Adoptive Parents kick out adoptive Child and are now forced to pay child support 

Why would you think it would be deleted. We don't do that here ...

@@courtarchives hey, I didn’t know that. I commented on another video and said what I thought and my message was deleted within minutes (not one of your videos). I thought all RU-vid pages deleted comments if they weren’t “nice”. Thank you for the work you do with these videos. It’s appreciated.

I think adoption helps no one except the State. Never take in someone else’s problem.

100% hun

​@@Kayleigh169Yeah, I've had a lot of comments disappear as well. I think 99% of the time it's due to RU-vid's automatic system rather than the page creator. It's ridiculous the level of censorship that's occuring, be it words you can't type or words creators can't speak.

I noticed that, too. What a Karen!

Exactly!!!

thanks for pointing it out, it's terribly disturbing.

those boys sound very aggressive and violent. That why people need to be very careful when adopting a child. I won't adopt because I don't know the child back ground and I be to scare that the child will turn on me and my family. I seen many family kick their own child out the house when their child become violent or very hard to control. I feel sorry for adopted family.

@@EricaEarththat child is still their responsibility though. If they didn’t do the proper research and learn how to be trauma informed and seek the appropriate help and services it’s not the child’s fault and they just wash their hands of them oh well not my kids anymore. Disgusting. When you adopt a child you are making a commitment to be their parent.

Excellent point

Of course because the one he kicked out was nothing more than an extra paycheck for them😭

What's wrong with their 16 year old getting a part time job?

16 he can take care of himself.

@@pippylongstockings8600 my youngest son is about to turn 16 this summer and I couldn’t imagine kicking him out to fend for himself!! A 16 yr old is a CHILD. Getting a part time job to help out is one thing, taking care of themselves out on their own is another

Makes me wonder if they adopted to get the $900 from the state each month. If their business is that bad, they should go get JOBS!!!!!

@@GinaHarrisToo I was thinking the same! It is coming across that way. They are playing the victim. She went full "Karen".

They adopted the child at age 3 and had them for 13 years! Absolutely disgusting that they talk about this child like he's not even their child, much less their responsibility. I could understand this sentiment if you were taking a 17 year old foster child in and they were having behavioral issues, but this is crazy. My niece is adopted from the foster system and she moved in with them at age 3. She is my niece and my brother's child now, full stop. She had a very rough first three years, her biological dad was in prison for killing a cop, and her mom was/is a drug addict. No doubt she took significantly more parenting work than some other children, but she's a teenager who's doing wonderfully now because my brother and sister tried to give her everything she needed. They treated this child as an inconvenient paycheck. Disgusting.

Facts!

@@jackdanson2Her words about the “torment and torture” tells us all we need to know. 😞

Not really. Adoption is a favor that you're doing for the child.

100 % is a privilege. Being a parent to any child is a privilege.

They have their own bio kids so no need to adopt.

@@pearlsswine there are thousands of perspective parents waiting for newborns. There is a “ infant shortage” adoptive parents will go lengths to obtain a child. They love to gain the biological’s mothers trust and then completely close the adoption.

​@@pearlsswineyeah people that think that definitely shouldn't adopt. Kids don't deserve that. It's better to grow up in a facility than to have awful parents

After 13 FUCKING YEARS TOO

Bad parents that treated their adoptive kids as renters the moment they stopped being cute kids. Then they are surprised the kids that grew up essentially without parents have problems. Simply disgusting adoptive kids are your kids. Don't adopt until you're ready for that. If the kid has troubles then get them help don't kick them out.

Sadly that’s not true. Children can be and often are, harmed in the womb. Then add three years of neglect/abuse and you’ve potentially got a very disturbed child.

Either way, they adopted him, so they accepted responsibility of him

@@dragonmummy1 If the child was that messed up at the beginning it would have shown and they would have got out then. Ten years is a long time to decide that and it does look like it was nurture over nature.

If the child has FAS even birthparents can't handle the extreme cases. Was he even tested for this or a drug baby?

