2020 Toyota Supra - Worth Hype & Hate? | Everyday Driver 

Out of about 20 channels that are reviewing this car I picked to watch you guys first. You guys bring a much better perspective to the cars you review. I actually picked you guys over the smoking tire. I’m going to watch that one next and skip a lot of channels like the dude in blue 🤷‍♂️. Edit.. after watching the review I was not disappointed one bit. Glad I watched this one first.

I don't care that it's not purely a Toyota. But the fact that it's tied up with a modern BMW platform is .. not great. The thing about Toyota, especially their 4 and 6 pots, is that they're sturdy, simple designs with widely available parts and affordable maintenance overall. With the 2JZ of course in the MK4, you had also a motor that could take a ton of extra boost and abuse, be easily rebuilt, etc. With the B5830M1 from BMW, you're talking a really sweet running thing out of the box. Nice turbo design gives you low end torque and flat powerband, just nice characteristics. However, this is also a platform that is immensely complicated with assloads of sensors, jam packed in the engine compartment with nary a mosquito's nutsack of room to work on it. Oh, and you're going to need to maintain this thing. Look up 'BMW B58 Vanos' on google. You'll see info on the Vanos seals. The Vanos timing chain is on the BACK of the motor. This means Vanos service at that level requires removing the entire engine from the vehicle. Wheeee. Vanos seals wear out between 25-50k on average. If you OBD one of these guys and see '2A82' or '2A87', welp, there ya go. This is kind of crazy, because Vanos is just BMW's variant of a variable valve timing tech, eg; Honda VTEC, Toyota VVTi, Mitsubishi MiVec, etc. Only with BMW, it's extra touchy and costly to maintain. Now, this will be a great fun car I'm sure. Hell, I like BMWs too. But I think the people who like BMWs the most are those that can afford to lease them, then throw them back in the pond after a year or two and onto their next toy. Your long-term buyers will have to really bear down, or may be in for some painful times in the future. Mark my words, by the time 5 years are up on these hitting the streets, they will be known WIDELY as the most expensive to maintain, touchy Toyota-branded vehicle of all time. These are dropping in the ~$50k range, so that means by 2024 used ones will be below $20k, and be a pretty terrible idea for someone to buy at that point, because it will be just like most used BMW/Audi used vehicles and secondhand buyers : you may be able to afford to BUY a $10k-$20k used one, but you may not be able to afford to OWN one, lol. Strong DIY'ers however, may be in good shape, especially if they have access to the right tools, and are ready to learn some oddities of working on this stuff.

Do I wish it was a Toyota-only project, yes. Am I glad it exists, absolutely! Everyday Driver ftw 🏆

finally someone showing some sense about the partnerships its just part of the parcel now

If the car wasn't named the supra and instead was named something else itd do great. the only reason people hate it cus it takes of of their favorite cars name.

17:01 It is built by Magna Steyr, the same company that builds the G-wagen. It is not built in a BMW factory. Manga builds the BMW 5, Z4, Toyota Supra, Jaguar I & E Pace, Mercedes G.

Don’t know why everyone is all upset about the BMW collaboration. Two of the greatest sports car companies of all time got together to make two great mid-priced sports cars. That’s a win for the enthusiast... not a negative

I’m really excited about this car but equally excited that Todd and Paul have another RU-vid review out - these guys have a way of speaking that is really informative but not boring

'm just gonna say this, about the fake vents. According to Toyota, they were on purpose cos they said this car was designed to be modified so when you put a bigger engine or a turbo all the fake vents can be opened up for more cooling. I learnt this from the interview that TFL car gave the Chief Engineer. Hate it or not, this car is stunning and by partnering with BMW, they make the car cheap (in sports car terms), and I think it looks good and if it doesn't, I believe it would grow on you. Nice work

2018 equivalent of $50,000 in 1996 dollars: $79,828. CPI source: Federal Reserve.

