Lots of new Taco videos out this morning. So the first stop had to be the two dudes whose automotive opinion I trust the most. From the moment I saw y'all throwing deli meats into a door trim panel I knew -- these guys are no bullshit, straight shooters.
Word. When embargoes drop, I want the Savagegeese big brain scoop, not some clickbaiter talking around the exterior for 15 minutes, praising it like they work for the manufacturer, and filming a quarter mile run in it.
Toyota is marketing these turbo trucks hard! Why? Because these are the trucks that ABSOLUTELY NOBODY asked for! Do you want a smaller more complicated engine that's also ridiculously expensive to repair and maybe half as reliable as the previous gens? Oh and they will throw in nearly the same MPG as last years model for free. These are Toyotas equivalent of the Ford Mustang II.
@@uploderpilot sounds like if you want a new midsize truck, you'll be buying a Frontier and nothing else. The world has moved on. We figured out how to make turbo engines reliable. These new trucks make more torque at 1700rpm than the old wheezy V6 made at 4600rpm. They function way better at high altitude. There's plenty of positives, which is why every mdsize truck maker that has money (so, not Nissan who updated the V6 on their 2005 truck) went turbo. Don't yell at the clouds over it.
The 2.7 might be Toyota's most reliable current engine. Many longtime Toyota techs say they've never seen an 08 and up 2.7 torn apart. Might need a head gasket and water pump before it hits 200k miles but that's about it
This new 2.4 base engine turbo should be fine. The Hybrid Max system however, is still brand new, it was just released 1 year ago. The potential repair costs for that thing will be way more expensive than a regular Prius.
@@andrewgus8763where the fuck are you getting that from? It’s a nickel metal hydride battery which Toyota has proven to be reliable in older hybrids, the electric motors will also be fine, so what exactly are you saying 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@bigchimpin4215it’s not a totally new engine. it’s been kicking around for a couple of years already in the Lexus NX and RX, as well as some Toyota SUVs
I thought the new Tundras looked ok until I saw one in person. The headlights are really small looking and about 80% of the front end isn't body color, regardless of trim. The ratio of unpainted, injection molded plastic or that chain-link silver design is just too much for the little amount of body color on that front end.
While I don’t like the huge grill, at least that grill is 100% used for cooling. When you look inside that whale-shark gaping maw, you can see it’s packed full of coolers and condensers. Just don’t get into a fender bender, because that can quickly go from just a body shop appointment to replacing the turbo cooling system.
As the owner of a manual 3rd gen TRD Sport, I'd absolutely love to see more content on the manual trans TRD models. 4 cylinder turbo doesn't bother me, the torque increase sounds like a worthwhile trade. Also like the coil spring rear suspension. Rear disks are nice from an easier maintenance perspective I suppose, but I've never had a problem with the braking on my 2nd or 3rd gen Tacomas. And my back wheels are always clean 😁. I can see a manual TRD Sport 4th gen in my future, after I wait a few years for Toyota to work the new model bugs out. As I always do, GM taught me that lesson in 1993 with the Camaro.
Folks tend to forget that this isn’t the first time Toyota has put a turbo’d 4 cylinder in their truck. I have faith that Toyota has done it’s due diligence to make this a reliable truck but only time will tell. Killer video as always yall!
Like the look. !! Had many Tacomas. .working. them hard. Yes. OVERLOADED and loved them in snow. NEVER had a problem. I hope reliably is there. It's time to upgrade 😊😊😊😊
I bought a 2023 Tacoma 9 months ago, it has been a great truck. I got the 2023 knowing the new one was coming. I figured that if the new Tacoma was all that much better, I could wait a couple more model years for them to shake out any bugs and then trade in. I'm reasonably sure it will be fine. By then, all the me first buyers will be gone and you might be able to buy one for a decent deal.
I’ve got a manual TRD Sport+ on order and my anticipation is building, and so far it I’m optimistic. It looks like Toyota hasn’t fucked it up and vastly improved everything I wanted and needed (mostly ergonomics because tall). Cheers for addressing the manual, I’m glad it’s not a point of complaint.
There seems to be a lot to like about this new model. Not a fan of the megasized screen, but appreciate that Toyota has retained the physical controls.