After seeing the reviews for their Buisness its clear something is off.... Justen Homer at Kigi Nursery

The guardian is similar. She said it wasn't a choice to take him in within one sentence, then calls it a choice based on her not wanting the kid in a group home in the very next sentence. I think she is trying to profit on taking kids in too. These people seem very similar.

Except that's not her son.

​@@pearlsswine they adopted the child that makes him her child

​@@pearlsswineyes it is they adopted him at 3 years old

@@_PatrickO I believe she meant, it wasn't her choice to take him in but it was her choice to keep him with her vs him going into a group home. Makes total sense.

"The rules for expenses with a home office are very strict." Said no accountant ever.

@@_PatrickOincorrect. used to be , actually a big audit trigger. Following the pandemic and the mass movement to working from home they have lightened up considerably on scrutiny.

@@jkd1975 exactly. I was audited once and he told me I was one of the only people he has audited that didn’t end up owing money with interest. I never once had an audit for a brick and mortar business in all of my years, but within 3 years of a home office was flagged and audited. He was actually a really nice, very intelligent person. Not at all what I expected from an IRS audit lol. He said he was thrilled because I kept meticulous records and didn’t just hand him a shoebox full of wadded up old receipts lol.

They were falsely claiming their wages to get SSI for the kid. They could owe more.

@@annabrahamson4320there is nothing in this video to even suggest that.

This was about 900 per month.

@@brendapatt7712 BINGO! It was the gravy train until it wasn't convenient anymore.

Why does the state give money for adopted children? Of you can't afford the children.. you shouldn't adopt! They'd probably never adopted these children if it weren't for the money!

@@iloveschicken6527 agreed. But change the focus of that sentence... The kids would probably never be adopted if it weren't for the money. It's not an ideal system, but families that want to help kids but may need financial support are more likely to help kids who need a home if the edges of the financial side of it are smoothed out. There are a lot of kids in homes because of these stimulus packages. This is just a shit version of how that plays out.

@michaelcritter7933 I understand to an extent but.. These folks owned their own business and had a good income! If they wanted to adopt to save 2 children... You move into a smaller home, cut unnecessary expenses.. whatever! When you adopt, you take 100 percent accountability and responsibility for that child as if you gave birth to them! I need more info on this story. Did they adopt them to save them or were they looking to add more joy to their family? There's a difference! Did they know these boys? Doesn't sound like it. Sounds like they sought to adopt. If you seek to adopt, make sure you can financially and mentally take on that responsibility! If you are adopting to save a child that you know is in trouble is a whole other ball game! It's very obvious that when you adopt or foster in cases like this, there's probably going to be some trama issues with these kids! That's why they are in the system to begin with. They didn't adopt these boys from birth. But I see what you are saying as well.

financial responsibilities don't end because your business fails - the parents are just clueless

They seem to be bringing in a lot of money, but have a lot of expenses, too. They're not keeping good track of what are purely business expenses, and what are normal living expenses.

based on reviews i can see why it isnt... Justen Homer at Kigi Nursery

They increased their profit during Covid, so that is not really demonstrated. And they delayed the figures on the pretext of “taxes”. They are income-splitting. He can claim her as dependent for tax purposes. I guarantee she is not an official employee of the business. They are making enough to need to cheat on their taxes.

Omg I just looked up his Linkin he describes himself as a "passionate family man" ​@@annaro3702

People do- I see it often in my job…Always super sad for the kiddo.

What in the world were they thinking!? You cant just have kids and then get rid of them whenever you feel like it. 😧

Didn't she say he was physically and emotionally abusing the family?

@@em55527yes

@@em55527 so do biological kids some times but it’s harder to surrender your rights with them .

I hope you hug and tell them you love and appreciate them, I was treated like my parent adopted me but I was actually birthed by her no hugs or I love yous I I now know I would start arguments to get attention, you're blessed so glad you know this

All teens adopted or not are trouble. Don't feel bad just give your parents a big hug next time you see them and say thank you for loving me though it all. I'm so thankful your my parents.

