It’s quite interesting, I’ve always felt as though glasses improve my appearance yet culture always makes it seem as though people should look worse with them on
@@jessicanicollcontreras1990 my eyes and cheekbones look smaller in my glasses, without I actually improve a lot (specially cuz one eye has more distortion than the other) 🤣 but I know what you mean!
Hi, loving the content. Please do a video on aging gracefully for men and women. And I mean looking older and beautiful at the same time, not just an older person who looks like a young person. For example: Sam Elliot and Meryl Streep.
All this content was taught to me at the first semester of my career (law degree), since we have to learn how to persuade, which includes not only arguments but security and our personal branding, of course with the respective papers of psicologycal cognitive biases to support the information. However, it is astonishing how you could resume it in a 10 min video. Great content.
Though this video deviates from the beauty analysis/advice videos from your channel it is incredibly insightful, having knowledge on our biases and why we have them is integral when discussing aesthetics as it allows for deeper and more productive conversations. Thank you for making videos like this, I hope qoves continues to delve more into videos like these as I personally find them more fascinating.
Can I just say I always love your videos - you're always completely honest with the facts, dont sugarcoat, and give insight as to how the mind works. Quickly becoming one of my favourite channels.
This has become in my view the Top YT channel for Aesthetic Physique - Modelling. The way you explain is quite satisfying due to linking logic/reasoning.
You are truly inspiring and im glad there's a lot of people watching you. Seems like you are here to say some truths and you promote a scientific/realistic perspective on "proper" thinking processes!
I was so amused to realize I don't fall for the conjunction fallacy at all in my cognitive functioning. I never have, precisely because I watched others think this way and be wrong often. In fact, I already am aware of all of these cognitive biases because I like to research them from time to time. I try to be aware of them in daily life. Maybe my autistic way of thinking lead me to this.
Hi! Can you do a video analysis about the korean star Cha Eun Woo perfect face ratio? Beauty standards and attractiveness for asian male star is so different from occidental P.O.V, especially with K-idols and K-drama actors. They are having a huge impact in different part of the world especially with a large female public
In regards to the 995 nurses vs 5 doctors, it's absolutely possible that information about Paul precludes him from being a nurse regardless of the sample distribution. We need to know how common it is for nurses to be male and live in expensive beautiful homes in posh neighborhoods. That said, I'd guess the sample is so extreme that he's still more likely a nurse.
I was wondering the same. Like how many are male nurses on average? Like 14 %? And how many of the doctrors are male? Majority of them. But the problem is - we dont take one man out of the whole medical field, we take him out of one very specific group of people. Statistically speaking there must be at least 100 males in that group. And to probably at least one of them is a doctor. The thing is - the chance of this specific man we are talking about to be one of the doctors is very small. We confuse the chance of those doctors to be male with the chance of this specific male to be a doctor.
@@alexforce9 Yep and if only 14 percent of nurses are male, the percentage that also live in a nice house and neighborhood will be even smaller (by the conjunction fallacy logic). To make it more precise. Imagine if 2 out of the 995 nurses are male and live in a posh neighborhood and nice house, but 3 out of the 5 doctors are male and live in a posh neighborhood and nice house. By Bayes' theorem, the probability that a male living in a posh neighborhood and nice house drawn from this distribution is a doctor is 60 percent and in fact more likely as the respondents intuit.
Hey Qoves. I've noticed that you often talk about how people rate average looking people as a 7/10 etc. And I think people generally rate attractiveness in a public setting in another way. Like on a test: You have 10 questions and can get 10 points. Most people score 7/10 points, making it the average. So the average person is further away from being very unattractive than from being very attractive. That's at least how I view it and I just wanted to throw that out here.
Except that’s not how it works at all and you can’t simply compare statistics like that. On a test there are right and wrong answers. People study for the test to aim for the highest possible score, therefore the probability to select the correct answer is higher than randomly selecting answers. Appearance is for the most part, completely random. So you should expect to see a normal distribution curve. This means most people will be average, ie a 5/10.
@@spamsausage Appearance might be random but attractiveness is a play between genes and other factors like, for example, good nutrition during development. I also don't think the people who rate other people do it in a scientific manner. It was just a guess how people actually scale attractiveness in their mind and that we don't use 5/5 as the average. So the cognitive representation of the scale is different to the statistical one. It's more about psychology than statistics.