The T24 I think will be a solid motor; it's largely based off the a25 which is in everything. That and Toyota is actively listening to consumers, which is stellar compared to honda and others who ignore problems unless a lawsuit comes across their desk. I have a highlander with the 2.4 and was having issues with hesitation and surging. Toyota listened, and within a few months, a new ECU revision was released and it fixed 95% of the issue. Everyone else said the same thing with the 4.0 going away in favor of the 3.5 - oh it's questionable reliability, especially with D4-S which was new at the time - take a look. One of the best v6s that were made within the last decade or so. No doubt they're not going to risk their reputation on it's replacement when their customer base was borderline brainwashed into thinking 'turbo bad'
Toyota is also one of the last holdouts for shoving turbo engines in passenger vehicles. I'd like to think that means they have spent time in R&D before pushing out a compliance product like other manufacturers.
I would like to agree with you, but forced induction is more than just a new engine design. The tundras have been having engine issues with the new 3.5 turbo. It’s not that simple I’m afraid.
@@KubanKevin the first batch was because they used some stupid electronic waste gates. T24 is all old school vacuum lines and stuff that's been around since the 90s. Just like some of the best forced inductions arguably made to this point in time, the 1/2JZ's which were from the same exact company coincidently
To be honest. I just want to see the base Tacoma. I know the TRD and high trims are more exciting, but we´ve been using the Tacoma as a work truck so I just want to know how that looks, feels, rides, equipment, and things that may lack compared to the competition.
It will be like the Limited trim of the 4Runner and the 200 series Land Cruiser. It has a lockable, limited slip Torsen center diff with a two-speed transfer case. Having owned a 4th gen 4Runner and a 200 series, I can tell you that the full time 4wd works very well. With the center diff unlocked the system is unnoticeable in normal driving but gives great traction in slippery condition. When you go off-road just lock the center diff.
People who are interested in this truck should seriously consider the all new Nissan Frontier. Much cheaper price point, better-sounding & reliable V6, all the technology bells and whistles, along with subjectively better looks. I own a loaded PRO-X from the very few first batches Nissan produced and can’t be happier (apart from some minor electric issues).
Nice! Much like the Ford Maverick, I suspect that getting one will be like pulling teeth, and that the waiting list will be so long that by the time you actually get it you'll already be salivating over something else.
Unlike the Maverick, this is a cash cow for Toyota, and they make something like 200k+ a year. Should only be supply limited for the first few months. Not too many people are fighting to buy at these interest rates.
@@thatoneotherotherguy I agree. But the Maverick could also have been a cash cow for Ford had they anticipated demand, and ramped up production accordingly. They really dropped the ball with the Maverick, and many customers who were interested in it and may have bought one, eventually moved on to something else due to the mark-ups and lack of availability. Ford fumbled the roll-out, and have yet to recover.
First new vehicle I ever owned was a 2001 Tacoma TRD Off-Road 4x4. Loved it. Such a great truck. Today I drive a 37 Raptor but not gonna lie.. this new Taco brings back the vibes. .. it would have fit much better though the trails we did last weekend that gave the Raptor some pinstripes. Nice work Toyota.
Jack can hold his own with the big boys as he's a mechanical engineer in his own right. With respect to the new 4 cylinder, you folks do realize that it's Toyota we are talking about right? I believe Toyota knows something about building reliable four cylinder engines.
I bought a 2000 Tacoma V6 3.4L MT TRD Off Road access cab brand new and I have driven that truck for almost 23 years. It has 379,452 miles as of right now when writing this comment. I tried buying the current generation two years ago but they shortened the cab height and my 6 foot 1 inch frame kept hitting my head when I tried to get into it on the A-pillar. I had maybe 2 inches of clearance. It was ridiculous. So, I put about $8,000 into my truck (nearly half of what I paid for it brand new) in 2021 to keep her going. She is doing great. Original transmission and engine still, but I am ready to get a new Tacoma. This new model specifically the TRD Sport (I must have a manual trans) is what I am eyeing and I cannot be more excited. I am going to wait for the second model year knowing the first model year is going to have some issues, but I credit Toyota in what they have done with this new truck.
Toyota really needs to make a Maverick competitor. The Tacoma has now beome a toy for the wealthy. Most current Tacomas I see online hover in the 40k range. These are supose to be the affordable car brands. Yet they keep forgetting the category of consumers that made them what they are and no one is taking their place.
Well, i finally got a TRD Sport with Premium package. The Tacomas you can’t find easily now are the ones with Premium package. Toyota may actually know what people want and will pay for. Sucks so expensive but people are speaking with their wallets and orders.
