16” MacBook Pro Review - Real Talk 

Dave Lee No, maybe when I have that kind of money

yep

Simple Answer NOPE.

Dave Lee still very expensive thou

Totally not related to this video at all, but i want to get a oneplus 7tpro, but the oneplus8 is coming out early next year apparently, should i wait for it or buy the oneplus 7t pro?

Facts

Technically it is just shy of two years since first release and the only update it saw last year was the 5600M GPU option. I have no regrets buying mine since it’s been over a year and a half for me personally. I typically upgrade every 2-3 years. My plan originally was to keep this for 3 years but the new 16” MBP M1 Max with its miniLED screen and ports really has me tempted to upgrade sooner rather than later. The one good thing about Apple products is that they retain a high resale value. So the cost of entry may be high but the cost to upgrade is usually reasonable.

@@DDavEE I’ve had mine for about the same amount of time. The upgrades with the new generation are so tempting. I would get the 14in this time tho cuz my 16in is a little too big for me. And with the Apple trade in I get about 1500 bucks, might pull the trigger 🤷‍♂️.

I was just about to comment on that. Apple saw this video and said, bet.

Well it took another 2 years for a redesign

what's the thrill to that. I was, I am, happy to have it with the Touch Bar

Ngl I've practically never used the escape key on my Mac. Unless you are playing a game, why do people like the escape key so much?

George_E As a developer I constantly use the escape key, and there are many other areas where it’s used as well. And as soon as you get used to navigating the system through he keyboard where it makes sense, instead of always using the mouse, you will use the esc key quite often. While the software key on the Touch Bar is useable and fine for most people, it‘s just not as good as having a physical key to smash, when you use it often.

So the issue is that it's not a physical button so if you like dual boot you literally just can't use the esc key and it really removes a lot of functionality

Fabio Mota Ah right. I’m a developer as well, using Xcode on my MBP. I know you can press Esc for showing/hiding type completions, but I don’t really do that. I don’t know if there are actually any useful shortcuts with Esc. I just use the trackpad but I can understand what you mean

Waits for Linus............(who is usually very fair with Apple reviews)

Snazzy Labs?

You forgot the biggest apple fan. Jonathan

Her name says it all

Love inbox therapy but his laptop reviews are terrible. He can’t type but complains about keyboards lol

Hahaha true true

Dean Churchman They didn’t claim that anywhere...

Dave2D: I see what you did there

Jokes aside, Apple don’t do that. They only say “it’s the most powerful MacBook ever”.

Watch this video before buying MacBook ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lTpHa70DDX0.html

So refreshing

He’s the best.

@@thebigboi5357 true

Jonathan Morrison...

MrWhostheboss...

i love you

LOL

Very fairly priced

@@adarshkmryadav the maximum power USB C can provide is 100W. You need all the components inside the laptop to draw under 100W of power so you can keep the USB C cable and power adapter. If you add a GTX GPU, those GPUs themselves will draw anywhere from 150W to 250W, with which you could no longer use USB C to charge and you would need a big bulky power brick to draw that power from the wall.

@@eXoguti094 The best solution is an external GPU. Apple has 4 thunderbolt ports so it shouldn't be an issue other than money.

At this point, I'm even surprised that he mentioned that, cuz this has been a critical reason for me to consider the MacBooks, and barely anyone has ever mentioned it.

Adarsh K. Yadav they also had some beef with nvidia. Also the amd graphic cards take much less battery . Amd graphics cards also have better compatibility with the external 4k displays

@@eXoguti094 the size of the power brick is not much bigger, the only thing that changes is the connector and cable.

RITU KIKI *macc

TRUE, BIG TRUE

Is he though? He sounded pretty sure to me.

@@abubakrakram6208 he's being as positive as he can without straight up lying because he wants to be able to keep reviewing apple products and not get blacklisted. Basically the whole review is, "it's good for what limitations it has". Not once did he say or imply that this is the best out there, or a great value or is it highly recommend. It's basically just "good". Not amazing. Not great. Just good.

