What happened with recoil happened naturally. When I press the trigger slowly I don’t know when the gun will fire exactly . This one has much more recoil than any 300 rum I’ve ever done:)
I can hear to say this. Clearly lifting the rifle after it recoiled. I was hoping you were just trying to be funny but judging by your reply here I’d say no. That was a straight up act dude, you can clearly see yourself lifting up the rifle AFTER it actually recoiled. What a tool.
@@Pew_pewchronicles I jumped in here to say the same thing...... @elevationrifles I don't agree with a lot of the stuff you say in your videos, but I follow you because there is something to be learned everywhere and I have taken some positive things from your videos, but that over dramatic, poorly executed recoil was embarrassing, bro. You spoke out of both sides of your mouth in your opening comments. This is coming from a long time precision shooter/competitor, long range hunter, professional ammo manufacturer..... do better.
I find it annoying when people try to impose their personal ethics upon others and are judgemental about it. The finer details of hunting ethics is a very personal thing and out in the bush regulation comes in the form of self regulation. I agree with your comments that ethical range is highly variable and depends on each individuals training, experience, gear, and technique. Your argument is compelling and well illustrated. Instability does introduce error at any distance. Distance does introduce risks that are less significant at shorter ranges. And buck fever ruins everything gosh darn it! Though it can be irritating to observe people pointing their bony fingers at each other over range ethics in comment sections, I think it is a good sign that a majority of hunters do have a moral compass and do consider ethical practice to be an important part of their hunting experience. Dialogue on the subject is all good even if it is a little cranky at times. Cheers!
Long range hunting requires a hunter to absolutely prove out and validate their ballistic data and practice those shots beforehand. It also requires an accurate rifle and ammunition as stated in the video.
Great comparison. What was the additional movement of your head and gun upward after the recoil? It didn’t look right at normal speed and looked even more odd at .25 speed.
It would be interesting to see what the 30-06 could have done prone or from the bench at 200 yards. The group sizes may have been similar from that range as well.
Lol iv been watching your videos after you came out with the backfire challenge looked your shop up and your like 20 min from me (mercer). Small world lol
Ok, first, thank you for the video. This video demonstrates exactly what I have argued many times before. If you stalk in too close, you risk bumping your game and are forced to take a quick shot with what ever rest is available to you, or no rest at all. I’m definitely not advocating that everyone become a long range hunter, but for those who have put in the time, money and have the ability, longer shots can be done with confidence. I have yet to take an 800 yard shot on elk, but I’m confident that I can if conditions are right and I can’t get closer.
At my home range I see two very distinct types of shooters. The 'younger' crowd that basically is there to turn money into noise (it's always the ammo or gun's fault they shoot like crap) and the old heads that are methodical, paced and with purpose. Obvisously, the 'get closer' crowd has never hunted western states where 350 yards and beyond IS close. Thanks for bringing us along!
I mean yea a muzzle brake does reduce recoil. I do feel like it was a bit oversell, but either way I enjoyed the video. I love practicing further ranges. also why I purchased a really nice Bergara 300 win mag just for long range accuracy
I call bullshit on the 30-06 recoil! You make some valid points,but you really sell the '06 short. Also ,not a blade lf grass could be seen moving! Long range is math except for the wind.That's where the big problem comes in for long range shots on game.When it's calm and you and your equipment is capable, then go for it if you want.But I'd much rather hand you a 30-30 witha 2.5 x scope and tell you to get in close and earn your shot! I love long range shooting,but it's for snipers and steel targets not animals that may be just wounded.BTW,if you are capable at 800 yards,so is the 30-06! Good shooting.😊
The 30-06 must be shooting tank rounds for that "recoil". I do like your videos and get the point you are making, but that was some big exaggeration lol
An ethical shot,good shot placement puts meat in the freezer.The ethical is subjective as to distance, terrain and weather.Good shot placement is via practice and precision,without one or the other, meat in the freezer is hard to come by. Keep up the good work, as an old guy who has hunted for 60 years it is refreshing to see a fellow from your generation taking part in our mutual endeavor. Canada has some great hunting opportunities, come on up and enjoy.
It’s not about group size, it’s about time of flight. TOF for 7 PRC to 816 yards is about 1 second. .30-06 to 200 yards is under 1/4 second. A game animal can cover a lot of ground in one second. Even one step could be enough to turn a money shot into a long night following a blood trail.
30-06 isn't the best round for long range, but the "sniper style" 7 Prc loaded with the same weight projo is in the same ball park as the 06 ballistically ? Is the 7 Prc more economical because it burns less powder than the 06, Yes. Is it more accurate at long range with custom handloads fired out of a sniper style rifle, No.
My number with the 7prc vs an 06 . An 06 with a 185 gn bullet will drop 30 Moa and drift approximately 80 inches in a 10 mph wind . A 7 prc with a 175 will drop approximately 24 Moa and drift 55 inches .
