9mm VS 40 S&W VS 357 Sig VS 45 ACP VS 30 Super Carry | All Federal HST | Short Barrel Showdown!!! 

I'm impressed by the performance of the 30 SC out of the short barrel. It went deeper than even the 357 SIG!

Just confirms what I’ve already been thinking. Glock, Sig, Springfield, Taurus, etc need to make a competitor to the 30sc Shield Plus. The 30sc gives me 3 more rounds to kill my enemy in the same exact size Shield Plus as 9mm. It penetrates deeper while still expanding to basically the same size as 9mm. Why are these RU-vid gun fudds bitching so much about 30sc then?

Man this is a solid, honest comparison video. Im so damn glad younused 165 grain 40. The 180 is great for a 10mm. But 135-165 is the best for 40

Thanks for this video. I was just looking for an updated 30 super carry comparison. Great testing

I've got to start looking at a Glock 30

40 cal is the answer for two legged threats

The 30 sc went deeper due to smaller diameter equals less resistance in the gel .

Subjective right? With that said I am glad to see my chosen daily carry come out on what I believe to be the top of the list and that is the .45 for me. The not so subjective is how well the .30 super carry carried its weight and kept up with the 9mm and the .357. I was not a fan of the little thirty based on your earliest tests of it but it is proving itself to have, and hold onto, a place in the market. Great test and thank you!

They will all do the job !

Is 9mm equal to or superior to 357 Sig? Let’s think about that for ourselves for just a moment, shall we? I get it that some people pick a side and feel the need to defend their choice, but not to the extent of regurgitating pure nonsense that they themselves were misinformed on. Some ammo manufacturers actually have loads that even surpasses the ballistics of traditional 357 magnum performance. Underwood's 357 SIG Gold Dot for example. Also because it’s a bottleneck cartridge it has the added benefit of feeding more reliably than other pistol rounds. It’s flat shooting and will punch through auto glass like it was butter. It’s literally a 9mm projectile “except” because it’s 225-300 fps faster it penetrates most barriers as well as 10mm yet doesn’t over penetrate flesh, which is welcomed to aid in avoiding collateral damage. It has a flatter trajectory that in turn makes it more accurate and potent at distance. Though the penetration is no greater than 9mm in flesh, the cavity damage is much more devastating making it more likely to stop a threat with less shots. 357 Sig Compact and Subcompact firearms actually have more energy than an equivalent sized barrel length 10mm. Even out of as much as a 4” barrel, Underwood 125gr 357 Sig has the energy that’s equal to or greater than most 10mm loads with the exception of a few specialty loads. Basically 10mm energy only surpasses 357 Sig out of longer full size barrel lengths. Underwood has a 357 Sig 65g Xtreme Penetrator round that exceeds 2250+ fps out of just a 6” barrel. I don’t know of any other semiautomatic pistol caliber that has rounds capable of such velocities from a handgun. It goes straight through a 3A panel even. At those velocities normally temporary cavities tear. One of the most attractive benefits of owning a 357 Sig is the ability to convert the firearm to 40 S&W & 9mm with nothing more than a simple barrel swap. You also normally can do a 357 Sig or 9mm conversion if you own a 40 S&W firearm as well. That means you can train on whatever platform you’re most comfortable with and whatever ammo is the most affordable, and no it isn’t always 9mm. That means that you are less hindered by ammo shortages… and when you’re done training simply swap out the barrel and ammo back to 357SIG and you’re all set. Sadly on a native 9mm firearm you don’t have any option to do a conversion. I never understood what’s not to like about 357 SIG… well other than ammunition availability and cost being the only negatives I guess, but it is the better round. Keep in mind that when you compare 9mm +P or +P+ to try to achieve 357 Sig performance, 357 Sig is actually cheaper than 9mm. When I searched +P+ to get as close to 357 Sig performance as possible, it was more expensive than a standard 357 Sig JHP round. 9mm +P+ is still only 1300 fps in 124 grain. That’s 50 fps slower than the lowest end 125 grain Sig round at 1350 fps and we’re comparing +P+ 9mm ammo here. Yet the bare minimum 357 Sig performance isn’t even achievable and this is usually attempted in a platform that isn’t even recommended for +P+ or even +P at times. I say it’s best to swap to a 9mm conversion barrel when training and back to 357 Sig right before you’re all done to finish up with 357 to cut that expense down. In most cases the recoil of any superior round can be overcome with training. I actually have little to no recoil on one of my setups. It’s compensated. You’ll find that comps actually provide greater compensation with 357 Sig compared to 9mm because of the higher pressures. I do understand that some people are recoil sensitive and are more comfortable with 9mm or other lower recoiling rounds. I understand some just prefer the thought of higher capacity. I totally understand your decisions. But let’s not bash any superior round because you prematurely decided on a specific one. Naturally shot placement, especially with pistol calibers is key… but under pressure understandably, your shot placement could be lacking. With that in mind the welcomed advantages of 357 Sig could easily make the difference between life and death, shot placement aside. There’s nothing wrong with 9mm it’s awesome, but let’s be clear… it isn’t equal to 357 Sig and the few extra rounds it’s capable of holding in a magazine over 357 Sig definitely doesn’t make it the superior choice. In time I expect 357 Sig to make the comeback that 10mm has made in recent years… For myself these 357 Sig advantages make 9mm less desirable. How about for you?

