Not just any fork but a Covert Companion Tactical Shimming Fork 5000 which can be purchased as part of the Covert Instruments Common Lockpicking Kit - Dining edition.
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That sounds like a great video idea he should do. He could break into one safe/lock to get the tool to break into the next. Do like five or six in a row that way....
The real defensive genius of this box is the horrible ear-splitting screech it lets out when you press a button, alerting the owner to any attempt at theft.
@@0LoneTech Theft through legitimate means* because what person would just happen to have any long thin piece of metal nearby, that's obviously too impractical
I love the fact that I finally had a practical use for all the videos I watched from you. My sister bought a lockbox online recently for something and yesterday she couldn't find the key. Took a look at the lock, saw it was a wafer, and opened it with my nail clippers. XD They really are stupidly easy to open.
At this point we need a spoof video of the ‘OVERT Companion’ that just has a collection of everyday objects and shows how they can be used to open a variety of locks.
LPL: "For once, the wafer lock is not the weakest link, even though it can be jiggled open in just a couple of seconds" Me: "Stop! It's already dead!" LPL: *proceeds to get out his wafer jiggler out anyway*
I actually blinked and missed the first time it was jiggled open, which made me wonder how bad the other security flaw has to be if the wafer lock isn't the weakest link here...
Just watched your Keynote at the SAINTCON Conference. "They apparently either don't think there's a problem or they know there's a problem and think that hiding it will make it go away. There's a name for this... Security by obscurity." Well said! Proprietary Software code relies on loopholes not being found. Open Source Software code relies on not having loopholes.
@@arnoldhau1 At least no obvious ones. It's about the principle. There may be a market for locks (not safes) with completely transparent cases, i.e., the open source software model. Limit obvious loopholes and demonstrate acceptable levels of security, by eliminating obscurity. Also, isn't anonymity another form of Security Through Obscurity (STO)?
From their website: "Durable, solid-steel construction and a tether cable on most models provide moderate protection against brief attacks." I mean they're not wrong, if brief means less than two seconds...
LPL has taught me two important things gs about safes: wafer locks are useless, and code-setting buttons should be behind a screwed-on panel so you need more than eating utensils to reset the code.
My impression was that keeping your valuables in a safe is much more effective for impressing your snob "friends" than it is for actually keeping them save...
Just a small plastic cover would have stopped the fork attack. Replace the wafer lock with a disk detainer, double up the metal at the edges for more rigidity, put a cover on the reset button, and it might actually be ok. Is surprising how some small design features could improve it so much.
@@LRM12o8 I use mine to keep people and kids away from my guns. And titles and other stuff. Not one of my friends or kids could open it up. A locksmith sure probably. But most robberies are from someone you know. Very rare random robberies. So in a sense, to keep ur friends and family out. 🤷🏼. And in our state, ya have to have ur guns locked in a safe. It’s state law. If anyone gets hurt or hurts someone else it’s a felony here. Or if they see ur kids has access to ur firearms, regardless of their age or training, they can be confiscated. Even if it belongs to ur 16 year old son. Stupid thing ever!
@@SadisticPicker I agree with that legislation. Just make sure your safe isn't like the one in the video, that comes with a warning not to use it to store guns in ^^
My two favorite tool kits - covert companions for opening everything you're *supposed* to open, and ifixit for opening everything you're *not* supposed to open.
I always carry a cheap stamped stainless teaspoon in my bag (think dollar store quality) and I'd be very interested to see how many different locks and products can be opened with it. I have so far used these spoons: As an emergency finger splint (just broke the handle off) To manipulate a tablet in an art exhibition (my friends instillation, the tablet was playing video but was in a box frame so people couldn't mess with it but the artist was having technical difficulties so I was able to use the spoon to bypass the "anti tamper" features) As a rudimentary knife (a minute or so sharpening against concrete and you can get a pretty good edge, just like using a honing block) As a screwdriver for many different purposes To open a locked cashbox when the keys went awol For stirring coffee and eating pasta/couscous/salad pots that didn't come with a spoon And to hit people with when they were being an eggplant Edit: there are probably more, but you get the picture
Has anyone else stopped to consider what locks are used on Master Lock headquarters? I mean, if they use their own stuff, they basically have an open door policy.
In today's episode we are visiting Master Lock headquarters for a business meeting. Meeting starts at 9:00 a.m., office opens at 7:00 a.m., and I'm here early at 5:00 a.m. to check out the lock on their front door. Click out of one, click out of two... and just that easily I am in.
