Honestly, it doesn't look like a good choice of a lock for him. A lock like that, means that even if the bike look like crap, it will attract attention to it. Even if they fail to pick it, they can damage the lock in some way and render it unusable. Then he's out the price of the bike anyway. Better to have a cheap bike, that look even cheaper, and use a ghetto lock on it. Enough to deter someone from just grabbing it and bike away, but not so flashy as to look high end. If someone wants to steal your bike, they will. It doesn't matter what kind of lock you have. Insurance, low cost of replacing the bike, and deterrence are the best defence against bike thieves. Not good locks.
@@Taeerom the effort for this particular lock for the value of the bike makes it entirely pointless to try steal it. That's what the deterrent is and I believe it would be very effective. Why tangle with this lock for a shoddy bike when that other shoddy bike further down the road has a ghetto lock I can smash off much easier.
@@Taeerom I think you misunderstood him. A better bike lock would cost as much as the bike he's using the lock on, this lock is much cheaper than that.
@@Taeerom well if you have a 7,000$ bike you should have a lock that is more than a deterrent he doesn't have a bike that is that much but some people do
You might be surprised but that actually happened to me😅 I was at school and parked my as usual using a fairly standard lock. Came back and the lock was gone. Bike still at the exact same place. Till this day I wonder: WHY WOULD YOU PICK A BIKE LOCK AND THEN LEAVE THE BIKE
It's not picking you're really in danger from. Aside from maybe a bypass or easy rake. I't if they can show up with a pair of bolt cutters and disappear with it in 10 seconds.
I imagine him doing some real psycho terror where he does nothing apart from repeatedly opening the lock of the door and leaving the door open when the thief is not at home. :D
There's been enough times that he's received GPS trackers in packages sent to him (in a vain attempt to track where he lives). Im sure at some point he has replaced the SIM card in one and dropped it down the seat post tube of his bike. easy enough to do.
@@Wesley_H are you on Android? If so use RU-vid Vanced. If you're on a computer you should already have software/extensions to block ads. If you're on iPhone well shit idk, maybe jailbreak has some options? But when it comes to in video ads by the content creator, it's really not difficult to manually skip them if you care that much. But to be honest, is it really so bad for quality content creators to have ads so they can monetize the hard work they put into their videos and upload to the internet for everyone to watch for free?
@@plutoplays5625 buying tools doesnt help much if you dont have the skills and knowledge to use them. would need a lot of dexterity and experience to use that thing. most would break the pick.
Bruh it's been 5 years since the original LPL video on Bowley locks, if LPL can't do it given half a decade, then who will? How long will they take? It's not like Bowley locks have gotten easier to pick in 5 years.
@@adumbyelloh2563 Bethesda is pretty close to DC, but then again, up there it just all blends together between the different towns really. Just one giant concrete jungle
Can confirm this is a very robust lock I use it on my personal E-Bike and I can't tell you how many times I've gotten back from class to find a scratch on the lock and a shattered disc from a angle grinder on the ground. One time I came back to the bike with a note on it saying the campus security caught the person that was stealing everyone's bikes
College campus are super high risk areas to leave a bike (thieves can be confident that the owners are going to take a while to come back). If on top of that you're leaving a probably quite expensive E-Bike, the risk increases. I use this lock too and your comment makes me trust it even more lol
do people ever steal just one of the wheels, the handlebar, or the seat? how would you protect these? I thought a lock only protects the frame and maybe one wheel.
@@timhan8667 Yes, I use to lock one wheel and frame only and when I woke up one morning my bike was missing a wheel. Not sure how to avoid this except to get a longer lock or combine two.
I'll never understand the angle grinder. Definitely suspiscious during the day, and way too much noise for the night, all in the hopes to get...a bicycle? In most cases, a guy probably spent more on the grinder and wheels than what the bicycle is worth.
This is typical in Holland as well, having a lock that more expensive than the bike. The running joke is that you get back to your bike and go "WTF! They stole my lock!!"
