I have a later production date A91 in Nocturnal. Bought brand new with 48 miles two months ago. I did the "proper" break in before throwing on a JB4, MST and AA downpipe. I had the dealership change the oil at 1200 miles. There was no oil loss then and neither now at 3100 miles. I've taken some road trips including TX2k from Louisiana. The car has over 20 data logged pulls and other spirited drives. Keeping my fingers crossed!
@@RobsAutos for sure bro! I will say though, all the hype about a down pipe is true. As long as you’re ok with the CEL, you’ll enjoy it! I’ve splashed in some E85 as well (e40 blend). Night and day difference!
Just putting this out here also "BMW said oil consumption is normal on all engines, and consumption within specifications doesn't mean there's excessive engine wear. The company said some regular BMW motors can consume up to a quart every 750 miles, and M series performance engines can use up to 2.5 quarts per 1,000 miles under certain conditions"
This has been a bit of a heated debate. Because at the end of the day, should a car need 3-4 quarts of oil after less than 2K miles like some owners have experienced? Especially when Toyota is tearing the motors apart and actually finding issues internally and deciding the issue wasn't normal enough to warrant a completely new motor.
They can say all engines consume oil, but the engine in my 87 supra is from a 97 aristo (2jz). I can drive the crap out of it for 10,000 miles and it doesn't leak or burn a DROP of oil. Maybe I got lucky?
I had a GT350 before and a Bullitt. The GT 350s are known for oil consumption issues. Mine was very small, did not need to add between changes. The Bullitt used about a quart between 3000 mile changes. And the harder you drove them the more they used. My Supra, I changed the oil at 1000 miles and it was at the high mark, about 1000 miles into the last change and its still full. It sucks you people having this issue, my point is its not isolated to Toyota Supras.
Driving a 2021 leased M340 that has same engine variant as 2021 supra.. At 6500 miles the iDrive warned of low oil. It was 1qt low. Topped it off and have since had a oil change at around 9000 miles.. I currently have 11,500 miles and oil still full
This is very good information for our Supra’s. My situation at the moment now is that I’m on the process of getting my 2022 CF Supra this week. Brand new and it’s coming from another state. I’m just waiting until it gets off the truck at the dealership. Hey Rob with this information all I can do is just hope and fingers crossed that my 2022 CF Supra doesn’t have oil consumption. I’ll let you know too how my Supra behaves when I pick it up and drive it for a few weeks…
My son car just had this oil issue come up this week. He has an appointment this Saturday with the dealership to have them look at it. He bought a 2021 Supra brand new. Very frustrating to think this is a big problem for so many. It’s a very expensive car! Your video is very informative, thank you for sharing!
I keep sayin, the 2020 motor is the one to get. Toyota tore that motor down prior to approval. The 2021 came out of the new m340 and Z4 without toyotas teardown.
It is worth mentioning, the Z4M and M340 haven't had this issue in as great a capacity. Currently people are suspecting a bad batch and looking at production dates to see if something can be narrowed down.
Thanks for the info ! I have a 2021 and I’ve had to get 4 oil changes and it barely has 5400 miles!!!! Not only that but sometimes the throttle doesn’t work when I start the engine and it turns off the car !!!
Show me any precision machine that is highly reliable and I'll show you a unicorn. Looser tolerances and less precision often lead to higher reliability (think AK-47)
Physical weight has nothing to.do with why a spoiler gets bolted down. Spoilers create weight aka down force ar speed. The bolts are to translate that down force to the chasis... I'm sure the stock spoilers don't make that much down force, but I would hate for that thing to rip off driving down the expressway or on track.
Looking for some advice. My 21 has asked for oil at 1600, 2900 and 4100. The service just topped it off and send me my way telling me it was my sport use problem. They gave me a quart of oil 0w-16 to add for the next time it gives me an oil consumption problem. They didn't even provided me any type of documentation of their work at 4100. I'm starting to feel like they trying my patience now. Any advice on how to follow?
Yeah that’s complete BS. Call corporate and raise a hell storm and make sure they know which dealer. Then personally I’d raise issues with the dealer service themselves as that much oil consumption is ridiculous.
Thank you! I figure that this information should be out there. Especially when people are comparing the 2020 to the 2021 and showing the 2021 isn’t quite the “obvious choice” just because it has more power!
Where did you find the carbon replica of the A91 wing? I have the real version, but I’m getting a new Supra and I don’t want to remove the original due to the screw holes. I need the glue on model.
