I don't like cars, and I don't even enjoy driving anymore. Why do I subscribe and enjoy every SG video? To know how to act around baristas, and for the music recommendations.
I like cars, and I enjoy driving. Analog feeling over premium interior and tech. Geese is the most entertaining, highest quality yet mostly no bs(they have to appeal to gm somehow ;D) show.
I learned during the lockouts that I still love driving, but I hate driving with people. Just too many idiots on the road. Having like 1/3 of the amount of drivers on the road was a blessing.
Me too. Although I used to enjoy the overt cynicism of Turbowski (RIP) this show -much like the new civic - seems to have grown up and strike the right balance with finesse.
Remember when the Civic was Honda's small car? So many models keep getting larger and larger, then the manufacturer needs to introduce a new model that is the size the jacked-up model used to be.
Honda tech, so I've been in a few of these already. The interior is fantastic. Did away with all the problems I had with the 10th gen. Very easy to use all the controls. Mechanically, it appears to be almost identical to the 10th generation with a couple of minor changes. The biggest difference I can tell is that there's way more open air in the engine bay, which should make things easier to work on. First car I've been able to see the ground through in a long time (if there wasn't a splash shield in the way). All in all, I like them. Big improvement over the 10th gen.
The comparison to the Mazda 3 is so fitting. It just goes to show that you don’t need to completely rebrand yourself as a ‘premium’ brand to get a nice looking and handling vehicle that doesn’t forget what its main purpose at this price point should be: to be useful and efficient while still engaging. Sure, the 3 probably has better steering feel, but regardless of how much you want your car to reflect your ‘lifestyle’, its hard to argue with a real trunk and actual space for people, something the 3 totally forgot. The hatchback versions of these vehicles makes the discrepancy between the two even more vast.
An affordable car is one that an average person can afford in less than a months salary, Not an entire years salary. People are so delusional when it comes to debt these days...
I'm driving this as a lease and after around 700 miles it's been a joy. It handles well and with the 1.5T CVT it is incredibly smooth. The ride is soft and the controls are excellent. It feels sporty but not harsh. So far I would really recommend this.
@@jaysson1151 I’ve driven for 5 hours straight in it and my butt did end up hurting, but I think that’ll be the case for most cars in this price range after that long.
@Fly Fishing Is Life the long videos that savagegeese has done like for the miata and LFA are far above anything from throttle house. I watch TH but the geese is on another level.
I wouldn't hold my breath. People geeked out over the fact that the 10th gen came with a manual. But in reality it was undrivable. It was shit. Horrible rev hang all the time. Refused to rev up when attempting to heel and toe. It's a lazy ass engine, choked by emissions crap.
@@ast5515 Recent BMW manual shifting with rev-matching you can turn on or off is inspiring. I expect Hondata, Cobb, and other tuners can address rev hang or other issues with the Civic.
@@Affalterbach1967 Last I heard disabling rev hang also takes out cruise control. Not sure if they fixed that since, I completely lost interest in the 10th gen. Some countries fuck you as soon as they find anything aftermarket in your car. Tuning was never an option for me. It either drives fine out of the box or it's a shitty car.
Indeed i have not had a Honda since my 1998 Honda prelude that i got new.. and just got the new 2022 civic.. and this car reminds me of late 90s Honda’s low.. clean.. sporty to drive.. and just simple..
@@brianreardon7700 this is awesome to read! My older cousins all still compliment their Preludes of that time period. I’m 21. I was considering this new Civic, but I bought a 21’ Mazda CX-5 at the end of June. I travel and wanted some features that the Civic Touring doesn’t offer, such as Lumbar in the driver seat and also ventilated seats and Heads Up Display. I spent about $4000.00 more than I had budgeted for a Civic. I’m glad you are enjoying your new Civic. It’s good to hear that Honda is doing good things.
Am I the only one who watched the first 30 seconds and said...that's an Accord!? Cars are depressingly huge now (as a former owner of a '00 Civic Si). Styling looks great, though, inside and out.
