I suggest getting your wits about yourself. Not all 4.0 are the same. There is a bolt inside rear head alongside chain that will not let lower sprocket and chain out. The balancer has another possible balancing option. At opposite end from gear there is a hole in the balancer shaft. This hole lines up with thru hole on mounting bracket at same end. Two holes at that end line up and at gear end a single dot is your marker. This is where 7:1 turn ratio comes into play. Lock this baby down. Find top dead center and lock everything, lock the flywheel. You will need much patience.
The cam shaft holding tools, may not be "required" when doing this on a stand. You will be dam glad you have them when doing this under the hood. Without them it is a fight.
Got my timing chains on everything was aligned perfectly, I spun engine a few times by hand, everything is still in time but the chain marks on cams and crank are now off. What's my issue??
The chain marks will only align during the installation. That reference is lost once you start rotating. The chain marks will eventually realign, but it may take hundreds of rotations to achieve it.
@@Cloyes01 omg thank you so much, I already reinstalled the again and same thing. I really really appreciate you! And by the way I am using cloyes part #9-0511S! So once again thanks for the parts and knowledge!
Purchased your kit and it referred me to this video. It came with the updated guide for upper right side. I received two new bolts but they're too long. ?? this video doesn't fully explain how to your parts.
and the updated guide is thicker. Reusing the old bolts doesn't allow the bolts to extend into the head for proper torque. One old bolt doesn't reach at all which is obvious why cloyes gives new bolts but the other side prevents 6mm of the bolt to be used.
Can I change the timing chain without removing phasers and having a cam locking tool? I have it at tdc right now but haven't removed the chain because I don't want the cams to jump of timing but it seems they stayed in place in your video??
You will need to remove the exhaust phasers on each bank to replace the chains. The intake phasers can be left on. The cams may move some when the chains are removed, but not if you have the cam locking tools installed.
@@Cloyes01 understood, but what's the use of the cam holders if both exhaust phasers have to be removed to do the timing chain? Nothing to hold onto if it's just one cam left on each bank. These are genuine questions and I really appreciate you taking the time to respond!
@@Cloyes01 for example, this guy doesn't remove the phasers but does have the cam locks installed, what's the difference of how you done it and how he does it? Shouldn't I be able to combine the procedures from both videos to be able to get this done? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3d7gcENNO5Y.htmlsi=EzbWHB5m_qcsrunh
Hi there, thanks for reaching out. If you will please give our Technical Support team a call, they'd be happy to help you with this. 479-646-1662 ext. 228
Concerning the timing chain and the three designated color links, do the links have to match up right up the middle of the 11, 1, 4 o’clock indentions or is ok to off by 1/2 a link?
@Cloyes01 I just had one of these arrive and the boxes say made in china while your website says manufactured in the Paris, Arkansas factory in USA.. which is it?
Both. We manufacture many components in Arkansas, but also source globally from strategic partners. The label on the box will represent where the majority of the cost of the kit is manufactured. If you ever have questions about where individual components are manufactured you can contact our tech support line @ 479-646-1662.
Wow this video made it look so easy , ive seen over 20 videos on how to properly get the timing marks intact , below 👇 i saw some comments regsrding rotating the crank just to be sure u have no interference and i actually have to agree 👍 on that thanks guys 😅
Thanks for your feedback! If you browse our videos on here you can see all of our technical content. Reach out if you'd like for us to cover anything specific!
I have a question. I am doing timing chain on a 3.7 does piston number one needs to be up cause the timing chain is jumped over. Before taking apart, I cannot get the marks to line up.
When you position the crankshaft sprocket mark at 4 o'clock you are putting the cylinders in the correct position for timing. If the marks will not all position correctly at the same time, focus on getting the crank at 4 with the camshafts as close as possible before you teardown.
Good stuff brother. Not a fan of using an impact on the oil valves. But concise, and well explained. The community needs more videos on this. Sick and tired of the lifters and rockers is all you need mentality. I had to replace the entire chain drive, one phaser, two cams, and I replaced all 4 oil control valves on my Ram C/V. Has 140k on the clock. I had the tick, but also had a wicked cold start rattle. Main culprit was a tensioner, but I did have a wonky phaser on its last leg.
The marked chain links are the most important thing to pay attention to. They must be aligned to the sprocket marks for the engine to be in time. The positions of the sprocket timing marks (11, 1, & 4 o'clock) are just the recommended starting positions that will help the chain installation process.
I buy the timing set from rockauto cloyes brand .why they sent 2 sets of vc107 exgust vvt spocket. Suppose must inlet vvt spocket and exgust spocket.i removed from my customer car spocket Inlet and exgust spocket. The are 2 different spocket. What I order they sent 2 spocket for exgust.can this vvt spocket used for 2 different cam?please advise me
Why advise DIY folks they don't need cam lock tool? It's totally necessary even in a professional setting. And a psa for everyone use only motorcraft phasers.
We recommend tools when they are absolutely necessary. Most modern engines, like this one, rely on the timing chains to set timing. Precise static shaft location is not critical, you still must align your chain and sprocket marks. Cam lock tools can make a job marginally easier, but they are not necessary for a professional installation.
Some applications will use a unique intake phaser, Cloyes # VC106 which is marked as the intake phaser. In those apps the VC107 will be the exhaust phaser. In other applications GM used the same phaser on both banks. These apps use two of the VC107 phasers, one on the intake camshaft and one on the exhaust cam. So the VC107 will not be marked with "exhaust" or "intake" because it is used on both cams in some vehicles.
Do not use a punch and go thru that spot in the camshaft pulse plate to get the phasers off, the bolts for the phasers are usually tight asf and you’ll just snap the key way off. Literally am losing on a job cause I did it the way these guys did it. Use a wrench in the camshaft as leverage to break the phaser bolts loose. Simple as that. Save urself the trouble from me learning the hard way
My business partner is doing the timing chain water pump and everything on a Nissan 2004 and we appreciate your heads up on the information you gave us thank you
Cloyes timing chains are garbage. My wife called me today and said her 2013 F-150 EcoBoost quit running while it was sitting there idling in the driveway. I went out and took a look at it, the engine cranked but had no compression. Pulled the valve covers off and found the primary timing chain missing on the driver bank and off the sprocket on the passenger bank. I was able to pull the chain out of the engine through the top because it was broken. One of the links had failed and upon further inspection, I found about half the links had a very concerning amount of play in them, and the other half were tight. I just replaced all the timing components on this engine 16 months / 10,000 miles ago, along with a Melling high volume oil pump. The chain showed no signs of lack of lubrication or damage from a foreign object. That engine ran beautifully and now it is ruined. And of course, Cloyes will not cover the cost of any parts or repairs other than the cost of their garbage chain. I will never, ever buy another Cloyes product.
Well! very nice. Your review is good to read. it sucks for your girl's car. I don't think all of them are bad? And what if they wont't cover your cost. I won't stick them to the wall like that. It's Okay to be pist off and BE NICE... But HEY what do I know. I will just keep it moving. Take Care.
Does the limited lifetime warranty cover catastrophic engine failure for a failed timing component? ASE mechanic and am looking at doing this job on my own vehicle, cloyes kit is very nice but i would like to be sure of the warranty before i purchase one
Your warranty is cover by the vendor that you purchase the components from. Most major parts stores offer the lifetime warranty along with labor claim programs that will help pay for damages if the parts are found to be at fault. Check with your vendor to see what kind of coverage they offer and if you would qualify to file a labor claim if necessary.
We keep it around for bolt failure testing. It gives you a visual indication of torque applied during rotation, which comes in handy for us. Would not be our recommendation for everyday work. Always use a quality torque wrench.