@@jcherry875 "7/10" is also seen as a "respectable" score, even if on some level you do know the person is average (5/10), it feels less like it will hurt their feelings without inflating their ego ("you're a 10/10 for sure!"). It's like asking people to vote by writing on a piece of paper tossed in a hat, or vote by raising their hands where everyone can see: it's harder for many people to be honest in public. Similarly, when people rate themselves, it's well documented that lower performers will overrate themselves and higher performers will either underrate or be closer to accurate. The average (5/10) skews "high" (7/10) for this reason, not because the tip of the bell curve actually falls at 7/10.
I got the conjunction fallacy correct quite awhile back when I was exposed to it. The effect size (correlation) between the conjunction fallacy and analytical reasoning is moderately high as I recall being ~.65 - ~.75. Analytical reasoning (iirc) is moderately positively correlated with intelligence (IQ) between ~.35 - ~.55 . People who answer the conjunction question correctly are also more likely to be high functioning autist as a tendency towards systematizing aids in problem solving ability.
Can you do a more in-depth view of South Asian Beauty and its standards, there's a lot on Eastern Beauty but I feel like South Asian beauty standards always seem to be a mix of Western and Eastern Asian. Also, could you do a face analysis of the Pakistani model Hasnain Lehri
I like your point on 9:13!!!..... lately I asked myself that a lot, "why am I not feminine?" "why this?" "why that?" And surprisingly by question those things, and be open mind with the possibilities, not just "this is who I am"... helped me answers stuff including..."I was so scared with my mom when I was a little kid, and I was a lot closer to my dad and saw him as a role model" And actually this helped me to explore my feminine side😅😅
that's what happened to me. Dad was a role model for me, while my mom is a feminist, so it kind of reinforced the fact that I was growing masculine. Few years ago I started forcing myself to act feminine, and voila, after like 2-3 years I act and FEEL feminine and I love it much more since I don't need to pretend like I'm super strong
@@scatteredmind674 Congrats! For me it's still hard to get pass the trauma(?) It's still weird to show weakness, even still have that "ugh" feeling towards makeup, and other that "typically feminine" stuff. But I'm learning:') and this channel really help me to "improve" myself~... (also, my gosh, makeup is hard! Pick clothes that match also needs effort!!!)
The example at 4:06 I'm not quite convinced peoples conclusions are 'matter of fact' illogical, because statistically (in the UK) 89% of nurses are women, and on average doctors earn much more money than nurses and so are likely to live in a good neighbourhood with a nice house. In short, they propose a trick question. looking at the numbers it is statistically more likely that Paul would be a nurse, however the information about where/how he lives bolsters the likelihood of the lower percentages. That question tells you more about how people prioritise rationality over logic
I think he’s talking about it to explain the principle, not so much to explain that it’s more likely that he is a nurse and not a doctor. I would agree with you though because having this other information changes the statistics a lot, so maybe it wasn’t the best example, but it was convenient and effective I guess.
Thank you for pointing out the issues with the doctor/nurse example. This bothered me while I was watching the video, and you expressed the additional considerations well. Another reaction I had was that some people give more weight to their uncle's car recommendation because bolstering a relationship by demonstrating that they value their uncle's advice may be more important than getting the "best" car.
hiii! can you do a video on how people are heavily affected by tiktok and how it mainly shows only attractive people, to the point where even average people now get called mid or ugly irl? like average is becoming the new ugly
There is nothing to analyze. You just summed it up perfectly. Average is becoming the new ugly. Soon you will need model tier looks to even be considered cute by a girl.
Its only effecting men so why do you care? Average women still get praised and worshippe everyday it's average men that have it 10x harder due to TikTok.
I am conventionally beautiful, but this injustice is one of the reasons I don’t date anybody. It’s hard to fall in love with an ugly person, but i also reject and avoid beautiful people.
Would you perhaps be interested in making a video revolving around advice for people who are still going through puberty? It would make sense that you'd be able to manipulate what you'd look like in the end during that stage of age; meaning that would be a very interesting video. Other interesting videos would be Middle Eastern, Central Asian and Eastern European beauty standards.
Your genetics and your mothers nutrition during her pregnancy with you determines most of what you will look like. Just eat enough, exercise enough, and hope for the best. There is no secret code to become attractive. It’s luck. Don’t be fooled by people telling you otherwise.
@@derrick2251 Yep, I know, I mainly just would some more specific advice and to see the scientific backing. It’s all quite interesting. Thanks for your advice tho.