Yes completely agree all new cars fat pigs and will continue until people stop buying them. Year after year people want more space, ride quality, quieter, ect so we're are F'd
Fit, City & especially Brio are the compact Hondas now, not to mention the N-One Kei car! :) I guess the Brio is not sold in North America because of the lack of profitability on such a small car and lack of buyer interest from North American buyers -- it's more targeted to the Indian and SE Asian markets. I guess Honda don't think the North American market would be interested in something as small as the Honda N-One with its 58hp 660cc either.
as a current owner of a 10th gen Civic, this 11th generation really improves in most areas. It’s another step upmarket. If Honda were further ahead with their electrification I would absolutely buy this Civic however, I live in Iceland where you can effectively only buy hybrid and full electric cars, so I have probably already bought my last Honda. If I end up in a Tesla or something similar, I will miss the ergonomics, the physical controls that Honda do so well.
If you care about fit and finish, don’t get a Tesla. Look up Car Craft Auto Detailing on YT and see his inspection of a Model 3. Total horseshit quality compared to even…a Nissan. Honda won’t disappoint you in any manner similar to the aforementioned.
Agree 100% with everything. I think the Mazda 3 has better styling inside and out, and is much faster (with the turbo motor, anyway), and gets a "normal" (albeit old-school 6-speed) automatic transmission. But the Honda has a ton more room inside, gets better fuel economy, and gets an honest-to-goodness independent rear suspension. Furthermore, the infotainment in the Honda is a touchscreen, whereas the Mazda forces you to only use their center console knobs. Yes, the Mazda can be had with AWD, but to me, that's just more weight and complexity - I've not had an issue with running dedicated winter tires on a FWD car for nearly the past 20 years. I'd say a head-to-head comparison is definitely warranted.
I mostly agree, although I will say that Mazda's infotainment knob is intuitive enough that you really don't miss reaching out to use a touchscreen. I actually prefer the knob over touchscreen as it tends to make more ergonomic sense while driving. Furthermore, most people who shop in this segment don't know, nor care, about independent rear vs torsion beam suspension. Honda does beat out the 3 in terms of interior space, storage capacity, and fuel efficiency, but I think the rest is splitting hairs.
@@jasonharris996 Valid arguments. My wife has a Mazda CX-5, and to be truthful, we use the "commander" knob in the center console the majority of the time. Side benefit to the 3 not having a touchscreen for infotainment - no fingerprints! As far as the rear suspension, if I'm being honest, the way I drive, I probably wouldn't notice the difference either.....
But the Honda Civic is one of the most reliable vehicles on the planet if you want something reliable to Toyota Corolla Toyota Camry in Honda Civic we're going to last longer than the Mazda 3
Matthew Fuller, I like the Mazda 3 for the many positives you describe, but I just can't get past the exterior styling of the current generation. It looks to me like the sides have been caved in by someone kicking them. A neighbor has one in black, which looks great at night when that caved-in look is less noticeable, but that still wouldn't work for me.
I now own the 2022 civic touring. Maybe a controversial opinion but this is like the iPhone of cars. It’s so intuitive, so many amazing convenience features, and it just feels like it was made for you. I find that the adaptive cruise control is basically like having auto-pilot. Just such a nice car
@@WhiteLivesMatterPL me too. Because I had a mechanic friend that was just as cynical and jaded as turbowski was. Plus car makers need to be called out for the bs they put in cars nowadays
Really love this redesign. A lot of people hate the exterior look but I don’t think it’s that bad and the new interior is much improved. Good work Honda.
@@zupinu2000 Thanks for the GREAT question👍🏼. Most likely, but as usual, Honda is going to hold it, most likely for 6 LONG months or at a least after they release the SI model. I hate that game, but I guess is a good marketing strategy type of thing for them. 🤷🏻♂️
Dude they are getting so big! I have a 2017 Sonata and am currently renting a 2021 Elantra while my Sonata is in the body shop. The first thing I thought when I first sat in the Elantra was "holy shit this thing is huge!"... Like legit bigger than my 4 year old full size sedan. 🤯🤯
I like when they said "the tried and true 1.5 T" Isn't that the very same engine that suffered oil dilution issues due to blowby? I like the channel but they are a bit too biased in Hondas favor sometimes lol
@Nomen Clature and even if they know what four cylinders are they automatically assume better gas mileage... No matter what vehicle from a f****** Tacoma to a civic lol.