I can tell ya that 124gr 9mm HST saved my a.. the other day. Large dog contact shot with G19 after me being torn up some in a surprise attack. I’m healing but alive.

Great video! This is why the 30SC is now my main carry. I can pocket carry and have more rounds.

This is the type of compare, contrast & contest experiment we all think & talk about. This should be good.

The answer for me is Underwood 135gr 45 Super Xtreme Defender traveling 1500 fps. Out of a 4.5”

The 45 is funny/temperamental. If you slow it down 100 fps, it may as well be an FMJ.

Three or four years ago my son convinced me to go to the firing range. I hadn’t fired a gun since that M-16 about 50 years ago and I wasn’t really interested, but okay. Surprisingly, I was hooked and I now have a fairly eclectic collection of guns in my safe. My knowledge of firearms will never come close to equaling yours, but I love watching your videos. Both the content and your presentation. Thanks and keep it up.

Very good demonstration. Looks like any of these place in the correct spot will damage area and reveal the fact that bad decisions have bad consequences.

That was interesting. I told a buddy of mine the other day that I was going to buy a Glock 41 MOS to be my new EDC. 😊 I think this confirms what ammo to choose. 😉

HST's are the best. All cartridges did really well. 45 really shined.

Just based on this, I would go with the 45 first, and the 30SC second. The 45 is first because it falls within penetration specs, but best the piss out of the others for expansion. I'd go with the 30SC second because it looked the same as everything else, but you get more of it.

Really impressed with that .45 from a short barrel.

Temporary wound tracks are similar... 40 tends to cause a bit nore permanent damage and 45 is just devastating.

The fact that the "wound tracks" looked basically the same when one of the objects being rammed through is double in diameter is a 'clear' indictment against the validity of Clear Ballistics gel. It's only useful in comparing relative penetration. If forced to chose which of these rounds to get hit in the torso with, NOBODY would choose the .45.

Cool test. I’m a fan of HST’s in general. I am a little surprised that 10mm wasn’t included in the video since I’ve seen you test it before. Those 45’s are impressive. Id like to make a request that you test the Speer g2 carry gun 200 grain 45 ACP+p in a future video. Id like to see how they compare to the HST though denim.

I carry a 30SC in a shield plus, loaded with HST. I greatly appreciate this comparison to other common carry calibers

357 Sig!

I currently carry an XDs .45, but need three mags to get 20 total rounds. Being able to have 30 with two mags of 30 SC is very tempting. Just wish more guns and ammo were available. I have not looked closely at the Shield in 30 SC, but it appears to be a 9mm just rechambered rather than designed from scratch around the 30 SC. Am I correct or is the slide and barrel narrower to take advantage of the smaller diameter round as compared to 9mm?

yet all the 9mm fan boys hate the 30 I did not have a 9 but now I have a 30 sc

I’d love to see this test repeated with a layer or two of denim. The 30 SC did not surprise me on the penetration (actually none of them did), but the 30 may really shine for winter carry. But just having 17 rounds on tap would be pretty comforting if you ask me. Thanks for the video!

And that is why I like my Glock 21 .

the 40 s&w took a house fly sitting on the gel block for a ride

I sure hope 357 Sig is at this party!?

Bigger hole means more 💀

Not good video

Whyyyy do you insist on saying "boo-let?"

I know that gel blocks aren’t cheap and they say you can shoot multiple shots into a block and still get good data, but I still think that for a true comparison, each round needs to be shot into the center of a fresh block if you really want a good comparison.

Great video my friend! I'm a huge fan of 30 SC! Can't wait for another one.

The lovely and talented RU-vid people unsubscribed me from your channel. What a pain.

...Ohhh, a short barrel HST test, this is going to be a good one

Holy HSTs Batman! IN...

John Browning invented 45ACP. Nothing else to say.😊😊😊

Thanks for this video, tells a lot about these rounds and their performance. I was shocked by the performance of the 30 Super Carry, and it surprised me that 40 wasn't a significant difference compared to the 9. It's comforting to see all of these expand well, however I wonder how this might change given more variables, like clothing or other barriers.

I always get the itching to reload every time I watch your videos……😂

Appreciate you bro!!

Where you get that 357 sig barrel?

Love the HST

Thanks for the video!!! I am a firm believer that most defense ammo is produced/developed to meet the FBI standards. This test shows that 👍