The Adagio from Beethoven’s Sonata Pathétique. A real beauty. I linked the tutorial at the end :-)

@@TommysPianoCorner Thank you!

Absolutely. I think with jazz it is perhaps more important than with classical - although in both cases we definitely should listen more :-)

Great. Let me know how you get on :-)

I agree, Yuja Wang plays this exquisitely. I’d love to get a really close view of her hands whilst she plays it. There are places where it is hard to see how she retains such elegance and control - although of course this is probably a ‘sight reading level’ piece for her now. I also need to actively practice it to keep it in my fingers. My favourite way being the 4/4 waltz approach

I don’t use a specific app. Piano practice contains many elements - memorization, physical coordination, musicality etc and so the best way to use spaced repetition likely depends on the task in hand. For example, some skills if practiced for too long at a time can be injurious and so this needs to be taken into account. Different levels of pianism can mean any one person will have different thresholds of concentration etc. I think the basic approach needs to take this kind of thing into consideration at an individual level

I’m delighted you enjoyed them. I have very much enjoyed learning how to record and create the visuals. Satie was indeed a curious figure. He has a surprisingly wide array of compositions - some almost mainstream (his waltz ‘je te veux’ for example) and others way out there :-) Have you tried the other Gnossiennes too? One day, I might try to record them all.

I think you could get away with the MV88+ video kit - however you might want to find an extension cable so that you could place the microphone closer to the instruments and keep the camera a little further away. Another cool option might be the Atem Mini. Basically, it would allow you to plug several microphones and cameras into the device, configure them to your aesthetic and then have a single output of audio/video combined that you can livestream. Atem is one I’m aware of for having seen Josh Wright demonstrate it - there are many other similar devices on the market. So, much really depends on your budget (an Atem type set up would be relatively expensive whereas the MV88+ would be cheap) and equally how much set up you want to do (an atem centric set up would take much more effort to set up and has a big learning curve whereas the MV88+ is pretty much ‘plug and stream’ so to speak. Another consideration is whether or not you’ll have someone on hand to manage/monitor the equipment. If you do, you could change cameras, display titles etc in real time as you stream - could be fun. Perhaps start with the MV88+ and then upgrade later. I suspect there is already enough to think about with just the music and the act of streaming initially without having complex equipment to think about too. Many people livestream just using the inbuilt mic on the phone - although I don’t think I would :-)

Thanks for this well thought through answer!

@@fishermans1friend you’re very welcome. Let me know how you get on. How is it possible to see your livestream?

@@TommysPianoCorner For now it's just going to be for family and friends to see how this all works.

@@fishermans1friend sounds like a great idea - I have often thought about doing something similar :-)

Delighted to hear :-)

I think we often start haphazardly as we try to work out ways to progress more quickly or reliably. As we start to see results, we tend to get more methodical. This has been my experience anyway. Let me know how you get on!

I will, thank you. Lili

I think I use a similar system for some pieces. I think the ‘right’ way to practice a piece very often depends on the piece itself. I showed how I interleaved this particular piece, but for others I would apply the same principle, but execute slightly differently. What you describe makes perfect sense - I’ll definitely see how I might incorporate that into my own practice !

It’s certainly worth a try. My experience has been always go with less than you initially think you can manage. Sometimes, a tricky passage can boil down to a single note - it can be worth just focusing in on that note rather than keep trying to get the entire passage :-)

I‘m learning Jazz Piano which is a completely different thing with almost no sight reading involved. Nevertheless, I have experienced that pausing frequently during a practice session gives better results. Having seen this excellent video, I will now try to practice something different instead of pausing, and see how this turns out. By the way, I‘m also using an App to monitor on which topics I‘m working. It‘s called Toggle Track and it‘s free for what I‘m using it.

@@hungryformusik from what I’ve heard, jazz pianists also spend time working on different tasks so it might be an idea you can incorporate - let me know how you get on :-)

I’m pleased the idea interests you. I tend to work on several pieces at the same time as I practice for around 3 hours most days. I do use this technique with all of my pieces now. If I’m trying to finish a piece for a deadline, then I’ll often interleave it by practising it for 20/25 minutes, move on to some other pieces and then come back to it on the same day. Once you get into the habit, you’ll likely find that you just sort of do it without really thinking about it :-) Let me know how you get on.

I think from the learner’s point of view it can feel like a lot of bother and we often just want a ‘simple hack’ that will do the trick. I think that often (although perhaps not always) complex problems will need a rather more sophisticated solution. Where I find the real value here lies is on limiting the amount of material used so that we can ‘boil water’ so to speak

I’m actually planning to record a tutorial on that prelude in the next few weeks so hopefully that will be available in time for you. Let me know if this ‘interleaving’ approach works for you. I too used to just work methodically (generally from the end forwards), however I find this approach naturally encourages me to devote more time to those parts that need it. It will be interesting to see if it works for you :-)

Thanks. I created my own app in fact. It runs on my iPad.