I've had oil consumption issues 7 times on my 2021 and I've taken it in everytime. I bought it new with 6 miles on it. All they have been doing is adding oil everytime. Toyota hasn't been doing anything even though the mechanic wants to put a new engine in it. They just told me that they are now going to be rebuilding the engine. I'm honestly sick of my car as I have to taken it in so much. I love my supra but I almost feel like I'd be better off with a more reliable car.
My car has needed me to put in a quart 2 times within like 4k miles... who should I try and talk to about either a replacement engine or some sort of fix? Do I go to my dealer or try to somehow contact Toyota in general somewhere?
@@RobsAutos sorry to bother you, one last question. The dealer I bought it from is like 2+ hours away from me now, should I still bite the bullet and try to go there or can I take it to a dealer near me. My first top up I added myself so this would just be a fresh start in a way at a new place.
had the same issue, but it’s because of me constantly driving it on sport mode, changed the oil to 5w30 and never had an issue since. That factory oil is too thin
I had the replacement done on my car. Will that fix the issue? Time will tell. Car runs fine so far. I have about 2k or so on the new engine. I was lucky enough to have a very knowledgeable tech. Won't be keeping the car tho I don't think. Best of luck to you and yours. If you have any questions in regards to the replacement feel free to ask.
@@alexu3 it started around 2k if I'm correct but I added oil myself. Happened again around 3500 miles again added oil myself. It continued to happen. Around 8900 the dealership changed my oil and about 1400 miles later I received low oil notification. So this is when the dealership started tracking as they were concerned since I had returned previously for a top off. At this point it wasn't a national known issue but there was buzz about it within corporate. After about two or three more oil top offs that's when the dealership took my car for engine replacement. It was advised that I didn't drive it so they kept it until the new engine was installed which almost two months to receive
@@lanceratliff8466 dang sorry to hear :c i changed my own oil at 1350 and it said it was still maxed at 1200 when i checked. My 2021's manufacture date was nov/2020. I'm currently at 2000 now but will keep in mind everything everyones saying. thanks!
Ok now I’m nervous I take delivery Wednesday this week here in Texas , be honest please should I bail and wait another year ? I’ve never owned a bmw made car only Ram diesels and a TRD pro 4 runner this is my first sports car and probably last. Just want something dependable and quick now I’m in panic mode they have my money
There really is no indication yet in regards to the motor offerings for 2022. If anything, keep the car stock until around 5-7K miles because that is when it is evident if you will have consumption issues or not and go from there.
@@AntonioPerez-kh1dl Hola, tambien soy de Mexico, a que agencia lo llevaste? yo tambien estoy teniendo el mismo problema y gasta aceite más de lo normal. saludos
Has anyone heard that 2021 Supra needs to have quart of oil added every 750 miles? Universal Toyota advised me today that the “manual requires” a quart of oil every 750 miles. Have looked but can’t find such a reference. Find it hard to believe that a brand new car requires a quart of oil every 750 miles so very very curious. After warning low oil light took it to the dealership and told it was very unusual. Kept it for a couple days and advised the issue had ben elevated. That we needed an oil study. Called today and told we #Toyota advised oil consumption was normal. That I would need to add quart of oil every 750 miles. Anyone else heard this story?
Not taking a gamble waiting till lotus emira comes out Then sell the zupra 2021 for 2023 emira with actual Toyota engine 🤣😂 no more bs bmw issues after that
Yes they have dct I think and not sure I think base price 70-75k usd so not sure might just keep the Supra or trade it in for special edition Supra in the future
@@bman1668 I have to admit. Maybe in 5 years i"d be in the 70-75k market but I just don't want to spend over 55k on a car. I have other priorities and unless I become rich, that's all I got. And the next car would be a 911 targa top or an Aston Martin 2 seater (Vantage) but i know for sure i'd never buy bentley or buggati etc. 145k on a car is enough. Even if a billionaire I dont need a car more expensive than that.....I'd spend that money on my house or giving back charity-wise.