Shame on you! I hope you're still not selfish. They didn't have to adopt you and you obviously didn't deserve them.

​@@meggo329that's a lie and he absolutely should feel bad.

Did you physically threaten your mom or younger siblings?

YES EXACTLY.

THIS!!!!! They just added to his issues, this is cruelty.

I can understand. I was adopted and this was always the underlying threat. They had a biological daughter and for as long as I can remember when we would have little kid spats she would be allowed to say I should be returned to the orphanage. When I learned at school one day what it meant to be a foster child, I ran home in tears and asked my mom if I was finished when I was 18. I’ll never forget age said, “No, we’re stuck with you for good.” To this day, when I sign my name, I feel like I’m an imposter, or I’m stealing their identity, and I’m 60 years old.

Yes!!!

ABSOLUTELY. that Jude needs to find another area in law. Really judge why didn’t you show any emotion?

@@DiEppley-bu1jpbecause they are a judge …. The irony in you thinking the judge is doing their job poorly because they aren’t leading with emotion. SMH.

He has to make decisions based on the law and fact not emotion. Is it weird for you to see someone not being led by their emotions? If so maybe that points to a bigger issue.

​@@DiEppley-bu1jpA judge should absolutely not use emotion in making rulings. This is how unjust and even incorrect punishments happen. His job to take his feelings out of it and focus on what the law says. These people are absolutely vile, but he is behaving as a judge should.

I do believe the couple was using adoption to make money. However, the judge absolutely was knowledgeable and fair. His rationale was sound. The state attorney was clueless about how this income works.

That's why this judge was better, imo. He understood that her working outside the home could greatly impact what the family business is earning, thus making the overall amount lower than what is was previously.

And still ordered them to start paying support.

Yes sickening really

She never formed a bond she saw them as items that presented income. The adopted children lived with her for years and even then she holds no love for them

It is shocking how they repeat it like it’s not even a slip of the tongue. They obviously speak like this in front of them.

So, one of the adopted boys were adopted when he was 3 yrs old. Scary that none of the adopting parents seems to have any bond and love for him. Just hate and bitterness.

It's sadly very common. Adoptive parents will fight the birth parents for custody, paint themselves as saviors and then treat the adoptive kids as different from their own. The minute they experience any kind of hardship they will whine about how their "real kids" are suffering.

It’s so disturbing that people who chose to take on the responsibility and privilege of raising a child could ever send them back or reject them in any way. It’s like ripping the floor out from under someone…a vulnerable child at that! It makes me ill! I’m so glad that you were finally able to settle and know that your family is forever! It breaks my heart that you lived with such a terrifying thought/fear. I once told my Mother that I wanted new parents and my mom said “ok” and walked out if my room.I was in the 1st grade and I remember for a week after every time school would end and the principal would announce the names of the kids whose parents were there to pick them up I would shake with fear thinking that she would announce my name and my “new parents “ would be waiting for me. I was a bus rider! That is a core memory and it was terrifying but it’s nothing compared to what you went through and not for just a week. I wish you the best! Take care.

What is disturbing is that you can't see both sides. @@catherinewilson9894

I'm so glad to hear that you have wonderful parents, what a hard thing to deal with as a child. you've come so far :) ❤

This is so sad, I would just agree to send something a certain amount for the child outside of having to go through the courts, sounds like they just got rid of him since he is troubled and this is crazy.....to adopt then kick the kid out or wash your hands if u wash your hands sned the check that's the least u can do...poor kids

I’m adopted too. It’s a tricky road but I too was lucky to get parents who are with me through thick and thin~ and I’m not always easy to deal with.

Sounds like vindictive to me.

Top tier petty

Yeah very petty

THIS 👏👏👏 If you are looking to cut ties, give him his clothes and school supplies. That’s wild to me.

He probably does not have much. They sound like abusive people.

That’s such an odd word to use in this context lol. How do your children “escape” 😂…. Run away? Ok. Sneak out? Ok. Home past curfew? Ok. Escape ???? Escape from what

A lot of assumptions there.