@@elevationrifles If you compare factory loaded rounds in the same weight range the numbers aren't that far apart, especially using projos with close G1 and velocity. 06 also feeds better and has hardly any recoil.(Sorry, couldn't resist :~) The 06 has ammo availability and cost in it's favor. The 7SAUM has it's place, but it's far from superior to the 06. I enjoy watching your videos, but will agree to disagree.
Great video. It's refreshing listening to you because you sound so clear and your ideas and thoughts are well articulated. No "ums" and "ahs" as you gather your thoughts.
I was luck to have found Elevation Rifles and Matt with his wonderful invention the Bottle Rest. I live in England, yes it is expensive to have the Bottle Rest shipped to the UK, but it is worth every penny because it works. I am of the age were I know when I have carried half a beach bag full of sand to the firing point. Now I have the Bottle Rest in my range bag and don't notice the weight of the Bottle Rest. Quit complaining of the expense of shipping, if you want the best then pay for it. You spend a load of money on your rifle and associate gear just think how much accuracy is worth to you, then pay for it. If you want get some buddies to share the cost of shipping with them.
One thing I don’t see here is any mention of bullets at a giving distance. I am not an expert but not all bullets will expand correctly once they fall below a given velocity. This means out at long distances the velocity falls down to a point that the bullet wont expand and do it’s job to create a kill shot but only a wound or a prolonged agonizing death. This is also a part of the ethical hunt. Clean kills. Whenever I hear the word judge or judgment it’s usually coming from someone doing something questionable. My opinion is worth what you’re paying for it but there’s to me there’s hunting and then there’s shooting. I feel it’s important and that we owe it to the animals we pursue to make clean one shot kills. If you can do that at 800 bravo, not many can. Some is the limitations of the equipment, some is buck fever and some is just trying to do something we’re not really able to do. Shooting from a bench at steel is one thing, in the field over a log or prone on the ground at an animal that is unpredictable at to how long it will be in a given place etc. is totally another. Happy hunting all.
Your bagged up long range shooting was pretty good. But holyjeepers never seen anyone fake recoil before. As a guy who hunts an uncompensated, 06' that's sub 7.5lbs with scope, sling and bipod attached, and regularly shoots 180's that was just the weirdest thing I've ever seen. Also this NRA fuddlore squeeze slowly, don't ever know when the rifles going off nonsense needs to die. It is a technique that literally only works bagged to the max on static targets. If you're going to be shooting offhand you need to know when your gun is going off so it fires when it's aimed at your target, not somewhere adjacent to it. You can shoot good groups without a bunch of gear, but you need to be practicing trigger control, i.e. controlling when the gun goes off without pulling the shot. The gear and the 20 sec trigger squeeze may let you skip some fundamentals, but they won't replace them.
I do cold bore all the time and seldom see any difference in impact. The miss most times would be from an incorrect wind call. I did a whole one shot series about that if u have not seen.
You may not think so, but the second muzzle lift is all you. Playing it in .25x You can clearly see the recoil into your shoulder, the muzzle rises 2-3", comes down, then almost a full second later the muzzle rises over a foot. It's not possible for the recoil of the cartridge going off to raise the muzzle twice. The most charitable explanation is that you were off balance three times in a row and about fell backwards, which would cause you to lift your right arm as you go backwards. It doesn't look like you were that off balance, but... charitable explanation.
What I see on your website is a factory seekins PH2 with average quality Vortex glass, rings, a brake and a case and about $2k in added fees. Also, long range hunting requires ethics very similar to bowhunting. Not everyone can shoot a bow accurately at 80yds and therefore shouldn't. If you're going to take shots at long ranges you should know your capabilities out to those ranges and not exceed them. I can ring steel at a grand pretty regularly but I'm not going to engage an animal at that range.
I get the jest of the video. However, the over zealous act of the recoil of the 30-06 is comical. I started shooting the old 30-06 when I was 12 years old. That is what I grew up with. Now days, I'd rather shoot my 6.5 Creedmoor Tikka CTR, if shooting long range. Bigger cartridges work fine for long range, if you can handle them, or they are set up optimally. Don't lose subscribers because you are over dramatizing situations. The reason I started watching your videos is because you keep it fairly honest and simple. Explaining things well, and proving your point. I can't stand that idiot backfire, and your first videos kind of called that idiot out. He thinks a moa rifle is a myth, why he has any subscribers is beyond me. Don't be that guy, or you may lose some subscribers. Those that know from experience choose who to watch. As with any of these videos and channels, prove to me what you say is true, and I'll subscribe to your channel. Start feeding me bullcrap, and I'm walking.
I get why u think I might exaggerated recoil but I in no way tried to add a single thing it happened naturally and that’s why I did it the Same every time. I press the trigger slowly and it surprises me when it goes off.
@@elevationrifles Nice. Thank you. Velocity? I tried H1000 with 180 Berger VLDs in 3 of my 7PRCs and got mediocre speeds compared to Retumbo. I need to try VVN570, 568, 565, and LRT again. Can't remember my speed but my 7PRC with a 25" #5 Brux 8 twist put shot after shot into one hole with 180 Berger VLDs and LRT powder - somewhere around 77-78 grains if I recall correctly.