I love it. I like that it got bigger and it’s like a family sedan for the occasional time the whole family is in the car. I test drove it today and it’s so smooth. I don’t really care about the sportiness, but it just feels so good to drive. The lane keep is amazing - like literally just works. I do wish they added even more room in the back by making the trunk smaller. It looks great in my opinion - very mature. I feel the hatchback looks more sporty, so good for that if you want it.
These honestly look perfectly fine in person. I've seen a couple since they've started to go on sale in my area. Both black. I like these more than the freakish design of the prior. It's refreshing to see a Honda with a DIFFERENT face on it, period. Every single model besides this one wears the same front end and it's not even a good looking front end 🤣 Interior blows the old out of the water
@@johnfranklin5277 it's just not but some people just can't see stuff like that. I guess. I once had my buddy with me at a Nissan dealership and I was pointing at a 2018 Nissan Maxima and a 2018 Nissan Altima side by side, both were facing us, and he said they look the same. The Accord front end looks far busier than the Civic to me. Now if you said the side profile, I'd agree with you. From the side they look practically identical
The Mazda 3 speaks to me much more but its almost impossible to look past this new Civic, seems extremely well rounded. With so many great choices in the compact/not-so-compact car segment I find it disappointing they're still being snubbed in favour of stilted SUVs
@@brolyvi1211 Yeah you're definitely right. I just wonder though, with the vehicles everyone drives getting bigger the energy that has to be absorbed in a crash scales as well... Without too much thought put into it I'd expect the severity of your average accident to be way worse vs if everyone just drove a normal car
Do you guys anticipate doing a review or at least a mini-test of the 2.0L Sport Hatchback 6MT? Or even the 2.0L sedan would be amazing. I feel from a long term reliability standpoint, that’s the way to go. Port fuel injection is a huge plus without having to deal with carbon buildup on the valves.
An appliance vehicle for the masses, at an entry level price point that will fit in a modest family monthly budget. It's a Honda and they will sell all they make.
What will those buy that don’t belong to the masses? My wealthy best friend just bought a Volvo S90 Recharge Inscription- it was about $60k. And me, well I’m part of the masses and leased a new Mazda CX-5 Turbo w/AWD. My other best friend who is a doctor now picked up a 2 year old Range Rover.
I was struck by the title of this video. As I've watched/read reviews of the new Civic it occurred to me that self-styled "enthusiasts" underestimate the challenge of designing a car like this. Especially if it's to be sold in a variety of national markets, some with consumers obsessed with SUVs and others where a sedan is still a family's default choice. First and foremost it has to be affordable with an MSRP that tops out around $30K and with operating costs that won't put a serious dent in the monthly budget. It has to be an accommodating daily driver as well as longer distance road "tripper" with room for four (or in a pinch five) passengers and their luggage/gear. Not likely to be leased and discarded after 3 years, it should look good (not out of date) and run well six or more years down the road, retaining as much value as possible when it is replaced. If a consumer's politics or economics make fuel economy the most important priority a hybrid, PHEV, or an EV version may be a worthwhile option but even the much larger group of consumers who still opt a conventional ICE vehicle may find that big large figure on a window sticker to be a critical factor in a showroom. A one or two mpg advantage may not pencil out as a big savings but it still matters, especially to those who find arithmetic a challenge. That makes an automaker's selection of a CVT for vehicles in this category understandable, especially if its is relatively transparent. Most consumers won't care whether it's a CVT, a torque converter, or a dual clutch transmission as long as they don't have to deal with three pedals. Stop light drag races, much less track performance, don't matter to potential customers of these vehicles, either. But "peppy" performance, especially for passing is. Acceleration from 0-60 mph is far less crucial than from 50 to 70 mph. What does matter are driver assistance and safety aids, especially if combined with digital eye candy. If cost cutting is required in less noticeable areas or such amenities are used to tempt customers to select a higher trim, that's OK as long as the MSRP doesn't seriously exceed the $30K ceiling. Put it all together and the new Civic sedan is a very strong entry and a notable accomplishment in this vehicle category. The exterior styling is more "conservative" than the last generation. It will age well, I think, and that makes it appealing both to new car buyers and likely in terms of resale value down the line. For fuel misers, the base engine exceeds the magic 40 mpg bar (highway) and the more powerful 1.5L turbo in the Touring trim is no slouch at 38 mpg. Interior space is especially generous both in the back seat and in the trunk. All in all, the interior is strikingly upscale with a minimalist vibe. The entire sedan market segment (all sizes) is shrinking, especially in North America, but the Civic looks well positioned to fight off rivals from Korea and elsewhere.