@@Spartan0430 no really, sherlock. a bad one though if the first thing my brain thinks about is to take the bike anyways. doesnt make me laugh if that happens
I dont lock my short daily commute bike, its a cheapo one I put together out of multiple free bikes so it blends in, and I always park between two well secured bikes but without a lock! Never let me down but if I took out my real bike, this technique would probably not work so well once someone noticed a custom wheelset or the anodized bolts... lolol
Didn't work for me. Had the most beat up bike of the whole school, the brakes were the only thing that still worked properly. Used a fairly beefy lock (at least much better than all the othe bikes around) and tied it to a post. Four hours later it was gone, while all the 1k+ bikes around with the tiny locks were still here. It had a good ending tough. That bike once was a pretty expensive one (around 2k plus modifications) when it was new and my dad bought it like 20 years ago second hand, but with the orignal receipt. He also found some of the receipts for modifications, new brakes, fork, handle etc. We sent them to my insurance and tada! I got almost the full original price out of it, from which I bought a new one. So that theif actually did me a real solid.
After one bike being stolen now I have similar Kryptonite chain plus my best way to avoid having my bike stolen, is to always lock it in a cage in my work and in a basement of my home ;)
From a Dutch native: the best defense against people stealing your bike, is making sure it looks like it got yoinked from an Amsterdam canal yesterday.
I certainly understand your point, but it's a shame that it is such a challenge to have nice things. I have a Gazelle eBike on order, and am looking at a high-end Abus lock to attempt to keep the bike mine. 😉
You joke but one time I was in some town in Scotland, Edinburg or something, and there was this "horror bus ride" where they supposedly tour the city in a bus and scare you along the way, somehow. At the top of its brochure it had a quote by Johnny Depp - "It's alright.". I kid you not.
@@MadaFakaTOO What you're not understanding is that in Britain, 'It's alright', is the highest compliment allowed in the country. Anything statement more positive than that (such as, 'It was amazing') would only be said sarcastically and really means, 'It is absolute rubbish'. Apologies, but we Brits are very confusing when we speak.
I guess you haven't watched the joint videos LPL does with BonianBill with the suppressed weapons etc... Personally I try avoiding business dealings with Russians, never know where a connection with the Mafia is.
@@hislatestflame7861 Even though it's listed as sold out, they do include a price tag in the link you included... 1 MILLION DOLLARS... That's defense number three...
It's not worth it if there's plenty of bikes lying around the place that are much easier to steal. Time is of the essence. Like, if you park your car at the wrong spot or have not paid for the parking time, police will open your car in literally a second.
I think the best marketing ever done for this lock was LPL saying "this lock is good enough". Imagine the amount of people who gonna buy this lock just because of this review
That's literally why I bought it on amazon. If i need to shop for groceries i'll put the lock in my backpack, buy groceries, put those in the backpack and then wrap the lock around the frame
I believe in an older video he said the doors on his house have certain pins or something so they are unpickable, if you attemt to pick it it will permanently lock itself and will have to be drolled out because the pins fall into a groove they can't get out of
@@Xx0ME0xX Sounds a little too vague in my opinion. Sorry, but I think that you might made that up. Sure there is such technology and I am sure that LPL knows, good locks but he would never tell us where to find his door or what lock is there. The fact that there are many genes with lock picking experience in his community, means he cannot do that.
I watch most every episode. I have no bike, car, truck, I live in a gated apartment block with security, I am so old I probably could not pick up this lock, or many that are shown. LPL tells a good story, non fiction, that is why I watch.
That someone of your deep knowledge of lock security owns this particular model is about as strong an endorsement as one could imagine. Also great to hear that you're a fellow cyclist. Thank you for putting this up.
Yup, I went out and bought it - despite it probably being the heaviest lock I've ever owned. It is to protect either of my daily rides (depending on the day): A Bullitt cargo bike or my Ti Omnium cargo bike. I thought I'd need especially for the Omnium.
Its always better to assume the worst, in order to guarantee a good outcome out of the current situation. -Me 2021 and also probably everyone else with a brain lmao
"and here's how to open my bike lock, but good luck with that, me and Bosnian Bill had to custom build a device in order to pick this thing which is almost definitely something that an average bike thief wouldn't have."
Hi I’m in the market for a bike locker and I found your videos. I can’t understand if what you do in few seconds is something that an average thief can do or if something that only a very skilled one can do. If you would spend more money does any of the commercial locker have a more “resistant” key lock that would take much more time to be open? Can you suggest any? Thanks
@@al404 Most bike thieves wouldn't be able to do this. Generally, regardless of the lock, most thieves will just use bolt cutters or an angle grinder. Since those two tools will quickly bypass 90% of locks with zero practice or skill, there is no reason for your average thief to learn to pick locks.
To pick it, yea, most bike thieves won't be able to. What, exactly, are you planning to lock it to, though, that it wouldn't be significantly easier to just attack that instead of the lock?
