Regarding the AFR being leaner than normal. I bet if you pulled the intercooler off the car it would need probably a 3.4 and what sensor does the FT use ?
Ft can use Bosch or ntk but the majority have Bosch. I've found more recently that all ft stuff I've messed with has wanted to be leaner than holley on methanol. Similar combos non intercooled are happy in the high 3s. So little richer for sure.
Tuning, converter, and combo are huge in that aspect. This one has half inch studs and ls9 gaskets and believe they do some extra work to the head as well. Kraken Race Supply would be the place to go to get these same heads setup like this. He has ran the combo at over 50psi on track.
On the N/A BBC bracket cars we switched to methanol, they ran very well and were very consistent. The downside was that methanol seems to be hard on fuel pumps (electric) and injectors. Never had an issue with fuel pumps or injectors on E85. Excellent Video. Thanks.
Yes sir gotta keep up on the maintenance more for sure but it's got some good upsides too. I stay on top of injector cleaning and don't let them sit. And I run mechanical pumps.
meth will always be leaner with a intercooler, your not having to use the fuel to cool the air charge as much. also fuel stays coolor and coolor fuel = power.
Yes sir, I expected it to want leaner. Just didn't expect as lean as we saw and didn't expect it to kill so much power when it was rich. Didn't previously have as much gains from afr changes on methanol.
Thanks for showing the results. Looks like the engine wakes up around 4400 rpm now. You were fortunate to find that temperature fault on the dyno rather than having to find it at the track. I like seeing the intercooler staying there , to me it means someone is genuinely serious about forcing as much air & fuel as possible into an engine. How much below ambient were the air intake temps ? <roughly> Help Save the Fairy Lineup Princess & Racecar cleaner.
@@SquirrelTuned Some additional thoughts. The combustion stability of methanol increases with increasing injection mass. <---may explain the want/need to be run leaner at peak RPM. I'm looking at the intercooler & thinking you could fit 2 x 200 watt arrays of Peltier Cooler's on top of that. China will supply you cheap parts/kits to build , I use a high quality thermal transfer paste to mount them , cooling the hotside close to the radiator may be difficult but not impossible. They will drop the intake temps substantially when running. Alternator capacity may need to be increased. If you use electronic shooting ear muffs around the dyno 2 people can have a conversation around open headers under load at ~6000 RPM. Comes in real handy to hear mechanical noises , spark leads shorting to earth & other stuff you normally miss in a noisy environment.
Terminator X is not designed to work with Methanol. The wideband that comes with them is not able to read rich enough unfortunately. I will keep the idea in mind though!
Was gonna say 4.0 and even leaner are some of the methanol targets i've seen for intercooled meth cars. ESP. if the IC is super efficient. What is the typical percent of added VE table going from say E85 tune to a methanol tune that you use? How much more fuel was needed on this setup over E85 in total percent wise?
Excellent comparison, just what I’ve been wanting to see for a long time. What are the engine specs? cubic inches, compression, camshaft, lifters, and injector size Thanks, best information I’ve seen. 👍👍
It is a stock bore and stroke 5.3, 325ci. Believe 10.5:1 on compression, custom BTR cam, johnson linkbar lifters, 16 210lb injectors on m1 and only 8 on e85. Thanks!
I think dynos with torque converter cars can cause it to appear to fall off at high rpm when the engine isn't actually making less power. Back pressure was still 1-1 and he's made over 50psi on the track before and since this dyno. Torque converters multiply torque and they do that more when slip is the highest, so as rpm climbs and the slip drops, the tq multiplication goes away as well.
@@SquirrelTunedalmost makes you wonder if Steven snuck in some 4.125 liners with a 4" arm. Lol, but seriously those little engines can make some steam, seems like i see folks doing more with it than the larger siblings.
The next step on the fuel tier list would be M5. Not quite the same amount of latent heat of vaporization of M1, due to the other additives but, the significant additional fuel quantity required over M1 makes up for the cooling difference….it’s quite a bit more expensive than M1 tho.
Yeah I like how cheap the m1 is. And haven't had a need for m5 yet but I would be curious to try it as well as m1 and nitro mixes but i think that's asking for problems especially on some weak little ls motors lol.
Great info! Do you feel that methanol can go farther regardless of whether or not you're maxing the turbos? Like, does it run out of turbine earlier on methanol is what I mean?
In my experience methanol still goes further in turbo limited situations. I'm not sure on why exactly. You would think more fuel and exhaust volume could hurt turbine efficiency, but all my fastest turbo limited stuff has been on methanol. Also if you look at class rules with turbo size limits. Methanol has to be heavier than intercooled race gas or ethanol.
I believe he played with timing some the next day as well and it didn't make much power difference. Which was surprising to me, that he was able to run the same timing on e85 mostly. I'm usually more conservative on e85.
@@lukk4273 I think it would make less power without the intercooler because the cooler air is more dense. I don't believe that could be made up for with fuel changes personally. I think if the intercooler was enough of a restriction, it may make more without it even though the air would be hotter. But this one based off before and after pressure being within 1-2psi does not seem to be too restrictive.
Very cool results. Its interesting to see the gains from switching to M1 . I wonder what the difference would be if it was an air to water intercooler. Thanks for sharing this. I hope everything goes well for Steven's daughter and her surgery.
I think we would see similar results with an air to water. However I would be curious if you'd begin to have issues if the air temps got too low using ice as well with the methanol. Thanks for watching and supporting!
Hello guys,im interested in the intercooler. What size is it.the height,and how well it works.I bought an on 3 performance that has a 10 inch core. I haven't installed it yet.
This was very informative. What do you attribute the extra power to when using the methanol? Is it the 2 oxygen molecule vs 1 in ethanol? Is it the stoich value of methanol requiring richer afr ? Etc and lastly from your experience if you should mix E98 and methanol 50/50 what would be the target lambda ?
@davidreed6070 I have not since earlier this year with my personal car. He is not 100% sure on the intercooler. But said it is roughly 12x24 and 4in thick.
@delano5214 Honestly I have not done enough research on it to give a good answer to that question. My answer would be guessing. I would bet high performance academy has a video going into more detail on something like that. And I have no experience with a ethanol/methanol mix. However if I were to start with a combo like that I would target closer to what I normally do with methanol to start, then see how it reacts and work my way leaner if that is what it wants.
When a 5.slo coyote hits 7's with a sleeved block, and enough boost to quadruple the atmospheric displacement. Theyre all 🏳️🌈💩 🎉, and talking shit about how much better coyote are than an LS. When they're doing now (with more modifications) what people have been doing with GM truck engines for years.
damn, a 1.0 60 is insane. Everyone I run with is building some form of turbo car. I watch fast ones, and think what a learning curve its gonna be. trying to go from 7s to low 5s high 4s in 8th is gonna be a huge jump.
I've noticed all the really good No prep guys launch really softly for the first 20th of a second how do you achieve that? Are you pulling ignition timing for a little bit?