Great post but Hondas are overpriced due to zero dealer discounts. Zero manufacturer cash rebates and zero dealer discounts. Plus they force you to pay dealer markup and for dealer installed accessories. I would much rather buy the 2022 Corolla.
@@braetonwilson4296 Different strokes for different folks but if you're correct that Toyota offers rebates and dealer discounts that aren't available for the Civic the reason is simple -- the greater popularity of the Honda. It's very difficult to escape the iron law of supply and demand.
Thanks for this review. I haven't owned a car since 1988 (really!). After 27 years in NYC, the wife and I've moved back to my native California and I'm shopping a car. The hatchback version of this new Civic is my frontrunner. Sedan of same is close behind, though! This review is very encouraging.
American Manufacturers: we can build a safe reliable fuel efficient subcompact sedan or coupe with low maintenance costs American Consumer: no thanks, I want a the oversized soccer mom rig
@@debrisbit i should have been more descriptive, I apologize for my wording. My close circle refuses to buy anything non American made, and they can't comprehend that honda is more American made than gm ... Have a super awesome day 😎
@@redwineisfine well the asian brands dont have the overhead detroit does with unionized labor. Same for Tesla. I find it surprising the big 3 have stayed in business.
the buttons are important. When Honda tried to change the volume up/down rotating button with a touch button, many people found it difficult to use and it was glitchy, so Honda went back to the old style rotating button which is just perfect.
Too bad you can't get this in manual in this form, but after seeing it in the wild, looks much more mature this go around. Looking forward to see how the Si and R will look and drive down the line.
This for me, really really brings back old school Honda. I really wasn't a fan of what they were doing between 2015 and now, this brings it back to where it should be
Truly a awesome car, I had no issues with my 2016 EX-T black midnight burgandy pearl. It hauled or family of 4 on many trips from northern Ontario to Toronto around 7.5 hours trip and do it in mostly 6 hrs with stops, and had lots of fun while achieving over 700km on one tank.
For cars like this, I feel like real-world mpg would be really useful information to include in your reviews. Sometimes it's not even close to the EPA numbers, especially the highway numbers since I think they still only test at 55 mph. Better fuel economy is probably the biggest reason why people should buy this over, for example, the HR-V for the same money (since the average customer doesn't care so much about driving dynamics), but it's something you rarely talk about.
I get a feeling it's a hard figure for them to provide as they admit driving like jackasses, leading to inconsistent comparisons. There are other channels out there that do this in a more controlled manner.
He does talk about it in some videos. I think it’s a fair point, but I recall another video where he said even driving like a jackass he got something like 30 mpg (forget the car atm). This channel is very clearly focused at enthusiasts, and cover cars that apply to people at different stages of their lives. That being said, fuel economy isn’t unimportant, but the dynamics, serviceability, engine options etc are a lot more on the mind of the target viewer.
If I can remove the 2022 giant center console, which crushes the knees of my 6"5" frame, and insert the tiny, low profile console of my 1999 Civic EX, I'm sold. I'd like to meet the person who decided we only need a knee-box xy inches wide and everyone else must suffer. Because we could figure this out 20+ years ago with minimalist consoles that still held two drinks and a phone...
I think you should be looking at a different size car. I’ll tell you what... the most comfortable “car” I’ve ever driven is actually a truck. I’m 6’3, some small cars I can fit in but for the longer rides are not comfortable. My 2003 Silverado is super comfy, my 2010 grand marquis is aswell but the dash feels to close. The 2009 Mercedes C300 is actually good but on those 3-4 hour rides to Vegas it starts to suck towards the end. It just sucks having big legs lol. My buddy had the new Supra at his shop, I didn’t even bother trying to imagine trying to squeeze in that thing.
The low profile part makes the most difference in this case because the hip room is 4.3” wider in the 2022 than the 1999. Of course, you were rubbing elbows with your passenger then, and no Twinkie storage either.
Got a 2008 Civic and that is the definition of an econo-box interior. Although it now has 280,000 miles and the most money spent on it was when the key wore out and had the ignition rebuilt... Really says something when the key is the first thing to wear out.