When I first saw the lock Me: It looks beefy and heavy, that must be a tough one!! LockPickingLawyer: "probably good enough" Me: yeah probably good enough
If he says it’s probably good enough, I say it is outstanding in every way, and I would trust it with a $2000 bike. What I would do above that price, I can’t say.
MAYO NEIGHS, this is a edited version of your comment. When I first saw the lock Me: It looks beefy and heavy, that must be a tough one!! LockPickingLawyer: "probably good enough" Me: ok, definitly good enough
Damn. As as bike thief my livelihood depends on bike owners starting their own RU-vid channels, showing their bike lock key on that channel,researching who that person is, following them for an opportunity to use the copy of the key I made. You win this round lock picking lawyer!
Not just researching who that person is, but some how figuring out any identifying information on LPL lol The dude goes hard on internet security, keeping his real life so seperate from this online life. I still find it so amazingly impressive that there exists at least *one* person untraceable from their online presense. No one knows his name, where he is, his face, which is exactly how he likes to keep it.
During the summer in Toronto, I came across a chain & lock remarkably similar to this - might have been a slightly less weighty chain, but close. It was tossed on to the ground next to a bike rack where clearly a bike had been stolen, I looked at the lock & it had been cut through on the portion on the exposed metal that inserts into the lock - there was enough space for one of those rotary saws to fit between. LPL here did not address that weakness at all, and that same space was clear in this video where the chain fits into the lock. I did see Kryptonite have a much better -double - insert system, but like this one, it surely weighs 40% of the weight of the bike it secures & costs as much as a an armed guard might cost for 24 hrs.
ive seen people commenting to caution youtubers to not show their keys on camera where the video had nothing to do with lockpicking. its generally good practice to avoid showing keys in public photos. i try to avoid doing so, or blurring the keys if it ends up in the photo. and i'm a nobody! but perhaps i am a bit paranoid. either case better safe than sorry!
Oh come on, it's totally ridiculous. Someone is going to go through the trouble of studying a picture of the key, recreating the key, finding the stranger on the internet, following him while he's out for a bike ride, waiting for him to lock his bike, and then stealing the bike? That's pure insanity and 100x more costly than just buying your own bike.
@@jblen I always thought it doesn't matter if someone gets a picture of your key. Than I saw someone 3D-print a working key from only a picture as reference. It was his first time trying it and he got it on his secound attemped in under half an hour including 3D-printing. The key was propably only for a single use because of the low print quality and the cheap material used but that also means everyone could replicate this feat.That was at least a year ago.
In Amsterdam, capital of The Netherlands, people living on the first floor would carry their bike all the way up to their apartment if they had to get something. Because leaving it on the ground floor for a few minutes would probably result in it getting stolen.
I have one of these. They do have false gates, and I would describe it as 'fussy' as in its sometimes very fiddly to get the key to work as the discs are thinner than some locks and are very well machined and, in the real world, move around when you're trying to manipulate the key in to the lock. In the UK, this lock cost me £35 and I use it to lock a bike that cost me £50 from eBay. What I also like about this locks design is that there is just enough space between the link that goes in the lock and the next link on the chain to fit another chain link over, so I use a lighter thru- hardened chain with loop-thru links to secure the front wheel. The first line of defense is having a bike that isn't going to get the thief much money in a pawn shop. Second line of defense is having a lock that is enough that it can't be cut through with 18" bolt croppers (widely used by opportunist thieves). Next line of defense is locking it near another bike that isn't secured very well or is more desirable to steal. Finally, I take a two pronged approach to where I'm locking it ...I either lock it somewhere that is in full view of a busy shop window, or I lock it somewhere that it's easy to walk past and not notice it's there.
@@fernandotrevinocastro1018 Honestly, I wish the government would hire him for a day or two to pick all their locks. And, on top of that, makes multiple videos that don't disclose the location.
It's the same with self-defence. The best fighting instructors will teach you the best way to stay safe is to not get into fights in the first place, or failing that, run away.
When you're talking about a $1,000+ bike, thieves are willing to do much more to get the bike. Chain it to a parking meter? Ram the meter, put both in the back of your van (happened to my father). Chain it to a fence? Cut the fence down, put everything in the back of your van (happened to a buddy of mine). Etc. Etc. Then the thieves can carefully remove the lock at their leisure. Locks are meant to deter, but it's hard to deter someone from a thousand dollar payday.