Delighted to hear it. I hope ie works well for you

You’re very welcome. Let me know if it works for you too :-)

@@TommysPianoCorner yes thank you , have just been practicing one bar that had a big jump, which produced better results, so now I’m going to leave that bit till tomorrow,and see how well ,it has penetrated the black hole in my tiny brain 😀 .

@@homamellersh8446 it always helps me

Absolutely delighted that you found it helpful!

@@TommysPianoCorner Downloaded. Extremely helpful PDF. Thank you!

@@DaleHubbard Thanks. It can sometimes be a little awkward just to rely on a video so I try to create them when I can.

@@TommysPianoCorner Great for the polyrhythms!

@@DaleHubbard it is certainly a great introduction to them. I think the vast majority of us find them a real brain twister at first :-)

Thanks for the suggestion. It is a piece I have yet to learn but as soon as I do I’ll create a tutorial on it :-)

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Yes. Very handy for just positioning the mic on the piano. If I’m doing a ‘serious’ recording, I position it differently - towards the middle of the piano with the lid half open. For that I use a normal photographer’s floor standing tripod.

@@TommysPianoCorner thank you Tommy, very helpful suggestions.

@@TommysPianoCorner mine came with a very short USC C cable, do you know where can I get an extension cable and how is it called?

@@AlexMercadoJazz you might be safest taking the cable you have to a computer store and asking if they have the same thing only longer. If not, they might be able to suggest adaptors etc. that would work with a longer USB-C cable. Personally, I don’t capture audio and video in the same device so I’m able to easily position the microphone without an extension. Combining audio and video later literally takes seconds so it might be worth considering depending on your needs.

Looks like we have a similar story and face similar challenges! Speed was always my nemesis and I avoided dealing with it by simply avoiding anything fast lol. Even something like Turkish March I would avoid as there are a couple of ‘fast’ passages in it! Oddly, I could comfortably play some nocturnes, Clair de Lune, Liebestraum yet wouldn’t even contemplate Turkish March. Since restarting, I have been on a mission to learn to play fast - which is paying off as now I would say I can play fast, just not as consistently as I’d like. For me this is a significant advance lol Good luck with your ongoing roller coaster :-)

My pleasure :-)

You could try ensuring your microphone firmware is up to date. Next ensure you have the most recent version of the MOTIV app downloaded and then fully restart your iPad. By the way, only the MOTIV apps will recognize MV88+ - in any other app it will show as an external mic. Let me know how you get on.

I have exactly the same issue. Just bought a MV88+ at Amazon and it does not recognize the microphone. It is viewed as an external mic. By the way, the Shure Plus Motiv app does not exist in my App Store. Only the Motiv video and Motiv audio app. I have tried everything, rebooting, eliminating the apps, loading them again, etc. nothing works. Any advice?

@@AlexMercadoJazz the apps on both my iPhone and iPad show are Shure MOTIV. Have you tried plugging the microphone into an iPhone using lightening with the MOTIV app installed? There may be a firmware update needed to the microphone itself which you will only get when the app recognizes it.

@@TommysPianoCorner thank you Tommy. How can I update the firmware if the app doesn’t recognize the mic? Thanks in advance, great content by the way, I already subscribed to your channel.

@@AlexMercadoJazz that’s why I said try it with a iPhone having a lightening connection. In that way the app will recognize the mic. You can check for firmware using the phone. I hope that makes sense

Thanks for letting me know. Ornaments can be so complex :-)

Siloti marks it as ‘non legato’ as this is in line with the original instrumentation (the bass would be ‘plucked’ rather than played with a bow. That said, if you prefer a legato sound then nothing stops you from doing that in my view.

@@TommysPianoCorner 🙏

You’re very welcome. I have never recorded a tutorial on the entire piece but I do have a couple of videos with ideas of how to practice the trickery parts. I’ll send a response with the links when I’m on my laptop tomorrow. Liebestraum is of course much more difficult than the consolation - especially the third section - but it is gorgeous :-)

@@TommysPianoCorner thank you 😊

@@TommysPianoCorner I thought I’d never in my life play polyrhythms but I played a Chopin Nocturne and decided then I could do anything. This “semester” I played Consolation in D (your tutorial was so helpful!) & again feel like I can take on any piece of music. I started lessons at age 39 knowing only Middle C and not even how to play a scale. I turned 51 last month. My mom quilts. I learn piano pieces. lol