@@kuromi3101 no problem bro. This is coming from someone who was in your shoes just a little while ago I’m 20 now and realized it’s mostly out of our control to alter the face. Scientist are now being able to your facial features accurately accurately using your dna. Crazy
🤔 I've found that sometimes I'd find someone I never thought attractive, attractive. That's after talking to them. This is usually with older men, I prefer men my age but there have been a few older man I've crushed on after talking to them for a while. However I still prefer my own age in dating so I never acted on these crushes. Perhaps this could be a next topic 😅
As interesting as the topic of cognitive biases is - taking the opinion of those around you seriously IS the socially and EMOTIONALLY healthy thing to do. Sure, it's nice to have an idea of larger beauty standards, but at the end of the day you're living with a limited set of people, and it's those interactions that affect us the most, and determine our quality of life. "Objective" changes to your appearance don't "objectively" improve the relationships we create. Plus, appearance is a lot about self-expression, not neccesarily IDEALIZING the self, least of all the physical self... There is no "free from bias". There can be genuine attempts at objectivity, but there is no "free from bias".
attraction Yeh if you smell nice then people would be pleased to have you around. smelling bad make people avoid you. but the way you look wouldn't change
Yes it does not sure why people are saying it's not proven. Body odor does have an effect on attractiveness so you do need perfumes to be attractive in person
Humans do not secrete pheromones in high enough concentrations to influence someone’s opinion of you. Humans do not have the advanced olfactory capabilities that other mammals have, and therefore do not rely on pheromones to determine compatibility. There are studies that suggest pheromones do play a role in attractiveness, but they are weak compared to other markers of attractiveness.
Bro Ik ppl don’t care but like youve helped me realize I look better than I thought and it’s affected my confidence and has helped me fix imperfections and insecurities thank youu
4:31 its not exactly feeling, in that exact example with a ratio that insane he is more likely to be a nurse. But if the ratio was closer, it would be more accurate to pick doctor, as women have an overwhelming majority in nursing.
Mmmm I love this video, explains the people I deal with on a daily basis and I’m getting tired of being surrounded by closed minded people who think they’re “woke.” The ego in most people are strong, it like a disease. Anyway, love the science on this channel!
Not the biggest fan of Kahneman & Tversky; though I do _appreciate_ their _"heuristics-and-biases program"._ Another line of thought, _Ecological Rationality_ holds that what seems "irrational" about human behavior is only an artifact of when we fail to look at our decision-making in improper circumstances in the laboratory. What aspects of our psychology seem irrational are often mechanisms based in the wisdom of real-life risk, and far more trust-worthy than the recommendations of psychologists and behavioral economists. Sometimes even, our irrational mind is much smarter than we are. cf: _Rationality for Mortals_ (Gerd Gigerenzer)
I love your channel and I wonder if you could do a idea on how unattractive female models are to men and how their appearance is only for the female market.
One has to be careful about the most relevant reference group in drawing a conclusion based on statistical odds. For example, Harry is a nurse, 88% of nurses are female. Therefore, Harry is a woman. But we know just about all people named Harry are men, so it is more likely that Harry is a man. His name puts Harry in a more relevant reference group.
Maybe 995 is a lot and overcomes this, but the doctor-nurse sample thing could be an example of sampling bias. You gave away a lot of demographic data about Paul that makes him genuinely less likely to be a nurse than doctor if the sample were 50/50.
About this topic, I remember how the fans from BTS finds Kim Namjoo handsome but can you do please a video About Kim Namjoo or rating each BTS for science context pls
This video suggests that you should always trust the studies or researchers which is just wrong in my opinion, first of all, little bit of calculation errors, little bit of biases, little bit of human error and you can have it, many studies dont even replicate in the same way or same strenght its better to look at studies if its complimenting your observations, like if i see 100 nissans going 10 year unbroken but see idk whatever type of brand cars going all 100/100 broke in few years, i dont care what some online study says, if i do maybe there are errors in it so you can research(lets be honest most of us wont though, too time consuming) but these observations are also hard to make without biases, if i see an ugly dude with a hot chick my mind will automatically put it in a "box" that its more accessable than the 100 times i saw a hot girl with hot guy because its an outlier my mind will remember to it and i will say "qoves you are wrong" which isnt right.
Its good video, but there is one problem going in world without any prejudice, and that it is impossible. Not just because is hard, but rather its very time consuming and can be exasuthing if thing is very common
Hey ppl think I'm beautiful and compare me with ana de armas. But I don't think they see me as highly attractive. To this i am really bothered by my hooked nose rn, but my chin and faceshape in generall balance it out. I feel like the nose is the only really ugly part in my face. Is there something like "balance it out" or "it fits to your face"?