As a facilities manager, I have to keep up with a lot of keys. The chain I originally kept them on was heavy and cumbersome, so in addition to key codes, I keep a complete set of original keys in a locked 3-ring binder with compartmentalized plastic sleeves designed for microscope slides. Works great. It even has a steel tether so I can bolt it inside my desk. One day our security manager accidentally changed the combination of the lock on the binder because he pressed the latch the wrong direction and turned some of the numbers (the procedure to set the lock), and I had no idea how to get it open to set it back. Then I thought, "What would the LockPickingLawyer do?" So I applied a decent amount of pressure to the latch and spun the combination lock wheels thinking it would work similar to a rake in a padlock. It literally took about 3 seconds to open. Thanks, LPL!
"...it can be jiggled open in just a couple of seconds" was honestly surprisingly generous, seeing as he did it in, what, less than one second? The manufacturer should consider this a compliment
Well - the 'compliment' was followed up by a 'but there's an easier way' that's like saying - the door lock is pretty crappy. But the owner also left all the windows open...
There is one excellent use of this safe though... Use it to store the keys for it inside! That way you dont misplace them, and they are easily accesible when you need them
My God, amazing, i have that safe, i knew it was not very good, but today thanks to you i have been able to open it in a minute with zero experience and two paper clips, amazing, thank you very much for your job.
Is their nothing that can defeat you? A master of your craft, our paragon of what is and isn’t truly safe. Love your work. I can’t wait to see the video of how complex and well made the lock is that finally defeats your masterful skills.
you know, I once read a product review that instructed people to ignore what those "specialists" might tell you, specifically mentioning LPL as one, because the average individual did not possess the particular skills necessary to unlock the product nor were the particular skills easy to learn. In some cases that may be a fair enough statement, as LPL is incredibly skilled, but in this particular instance even an above average primate could figure out the skills to open this non destructively.
LPL is generally pretty good about specifying when a lock is something that would probably provide decent security when not in his nice and convenient optimal lab setup, but anything with a wafer lock seems pretty pathetic.
I think that is because a lot of retailers selling lower end locks know that their mass produced Chinese made garbage is merely there to make a show, so many of the locks that LPL has dealt with could be made a lot better. But because the retailers are not the designers of the locks they sell but are buying just branded locks then there is no incentive to improve and it shows Masterlock for one have been slated time and time again because their locks truly offer little protection to anyone when faced with an opponent with the correct tools.
It depends on your needs and I think LPL typically does a good job at demonstrating/explaining whether it will fit your use case. A lock that's just to keep things closed and deter theft, I think gets a lighter tone than something that advertises it's self as some kind of "best of the best" serious security device yet can be opened with a toothpick or whatever. If you are looking for a serious security product, you're not doing yourself any favors by being stubborn and buying the weakest product anyway. It's not so much taking a random internet expert at face value, but more making a determination yourself if the risk that a demonstrated no-brainer attack could compromise something important.
LPL: "For once, the wafer lock is not the weakest link" Me: "What, did someone actually figure out how to make a wafer lock decent?" LPL: "even though it can be jiggled open in just a couple of seconds" Me: "Oh no.... I can't wait to see how bad this is."
My thought process exactly, lmao. I was like, "Whoa, somebody made a wafer lock not suck?" Then he jiggled it open in like a second and a half with like no effort at all on the jiggler.
It's a Master Lock brand. Failure is not an option, it comes as standard. I remember when he opened a more sturdy model with a saw. If you want a good personal safe, look at the special series made by Bosnian Bill during his last few months before retiring from YT.
Once upon a time, I bought what seems to be an earlier model of this (was about 20 years ago). I never set a digital code, and eventually I lost the key. I was still able to open it with a stiff piece of metal by twisting the dial toward the unlock position and then prying the lid away from the locking latch along the long edge (the side along the bottom of your video). The model I had had basically the same front plate for the lock/dial/keypad, but the lid overhung the body to the extent that your fork reset wouldn't work, but gave plenty of leverage between the lid and the body for my technique.
I've got a couple sentry safes I was using for some not super important items. Over the years and moving a few times I lost the keys. I just used a set of nail clippers that has the nail filer and opened them just as quick as the keys did.
We have several gates with fake locks at work. They cannot be picked because they don't actually have any locking mechanisms in them. We found however that they do the same job as real locks. In that they keep honest people honest, and dishonest people still spend a good amount of time trying to pick or cut the locks just as they would if they were real.