Thanks. I’m pleased you enjoyed :-)

Very pleased it was useful :-)

I have never seen it where it is milky. However, when the ‘current layer is hidden’ message appears, for me if I hit the layers button (far right hand side), it is possible to set layers to visible or hidden there (using the little button in the layer that looks like an eye). Is it a newly imported score? That could cause the milky appearance. I hope that helps

@@TommysPianoCorner Tommy thanks so much for responding so quickly! Actually my Forscore is a paid version but it is the basic, not the Pro. I just got it so my scores are newly downloaded. I have no idea why I cannot make the hidden layer visible (I did indeed follow your suggestion). However, my 'opening' view was two pages, and when I activated the toolbar, the one page I wanted became hidden. My solution (trial and error) was to change my view to half-page turns. Now, even when the toolbar is not active, I can see my annotations!

@@kathleenwsmith4367 my version is very old - back from when forScore was free - but with the app updates I would assume it is the same as yours (I never upgraded to pro). There are a few View options that I have in honesty mostly avoided using as they can get confusing. I’m glad you found a workaround for now. Looks like you might need to further experiment with these to get what you need. Forscore have an excellent help guide which might help further diagnose what’s happening

@@TommysPianoCorner Hello again Tommy, I am REALLY impressed that you are responding -- thank you so much! Yes, I do find the help guide helpful, and also your RU-vid video! I meant to say that I can now add new stamps to my score, which is what my goal was. Hurray! (While searching for a solution, I removed all of the scores except for this one, which was the only one I had annotated so far.) I love your video!

Yes, it’s extremely annoying when things don’t ’just work’ as Steve Jobs always used to say :-)

@@TommysPianoCorner Steve would never stand for this level of gate keeping. Also, thanks for your previous videos that cover this issue. I’ve been using your workaround for MOTIV on my iPad before this issue was fixed.

I’m delighted you found it helpful - this is a magical little piece :-)

Thanks. I have found it works really well and we can apply the same basic idea by converting 4/4 to 6/4 etc. I hope it gets you good results too!

Yes. Me too. Although appoggiatura usually seems to refer mostly to a single note rather than a pair as we have here. This is what makes me wonder.

That is very nice of you to say - thanks. I’m happy you found the video helpful :-)

@@TommysPianoCornerYour teaching is unique; You explain everything in the shortest time possible. Very interesting and effective

@@kamranhamidfar1725 thanks :-)

Thanks so much - pleased you enjoyed it :-)

I’m very pleased you enjoyed it. Thanks

Thanks. Very true. I have a few videos ready to record, I just need to get around to it.

@@TommysPianoCorner Great...looking forward to seeing them..best regards

Hi. Yes, reboot just means restart. So, completely power down and then switch back on.

@@TommysPianoCorner thankss a lot, I will try it :)

I would imagine that it should be - however, I don't have an ipad 6 and so can't test it for you. If you purchase via Amazon or similar, there is generally an option to return if the item doesn't work for you.

Yes, it can be very tricky to get used to triplets over 8th notes. There are a few sayings that people use such as 'nice cup of tea' where you start with the first two notes together, then spread the others over the remaining words (so, second triplet with 'cup', second 8th note with 'of' and the third triplet with 'tea'. Another thing that can be very helpful is to practice other pieces where the melody alternates between standard 8th notes and triplet 8th notes. There are lots of such patterns in Scarlatti and Mozart for example. Also, try looking at pieces that use a similar pattern. There's a nice little piece called Romance Poudrée by Jules Burgmein for example where there are lots of examples of it.

Thanks

I have never done one but perhaps I should - it would be an interesting test.

​@@TommysPianoCornerI think it's a good test comparison. I'm thinking of getting the NT5 but I like MV88+ simplicity; usb & on board Dsp & direct monitoring & you don't need a big arm/mount too. Of course it depends on the use case scenario. Anyway thanks Tommy 🙏

@@zogun the MV88+ is certainly a much simpler option. Of course, to get a stereo recording we need 2 NT5 microphones, plus some sort of audio interface/recorder not to mention wires, mounts etc. With the MV88+ we simply need our smartphone and perhaps a tripod if the small one included isn’t sufficient. I’m due to do some recording this week so will record something with both set ups simultaneously.

Theoretically it can - depending on the settings used. However, aggressive limiting we use, the more obvious it becomes. I personally would try as much as possible to set the gain such that we don’t clip and perhaps consider adding gentle limiting as a fail safe :-)

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I can never decide when something should be a mordent or a trill. I have seen both used when describing music from different periods. Always leaves me confused I have to admit :-)

My pleasure

Delighted it was helpful