@@supertenor561 yea I though about emira but I think I’ll stick with my Supra just don’t wanna keep spending money to upgrade , I mean is it really upgrade since it’s slower than Supra ? Also with downpipe and tune I can run 10s all day for fraction of the cost . It’s win win I guess
Gotta remember, the 6 cylinder costs at least 60 grand after taxes and fees and It's also only a 2 seater, ans has a lot of other competition in the segment, so it's never gonna be a car that sells in high volume
this shit is so funny. being a fly on the wall of zupra forums right know is a great way to kill time at work. people buy a bmw and are surprised when its unreliable. cant beat german engineering. kek
I wouldn’t, the gen 3 engines have a “bbq tick” sound that almost sounds like piston slap. I just sold my 2019 mustang because some guys have had engines warrantied due to scoring in the cylinder walls.
@@ironmb86 i didn't sell mine because of the BBQ tick, oil consumption, or the crappy MT 82 gear box. The Supra is a much more refined car, and its faster than the manual GT or Bullitt in the quarter, almost double the fuel economy, and looks better.
Thank you for this! Just bought mine a month ago. I'm praying I don't have the same issue. Even if they bought it back from me, I'd still buy another one. I love this car!
Hey Rob, absolutely love the A91 never did care much for the launch edition this is way better let alone the incredible blue. That’s unfortunate about the oil consumption in the 3.0 21 supra my thought for you every time you have the oil changed at the dealer I would have them note that the oil consumption was normal a.k.a. didn’t use any oil between oil changes not handwritten but printed out right on the service sheet and that might even show up on a car fax so at least you’d have proof when you sold it in three or four years or how many years that your engine was unaffected just a thought have a great one👍
I've talked to people at BMW dealership who say the oil consumption is normal for the B58TU 382 hp variant.🤷🏾♂️ My lease M340 needed a quart at 6500 miles
@@cjpp78ytube well of course the dealership is going to say that I think any well-designed engine should not need oil added to it in the stated miles between oil changes I understand that some engines especially high-performance ones May consume oil but more than a quart between oil changes I certainly consider that’s not normal. I’ll pretty much guarantee the 2022 variance of these engines the first thing they’ll say is that the oil consumption problem has been fixed but at the same time never really admitting that the engines before really had an issue. I’ve seen this dozens of times before I myself have a 91 MR2 180000 miles 30 years old I change the oil every 3000 miles end it might use a quarter quart that was 30 years ago the precision of engines today there should not be oil consumption problems especially brand new, five years old 60,000 miles driven hard a quart or so between changes acceptable but then again that really shouldn’t be......l
@@philhenderson3516 now now Phil that’s not very nice it’s not a fake Toyota everyone knew it was a joint venture between Toyota and BMW between the two companies they made a van tastic car there’s no question about it no one should have that kind of trouble buying a brand new car in this day and age but Toyota seems to be doing the right thing by replacing the engine and/or buying back the car still kind of sucks let’s hope they figure out the problem for 2022 models........
@@ttown918 why bitch about a car you probably can’t even afford, if it was a 100 percent fully made Toyota it would be 80 to 120k. This is 50k and many people still can’t afford to buy one. Toyota is developing a 3JZ and the 2JZ wasn’t designed by Toyota that’s a Yamaha engine.
@@uriahbleue1947 Only a dipstick would make assumptions about what others in an anonymous chat forum can and can't afford. What are you 10 years old? This is a comment forum and the subject is a car. Try not to be so butthurt re: opinions different than yours. You're quality of life will probably improve.... There are countless people and data to support the position that BMW's have poor reliability overall. The Supra is essentially a BMW with a different shell and some chassis tweaks. Plenty of people can afford a Supra at $50K, but sales are sparse because of what it is (or isn't).
Yes, i've had oil consumption issues as well but my testing determined that while the oil level was low, it still falls underneath the normal range. So instead of changing every 10k as recommended/advertised, it appears as if mine is needed every 6,500k miles and i'm ok with that... Iplan to upgrade to 2022 3.0 supra in about 6 months.
@@supertenor561did you end up upgrading to the 3.0? Any difference? I’m looking to buy a supra as a daily driver, no track no racing. Maybe exterior mods.
@@carloscarrasco9623 the 2.0 supra handles slightly better but not enough to really tell. I'm not an expert on cars but I noticed it. I have 3.0 (owned for at least a year) and it's definitely worth getting the 3.0 mainly because of how society will put pressure on you to be faster. The 2.0 is just not competitive enough for the cars on the road. As a small car, you need to have superior breaking and better torque to get away from the other drivers. It's a safety issue. Everyone is going to pick on you. Having the 2.0 put you at a disadvantage. You're more likely to get into a wreck from dealing with others on the road in a 2.0 than a 3.0. You have to be able to out perform your avg car or basic nice car on the road. Once u purchase your car. You will see what I'm talking about on the road. It's not as bad as when the supra was brand new so some of the excitement has died down but you still have these haters & ridiculous folk on the road. Get the 3.0!! if you can afford it.