It sounds as though the lady who took them in, guessed life was tough for them

"Escape" is a weird word choice

Slave labor at the family business

​​@@GrampiesCorner which they should have been to afford before the kids you f🎉king goofball. 😂

Some states give this stipend to allow a wider range of income people to be able to adequately support children they adopt. In an ideal world more families with their own adequate resources would step up to adopt the thousands of kids in foster care and they wouldn't need to include the stipend. Sadly, the vast majority of people who aren't willing to adopt (because the children do come with baggage) are very willing to talk about those that do.

Google "Cash for Kids." There are numerous reports about this situation. California was found to be the worst abuser for foster families when fostering became a thing.

@@GrampiesCornerand! What about those necessities? They have to live in that home as well right? They chose adoption and not foster care. This is the new “welfare “ system and you all are ok with that because you think these people really care about these kids they take on. But my bad, they don’t fit your narrative of what a “welfare queen “ looks like.

The government is jus as bad and set the standards. It's sick that DSHS, CPS, daycare centers, and school districts have been involved in child trafficking.

It’s called “The Karen”.

Those parents are awful especially the mother

Adopting is their true Business

Their business earned money, there’s a reason they didn’t turn in their actual income tax and he made profit/loss statements. Not only that, he added his personal expenses into his business expenses to make it seem they aren’t making that much from the business. If they are selling over $350,000 a year, they have to have a higher profit margin that that! Even 20% profit would be significant! I’m sure they are making 30% profit or more!

They did not get 900 for each child, they got 900 for 1- for a time, that stopped.

​​@@newhorizon1355There was a second adopted child so they would have gotten support for that child who they no longer have as well. The woman said she had 3 adopted children so logically at some point they received adoption support for all 3.

Sounds like adoption for profit😢

Exactly. And the child is drug free in her home vs not being drug free in the adoptive home?? Suspicious.

He has such a pleasant, gentle manner.

He’s great, I love that he’s able to remain unbiased and treat both parties equally. Exactly the demeanour a judge should have

lol if you know dumb people you know they love to talk themselves into their own problems . 😂😂😂 that’s why cops let suspects explain themselves before they ask questions.

They had him for so long it’s safe to assume they messed him up. He didn’t get this was on his own

​@@doxoxo779Agreed. And even if the kid had some mental illness or was neurodivrrgent whatever- it's still THEIR responsibility to deal with behaviors and get the kid the help he needs. My brother is severely autistic/ profoundly handicapped and was pretty destructive in his teens. But my family stepped up and got him all the help, therapy & meds he needed. He'll never live alone, but today he is a big sweet teddy bear that everyone loves. He is living his best life and it wasn't easy to get him there. It took WORK. You don't just walk away from your kids when it gets hard- reguardless of the reason.

Honestly my phone had to stay on the bed so I could walk away.

I know right, they had a woman take in TWO of the children they adopted and seem to only care about their girls. People like this make me sick.

i was sure at first that this was a case of adopting an older child and changing their mind, not that that is ok but how they can have a kid from age 3 to 16 and not feel like he is "theirs" my heart is broken for Kadin.

They are the money safety net

They just see a check for the child, they’re professional losers who don’t work and want to make money without any effort, aka adopting children and getting a check from the gov

really perhaps trying living with someone who assaults you and your family on a continuous basis before saying disposable, biological or adopted no famiily should put up with assaults.

Why not? They tried to give a home to a child that somebody else could want..,it didn't work. Let's all take a moment to think about the Republicans Banning abortion across the United States...hmmm what other plans for all those 1.2 million children forced to be born but nobody wanted

​@@user-fl1pc7zu7fthen get him into therapy. You signed paperwork and made him your child, people aren't disposable.

They're not getting paid for the child because he's not in the house...

The fact that they didn`t provide their complete tax-filings and returns from previous years, but rather some self-made sheets is sus....

@@Youre-Welcome I thought I heard they were receiving $900 a month from the state?