@@aaaaaaxaaaaaa true

Magoon TV no?

hahahaha

@Cash Ash I'm saying 😂

Instead of saving just steal one

Hey, I got a fully loaded 2014 15 inch for 480 dollars early this year (3200 when new), point being, this will also be a 500 dollars pc someday, just not soon haha

@@alarak2159 That whole sentence made no sense whatsoever

@@edvando1258 😂

That's Apple's entire business model. Limit a product *just* enough that someone becomes willing to spend another $400 for a $20 upgrade.

​@@Kataroku Microsoft with the entire Surface line too, they always lure you in with an appealing pricetag and then you click through and find out that's for a model nerfed in some horrible way like having a 2019 device with 4GB of RAM. You make Windows you assholes you know that won't run right.

Kataroku That’s basically every thin laptop these days. Lenovo, Apple, Microsoft, etc..

What I meant was a bit different. Such as only type c IOs on macbooks, while everyone is using dongles, elimination of 3.5 headphone jack - it was pretty weird then.

These macbooks are so expensive

His Majesty I can’t wait

Lew (from Unbox Therapy) said it's rumored they are NOT going with a 14 inch MacBook next year. You may have to wait at least 2 more years for that.

Juan Taveras IV what reason would they have to not upgrade the 13”?

Juan Taveras IV but I’m pretty sure they at least change the keyboard design. That’s enough for me.

Fixed keyboard, no touch bar and fair priced base model. 8gb ram/128gb ssd ain't cutting it for a "Pro" base model

cringe os

@@vexus1093 Boohoo

@@vexus1093 how is it cringy?

@@BaderHashmeh Apple bad. Dave even said that he prefers MacOS over windows

@@cheechenc7260 i know that he said he prefers macos

Liquid retina lmao

Rounded corners definitely won’t happen. FaceID is unlikely. I would actually prefer TouchID. MicroLED might happen. Apple Silicone definitely will happen. It really is a bridge though.

Absolutely. And I think I can even guess what they’re exactly gonna call it: Liquid Retina XDR, since it’s also rumored to adopt MiniLED and hence, higher dynamic range (XDR stands for Extreme Dynamic Range in Apple’s terminology)

@@Michael-zn2jc “Definitely won’t” why do you think so? On phones I agree I definitely prefer Touch ID but on laptops and tablets with keyboard cases I MUCH prefer facial authentication. Also this year won’t be the year we’ll be getting MicroLED, that’s farther ahead for now. This year what we’re supposedly getting is MiniLED, which is somewhere between IPS LCD with a standard backlight and MicroLED, so not quite at the contrast level of MicroLED.

@@utubekullanicisi I don’t know why I wrote MicroLed, but you’re right, I meant to say MiniLed. About the rounded displays, more recent “leaks” have led me to be believe it might happen but I’m still not sure. I just don’t see it as something important. It would probably cause problems viewing things in full screen so I don’t like the idea.

How do you like it? Which one did you get?

they are?

@Far L AR*

@@SaruwatariMasahiro they AR

Half-life 4

no see mack os catalina break all steam games

Now SD Card Reader and Magsafe please

@Swift Boiz I have to highly disagree on that. I'm a musician and a photographer and I need a SD card for both of my work fields. As a musician we tend to use audio recorders to record concerts to evaluate our own playing or just record a jam session to extract the best ideas. Yes, we could use our phones for that but the audio quality of a phone will never reach the same quality of a dedicated audio recorder especially in high volume situations. As photographer I have to disagree even more. I can tell you that all cameras have SD cards. ALL of them. Sony's flagship mirrorless camera the A7s III came out in February last year and it uses 2(!!!) SD cards. All professional grade Canon cameras use SD cards. Even their full frame mirrorless camera that came out last year uses SD cards. Given, they have wifi build into them but the purpose of that is not to transfer data from the camera to the computer but to trigger your camera with your phone. Don't forget videographers, same thing just moving pictures. Have you ever tried downloading a 30gb file? Photographers, Videographers and other creators that are in desperate need of the SD Card readers were turning away from the 2016 MBP's one big reason was the ports. Sara Dietschy, Chris Hau, Lizzie Pierce and many others. And those USB-C Magsafes. Never heard of an review that said those won't break after a few months of usage. Sorry for the rant but I've never seen such an uneducated statement...

guitarplayer1994 I get that an SD card reader might be super useful for you, but the vast majority of people don’t use one. Also I love the MagSafe on my 2012 but being able to plug in my laptop from either side would be more convenient. Just because swiftboy’s point didn’t meet your particular use case doesn’t mean it was uneducated

Swift Boiz I wouldn’t bother arguing with him. The most creative thing he’s ever done is come up with the username guitarplayer lol.