No acting go watch my video that I did in response to this. Also I wouldn’t use the only name that saves your soul as a swear word. Thanks for the comment.
Im pretty sure what the exaggerated movement is him staying in the shot until after the gun goes off then picking up the rifle. It is funny looking but I think he is just staying in the shot so to speak.
If you are setup and capable of shooting game at 800 yards , go for it .If you are setup old school and shoot closer hunting ranges , shoot at closer hunting ranges . What fucking difference does it make , quit bitching and do what makes you happy, nobody lives forever.
The problems with long range hunting involve people using inappropriate calibers that don't transfer enough energy at such ranges, bullet flight time that allows for animal movement, and guess work with wind in 'real' hunting scenarios. There are enough !@#$shows posted on youtube that people apparently feel are ethical to indicate it 'is' a problem. The othe problem I have is picking off a cagey mountain muley at 800 yards, after spotting him with crazy effective optics, just takes all his experience at outwitting a hunter out of the picture. It may be cool for whitetails on a field that are plentiful, but game out west is having a hard time. I feel for the big old bucks that are getting sniped. What chance did he have?
Then you are inexperienced pilgrim. I have practiced off-hand significantly more than a BENCH REST. for more than half a century. I have plenty of one shot kills "off hand" at yardages from point blank to near 300 yards. More than can remember. A "perfect" rest is great but they way i choose to hunt it just can't work. Can't carry a bench for miles through the brush. And yes.....the exaggerated kick on the 06 was pretty sad. You can clearly see the actual recoil and it doesn't look bad at all. No disrespect meant really. Keep trying. Your a pretty good shot.
Hunting is not being a Sniper. You should try to be as ethical as possible under the circumstances. Animals move and are not stagnant targets. Before shooting you should be stable, as close as possible and using a consistently accurate weapon for the ranges you are shooting. Unless you have the external variable perfectly mapped out 800 yards is farther then most people could hit 50/50 times, so I do believe it is un wise and not exactly ethical lol. Too many variables at those ranges for hunting under most circumstances.
I get the point youre trying to make but if you go around faking recoil your group size is probably faked aswell. Even if I could shoot a 1" group at 800yards I would still get closer. Animals is not a steel plate they move.
Listen Apples to Oranges ..... Different rifles shoot different , different ammo shoots different. You dont need to explain your self. Do you homie. Good video bad acting though lol
Video just started. Based on the title, there's no difference in outcome on game. Dead, tag filled, jerky, roasts, steaks, snack stix, summer sausage on the way! I have four 30-06s and four 7PRCs. I am going to rebarrel one of the Tikka 30-06s to a 280AI
Actual clown shit, i dont disagree with the premise of the video but traditional marksmanship must be dead and rifles dont recoil up 1/2 a second after the shot breaks. Fishing for views.
In no way did I try to exaggerate recoil . I get why people are saying I did but the truth is when I slowly press the trigger it surprises me when it fires and that’s just what happened in this position for me. Thats why it looked the same all three shots.
Its so sad to see the stupidity on the coments if you all cant shoot ethical at extended range keep baiting in what you shoot and dont be jealous of someone that can out shoot you and your beer drinking buddies trying to hunt with a big ole hang over. So please dont try what he can do and you wont learn and practice to improve.
While I appreciate the comparison you are attempting to draw against a precision rifle 7 prc shooting long (816 yards) vs a standard hunting rifle 3006 at 200 yards off a tree.... your testing is FLAUD! Since when can you in a hunting situation shoot off a rested bench??? Get real. You should have gone prone or shot off a tripod for a realistic comparison. Do it over.....and see how those groups perform.
I said something about this in the video, my prone and my bench shooting is no different. I actually have a few videos I did earlier proving that . It was in the jug challenge videos . I actually hit more prone than from the bench go watch em.
The only thing you've proven is anyone can shoot off a bench at distance. Shooting game at distance isn't something you should be trying to prove to your viewers whom most have no business taking that kind of shot. Secondly you mentioned the grass being too high well "poor baby" that's a realistic condition in the field. Lastly show your 3006 some love. You handled that recoil like you never shot it before which is likely the cause for the poor groups for being inexperienced with your weapon.
Really? Worst acting I've seen in ages. Sorry, but after such a terrible acting job and everything else in this video, im unsubscribing from this channel
You are missing a ton of factors in long range shooting. Adrenaline, fatigue, breathing, heart rate, wind calls, shifting wind, angles, bullet flight time, an animal that can move a half step at any time and other variations have an effect on your accuracy. Wind and the animal moving are gonna cause more wounded animals than anything. I could care less how accurate you can be on a bench at 800. I can hit 10 inch steel at 900 with a 16" 308 all day... on a range with a spotter and wind meter. You send anyone, myself included, on a 5-mile hike, put a trophy animal in front of them and i guarantee 80 percent or more won't hit that 10 inch circle on the first shot at 900 with mild variable winds. I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm saying there's too many uncontrollable variables to claim 800 yard shots on animals is ethical. It's an extreme risk unless you have nearly zero wind and have a shooting position just like you do at the range. This can happen, but it's not often.