These are just a few examples of the typical A80 fanboy. Now, before I continue I just want to say that the JZA80 Supra is a fantastic machine & it’s worthy of praise. BUT, the community has inflated the hype surrounding the A80 to the point of disbelief. Yes, it COULD be a Supercar Killer if you throw enough money at it but let’s be real the majority of A80 fanboys can’t even afford the A80’s steep $50,000 asking price let alone the mods to take it all the way to 1,000HP. You can’t deny that stock for stock the A80 would lose to a Mitsubishi EVO VIII CT9A or Porsche 911 996 around the track or the street. Yes, the A80 is legendary but the overly inflated hype surrounding it doesn’t justify the praise at all. You could argue that it has a legacy but honestly it only has said legacy because of media. It did great in the JGTC (which the 2JZ was swapped in favor of the 3S-GTE due to the weight distribution NOT because the 2JZ was ‘too poweful for the JGTC’ lol) along with drag racing but most of the fanboys pretend like it’s the end all be all car of our time! No, it isn’t. Not for the $50,000 a used automatic twin turbo goes for nowadays. What does this have to do with the new A90? The Egos of the fanboys won’t admit that the new A90 deserves the name ‘Supra’ because it isn’t Japanese made. Well, if you wanted to should’ve let Toyota continue with boring economy cars then! Stop bitching, wait & see but if you don’t like what you see piss off & spend a very unreasonable amount of money on the A80. NOBODY IS TELLING YOU BABIES TO BUY THE NEW SUPRA! It’s like the GT86/86/FR-S/BRZ all over again! “The 86 needs more power!” I mean, with that logic the original AE86 needed more power from factory back in 1983 then! I swear the fan base for the A80 is just as bad as the Halo 3 fan base... if you don’t like my comment then too bad deal with it but I noticed that the more & more time goes on the more toxic the automotive community becomes just because some of us don’t share your opinions lol. Also, if you complain that this has a BMW I6 & not the fabled ‘3JZ’ you were hoping for then tough! BMW is one of a few companies that make great I6 engines & if Toyota dropped a motor into this vehicle it would’ve probably been a V6 out of a Tacoma or something because remember rather it’s Nissan’s L20 series or VG/VQ series motors THESE COMPANIES BACK IN THE DAY DID NOT MAKE A ‘SPECIAL’ MOTOR JUST FOR THIER SPORTS CARS! The VG/VQ & JZ series motors were in saloons & higher end luxury cars too you know in order to keep development cost low. The 2JZ-GTE is a legendary & bulletproof motor & combined with the A80 its a killer combo but we keeping things stock for this conversation because if we were talking modified then why complain about the A90 in the first place? Any car can be fast when modified yes but I don’t see the A80 holding any top spots for major time attack events because the Evos & STis have that covered oh & before you get mad about me comparing the Evo VIII & GDB STi to the A80 despite said rally cars being about 10+ years newer just remember that before you dish out that obscure amount of money on that JZA80 BEFORE mods. Honestly 90’s car vs 90’s car the NSX is the superior chassis due to the fact that the NSX NA1/NA2 has a dedicated chassis when compared to the A80 because it uses a pre-existing chassis shared with the Toyota Soarer/Lexus SC JZZ30. Hey, at least the A90 Supra didn’t become a front-wheel drive economy box like most muscle cars did after the fuel crisis & didn’t repeat the mistake of the Corolla & Celica (switching to FWD) in the late 80’s. It has the basic Supra formula at least! Long hood, I6 Turbo, RWD, Short deck & gorgeous along with evolved lines of the A80. All I offer you is the truth nothing more. Btw, I put a lot of effort in this post because I believe that every car ever made has a reason to be on this earth. Rather it’s a hit or a Ford Pinto the beauty of the automobile is a combination of many peoples from many different backgrounds yet we take this for granted everyday because we are jaded. If you are passionate about automobiles then you’ll have an open mind not a one tracked mind. I hope my post can make you at least see why we need to let it be & accept that this is our new Supra. But, opinions are like a**holes right? Everybody has one.

Elephant in the room is the GT350... especially slightly used for less $$ than a new Supra. 500+ hp, manual, excellent drivers car, V8 sound screaming over 8000rpm.