@Swift Boiz Well, it's all about convenience. Let's start with the dictaphones. First of all: I have studio microphones. USB microphones for any musician are utterly useless (don't want to go into the reasons here). I don't want to bring my laptop, my audiointerface, my microphone, my stand and cables to a concert when I AM ON STAGE performing, to review the performance afterwards. First convenience second: Somebody might steal it. Oh by the way, I'm in Europe: Not everybody has a car. Let's get to adapter things: Have you ever forgotten a toothbrush when you went traveling? It's about convenience. I don't want to carry around adapters all the time, at this price tag I want a machine that's a stand alone. USB-C I get behind it's the future, I get it. I even encourage it. But hell ... There's a reason why people call it the dongle book pro. I don't even necessarily have a problem with adapters: Get one for your monitor/TV/beamer/whatever and just leave on the cable, problem solved. SD card is a different thing man. I don't want to be carrying around 3000 cables to do basic work. And yes there are plenty of laptops to choose from, I still use my 2013 MBP and pray that it'll last as long as "it takes for the industry to adopt the latest and greatest ports". As I mentioned earlier a lot of creators moved away from Macbooks for that exact convenience. I don't know you or your field of expertise but you clearly haven't been in the fields of music, photography or videography.

get a life

Your gay

Ok boomer

@@coolshariq you're

Half-Life 3 confirmed

Mac has 3 letters... y’all know where this is going...

”steam ceo” :DDDD

really rare comment with some sense. what the fuck is happening with comment section recent years. you came here to see the review of the product, comment something about it and yet bunch of 9 year olds with their stupid meme comments they think is somewhat is funny. even memes aren´t what they used to be before.

In his "Razer Blade broke" video, he said that it throttled and the drives got way too hot.

Raphael Li good one

It's definitely in the right direction. Hopefully it carries on like this and I might go back to Apple.

And the airpods pro. Like dave said: It reminds people why apple was so succesful in the first place.

Everyone wanted USB-C on the iPhone 11, but no. So i don't think they really care that much what people want.

@@Echoes- You've probably heard a million times about iPhones having 3 year cycles - so 2020 is due to be the big update (where the shape and general look of the phone changes, as well as all the other features)

@@georgeelsham Yeah, still don't understand his point about iPhone 11 however.

Like Saucy said, I doubt the whole blame on Ive thing since he was here for literal decades prior to the complaints rising up. I also feel like some of the issues people have exist only in their heads. Like the iPhone being too thin and not having enough battery, even though it's consistently gotten thicker since the iPhone 6.

AbuBakr Akram I agree, I just wanted to see because I thought about this for a while and the timing of it marches up. It's most likely just a coincidence.

Yeah it is true. It is a well known fact that Jony Ive left because he was increasingly irritated at the higher ups not being even near as involved in product design as Steve Jobs was. They couldn't entirely rely on Jony(he was super demotivated and not even in the office for most days of the week before leaving) anymore so they decided to do market research themselves. Still, Phil is still there so they didn't fuck it up.

OMGitsNICK i wouldn’t be surprised if apple are designing products years in advance. This was probably almost finalised before Ive left

@@adamlax27 With how Apple do their macbook motherboards and hardware refreshes? Nah.

Could you tell me some examples of ineffective tech reviewers?

and mkbhd

linus tech tips a lot of times says bad things about devices if they don't pay them enough or just say nonsense too. I don't ever trust youtubers really. tho dave usually is trustable. also don't forget to read consumer reviews. a lot of models have common issues. I got an ux430ua once cause every review was good. the display died in a year. turns out it was VERY common with the model. lukcily I got a full refund but still something to keep in mind. I just got lucky to get a refund.