Congrats on 500,000 Subs dude you deserve it. I've been subscribed for a long time and I've seen your steady climb, you totally deserve it. Here's to 1 Million!
Honda: OK, we'll tame the wild / samurai design of the 10th Gen and go with a more conservative, boring look in the 11th with that horrible "tablet-on-dash" ! People: Nooo... Not like that !
@Boorock70 omg! I thought for a second that I was the only one who think that honda just killed the civic reputation of being a sport juvenile car and now is a old boring and from my perspective ugly car. Even the seats look very boring, and the dash with clicking sound and honeycomb mesh looks very old. Where is the innovation?
@@JB-kz4hi same i hate road noise. I want nothing, no heated seats, no sunroof, no leather. I just want quite car . Now i am wondering if camry LE is also missing sounding deadening compared to xle or xse . Or accord lx vs ex etc
@@JD-ey8hw I've seen specs flying around suggesting the Sport AND the Sport Touring both will get manual. Sport with a 2.0L and Sport Touring with 1.5L.
It is mentioned in the review, repeatedly, that this Civic - "at least, the Touring model" - is quiet. But now that many have bought this Civic Touring, I'm seeing references to loud cabin/road noise. Some have swapped tires for supposedly-quieter models, to little avail. I'm wondering if there's a remedy, without removing seats and carpeting to apply more insulation, or the silly idea of blasting the sound system to camouflage the noise (or buying a Mazda 3 instead)?
I got my son a sport a yr ago and it’s wonderful for him. I dont know if he will want a sedan next time, but these are great cars. Thanks for this great review! Love your work!💕😎
@@darnellc7276 I drove the 2.0 XSE it felt like every other CVT it wasn’t really that different to the average consumer they probably wouldn’t even notice
It's a year until we get these in the UK but I think it's absolutely a promising package. Love the interior and the prospect of extra refinement, also very happy that it does not look like a freakshow. I can see this selling in masses. And when they come to the Type R, I hope they do a more refined and luxurious high performance version as well as the all-out sporty number. There's a big unmet demand for a refined, unobtrusive super-reliable compact car that can still haul ass even on poor quality country roads.
i would hope they did, but for some reason i kinda doubt they changed it edit: wait nvm there was actually updates to the engine, so i guess only time will tell
Not actually fixed but they addressed it incorrectly in colder states with a tweak to fuel/air mixture, most people complaining of dilution say the tweak did nothing to solve the problem
@@hlfbrwnhlfamzng I know about the "fix" but there's no way they can fix it with software change since it's a design flaw. I was expecting they would change the design
Facts. Hondata dyno’d the 11th gen 1.5T and did find it had less power than the 10th gen version. The previous gen was getting ~180 whp and 200 hp at the crank. The 11th gen is seeing 164 whp and maybe 180 hp at the crank. I have no idea what Honda decided to nerf it, but the fact the same engine now runs on 87 octane may be the culprit. Maybe they figured their customers didn’t like paying for premium at the pump, so they detuned it.
They could but then no one would buy new cars from them for 10 years. And since basically only the North America buys US cars...yeah...you see the problem.
domestic brands will never die since they always make deals with government/rental fleets, if they wanna get rid of the unsold cars, they just make a huge sale with $0 down and 0% interest, resale value is non-existent, basically disposable cars...
@@m00hk00h basically yea, but GM (Buick) is also tremendously popular in China. Many brands have started gaining traction on sales in other countries, it’s really hard for a corp to just go insolvent overnight lol
@@m00hk00h for a Corp like GM, it comes down to how to expand with their asset and cash globally, but not how to improve products they actually sell lol 😂
When a 17 yr old driver failed to yield and did an illegal left turn from a parking lot right into my son’s 2014 Honda Crosstour on the main road, totaling it. The only car my son was interested in getting to replace it was the 2022 Honda Civic Hatchback Sport, since it looked exactly like his Crosstour, albeit 16 inches shorter lengthwise, an I4 instead of a V6, the same cargo space inexplicably, even more electric bells and whistles, and way better MPG.
Honda are the People's champion they must listen to their customers as you said they've dulled the exterior down but so looking forward to the sport and a Type R, the interior looks looks interesting again and like my fn2 type R it should be a nice place to be in. This is the Accord that we lost in Europe thank god we're actually getting this one, Civic love😍👊