I’m fine with it being a Toyota with collaboration with BMW, but they didn’t have to call it a Supra.

Happy to be watching EDD’s review/coverage before anyone else’s...these guys have become my go-to source for car info!

I like the fact that you guys often have different opinions, but still back up your points and have reasonable discussion. Some channels just sound too boring, or one-sided.

I dig this car. It seems to do out of the box what I had to spend money on control arms and sway bars to get my BMW to do on the track (based on this and other channel's reviews). I am a BMW own (2) and love their products and the driving experience AND track experience. For a small amount of money (say, $5k) you can make this a 500+ HP car that will run all day long. I'm excited for this car and genuinely happy it exists. Can't wait to see one in the real and drive one!!

I wish Toyota teamed up with Porsche lol

I wonder why all you car people never asked why Toyota never looked at their Lexus range of cars to be made into the Supra?

It is a Z4 so the whole sitting on the rear axel is a given, I love that buy my question is was the original Supra like that? . Also bmw will release a coupe though. Also people attack the partnership but the fact is the bmw motor already is a modern 2JZ from a macro standpoint, Toyota Came in and breathed on all of it, none of the engine internals were approved until they met Toyota’s reliability standards. Bmw didn’t suddenly decide to make a motor with forged internals out of nowhere, so they effectively got an infusion of cash and Toyota engineering applied to the development of the motor and that’s exactly what we should want. Bmw is great with chassis’, so that doesn’t need much Toyota help, we got a solid offering from this partnership and it makes more sense to me than the Subaru Toyota offering, nationalities aside

FT1 is so so much nicer, especially from the front. They really took out the lines from the FT1 in the front. The rear looks decently close.

90s JDMs are still better than today. NSX, R34 GTR, Supra, 3000GT, STI, EVO, RX7, from the late 90s are still very good performance cars even today.

15:14 "I hate to say this, but most people are going to buy this and commute in it." That's exactly why I think a BMW 440i is better, same engine but more power for daily use, more comfort, and no dealer price hike from the hype.

I still remember when you first started your channel, and look at you now. Whether you know it or not, you inspired me to start my channel. Hopefully in two years I’ll get my million subscriber play button! Thanks for everything!

Still cannot get over how the concept looks in comparison to what was released. Forever I will remember the disappointment I felt.

Left the Savagegeese livestream once I saw your video drop. Viewer since the beginning.

They stopped selling in 98, the last year model for the US. Not 96.

Im like alot of people on here and out of all the reviews of the new supra this is the most thought out review. You guys always bring in the best perspective.

Im SO impressed and disappointed that you are so disconnected from car culture that you think the Supra is a legend because of Fast n Furious, did you not grow up liking cars? Are you under 20? Is your education on cars based on the ridiculous content of donut media? The Supra was chosen for the movie because it was already a legend in the tuning scene, not the other way around, the Supra became a legend because simple mods would generate great ganes in hp, and for not allot of money Supras were destroying everything on the road back then. Unless you are 20 you should know this,, or you really didnt care about cars, because you didnt even needed to be in the tuning scene to know about the monster Supras back then, the ones that inspired the movie, not the other way around.

Yes I agree, if I am spending 55k Corvette will be on my shortlist.

I wasn't a huge fan of the styling at first, but I think it's already starting to grow on me. The front/headlights look amazing at the slightly-high 3/4 view It's gonna take a longer time for the tail end though

First super review for me, big fan of the show. Fun to see you guys on a track I've actually been on. Nice work as always!

I got mine in yellow and it's been fantastic. Most people compliment the color over the car itself! First track day in a few weeks, I can't wait.

1:01 - let the basically 25 year price comparison sink in for a minute ($50k vs $50k). has this happened with any automobile ever...? the MSRP for a new GTR has easily DOUBLED in just 10 years.

I'm waiting for the 6 sp manual....for now i'll keep my manual miata.....

