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Finally, someone does a review of this bike on a serious climb. Appreciated. I live in Kona on The Big Island of Hawaii and the moment you turn mauka away from the ocean you're climbing. I have some steep climbs on my rides similar to what you show. I probably wouldn't use the power assist on the flat and rolling hills. I currently ride my old heavy Cannondale 6 up those climbs and it weighs 42 lbs with the added junk/racks I have on it. Sometimes I haul camera gear and other essentials to volcanic eruptions on a bike. Bike and hike situations. Then it tops out at around 52 lbs not including my backpack but no serious climbs like where you went. I would probably get their optional suspension seat post. I'm older and my butt and back would appreciate it.
Great review Tom! I've seen online people complained about the throttle having some dead zone the first 1/4 of the twist and the acceleration being jerky and not as gradual/smooth as they hoped, did you experience any of these issues?
Hello! Thank you! So acceleration is a bit jerky out of the box because sport mode is basically at max acceleration settings. Dialing it down to standard acceleration in the app fixes the jerkiness. You can drop it to chill mode for even more gradual acceleration. The twist throttle feels alright. At about 10% twist the motor activates for riding around at 5mph or so. Twist more and the motor kicks in stronger.
Thank you! I used the settings this gentleman recommends. It’s not perfect but it’s light years better than the hot garbage I was recording at night before making the changes haha. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--Aq-8NUv6I8.htmlsi=uDvB8cn0mROb1A2a
Im between the punk rider pro, mantis v2, inokin oxo, and apollo go for the price. Which would be your choice for city riding? mantis v2 is very much on sale right now
Hey! So I can’t speak to the Mantis V2 or the OXO, but both the Punk Rider Pro and the GO are zippy scooters that get up to speed quickly. The main advantage of the GO is its lighter weight and powerful front lights, but it gets less range and has a lower top speed than the Punk Rider Pro. Really depends on how important weight and portability are for you relative to speed and range. The Mantis V2 looks like it gives you more power and speed but less water resistance.
Wow, I just bought the fiido beast but I’m having a problem because it came scratched up. The company wants to give me $500 off. I told him I would accept it for 500 bucks. It’s not that bad but now I see this and now I’m upset I could’ve used the extra $500 towards this. This is beautiful.👍🏽
I do plan on putting PMT tires on the Leopard as well. I will check out the Leopard’s setup to see how similar it is to the Gallop and get back to you later today.
So I took a look at the Leopard. The rear wheel uses the same split rim setup as the Gallop. So the instructions apply to the Leopard. The only real difference that I can see is no quick disconnect on the Leopard motor. Just want to make sure the scooter is powered off and key removed. You’ll just follow the same steps, except the motor wire will remain connected.
20 minutes once a week, going 5 kmh on a parking lot... Sounds like you are not really interested in learning how to ride an EUC. I am guessing you are still learning if you haven't given up by now. Where are the other EUC videos???
So I actually hopped on the V8S for the first time since April today. Unfortunately, I had a bit of a mishap at 28mph on an electric skateboard back in April which resulted in lots of road rash. Right after that I was out of the country for 3 weeks. So as of today I’m officially back on and plan to record some rides :).
This looks like a good contender for the Apollo City that I was considering. I like the selectable single/double motor mode and significant lighting enhancements. Regen braking looks equivalent to the Apollo. The IPX rating is also great.
So I’ve definitely seen people do that, but I don’t think there’s a plug and play option. There are some RU-vid videos on the topic but I have no experience in that area :(.
Nice introduction review, Tom! From what I've seen, it looks like the fit and finish is above average. It falls into the price and weight territory of the VMAX VX4, this of course having dual motors and 32mph top speed rather than 25mph. I know motor designs are a compromise but I think VMAX went for torque and missed the mark with the top speed on the VX4. Even if the VX4 hit 28-30mph, I'd probably have one. It's great to see the Punk Rider actually achieve the 32mph mark! Something to really consider if it passes your testing measures. I've watched other reviews of this model but frankly, I didn't find many of them very objective. Freshly Charged did a respectable job however. I suspect that with the 936Wh battery, it will likely reach 35mi range at 20mph on mostly flat ground, fingers crossed. You're setting the new standard for scooter reviews, Tom.