@@christianvanderstap6257 I considerdd a document safe to keep a few documents at the same spot and some basic fire and water protection. There are a bunch of Master Lock / Sentry "safes" that claim to do this but you can also buy chinese no-name soft glass-fiber bags, so I went with that instead, considering how anything is likely better than a master lock product :)
I know people who never lock their cars, on the theory that it’s easy to break into a car, and if it’s unlocked, the thief will damage the car less. I lock my car, though, to keep out the lazy thieves.
... I have. in fact, the entire module is used in a (cheap) keybox that I've seen. the lock is more of a 'oh the battery died on the keypad' type of entrance method. as far as security goes, it's better than the "we put all the keys into a zip-lock baggie and put that in the top drawer of the office manager's desk' methodology that was being used at that location. But not by much.
I remember when I was younger, there was this fireproof lockbox that my grandparents allowed me to use to just play with. I eventually lost the key and couldn't get it open. In my childhood brilliance, I decided to use a lego minifigure sword to try and "pick it." It some how worked.
We used these in work for a few weeks. First thing we did was remove the set buttons and tuck them in the battery compartment. Made them a little more secure, but not enough to keep using them.
If I could put my valuables in one of those plastic packaging's I don't think anyone would ever steal them..... it'd also take me hours to access them and hope I don't slice myself open in the process...>.> They've only become more vicious over the years.
What I've learned after watching this channel for a few months is not to waste my money on any consumer safe/gunsafe/lockbox. I think I'll just put my valuables under the DOG'S mattress. Don't think anybody will be getting to those without a lot of trouble and noise.
I love that at this point, if you buy a lock or a storage box, you just go to LPL's youtube and see how easy it is to break into it. Also, the second the video started, I'm like, oh I bet that jiggles openly nicely. Then he gets out a fork and I start dying.
My parents had one like this when I was a kid. So long as you could stick an object into the key slot and twist slightly the latch would rotate enough to let the safe open.
I think I've seen this same safe sold by Honeywell. There was a third way to open it:. Twist the handle hard and it just opens regardless of if it is locked or not
Little more subtle to just call customer service tell them you didn't get keys and give them the bitting code on the face of the lock if you're long on time and short on forks.
“Hello, this is the lock picking lawyer, today I was going to show you how to open this up with a fork, but when I walked in the room…the security safe popped open by itself in a display of abject defeat. Even MasterLocks don’t do that.”
Product designer: “But this was just a mock-up for the Marketing photos! Now we need to design the actual product!” Management: “No time for any of that - just ship it, now.”
I could never hope to match LPL in picking, raking, jiggling or bumping, but I think I've picked up great technique in disrespectfully tossing the keys aside
I just wanted to let you know how much we appreciate you showing us ways to get around many security devices. All the best from the guys at: Burglars R Us. 👍😂
@@matthewtalbot-paine7977 I don’t think you can break the cable by pulling the box, you’d have to attach the cable to something more substantial. You’d just break the box and leave the cable intact.
@@DrakiniteOfficial Yeah, he should show that one minute long thinking session he had before figuring out how to crack into this safe. We're missing so much content! /s
The fork is part of the LPL "Goods are Gathered" collection, avaliable exclusively at Target (also contains a spoon, a mini EDC tactical blade, a can opener blade, and the world's second longest wave rake (thanks to the Not So Civil Engineer)).
when i was a kid, i hade one of these that i had picked up for free from the junk pile at the dump. it didn't come with the combination or keys. for years, i had it, just sitting unopened and taking up space in my room. if you had made this video 15 year ago, i may have been able to open it, but alas, i ended up returning it to the junk pile from whence it came.
Ah ha i see what you did there its a movie reference! and yes this is probably the sadest excuse of a vault i have ever seen and a the fork finally got to shine
I feel like many of the combination or keypad exploits could be solved if the reprogramming button just didn't work while the box was in the locked state
I don’t think that’s possible with the mechanical design of this safe. It seems that it just unlocks for a couple seconds, and then re-locks (meaning the next time you turn the knob clockwise is when it actually locks). Therefore, there’s no way for the software to know whether the box is open or closed, and whether the reset button should work or not.
@@TheQuark6789 Perhaps some sort of button that detects when the lid is open? Like as in if the box were unlocked but both halves were together it would count as "locked".
@@kochathefat327 Oh certainly, with a mechanical redesign it’s totally possible. But that would require a changing the production line, which is much more expensive than just a software update. And at that point, you could just put a door over the button. My point is just that it’s not trivial to fix. Nonetheless, I think a mechanical fix is needed to make this safe not a piece of junk that can be defeated with a fork. :)
Honestly, if I had some superexpensive stuff to hide, I'd likely put it in an IKEA wastebin in the attic, while putting only bricks and maybe a gps tracker inside any movable safe as a decoy.