Despite Paul's effervescent cheerleading, I'm only lukewarm on the car. Sure it looks great, and I loved the feedback from the video, but I agree with what Todd was suggesting: this is a BMW with some Toyota tuning and a Japanese Frock. My problem is not about collaboration, it's about who did what on this car. I'll concede BMW has ample engineering prowess, but over the last 20 years, BMW's are only as good as the length of the warranty. Otherwise, they're incredibly expensive to keep running--those German parts are quite pricy and they seem to break... a lot. Toyota's are typically bulletproof well beyond their warranties. And there's the rub. This is no Toyota. If I bought this car, it would be with the plan to sell it before the warranty expires.

But what we all really wanted regardless of cost was a gtr, nsx rival. The car is fantastic, however it does not live up to the name.

When the manual comes.....I’m sold!

Beautiful car, add a third pedal option and they will hit a home run.

You nailed it. No matter what Toyota would have done, people would not have been happy with this car. I've owned 2 MKIV's and they were great cars and I loved them, but they simply are not as big as people make them out to be. Not to mention how expensive the MKIV was. My last one had a MSRP of over $40k which translates to over $63k today. The thing I do like about BMW setups is that the torque comes on so early. The MKIV, even in stock form, didn't hit boost until midway through the rev range. This is why this car is so much faster than the MKIV. The majority of MKIV's were also automatic. In 1996, there were no manuals made at all. Here's hoping they follow the example back in 1997 and pump out some manuals after fan feedback! Thanks for actually providing an unbiased review. I'm cross shopping this one between the C8, GT350, and a couple others and love all the info I can get! You guys are definitely at the top of my list of reviewers.

I'm extremely late to the party with my viewing and my commenting but this is seriously one of the best commentaries that I have seen on the new GR Supra. As always, great job to the Everyday Driver team and thanks for doing this!

looks like a really fun car but without 3 pedals it'll never be fun enough. hopefully toyota figures that out.

It needs a manual option, but other than that, I love it! All you mk4 crybabies get in a time machine. The mk4 wasn't crap until tuners got to it. This car will be a MONSTER once people start tuning and modding it.

These two has the most awkward chemistry...its like a husband and wife agreeing with each other just to avoid a argument when they completely disagree with each other if that makes sense

I never drove a beemer Z I liked, but I never drove one nearly this fast. I would also never spend this amount of money on a car knowing I'd be spending countless hours and thousands of dollars also voiding the warranty with a transmission swap. So much more better to go get an already excellent M3. But, I would still like to see a head to head comparison to the BMW's it's derived from and maybe some it isn't. Clearly it's a decent sports car. Clearly it isn't a Supra. What I want to know is if it brings extra to the table vs other beemers. And you guys are the right people in the right place to do it. Please? :D

Yea... this aint swaying me from a C7 Z51

Why not talk about the 370Z as a competitor. The Nismo is $47k and it makes about the same amount of power. little longer wheelbase, more than a little shorter overall. Is the Supra that much older that it's not worth talking about the Z?

Wish the suspension performance + ride on the back road and steering feel would have been mentioned to see if Toyota would be able to do something about BMW's notoriously numb steering rack. Nice vid.! Can hardly wait for a comparison drive against Cayman and Stingray.

I saw the discussion with the chief engineer and translator talked to you guys where they discuss why they did what they did, why air intakes are small and lots of plastic, etc. They also talked about how they left a lot on the table for tuners, 500-700HP capabilities, stabilizing bars, trans cooler, larger cooling capabilities, making blocked intakes functional, on and on and on. I've seen a few reviews and including you guys, no one has included that discourse which I have to say is a disservice to the people watching and the future "wantability" for the platform.

I couldnt give two turds about it being a re-badged BMW... great looking car

Curious why they didn't want to use the LC500 as a platform. The Lc500 is such a beautiful car.

"The reality of sports cars moving forward..." Mazda is just over in the corner like... uhhh guys, here's how it's done.

I'm upset all my favorite auto you tubers like you all were at my home track and I didn't get to meet you all.. At least I get to go to summit shenedoah in 2 weeks.. They should have done summit main for the supra..