Thanks man! I was surprised it hit 32mph as quick as it did. Sometimes scooters struggle to hit the stated max speed or can only do it on a fully charged battery. This one here will hit 32 even with 25% battery remaining. I’ll post the range test tomorrow and one of the hill climb tests likely a couple days later. It’s not without its faults, but so far it’s been a blast to ride.
@@tomsgadgetgarage That's impressive. I don't think any of my scooters will hit top speed on 25% battery. Actually, maybe the GX3 does because it's electronically limited to 38.5mph. I know it does at 50% so I'll have to try it at 25%. In any case, I'll be eager to see the range test as well as its imperfections. I'm looking for a medium range scooter like this for my brother. I don't know if it will be the Punk Rider or a Kukurin G2 Master, or a VX4 but the low speed limit might be a deal breaker on the VMAX. I heard that Voro will be introducing a new version of the Emove Cruiser too. I have no idea if it's a full redesign or an evolution but it's probably due for a full makeover. If it's good, I might get that, then pass the Cruiser S to my bro. It's such a nice riding scooter though, might be hard let go. Thanks for all the time and effort you put into these reviews!
@Patriot36 check this out. Electric Scooter Academy has some info on the new E Move Cruiser ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-k9L8W3zQx4U.htmlsi=PO14BADaNc_8x1qM
Nice review Tom. Is Punk affiliated with Apollo? I realize all escooter companies borrow ideas from one another and such but Punk are really pushing their luck.
Thanks! There’s no affiliation between the two to my knowledge. I’ve also spent an embarrassing amount of time looking at the Apollo Pro and Punk Rider Pro from a design perspective. There are similarities between the two, for example the accent lights and regenerative brake throttle as well as the style of the rear kick plate. The main body of the scooters are shaped differently, as are the neck, head unit, and suspension. Both have a futuristic design compared to nearly all other scooters on the market. I’d say 90% of scooters on the market fall into the category of “seen one, seen them all” from a design perspective. I believe both cater to very different audiences. The Apollo Pro comes with significantly more power and speed as well as premium features and a sleek design, whereas the Punk Rider Pro delivers aesthetics and solid specs (for the price, on paper) at a more accessible price point. I’m hoping to get both side by side in the near future, even though from a performance perspective these two are in completely different leagues.
How is it that they only managed to fit 15000 mAh at 36 V in a thing that big?! One 18650 battery can hold up to 3500 mAh at 3.6 V. So they only managed to squeeze fifty 18650 batteries into the scooter?? My powerbank has 20 of 3500 mAh 3.6 V Samsung cells being about the size of a child's shoe.
Love the vid. Quick question what does removing 6 links from the chain do? Just tightens up the chain? Cause ive noticed mine looks really loose when on 7th gear
Thank you! I had a lot of slack in the chain straight out of the box. Took it in to have it tuned by a local shop and they said the chain was too long and removed six links and adjusted the position of the derailleur. Afterwords shifting was way better.
Did yours come fully charged or charged at all? I put mine together and the screen won’t even turn on when I turn the key and turn it to on, I’m charging it now just hoping it didn’t arrive defective 😅
@@tomsgadgetgarage I just did it lol! I accidentally missed the part in your video where you held it down and rewatched it and it worked! Thank you man i appreciate it a lot
As an ex bicycle racer, I would recommend some type of lubricating powder inside the tire such as talcum powder. It reduces the friction between the tire and tube. The carcass flex of the tire tends to make the tube want to walk around inside the tire causing tube stress.
@@tomsgadgetgarage Don't use baby powder or personal use powder. It doesn't use talc any longer due to health concerns. Go to a bike shop or online and get tire powder.
Wow what a breeze! 🥰 i wish my RS had those kind of rims lol. I still have to swap my tires out for those Self healing ones and ive bee. Dreading doing because of the challenge i had the first time lol. Im more prepared now but it doesnt change that the first time was hard lol 😅
Haha yah I remember that video. Looked like soooo much work. Split rims are a huge blessing, even if I have to use tubes. I’ve even seen posts from Max G2 owners asking if they should just throw their scooter away after hours of fighting tire changes and mangling the rims.
