$3,000,000 For All Of Our Lumber?! (also Frank is back) S8E6 

Came to post the same comment.

Make that a shirt!

And then have Frank’s info on the back

@@DonkeyFries Nice

Either this guy is a Grade A bullshitter, or he knows what he is talking about.. Sadly, I don't know enough to know which way it swings.. But, I will thank you for a great explanation if this turns out to be good stuff.

That really goes for everything.... Did nobody watch American Gangster with Denzel Washington?

It's unfortunate, but as soon as you show that you are unable to properly inspect/judge a vendor's quality of product/labor, many will take that as an opportunity to take advantage of you. I was definitely put through the ringer as a young engineer in positions that typically require much more experience.

I worked at a finishing mill back in the day. We ran precision milled pieces for Japanize buyer who had agreed to a 10% off-spec. The catch was that the 10% had to be shipped in separate pallets. :D

@@ninjasownpirates Even if you can grade it yourself, they piss and moan every time you send a load back ask for replacements because they didn’t meet spec.

RIGHT! I would love a side vlog where we get to sit in during their company nitty gritty stuff. I would love to see more behind the scenes with them.

Second this, I love spreadsheets!

I was about to be upset if I didn't see some excel after the outro. It was definitely a missed opportunity to really educate about their costs and pricing like you said. (Side note: His table could have been much more legible with some cell formatting.)

Doug made a face about "You want to go look at a spreadsheet??" and I'm sitting here thinking "Oh I very much would"

I came here to say the same thing. Show us the presentation!

No joke, the editing has been absolutely fantastic as of late, not that it's ever been bad, and really adds a lot to the show itself. Like that scene at the end with the grey out on Doug? That made me laugh way too hard.

If only they had him looking like that back in January!

Yeah I thought he actually looked younger and very snappy.

so sharp he could plane lumber

As an engineer myself, accepting (really just the rejecting part) materials sounds like a nightmare to me.

I'm a little surprised, but a little not surprised, lol - Doug is a great craftsman, but is a prime example of the phrase, "penny wise, pound foolish". I'd imagine he just didn't push for cost reduction analysis before just because it, well, has a cost.

@@ninjasownpirates Yeah... The cost reduction projects could be fun, but once I started working on the materials, it wasn't so fun. It was messy and I was almost constantly having to argue with someone and document bad materials. Keeping track of material quality is a full-time job if there is a lot of it, but it's well worth the time.

Absolutely, a company will continue to push the limit of what the "ongrade" is until their customers start pushing back

Better Call Frank

They may not be making a profit and just getting by thanks to leverage and recurring Kickstarters (basically more leverage).

To be fair, it sounds like desperation to remain in business.

The company they are in conflict with is not a "corporate" entity. They are a small to mid-size, direct to consumer, internet business that relied heavily upon Keystone to produce many of their big selling items. They were blindsided by Wyrmwood's decision to drop everything but the modular gaming tables. They have customers who have paid a lot of money for furniture and have been waiting months and months for that furniture. There are always two sides to every story, and unfortunately, you only got one side in this video.

I would love a side vlog where we get to see more of that business stuff. More spreadsheets if you will!

Same here. Business-y and woodworking at scale. I don't watch for Bobby's antics, I watch for Wyrmwood.

They would probably have another humidity issue now that the space they occupy has so much more wood that will be sucking moisture out of the air.

Surely they could get in contact with local schools, makers spaces, and the like and tell them, "hey, this is our weekly waste collection day. If you want to drop by and scavenge small chunks of high quality timber for your wood shop, let's arrange for you to come by the day before and see what you could take." And let the m take whatever they want for free. Yeah, this probably wouldn't make a dent in WW's costs, but it saves wasting wood (ecologically) and gets them some good PR in the local area. And maybe extend that offer to any hobbyists, but put a fee on it ($50 and you can take as much lumber as you can take in your car). It's pocket change for WW, but it's saving the wood from being wasted.

@@jafrazer And then you have random people roaming around your shop. That model only works if you have a huge outdoor space you can just dump stuff and let people pick through it well away from your shop, your employees, your parking, your loading/unloading, etc.

@@rhysredin3030 Yeah, I would assume that they wouldn't just let people wander around the shop. More like a member of WW staff opens the gates on a weekend morning and says, "Here's the waiver, so we're covered if you do something dumb. There's the dumpster. Help yourself."

@@jafrazer Waivers can only get you so far, and still an awful lot of logistics and probably not worth their effort. The only way I could see it working is if they designated a space to store a certain amount without putting in much thought. If it seemed worth keeping add it to the pile, if the pile is full, scrap it as normal. Could then allow a first come first serve sale of bulk offcuts online, done in bulk as to not clog up delivery of every wyrmling deciding to buy one piece of wood a person, and of course no refunds.

This.

Small woodworkers in the area, come raid the dumpsters

@@Indian0Lore You could do that, but you have no guarantee that enough of those woodworkers are going to come and pick up your waste. You do know that you are going to produce X amount of waste every day. Relying on a inconsistent method to get rid of a consistent problem is just going to lead to bottle necking in the future. That's why we don't just have random people pick up our garbage on some loose contract, even if there are other waste solutions out there, if they're not consistent they aren't effective at a large scale. Also, if you can manage to make money from your waste, even if it doesn't recoup cost, it's always better than either spending money, or getting nothing for it. And as it sounds like it's already going to be recycled for gain, it's really a no brainer. Though I mean until they solve that problem, putting a "Wood Scrap, Free Pickings" up might be good, though I'm sure there's some kind of liability issues there. Like if someone gets hurt scrounging in your dumpster of wood, it's on you for letting them.