I have a feeling that a sports car like this that isn't a super or hyper car really needs a manual transmission.

I glad im not alone being in love with the yellow!

Wow, out of all the reviews of the new Supra that I've seen so far, this one would be right up there in the top 3 best constructive reviews. Well done !. In another review I've seen by Carwow they timed the new Supra on the track, 0-60mph in 4.0 seconds dead, and the 1/4 mile in 12.5 seconds. I'm really impressed with the 0-60mph, that's faster than what Toyota have advertised on their specs which is 4.1 seconds. Not bad for a stock car that only puts out 250kw or 335hp.

Loved the back and forth during the whole video. Y’all take disagreement well!

The last gen Supra ended production in 98 not 96.

Why does this Z4 have less horsepower?

color grading! second to none as always! a thing I never think about when watching anyone else's channel, except how much better your footy is in comparison

The first 1min and 10 seconds of this video is so spot on!

Was it really a collaboration? It's so much BMW it feels like they built a Z4 and licensed the Supra name.

So after all these years the so called supra can destroy a Mazda miata

I also waited for you guys to make a review before watching any other channel. You guys do a really great job of communicating everything about a car that in a way puts it into the context of the automotive industry. Awesome job.

Ahh times before covid…… such a beautiful times. Will never be same!

This does not compete with Corvette esp since the new C8 will be mid-rear-engined. Supra customers historically do not cross-shop with Corvette.

Really scared of the reliability on this one. Just think how great it would be if it was completely Toyota designed and built. My experience with BMW beyond the 5 year mark has been poor (granted I’ve only had one 330ci but still), and my research of the reliability of BMW is not good either. I will say though it’s not the engine of the BMW that seems to be a problem, it’s usually everything surrounding the engine, and maybe, just maybe Toyota took care of all of that. I’d honestly be scared of the post warranty period driving this out of the showroom. I haven’t heard a review mention this yet, probably because BMW would stop letting them review cars if they did.

Only thing I wanted was the cockpit from the previous generation Supra. I still love how it was angled to suit the driver. May have to custom build one if I buy this Supra.

i love how honest and mutual these guys are with their opinions. great video

Finally a Toyota with a nice interior, thanks BMW.

Been waiting for this. Quality video guys! Thanks!

I’ve been with you Paul. Todd since your first Video. No one Does it like you two. One wish maybe something to consider..The cars you get to review a little longer discuss the under pinning a little more with the car on a lift. Then the discussion of comparisons and important pieces that make that car what it is or isn’t. Just a thought. AWESOME REVIEW. You have me thinking Corvette for same money as Supra. Hmm

I still don't see why you would go for this when you can get a new M2 or RS3 for around the same price and they both have 400+hp and strong aftermarket.

Holy shit. Thanks for mentioning/shooting the practicality (because everyone is so hyped over how it drives, they've forgotten). That is WAY tighter and less practical than I was expecting. A 50k Toyota that is that impractical.....that's tough. Even for the track enthusiasts, that's not enough space for tires - at least the 86 was big enough for that. So either you have the money for towing/trailer, or you're buying a 50k Toyota to commute in....man. That's a tough pill to swallow. Trying to not get too political, but I think that wages have been too stagnant to justify a limited-practicality 50k car. 40k STi's/GolfR's/etc are helped in that they can be your only car and still be practical, but this? It will be interesting to see how it does on the market.

So happy that the two of you were there to voice your thoughts on the car. With your own money, would you rather buy an M2 or Supra?

I've been a Japanese car guy pretty much my whole life, and I've owned the same Datsun 240Z for almost 40 years now. But when I wanted to get a new sports car, much to my surprise, I ended up buying a 2018 Camaro SS 1LE, and I have zero regrets that I didn't wait for the Supra. My Camaro was $15,000 less than what the Supra will cost here in Canada, but will outperform it in every way!

Your comment about how it looks in different colors is absolutely on point!

It's Actually a modern interpretation of the Toyota GT2000 (2-seater HTop) .... Not a Supra in any way shape or form!