Toyotas recent vehicles have been knocking it out of the ballpark. The Grand highlander, Tacoma, Land Cruiser, the sister lexus GX, and Sequoias all have been AMAZING vehicles which can’t stay on dealer lots for more than 3 days.. their only complaints on the new generations are reliability, but that’s all speculation and with Toyotas past ability to make technological advances and have zero issues I trust these will be just fine
@@austinfrazier7325 this is very true...one thing they don't tell you on these videos... Granted not all dealers do markups but still you will most likely not get it at that price.
considering getting a new Tocoma, or looking into a used one. I noticed nobody seems to be posting comments since this videos release. I wanted to say thank you for making this video, its helping with my decision.
I had a '17 TRD Sport previously. My god was that thing annoying to drive - especially in traffic. The drivetrain was truly bad. Very much agree with it having to hunt for gears, revving up to 5k to go from 0 - 10 mph in first gear, etc. Really happy to hear that they've made great improvements to an almost perfect truck.
Great review as always. I watched the deep dive when you guys were in Hawaii. The new Tacoma seems like they've fixed majority of the previous gen issues. Loved the off-road bit too! The music was fun, reminded me of a happy scene from lord of the rings or something 🤣.
Really hoping Subaru will take notes here for their new Brat. You got to love that Toyota is bringing out all these turbo motors and even keeping the manual transmissions!
Joining the Taco fan fest with my two cents: Just caught the review and I'm torn between nostalgia for my old Tacoma and excitement for the new one! 😄 The fully boxed frame and rear disc brakes sound like a dream, but I'll miss the character of the older models. Can anyone with hands-on experience weigh in on how the 4 cylinder turbo feels compared to the old screamers? Also, hats off to Toyota for keeping the manual option - it's like a rare gem these days! Curious about the hybrid model's performance though, especially for off-roading and towing. Any insiders got the scoop? #TacomaTransformation 🚗💨
I hope Toyota knows just how reliability is going to weigh into who might purchase these trucks. The frontier is a tempting option because it still has a V6, but I think Toyota knows that and has (hopefully) tortured this 4 cylinder beyond recognition to ensure it works well
I agree. I would still wait a year if I was buying one of these for teething issues to be resolved. I know the Tundra had issues that took it off many must buy lists from various outlets.
If the v6 turbo tundra is any clue , it's not nearly as reliable as the ol v6 , parts availability and price is going to be astronomically higher than the 3.5l . Love the look, love the seating position, but it sounds terrible and not nearly the power gain I was hoping for. I drove it yesterday in sr5 trim.
A couple things to address. 1st~The 2.4 motor has been around for a very long time so as far as getting any kinks out of the motor, they should have everything ironed out by now because they’ve been using the same motor for so long. 2nd~Everyone complaining about the V6 being gone hasn’t talked to the OG 22RE owners who have been boosting that motor for years now. Yes the 22RE is bulletproof but the concept of putting a turbo 4 cyl in a Tacoma or 4Runner should be a welcomed update.
@@nastysoda9212as a whole, id have to disagree. Slapping a turbo on a na engine, sure your comment is true. But engines nowadays, for the most part, are designed around the turbo. Its not the same as slapping a turbo on a na engine…
@@nastysoda9212 not necessarily depends how much psi you’re trying to add. Tons of people have boosted junkyard Chevy 5.3s and made good lower. Even on smaller cars if you’re not trying push crazy psi adding a turbo is not adding a ticking time bomb.
My only gripe with the new Tacoma is the solid rear access cab. I use the rear doors on my 23 access cab every single day for my needs. Was really one of the few big nails in the coffin for me with going this gen or last gen. I have the 4cyl n/a on mine and Iv never had an issues with it (power, capability fuel, ect.)
It's great that you find the 2TR 4cyl to have enough power for you, but that's a minority of users. That thing is a DOG, a dog's dog, in high altitude areas, mountain passes, hauling any kind of weight, or accelerating enough to avoid a crash. Wildly slow by modern standards. I'm halfway surprised they never dropped the 2.7L in the outgoing generation.
Hopefully you guys get some more time with the 4th gen Tacoma. I would really like to see a detailed review regarding the on road differences between the various trim levels. While most of the forum bros are busy adding lift kits, the truth is that the vast majority of miles will be on pavement. How is the ride quality and handling of the TRD Sport vs TRD Off Road vs SR5 vs Limited? Toyota claims that they all have different suspension tuning but I've never seen a comprehensive comparison.
I think that a lot of people over rate the Tacoma V6 reliability. The 2.7 liter 4 cylinder is significantly better as far as longevity, pushing well into the 400K mile area with minimal work. The v6's on the other hand has suffered from a plethora of minor issues, including overheating due to its positioning, allowing cylinders 5 or 6 to leave the block through the back door before 200K miles, and sometimes earlier. The V6 although a great motor, is great in sedan form, where it comfortably outlasts the owner, but not in the trucks where it is mounted differently than it was originally intended. Still, 200K miles is nothing to scoff at, but you will find buyers way more willing to buy a 200K mile 2.7 over the 3.5.