Zone of tech is also very good ...more in-depth review

TheWobblyEmily Ltt doesn’t get paid for reviews.

The odds of that happening is slim to none

I would love for something between the Mini and Pro would exist on the desktop side of things, something besides the iMac I mean, a small tower, with good but not necessarily crazy performance and easy to upgrade/expand.

The mac pro is upgradable but it's not a general consumer device at all. And i need the people that bring back the keyboard,who bring it some thickness and making it better for the same price...oh well it would have been hard to make it more expensive.

There ain't nobody that has upgradable hardware. NOBODY. I have looked and there is not one name brand that allows me to swap to the newest CPU, and the newest GPU. NOBODY, so I wish everyone would stop crying about his already since swapping the drive or adding a bit more RAM just will not give me the performance most that I can get with a CPU and GPU upgrade.

It's not possible to give upgradable laptop considering how slim it is. And all companies only offer upgradable ram now nothing else

Superbad reference? haha.

Donate me some money yo😂

It's for ventilation mainly

apple: *reuses an old design* apple: mAgiC

That's it. That's the comment to rule them all. The pricing isn't fairer, Dave, you've just grown accustomed to it. Like an awful lot of people btw.

In addition to that, we are Indian's 😂

@@Enover5 like an awful lot of sheep you mean :)

Nicolas Terny Nah, it really is worth the money. Good luck finding a comparable windows machine (Specs & build quality) in that price range.

@@TheBlashMusic i hope you are sarcastic, for the specs, you can get a windows based laptop with the same specs for less than half the price (like Dell XPS Series for example), and the build quality ????, yeah it looks good from the outside (like any another windows premuim series) but the amount of internal/hardware issues is far more than any other company ( you can look on the internet for the hardware pooblemes encountered in any macbook series)

@@andrethedias Well that's a stupid question.

NeuesTestament Find one device that is equivalent to the MacBook Pro and is cheaper that isn’t an older MacBook Pro. You won’t find any. In the realm of speakers, microphone, and trackpad, no one touches Apple

NeuesTestament the keyboard debacle was unacceptable, but it's undeniable that there's nothing like a MacBook.

​@@RR-uc1wb If it wasn't for MacOS I wouldn't give these notebooks a second look.

Honestly, major props to Microsoft for that. I hope more companies do the same

The surface laptops are just easier to fix for Microsoft themselves as they use mostly custom parts inside the devices. It’s not like they are 2012 laptops that you can easily repair yourself with common parts if something broke.

@@floriang2801 nah the new ones are supposed to have self-repair in mind

Florian G nah the components as far as off the shelf components are all upgradable

Yes from impossible to possible. Still worse than apple.

He always recommends them because he's blinded by the Apple logo on it. Not just this one

the argument is just BS by Dave. Of course a gtx2080 (or even lower) will burn through the battery in hours (or better minutes haha) but the thing can still be charged, EVEN with only a small 100W power brick on a plane! The battery will still drain if you use 100% cpu and gpu, but you hardly ever use full power on a plane. If you just use sub 100watt performance on a plane, you can perfectly use a different 100watt psu and it will charge nevertheless.

@gravis34 how is the battery life? Do you have the 4k screen? Also do you use Windows or Linux? I want to buy it but I'm still hesitating

In all honesty I think Dave2D misspoke because the GTX 1650 max-q in your Thinkpad has a similar power envelope to the AMD Radeon Pro 5500M but is not as powerful.

Which GTX? A low end GTX is probably comparable to the AMD 5500M 8GB in performance. Dave's point is that a more POWERful GPU, by definition, can't run at full steam on Power Delivery standard because it maxes out at 100 watt of continuous supply. Charging a laptop battery and powering the device are also different concepts

Ryan Cowan Hear him at 3:06. “RTX or GTX ANYTHING inside here, it won’t work under the 100W USB-C limit”. That’s factually incorrect, since the 5500M is comparable or can outperform the GTX 1650 with the same power envelope. If they were closer to NVIDIA still, they would’ve used the 1650 (like they used the 750m in the 15” in the past).