Fwiw i enjoyed seeing you two in the car together....both on the street and the track...you should do that more often ....one of the more enjoyable formats....

I like the BMW climate control panel with real buttons and dials. "Slow" cars are great on that track. I learned to drive my miata there. I commute in Washington DC area traffic with a manual transmission. Too bad the manual is dying off.

I love your advert at the end! Great synopsis of how much you guys actually do!

Where's the manual transmission? Same reason the GTR doesn't have one.

In my eyes it should of been built to compete against the Nissan GTR! Can’t even compare now.....imagine this car chasing a gtr on the Nurburgring lol 😂

Excellent review, Paul and Todd! I was hating on the Supra before it launched, but you guys put the co-development into perspective and now I'm WANTING one. I don't know what the losers who gave this video a "thumbs down" were thinking (or smoking), but it was awesome! Thanks, guys!

Reality I am not happy about collaboration, but Toyota factories are full capacity. I still think they should have built in on their own, or don't bring at all.

I love it. I have absolutely NO complaints about it. I know an awful lot about the collaboration between Toyota and BMW, thanks to you guys and others. I am not disappointed, at all. It doesn't bother me at all that it's a lot of BMW in it. Frankly I'm sick of all the whiners. It's an AWESOME sports car. Embrace it, and be glad companies are still making something other than stupid highway cluttering, maximum disconnectedness boxes. If they bring a manual shift, it should be up-priced from the ZF, and it should have rev-matching, and all the modern awesomeness of the most advanced manuals. Also able to hold twice the power without any breaking.

I wish people would just f*** off on the whole "collaboration" thing. So many cars are combinations of manufacturers / engines / ideas / etc... Ford+Mazda, Audi+VW+Lambo etc... so why is this such a big freaking deal.

Hey guys love the review! You guys mentioned turbo are we talking the 3 liter here? What’s the horsepower? I would think the 370 zx would be a direct competitor for less money even though Nissan hasn’t updated the car for awhile. I am still on the fence whether I like this new Supra on not. I have to say I am happy they built it though, even though the teamed up with bmw. It can be a little depressing the future of cars especially automated cars, electric cars and cars being predominantly automatic. A resurrection of an icon is a great day in the auto world !!!! I can’t wait to see this car on the road! May real Driver’s car exist!!!

Great video. The BMW connection is stronger than I thought it would be, but totally agree that an all Toyota Supra wouldn’t exist! It would be interesting to know what the sales goal is, I’d think 12,000 a year & they’d be ecstatic. One thing that needs to be addressed is the service & parts costs. Both automakers should agree that the cars are subject to their own pricing & Toyota service should be less & only for the Supra. Looks like a great car

That's a strange body kit for a z4

Is the driver from those Sonic commericals?

THANK YOU for FINALLY getting the right angle for a photo of this car, like you did for the thumbnail. I am torn, because the car looks beautiful to me aside from the front bumper cover. I've seen a couple renderings of it with different aftermarket bumper cover designs & it looks a lot nicer. Anyways, always enjoy your guys' content, thanks for such an awesome review!

Love you guys reviews. I hope they bring a 6spd here

Am I the only one that thinks this car just isn't good looking

I prefer the 1993+ Older model

Oh damn, you guys were on the track at Summit Point. Neat!

Great review guys.

I'm very glad Toyota collaborated with BMW to build this. If not, the Supra would probably used the Lexus RC platform... big, heavy, and sluggish.

Let's see... 55,000/5/12 = $917 per month not including interest and other fees... Welp I'm not getting one of these any time soon!

Great job guys! I'm just starting to sift through the Supra Porn. So far, you guys killed it! As a former BMW owner, I will add that as boring as the iDrive/interior of a BMW is, when you're driving your brains out, you realize everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, is exactly where it should be for a driver! I hate to admit that because I was initially turned off by the BMW interior. But, also having owned some Toyotas, they don't kill it on interiors/infotainment systems. So, in the end, I'm glad they paired up with BMW and you guys are awesome!

These guys and Engineering Explained are at the top for logic-based car content