It’s true I’ll be happy if my 4.0 in my Tacoma makes it to 300K, but the little 2.7’s last a lot longer than the V6 counterpart. Curious to see the longevity of this new 4 cyl turbo, especially after people start modding them with tunes etc…because it’s definitely going to happen.
The problem is not the 2.4L turbo engine, it is the extremely complex Hybrid Max system that is added on top of it. It is a brand new system and the repair costs will be higher than a Prius.
I could be wrong but I thought Jack's first review video was a Tacoma. If so, then I take he didn't get PTSD from that first experience. Just another dumb comment for the algorithm. The best automotive review videos are in this channel.
Beauftul truck …got rid of my 2021 Taco , glad to see they have addressed all the short comings…the motor will be fine it’s been used in our markets for a long time ..and let’s face it ….its a Toyota
lol clearly they do. I'm keeping my 15 TRD OR with the 6 speed as long as possible. hard pass on this new 4 cylinder crap, but at least it made the value of my truck go up even more.@@Ni-fg6je
this toyota tacoma is genuinely exciting. i would love to see you use this in your long term fleet. is this truck strong enough to tow race cars for track days? is it reliable enough to be worthy of keeping for the next 30 years? a long term fleet tacoma test video series can find out
@@DeepDishPizzayes it is lol I got between 19-20mpg at best, my dad’s ram 1500 would get that doing the same commute…. The V6 was all top end power, horrible choice for a truck other than it’s reliable.
When that music started I was expected some Cowboy to start singing with his rusty voice 😉 PS, According to the "Car Care Nut" we shouldn't worry about Toyota's new 4 cyl. Turbo engine's reliablility. We will see.... (HEY, NEW END LOGO)
please do a toyota tacoma vs v6 nissan frontier video. a lot of new nissans being purchased in my area, is the new frontier really that competitive now that the taco lost the v6?
The top end manual Tacoma is the only trim I'm interested in. I can't wait for the performance data to come out. I hope it can hit mid 6 seconds to 60.
@@thewhitecarrot you seem certain. I feel like this is a reasonable metric given the manual transmission and power of the engine. If it can't hit 60 in 6.5 seconds or less stock or with light tuning then it will have inadequate performance while towing anything near its rated load.
@@thewhitecarrot The current Tacoma manual V6 does 0-60 in the low 7 second range, it is entirely plausible that the 4th gen truck with the sizable torque gain will do 0-60 in mid 6 seconds.
New Panamera ACTIVE RIDE SYSTEM. Can you do an episode explaining the engineering of that revolutionary technology please? as it seems to be changing the industry soon! Especially the racing motorcycle ride option. It blew my mind how no one thought of that before 🤯
As a FJ owner, I kept eying how they mount the gas tank as I'm tired of replacing gas tank straps out here in the rust belt. Curious what the hybrid brings as I'm torn on a new Taco or 4Runner on the refresh.
I own a 2022, it’s not a perfect truck. I’m 6’ and pretty narrow so am right on the edge of fitting comfortably. I just run factory sized all-terrains 245/75/16s and don’t have near the gear hunting / slow issues guys have with oversized tires. The new truck looks like a total upgrade all the way around.
Im in the tire industry, you are smart to keep the stock sizing. Ironically its the Tacoma's that are mostly kept stock that i actually see get used for what their designed for
The gear hunting isn't from oversized tires, my 2017 did it from stock as did many others I know of with earlier model years. It's much more prominent on earlier models of the generation before Toyota resolved the issues through tuning.
I get tons of gear hunting mountain driving.(stock tires) It’s never happy in the gear it’s in. Either revving to the moon or lugging like crazy. It can be quite frustrating with how much I drive in the mountains. I’m glad yours is working for you
Nick, Mine doesn’t gear hunt. Perhaps 2022 had the software sorted. It will gear down in headwinds my 5.0 f-150 doesn’t care about. Also, adding rolling resistance adds additional driveline strain. That is a 100% fact and why when I ‘raced’ my buddies lifted with 35s TRD my SR5 had a couple lengths on him within a block.
@@hissingoose Right. Tires obviously have an effect on performance. That’s undeniable. Just saying the gear hunting is present for some of these trucks regardless.