I believe it more has to do with there would be legal issues with them just giving the scrap away to just anybody as a company.

Another week, another round of comments making yet more of the same suggestions, none of them dealing with the scale of lumber produced. I really think they SHOULD keep some of the scrap separate to sell/donate/use, but I don't pretend like that is going to solve their core issue. It's a stopgap measure at best. We have 1 joker saying they should hire a blacksmith & make knives FFS... yeah, let's distract the R&D team for a month on a totally new type of product, spend a month+ interviewing for smiths, god knows how much money to acquire smithing equipment & setup a compliant work area, even more money for the specialist equipment to make the handles... all to convert less than a quarter of the dumpster produced per day into product over the course of 2 days to a week. Which then has to be stored on premises until sold. And oh yeah! the product is a form of weapon which is gonna just do wonders for cheaply & efficiently delivering it to customers. Brilliant!

Amen! so much lovely stuff could be made. Why does nobody have a waste reselling business?

@@Wendygram Dale and Doug mentioned it in the episode. There are ways to resell waste, but it's not going to be as offcuts. The various costs that would be involved in processing warehousing and shipping are astronomical. With the sheer amount of waste wyrmwood produces, no number of retail buyers could even put a dent in it, and no commercial operation would buy it because the offcuts are too small to be processed by a commercial sized machine. So their best option is to grind it all up and hope selling that can offset the cost of having the ground up wood hauled away.

@@residentroofkroean I meant a company that buys and stores choice waste, then sells at a profit. Take the cost away from companies like wyrmwood.

@@Wendygram hiring people just to sort the incoming “waste” would eat up any profits.

@@residentroofkroean they might even get a fuel brick press themselves. They are really cheap (like 15-20k here in Europe) and occupy much less space than raw dust, so less trucks to haul. Big sawmills even run their own small electric stations off their waste, but Wyrmwood does not have that amount of sawdust... yet, but definitely something to consider when building their own facility.

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See no problem with this.

A lot of horse stables use it for stalls as well. I don't know where the closest race track is, but even Google says the best bedding for horses is Wood Shavings.

Bobby's reply : " You Fuckin told me to put out content at a Consistent rate. We will do what we have to do to get that content out."

They're looking at hundreds of thousands of pounds of wood waste monthly. 800 tons, if the math checks out. They'd never be able to use it all.

That blacksmith idea, Jason wants to do an EDC line. Knives are a very common EDC product. Some of the other comments are correct, it's a huge amount of scrap. BUT, they could hire out a company to do their EDC knives, who already has capacity enough to work on that large of quantities. Hire them out, ship off the scrap. It gets turned into money. They'd still have to pay for it, but a knife made of D2 steel or better, plus purpleheart scales? They could Easily charge a couple hundred dollars or more.

@@LeQuackQuack Hell yeah that's what I'm saying. I dont even care if it's a shelf piece vs actual use, make me a gorgeous ass blade I can hang on my wall.

@@LeQuackQuack What's the name of that metal fabrication company that shares space with them? They're literally right next door. They could manufacture the blades and do the assembly. Wyrmwood would just have to machine the handles to shape and finish. Put each of their logos on it, one on each side.

@@greyborg3846 They are going to be working with them on a different project.

I have the same! Have about a dozen of them from my dad when he was stationed there in the 50s.

High school and college art students would love to get their hands on small blocks of wood.

They're going through 800,000 pounds of scrap a month. If they gave a thousand pieces to a dozen schools, that wouldn't even make a dent in one single month worth of scrap.

@@biancabrooks280 This. Great for making cutting boards in shop class.

Fair enough, but it might be something that could be done say once a year that would take very little effort on their part and have other people both do the work and make use of the scraps. I don’t know all the details, I don’t know every last trade-off they have, it’s just one option to put down on the list. Maybe it will be dismissed out of hand, maybe it will be considered and deemed untenable, maybe it will spark a better idea.

Fair enough, but it might be something that could be done say once a year that would take very little effort on their part and have other people both do the work and make use of the scraps. I don’t know all the details, I don’t know every last trade-off they have, it’s just one option to put down on the list. Maybe it will be dismissed out of hand, maybe it will be considered and deemed untenable, maybe it will spark a better idea.

This right here ... /drool

Seems about right. God I don't want to build this deck I have to.

@@psyberian go composite at this point it will last longer

@@psyberian I am in the same spot. My deck is hanging by a thread. Estimates are now 2 times higher. May as well go composite now.

@@TheOntthunderbo Thinking about it, probably right. It's a matter of replacing the decking, or the whole thing if I go composite. It's also a carport so that becomes a whole permit issue

I think you are underestimating the scale of the waste and overestimating the demand. Plus doing that takes labour to package and deliver which they just don't really have, plus its going to be way more expensive for people to order that from Wyrmwood than just source it locally.

I think the problem is there's TOO MUCH. If they're spending thousands a month on dumpsters, it's far far more than they'd ever sell

Reminds me of when I went to the Louisville Slugger museum and factory tour in the before times. I have some chunks of the off cuts that they just gave me for free.

I think the goal is to eventually build their own.

hmm. true.

Add a disclaimer saying "don't machine-process" and you're good to go!