Hello! So the GO has the advantage of a full suspension (front and rear) so it’s more comfortable on bumpy roads. It’s also faster and has exceptionally smooth throttle response. The KQi is also a solid choice. Great throttle response, solid app, very smooth ride, 10.5” tires vs the GO’s 9s, superior range to the GO. Front suspension dampens bumps well. Best Buy does have a deal that expires today that’s hard to beat.
Thank you for your response I couldn’t choose so I ordered the Apollo go and the niu kqi 300p my first scooter never owned one so it will be interesting to see which one I like better it’s so hard to choose niu offers a great warranty but Apollo looks legit too so time will tell thanks again I have enjoyed watching your content .
I am stuck at deciding city or go? What do u suggest? Can you make a detailed video like this on City? I would like to carry it with me in Bus and shopping malls too
The GO is significantly lighter so it’s going to be much easier to transport in buses and trains. It also packs a lot of punch for a sub 50lb scooter. To put it into perspective, I have some larger scooters that I don’t take when running errands because they are just too cumbersome to lug around. I also avoid locking my scooter up anywhere, so it’s basically coming with me in the store. Much easier to do with a smaller scooter like the GO. The Lighting on the GO is also top notch. Nothing quite compares to it. If you’re needing more than 16-20 miles of real world range, the City has the advantage. As for making a video on the City, I’d love to but likely won’t be able to do so for a while. Need to get my hands on one. If it were me needing to lug it around on public transport, I’d take the GO.
I've been doing a ton of research on ebikes the last couple weeks saving up for one to get back and forth to work and the store. I live on a boat. Never used an ebike before but I just ordered this bike this morning.
I’ve been waiting 84 years like older Rose in the Titanic for this new firmware update haha. When it comes out I will definitely be putting it to the test :).
Fine review, thanks. Is it water-resistant? Like say, riding in the rain or going through a puddle... Any apps you recommend for an odometer function as it doesn't appear to have that?
Thank you! So one app I use is called Speedometer. It tracks speed as well as distance travelled. The free version has some ads at the bottom. In terms of water resistance, none of the documentation alludes to any IP rating. I have a question out to the company about it and will let you know as soon as I hear back.
honest answer please. You used a cloud 9 seat and suspension seat post from Amazon, did you choose these because you can monetize by others using your links? The reason I'm asking, is the company offers their "comfort package" which has a suspension post and upgraded seat, curious why not that one? Thanks for your time
Great question! So I bought the Cloud 9 seat because the stock seat was awful for me on long rides. After using the Cloud 9 seat for a while I realized it’s the best seat I’ve ever used on a bike. The suspension seat post also helped a lot because I often ride on trails. I personally haven’t used their comfort package so I can’t speak to it. But what I do know is that it’s a lot more expensive than the Cloud 9 and Zoom suspension seat post.
Yah I had to get something lighter in color for the blazing sun. It’s also 1.5lbs lighter than my O’Neal helmet. Also a huge improvement in aerodynamics. I can feel the difference big time beyond 20mph.
A really nice review as always! I was pleasantly surprised by the lighting set up and the controls. I'm not a big fan of the handlebar engineering or the fact that the suspension spring isn't adjustable, as that could go a long way to maximizing the advantage to that feature.
Thank you! The lighting is definitely a nice touch, especially for catching the attention of car drivers at night who may be daydreaming or watching Netflix while driving haha. Softening up the suspension a bit would be perfect for this scooter. The solid wheels took getting used to but after a few miles you kind of get a feel for it and have an idea of what kind of bumps to avoid.
Nice! I got the Caroma E66 Pro. I still need to do a range test on it but i definitely dont expect much with the 7.8 Amp battery but it is a nice scooter and it looks pretty premium for its price. 😎👊
Yah I was blown away by the 17mi range I was able to get. Pretty impressive for a budget minded scooter. They just need to tame down that button noise haha. Doubles as a horn.
At 53lbs it’s a pretty decent sized scooter. If it were me going on public transport regularly I’d probably go with something a little lighter, maybe the Ninebot F2 Pro if there are no crazy hills.
@@tomsgadgetgarage I'm located in Europe. I think it disappeared on the US website for a while but they added it back. Sadly, it won't be available here in Europe - I sent them an email and they told me that "L20 2.0 is a product targeted for US market, so it will not be available in the EU shop". Still a great bike, will have to search for some similar options then