I could see putting valuables in the center folds of a folded quilt, and putting the quilt in a black plastic garbage bag or a big plastic bin. Your decoy idea is also sound. Have you seen the elaborate youtube videos about fake packages w/glitter bombs, sirens, & cameras to nail package thieves?
Just hollow a real book out and put it back among other books or in a stack on your living room table - what are the chances a burglar starts browsing your books?
I probably shouldn't be saying this, but I've hidden a lot of my valuables in places no one would look for. Eg: inside my TV, fridge, keyboard, light fixtures, etc. 🤫
@@ibubezi7685 On the other hand, there are burglars who'll tip _all_ the books out of a shelf when ransacking a place, to look for things hidden behind the books and/or the shelf.
this CAN be used to make your valuables more secure. just fill it with something heavy and worthless, superglue it shut and place it so any thief finds it first, in order to waste his/her time.
As an owner of this particular safe, thank you for this one! Well, thank you for all of your videos actually, but this video showed me that I can do 2 things with my safe to make it a tiny bit more secure. First is actually done already; it's bolted from the inside into the drawer that it resides in, and that drawer is the same width as the safe, making it much more difficult, nearly impossible to access the code reset button. Now I just need to squirt some super glue into the key hole......lmao
I just checked my pockets, and I came up with at least 20 EDC items that could replace the fork. Every card-shaped piece of plastic in my wallet, every blade-like tool on my Leatherman, same with my Swiss Army pen knife, every key on my keyring, and the file or lever on my nail clipper. Even a folded sheet of paper would do in this "Security Safe".
The keypad issue always really annoys me when I see it, because it's so trivial to fix. Don't allow the changing of the code if the box is locked. It's SO EASY, that failing to do it means that I question every other decision and shortcut made in the whole product.
@@BoosterRinus Simplen solution is already a common one in so many boxes. Have a lip on the lid so that when it goes down there is basically a wall on the inside so you cant slip anything in. Even doors do this for security due to insertion tools being useful there sometimes for things like deadbolts. But honestly that box is made so cheaply that it shouldnt even be allowed to be sold as security. It bent so much I wonder if you could cut it with a knife lol
@@BoosterRinus don't even need a sensor. You just have to make the knob a disconnect between the reset button and the main circuit board. Just like a light switch. It's really that simple.
As with all of these devices, they are intended be put directly beside your valuables, so that the typical dumb criminal steals the "safe" and not the expensive stuff beside it. (had an empty knockoff pelican case stolen during a breakin at work that was sitting right beside a brand spanking new macbook pro, still in box... Criminals are dumb)
Back in the day, in Australia some white supremacist foot soldiers were told to break into a place and steal the laser printer.. they stole the fax machine 🤣
That would require they have any sort of switch in the locking mechanism to detect that its unlocked, an that would cost and extra 30 cents to manufacture!
@@gwamhurt not necessarily. don't know the schematics, obviously, but you should be able to make it a purely software solution... one line of code. no extra cost.
@@SwissSareth It would still require something to tell it that it is currently locked which would create another weakness. Could just redesign the inside and place the button where it is not accessible from the sides. A simple L shaped recess to have the button in would make it incredibly more difficult to reach with any sort of shim.
I have a Brinks branded box with the exact same mechanism. Accidently locked the keys in it shortly after I got it and panicked. Not even 10s with a paper clip, small flat head for tension and it was open.
I see they were finally smart enough to put the hinge on the inside. Before it was on the outside and you could just as quickly get into it by simply pushing the hinge pin out with a nail and hammer. 😂
Haha thanks I've been stuck outa mine since I lost the key and the batteries died. I haven't tried getting into it yet but now i know i can get the one thing i have in this stupid safe.
Hm, this seems like an ideal solution for when you can get a discount on your insurance for having your valuables stored in a 'certified safe', where it's good enough that you have a product from a list that includes MasterLock - and when you've already committed to doing an insurance fraud.
I've got one of these. It's been broken and dead for a long time, so I use it as a box to weigh other stuff down with. It's literally a paper weight paper holder.
I always appreciate your ”common sense design failure” videos. It's staggering how many "security" products are being made that offer little to no more real security than a 1st graders 1 number combo lock piggy bank.
It's a good thing you're a lawyer, so you can successfully defend yourself in the litany of murder cases you're building up against your self with Masterlock.
I have this box. Not because I considered it remotely secure, but because my wife found it for $10 at Walmart and I know without a doubt that TSA and airline counter monkeys won't hassle me over it when flying with a handgun.
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