@@theacguy9546they were for 13 years then it stopped for the last 6 months or less from the adoption agency or state. Now TANF is paying the lady and her husband who has the child and the adopted parents don’t want to pay anything.

​@theacguy9546 they stopped receiving it after the child left the home.

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for real. this is so bizarre.

They just saw a pay check

All about the money ---imo 😢

If they adopted from the state; usually they state offers the help they need. They just have to ask for it.

They’re including all of their living expenses in the profit and loss statement.

@@l-train7876that’s still insane lol. Should have plenty. She seems like a real me me me type though

@@l-train7876which you’re supposed mix it not put 100%. I love how he said it’s not that clear on my tax return. That’s a crime lol

She relies on government handouts. She even said she was going to go on welfare which means she and her husband don't want to work hard but rely on government handouts for the children they took care of.

Grifter

@@bellereve1 Damn I didn't even catch that at first. Crazy!!!

Who hiring?

Sponging off kids, creeps.

Exactly!!!

Children. She is taking care of 2 of their children.

I came to the comments to say this. 100 percent agree. Raising kids is very difficult so don't do it if you don't have the capacity.

Yep, I think they knowingly committed adoption fraud

Bingo

And their 3 bio kids are all grown, so I don't know why they'd still have to support them.

You are an incredible person. ❤❤❤

Yes adoption is traumatic even in best case scenarios. I’m glad that you took the role of parent seriously and supported and loved your daughter through her childhood.

God bless you. I was adopted and abused by the wife. Bad enough to cause permanent disability. May God give you and your family the peace that passes understanding and happiness beyond imagination.

@@emilyk6510 ❤️

@@br4524 ❤️

😂 😂

I think she's under the influence of something. I've never seen anything so low key psycho before. This case is unbelievable.

Well technically he swam like hell to get to the egg faster than all the others and when he was in the womb he was replicating all his cells to grow himself. The woman’s body doesn’t create the baby the baby creates itself.

The way she keeps shaking her head is infuriating. She's shaking her head over the kid coming to foster home with no clothes school supplies. They don't even say you are wrong we did deliver him with supplies. She doesn't have the emotional control to support her own children, let alone adoptive.

She’s narcissistic as fuck.

@@MrAzkushright like why not at least give him his clothes and things he needs for school

When they behave like parents, and treat this child as their own, then they would deserve respect not before!

I have put my own parents through the ringer with my own drug addiction and autism and other issues. They'd NEVER have given me up for it. Never. It was hard, but they stuck through it. And we're closer than ever. I was not adopted, but that child who was adopted by this couple were still the PARENTS. full fledged parents. And rhey still gave up on him.

Pretty sure the dude is an alien but he kept it objective. He makes a good judge.

It’s a business to them, he’s a job

And they wonder why the kids are mad and acting out. If that’s how she talks about him to other imagine what she says when no one is looking

Literally they say they talk about “THEIR daughters” vs the adopted boy

Yes! I was thinking they adopted a teen but when I heard it was at age of 3! 😳 that’s a toddler!!

They only adopted those poor boys for the money. Adoptive parents with this history should be investigated.😮😮😮

Yet they filed taxes and didn't turn in those papers. 🤔

He does...just didnt want to say

They are lying!

Good call I noticed that too. Crazy!

Did a double take when she said that.

20:34 the slip.

I don't think it was a Freudian slip but I get what you mean. She absolutely considers her power over them as a jailer would. Like a purchase, "it's" mine to do what I want with. I'm sure they lie/pad their expenses as well

chills 😮 especially in the aftermath of the Ruby Franke horror and the kid escaping there

Yup she is a liberal for sure

Yes, but they did it 3 times and profited from IT until Mom got fed up and told Dad get rid of this one and let's get another one to fill in the financial gap. AND kept the kids clothes, toys/gadgets/sports equipment for each kid Jennifer took in? THEY used THESE kids for the money.

She has taken in TWO of the THREE boys these poor excuses for parents have adopted. They still have one living with them (for now), as well as their natural born daughters.

Punching holes and threatening violence on those trying to help is a bizarre way to ask for help. But like, what do you know about kids when your child has paws?