This is the closest yet to an actual LPL recommendation….So I bought the exact same model to secure my e-bike 😁. As he says…the skill and tools needed are not going to be carried by your average opportunist kid - hanging around outside the local convenience store. An angle grinder will defeat it in seconds and a heavy duty bolt cutter might, but these attacks are clumsy, noticeable and need forethought. It IS a hefty 3Kg and stowing it might be a problem…I’m going for clips along the frame….wrapping this big chain around the seat post is going to be bulky and interfere with the under-saddle tail light. Probably makes a good self defence deterrent if someone suspiciously comes upto you whilst parking up! Thanks LPL👍
No that doesn't work I had a ex rental Shogun Trailblazer 3 when I was in high school locked it up at the train station with a big chain perhaps 12 mil chain and a big Lockwood padlock and on top of that I had a master combination lock that chained the front wheel to the neck of the bike and I came back 9 hours later and somebody had actually cut the fence with a grinder or something and took the bike like legitimately it was a $5 bike that I bought at the rubbish tip
When I was in college I had a Wal-Mart 10 speed and so did a friend of mine. We also had those el-cheapo chain bike combination locks. We were riding our bikes, stopped for lunch, and locked our bikes to a post. When we came out, someone had opened the locks and locked the top tubes of our bikes together with our own locks. They didn't want our bikes, lol.
I bought this lock after months of research and LPL recommendation. It's been a year and it is awesome. Nothing is guaranteed but this lock is a nightmare for any but the most dedicated thieves.
LPL: Unfortunately, the thief didn't notice the hidden camera hidden on the bike and I have video footage of him stealing the bike. I sent the footage to the police and he is now awaiting trial. I hope the thief has learned his lesson from this incident - always, always check for hidden cameras before testing your lockpicking skills out in the wild.
@@Key4700 It can be welded back together. People do it with cars bike shouldn't be a problem. Ofc it will compromise construction durability but hey its free bike, thiefs don't look gift horse in the mouth.
@@steirqwe7956 Yeah, but I somehow doubt that the thieves could weld it in a way no potential buyer of the stolen bike wouldn't notice, I wouldn't buy a weld back together bike from someone I don't know
I used a kryptonite evolution new york lock, which unfortunately had a U lock for a massive chain, and it took the thieves about 5 seconds to cut through it with an angle grinder. Got to watch it on the security camera outside my building.
Yeah, but if the other bike is too nice... Then it doesnt work i guess because there must be a lot of thieves who will use the bike they steal so they dont want something too shiny... I dont know !
@@igualnimp A few thieves want to sell/pawn a bike for $ but you're right, a ton of thieves just want to get from A to B and don't have the cash or vehicle. Hobos, they'll sneak into a construction site to grab cable cutters or a battery powered angle grinder with a cutoff blade, then they'll walk to the nearest bike, and 20 minutes later they're 20 miles down the road fo free.
@@gorkyd7912 If that thief can get 20 miles on a bike in 20 min on a likely rather dingy city bike then they should be thinking about going professional, not stealing bikes.
U locks can also be easily broken with a farm jack or one of those small car jacks that are basically like a farm jack. The chain makes the carjack version much harder. -Remember, your bike lock is only as strong as what you have it locked too.
Dang i just found this channel and went “i wonder if hes ever tested that giant kryptonite bike chain ive had for years” and holy shiet i made a good purchase
Here are some other pro tips. Have a bike cover with you to put over your bike. Studies show bike thieves many times choose others over them since they can't easily see what is under it etc. Another is to get a couple different GPS chips like an Apple and a Samsung. Since both use different protocols it's best to have a redundancy. Also if nobody has an iPhone around your stolen bike it's useless. I'd actually suggest using two Airtags since if the thief has an iPhone it will tell them an Airtag is following them. Then if they find one they'll just think it's the old message(hopefully). The last and honestly smartest thing is to get bike insurance. For my 2k dollar bike it's 65/year and if stolen I'll get full purchase price and a loaner until I get my new bike. Among some other things like coverage if I'm hurt riding or hurt someone else(iirc it's up to 30k?). WELL worth it if you have a good bike.
LPL, I thoroughly enjoy watching your videos. Very straightforward and calm, they appeal to me. They remind me of Jago Hazzard, he publishes videos about the London Underground. Both of you are informative and matter of fact. Thank you.
I’m honestly curious how important pick resistance is to the security of a lock. I feel like 3/4 of thieves will try to chop a lock and if they can’t they’ll just move one. How many bike thieves are actually accomplished lock pickers?
