before replacement. 15,000 mile fronts and 5,000 mile rears aren’t my idea of acceptable durability in premium rubber. The previous PS all season 3’s wore out front and rear, at around 15-20,000 miles. I’m considering changing to Pirelli PZero’s or Continental extreme Contact for my next tires.
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hey, I would like to buy new tire for my car so I have now Michelin Primacy 3 summer tire , I hesitate to take the same tire primacy 3 or primacy 4 plus. which one would you advice me please . thanks
Not always true. Toyota Corolla hybrid I have has Bridgestone EP150 OE. These last 30k, are quiet and grip well dry or wet. Tried switching to Michelin and found no change.
I bought Pirelli, they missed the 1st place only because of wear. It was not mentioned, for the size 205/55/16 they are the only ones with rim protection
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Standing water, Michelin, if you can get heat into the Bridgestone on a damp day there's a chance it would be faster but I think michelin would be the safer option
I have a set of Bridgestone Potenza RE-71RS on my Abarth 595. It's little more than a Go Kart at 995kg, but it does have 300hp through the front wheels, which causes traction issues. These tyres are night and day compared to the stock Michelin's and the Bridgestone RE003's.