A midsize truck for well over 40k, Toyota had to make improvements over the old truck to justify the cost. Makes me glad for my 2019 Nissan Frontier 4x4 xcab a basic midsize truck the cost 28k new. I guess it depends on your financial priorities and what will work best for you. I'm good having a comfortable, reliable, Affordable truck with good practical utility.
As a Honda Ridgeline owner I'm still happy with my purchase over the taco. V6 and can carry a 4x8 sheet of plywood. I wish the Ridgeline came with a turbo 4 though
I thought it looked great. I’m very interested in how much the gas mileage improved. When I bought my Highlander I was originally interested in the Tacoma. When I seen the gas mileage specs I couldn’t do it. I will look forward to a more detailed review of a TRD or any upper class Tacoma down the road. Good job guys.
@@MattGoesSkiing 2mpg with a massive torque boost ain't bad. The old 3.5L was thirsty if you sent it past 3000RPM, and most people did, with how much power it didn't make. EPA tests also get harder every year--comparing a 2024 to the ratings of a 2020 isn't fair. If the 3.5L was sticking around, there's a good chance it would get re-rated lower. I have a 4.0L 5th gen 4Runner. They have dropped its EPA rating twice in the last decade despite no mechanical changes. The hybrid Tacomas will likely tack on a couple extra mpg for those that care enough.
I will not cry over losing the V6. I have a 2022 and the V6 is garbage for a truck engine. Can't wait to trade up for the torque of the turbo 4. I've driven turbocharged vehicles for over 25 years and I have zero concerns about reliability.
I bought a 19 Tacoma (Off road) new in Jan of 2019 - and I put 249,000 trouble free miles on it, many of those in 4WD. In Sep of 23 I traded it in on a 23 Tacoma (Pro). I now have 24,000 miles on this truck. I do like most of the changes on the new 4th Gen (I HATE the large screen), but the turbo scares me, especially with as much as I drive. I may give the new Tacoma a try in 3-4 years, as I can see how folks that drive a lot are faring.
@@DB-sd3cwMeh. Like most of these things probably doesn't add enough to be really worth worrying about. People ple that are gonna lift might as well chuck it.
I had a 2010 FJ Cruiser. Sold it in 2014 for exactly what I paid for it. Have a 2018 4 Runner. Toyota is offering me ridiculous numbers to get it back lol. Oh btw. Not a single idiot light has gone off in either truck. Ever.
@HEMI345S And then another 6 years on the 4 Runner ya pickle poker. That's 2010 to 2023 with zero issues. Unlike my Nitro, SRT-8 Magnum and Ram SRT-10. Total pos Dodge girl. 😂
Bubba, if those vehicles are so great, why are you changing them as often as my underwear ???? All my Chrysler vehicles are over 10 years old with no issues ... Your CR brainwashing is amazing ...@@claviclenotch1876
I had to rent a shitty 4cyl turbo ford ranger to take from Northern Illinois to the bowels of Indiana - I was surprised on the gas mileage and the power that load of wheeled fecal matter gave me. I was also surprised about how "big" the "small" trucks are now getting....If Toyota can outdo that Ranger they really have a winner on their hands.
@@Ww8.3 While I agree with the torque number, people are definitely going squeeze more than 320whp out of these. After a tune, exhaust, and a down pipe lol, along with 93 octane. You know Toyota has these motors tuned so conservative, they probably run on cheap ass 87 octane. I feel like the drivetrain will be able to handle the 500 torque also, especially if the hybrid makes 465 torque stock.
@@goforbroke2 I don’t think it’s a big enough turbo imo. What turbo is in this thing? I believe it’s similar to a focus ST? I had a mazdaspeed 3 with a ko4 turbo (larger than st) and maxed out it was 325whp on e85
@@Ww8.3 It probably is a little turbo. These trucks are apparently making peak torque at like 1700 rpm, great for hauling or roasting the tires… The hybrids are probably going to have more potential though. The hybrid Highlander and Lexus RX500 hybrid sport both have 360+ hp stock and it’s the same engine in the hybrid Tacoma.
How MUCH boost do these run? It's got to be over 20-25 PSI. Do you have to run premium gas to run these? Let's see how the turbo 4 cylinders Tacomas hold up if they're used as a truck.
@@JacesOwnWorld because I live in Colorado and go off roading and camping. Side by sides are fun but they take all the fun out of rock crawling on trails for me. You don't have to think through your lines. That's why you see women and children driving rentals on difficult trails here. I will say SXS are awesome in Arizona and would definitely buy one if I lived there. If my 3rd gen performs just fine with no regard and 34s I think the hybrid would handle 35s.