My 2021 supra is having the same problem oil consuming. First time taking to Toyota dealer for oil change and now same issue oil consuming is back to low.
Mine asked me for a quart of oil at 10k miles, I just poured it in and took it to my dealership for a proper oil change but never mentioned what happened to them. Thanks for the tip!
@@EddyX24 So far, no issues. I put lots of miles on it because I'm far for work and only did the oil change 2 months ago. Pretty sure it'll happen again.
So I've got the same ride. A91 in refraction and was lucky enough to get it with the spoiler. I haven't had any oil checks come back with low oil and have put almost 2k miles on the car. I'm kind of curious how many other 2021 Supras have had the same issues you're mentioning. I'm definitely beyond the break-in period and haven't been in to change the oil, but it's on my list of things to do. Have you seen the papadakis tear down of the motor? I believe the head either doesn't use gaskets or had just a layer of silicone between the parts and I'm wondering if that's contributing as well. I can't remember exactly what it was, but I remember thinking to myself "how well then how does it's seal?". Additionally I wonder if that causes the need for a longer break in period? Just thoughts from a worried A91-er
Hello! Always happy to meet other owners! There have been quite a few 2021’s with the issue. Probably every time I am on the Facebook groups I see one new person talk about it. (I do recommend joining the a91 refraction blue group!) Unfortunately this is why I’m refraining from doing more than a catback for now. I don’t want to do anything that may lead to warranty issues.
My 2021 has about 8k on it and ive taken it in for low oil 2 times and the light came back on this morning 1700 miles after an oil change, Advisor and tech at my dealer says its still "under inspection"
eeew BMW..so wen you people have a issue with the Supra..do you take it to a BMW dealership or Toyota?? 🤣🤣..Im waiting for the new Z and if I happen to fancy a BMW Supra I'll wait till they are at the junk yards because people couldn't afford to fix them after warranty
I wanted a new supra but bcuz of the oil issues and too low a ground clearance getting stuck in the snow. I am not buying one unless they can fix these problems.
If im desperate, i would email Toyota Japan Chief and ask them for an exchange the same car and ask them to take the car to diagnose in and out the problem and improve the next model.
First 1,200 miles, keep it under 4k, and no full throttle. Try to vary engine speed while driving as well. After that, gradually increase to full throttle and higher revs over time.
@@KevinKJohn the dealership told me 100 miles below 60 and full throttle after that zzz I've spoke with some people and they said there's not really a break in period for these type of cars
My 2021 with a build date of 03/20 is down 1/2 quart at 2,600miles.(4,000kms) I did the proper break in procedure, and always take it easy until the car is up to temp.
@@akikoulouris7489 I avoided short trips with the car. I made sure I drove it for a minimum of 30 minute intervals. I kept the rpms below 4,000. I was sure not to be too light on the car, but not to put the car under heavy loads for the first 1,200 miles. I stayed away from the major highways. Using cruise control during break in is a bad idea.
@@jaydevries1020 another thing is I’m about to get my 3.0 premium this week and now I’m nervous cause I don’t want to fill up oil every 1500 miles. Is this a common issue or is it rare.
@@akikoulouris7489 The BMW's with the same engine are having consumption issues as well. I would check your oil after about 2,500 - 3,000 miles. Most people's oil light will come on on average at the 3,700 mile mark. These engines are known to burn oil during break in. I'm currently at 3,400miles (5,600kms) and I'm just waiting for the light to come on. The last green bar is remains on my vehicle status info screen. Most high horsepower BMW's(B58 Supra's) burn oil. The reason is the new friction reducing rings, and thinner oil being used. Some oil will be burnt because of the turbo charger. As long as you don't burn anymore than 1 litre per 1,500 miles, you will be fine. I read a really good article on why some modern engines consume oil, and it made me feel a bit better about the situation. I'll try to send you a link to a youtube video that helped me out a lot.
2021 Supra 3.0 Prem. 1300 miles. Just changed the oil as I like to use the factory oil as break in. But no issue on oil comsumptiom. Hope not as I love this car.
My supra has brake issues, when i try to park the car and use full brakes, then slightly let brakes go it has that awful scratching noise. Went to Toyota they can't fix it and said it s normal