Eye of the beholder - attractiveness is subjective in the same way Pepsi is favorable to Coke in taste tests. You can go into how it has more sugar and why sugar tastes good from an evolutionary standpoint, but that doesn't make liking Coke better "wrong" like how 2+2=5 is wrong.
Wrong. Attractiveness isn’t entirely subjective. If someone is wrinkled, has bad skin and is obese. Does that look attractive to you? Attractiveness to an extent is an indicator of our health. People with good jawline and cheekbones are likely healthier and have stronger bone structure compared to someone with saggy skin
@@Lazymath007_ What? This is a really dumb response. There are lots of fat/old fetishists, even whole cultures of for example obesity fetishism. They aren't "incorrect" or "objectively wrong" for their preferences the same way if someone prefers coke they aren't wrong despite it providing fewer calories. (We evolved to prefer calorie-dense foods just like healthy people.) I literally just explained this. It's the is-ought distinction. If you can't comprehend this idk what to tell you.
@@crystalnelson314 that is wrong. You do realize that not only humans desire attractiveness, animals do it too. You know if a male’s butterfly’s wings aren’t symmetrical, the female won’t mate with him. That’s just how natural selection works. We prefer healthier partners. This channel has explaijed it as well. Now they may be 1 or 2 people who are obese fetishists, although that doesnt changed the likelihood of wanting a partner with good genes. So looks is equally as subjective as it is objective
@@Lazymath007_ You seem to be so mentally limited you can't even realize the argument when it is presented to you several times with an analogy that is also evolutionarily relevant. People's preferences are not objective; they can be common or uncommon, adaptable or not, but they are not objective. This is a basic is-ought problem. I will cease arguing with you as I have better things to do than teach these ideas.
@@crystalnelson314 like I just said it as just as objective as it is subjective. Yes I agree people can have preferences but again it’s also common sense people are likely to choose healthier mates. It’s literally backed up by science. I also have the examples of animals. Do you know male kangaroos flex their biceps to attract female kangaroos. Now you might argue well some females might be attracted to more skeletal looking beings, yea well it’s a possibility but it does not change the likelihood of us choosing healthier genes and mates. It’s literally a biological concept you clown. That’s why if you look at my closing statement, I mentioned it is equally subjective and objective at the same time
I don’t think your example with the doctor vs the nurse living in an expensive neighborhood is correct as it doesn’t take into account Bayesian statistics. While it’s true that there are many more nurses than doctors, the probability that we are estimating is a conditional probability. In this case we are using our prior knowledge of the income distributions of nurses and doctors, along with Bayes’ theorem, to determine the conditional probability.
for etymology of the word 'man' at the end of words comes from the sanskrit for 'hand' (manus) because 'man' at the end applies to being 'handy' a.k.a having practical use.
I wear a metallic silver square shaped glasses that looks very old fashioned because of this channel. I get a lot of compliments on my looks without glasses but people keep saying they find me hard to take seriously because I look 25 at the oldest when I'm 30 years old and talk like it. So I got glasses(coincided with finding out I have eye problems) that would age me up and up my respect stat. Living life like a video game feels great. Every aspect of your life is a performance and you get stat bonuses and debuffs depending on each action and you just need an input to output, risk to reward analysis of each minute behavior and decision. Even if nothing is guaranteed because of the more probabilistic rather than deterministic nature of life's physics engine, you can still move forward assured you've done everything to stack things in your favor.
@@inescastro2780 No. I dig the haircut. I actually had a haircut like that a few years ago. The guy has a butt chin which I absolutely hate. But thank you for mansplaining to me my preferences!
5:44 If people are gonna get offended by what is obviously a scientific discussion then that's their problem. People are really getting stupid nowadays in that they can't pick up on intentions and the obvious. Words are often taken too literally and out of context and they won't listen to reason. You don't need to walk on eggshells all the time for them. I don't agree with some of the things you've mentioned in other videos but I won't call you out for a mere phrasing issue.
What about conditional probabilities? Let’s say Paul owned a million dollar car. The probability of a nurse owning a million dollar car is very low. Thus it is more likely that Paul is a doctor. (In this case)
Thanks for pointing this out. (It may even be more probable that Paul is a doctor and not a nurse, on account of being a male and having a posh house. I thought the scenario was an extremely weak contribution to the topic of biases.)
Criticism on the Paul nurse/doctor point: did they actually calculate this out? A male with a generic name at that age with those other features may still be more likely to be one of the doctors than one of the nurses even with the large skew. Same with young, black, male - these people do disproportionally commit crimes. Most research shows stereotypes have a basis in data.