Inspired by LPL, and the fact that I lost my keys to my travel trailer, I've started picking all kinds of locks. It's remarkably easy for a lot of common ones, and I don't even have the proper tools. I'm using a swiss army knife, eyeglass screwdrivers, and bobby pins, and I've been able to pick or bypass probably 70% of the (admittedly, Master and Kwikset) locks I own. I picked the lock on my trailer with a picture hanging tab and a spring from a pair of pliers.
Often you're just looking for the weakest point of entry. You could put the beefiest lock on a crappy wooden door and someone trying to get through the door will just break it down instead of picking the lock or breaking it in anyway.
Source on that? A minute seems kinda fast, also anyone looking will know. Then you have to pick the chain. so someone would have to walk past, with a car jack, a custom lockpick made by LPL, and vast experience in lockpicking. Identify the lock, break the u lock then pick the chain while people are like wtf is this guy doing. Then after (let's guess 10 mins as it took LPL 1 minute to do), take the bike and sell for parts, about 50 quid.
In the end it's about making your bike harder to steal than the one parked next to it. With most people using cheezy cables it's not that hard. However, if you have a $5000 mtb vs the next over $200 Wallyworld bike, you still need that better lock setup because they're more motivated to steal yours.
And yet the amount that a "good" lock will protect on a $5,000 mountain bike is pretty small. Assuming you go with the traditional "lock the wheels and frame" approach, a thief can just unscrew a few bolts to walk away all the front end except the wheel -- on a $5,000 mountain bike that could easily be $1,000-2,000 in parts. A thief who wants to be really inconspicuous will just unbolt the derailleur, undo the master link on the chain, snip the cable, and walk off with a $100-300 derailleur in their pocket.
Friend of mine had his bike stolen with Kyptonite lock. I found it a couple of days later. They had tried to break the lock but ended up literally tearing the bike in half. The lock was intact.
Firstly just want to say thanks for your deication to making such a fantastic channel..! This is a little topic, I remember the episode were you were trying to get Mrs LPL into lock picking by locking up her ice cream. I to was struggling to get my wife to join the club, even though I've subjected her to hours of your videos. Well last night she made me a very proud husband, When a friend of hers lost the key to her work locker containing her handbag and car keys preventing her from driving home. Believe it or not I got a text from my wife asking if to was possible to pick the lock using a movie favourite her Bobby pins.. after a quick tease about it being a movie myth, I suggested how I would go about making a torsion bar from one and a rake from another, Then to my disbelief she had her first open with minutes!! dispite she never tried picking a lock before and the pressure of having audience. Maybe in the future you could do a episode just for fun where debunk some movie myths or you use the featured methods/techniques to actually pick some locks?. Best Regards, Steve.
Had 4 bikes stolen... after watching this a few years ago, i bought it. Bike is still with me. Have invested in a more expensive bike so will grab another lock to make things a lil more challenging
2:25 "But given the lock cost as much as the bike" - the lock costs £33 ($45) - are you sure anyone is going to even want to steal that bike in the first place? :D
I litterally bought this lock because of you. It is great, but it is also quite heavy, this is why I tend to use it less. Which is sorta defeating the purpose. Still, I do love it. It is a very good lock.
Just bought one of these. It's hefty, but not as ridiculous as I feared. The weight shouldn't make much difference on my low-end e-bike.Thanks for the reccomendation.
I think I've spotted a flaw in this strategy. Atomizing your bike does seem like a rather definitive _compromising_ of its secureness. And thousands of small shrapnel bits make for poor personal transportation.
I use this same chain lock. Makes for a damn good weapon too! Especially rabid dogs! I must say tho, I've had problems with the key not wanting to unlock the damn lock! Had to roll my bike home on its back wheel and 3 days later it finally unlocked.
I feel like "probably good enough" should be the idea with locks in general. I could spend thousands of dollars on a lock for my front door, but why do that when a less expensive lock is still going to pose enough of a challenge that a potential thief would give up and do something else instead? You can't make anything completely impenetrable, you just want to make it difficult enough that it's not worth it to the average thief.
Yes this is basically what this channel is it's showing that even some of the best locks in the world can't keep this guy out but it is still a challenge to do and get the tools for.
Plus, unless you actually re-enforce the door and doorway, the lock itself only does so much. Most doors you can literally just kick in with your foot. It's more about keeping regular people honest than actually preventing a determined person from getting in.
I lost several bikes, the one day I realised that all the bikes I lost have locks with them. The current bike I have has no lock and it's been with me for over a decade. No lock, no lost.
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