Me toooooo!!!!

As a 52 year old, a mother of 2 ,I am disgusted by these parents. and they make me sick as well. The woman is a special kind of B...

Every time she says anything, she looks worse. First it was that they cant afford to pay support for their child because shes working 60 hours a week at a home business that profits the family 45k or something. Then, its that they are unable to discipline their adopted child that they've been raising since he was 3 and is now 16.

National min wage is $7.25 an hour. Less then $16,000 a year

@@stephaniehowe0973 it also only applies if it's higher than a states minimum wage. Do you know what state they're from? Assuming you honestly wanted to provide some real food for thought.

@@skachor Maine's min wage is $14.15. I did that math on fed min. Which is $7.25 Yes 40 hrs a week 52 weeks a year is $29,000 here not everywhere

@stephaniehowe0973 yeah, that's why it came across as disingenuous

😂😂😂

Me too! 😁

Same

Same 😂

Me too

She couldn't raise a plant.

Haircut said it all really 😂

He called it "living expenses" and specified house payments, etc.

Its extremely easy to do that with online businesses. Lots of money is spent to make a little. Thats normal.

COGS

Duh

Trump taxes

Serious question, why is it that those who upload their dog photos as avatars ALWAYS have the worst take? A teenage male can't abuse a small framed old lady? I can't with you. Please interact with actual people and stop using your pet as a frame of reference.

They said he ran away

@@rockulikeahurricanethey can bring his possessions to this woman’s house, but they’re petty and spiteful and 100% kicked him out.

​@@rockulikeahurricaneThe lady taking them in said she had text to prove they were actually kicked out. I was hoping to read those so we could actually see what the truth was. I doubt she'd bring it up if they didn't really exist. These parents definitely seem very untrustworthy and probably did kick them out but are claiming they ran away.

@@rockulikeahurricane So? You can pack his stuff and drop it at CPS or have it picked up

But how else is she going to earn and income and be able to stay at home? The state paying for their adopted kids is the family's bread and butter!

@@oliviatree yup lol, at least these 2 kids ended up in a good home instead of locked in a box.

Were these adopted kids drug babies? I didn't see 1st video.

A lot of people with teenage boys have suffered worse with their sons eventually growing into respectfull decent adults. I can't sanction what they have done.

I thought you could if you ran your business through your home . Or atleast a portion of it

You can, but there are rules about how much of a percentage you can claim as a business expense... And 100% isn't it. These people should not only be charged with child abuse and have an investigation started on 'their kids' but they should also be investigated for tax fraud!

Only a percentage based upon exclusive use of home for business purposes. The irs requires people to be able to provide records of proof if they question it.

Don’t judge, you don’t know where they purchased those items or if it was given to them. Cheap and quality is possible, uncommon, but possible. If they audited their bookkeeping, you might find otherwise since they are sole proprietors. 100% exposure tells a lot!

@@dluxsolutionsathome5162don’t be obtuse. Regardless if it was gifted or purchased, a broke PARENT can sell expensive items to care for their children or pay child support.

@@dluxsolutionsathome5162and sometimes when you hear the sound of hoofbeats it’s a horse not a zebra🙄🤦🏾‍♀️

@@dluxsolutionsathome5162is it judging or the truth? Their sitting right on camera with everything she is able to visually see.

​@dluxsolutionsathome5162 The mental gymnastics you've just performed to defend these deadbeat clowns. They used him for a check. They're literally BROKE AS HELL and don't have enough $$$ to raise 1 child muchless 3.

I agree with everything you said completely, I got my first job at 15 years old as a freshman in high school.

and your degree is from what university and what experience have you had

Apparently the 16 year old iis special needs so perhaps he can't work.

When having a business you both should be working full time jobs to support your household n your business. Maybe your business should be a side hustle.

Probably told them they should be grateful too

💯The fact you're a crappy business person doesn't take priority over supporting children! They keep trying to use business results as a reason why they can't afford to take care of their children. Maybe a forensic accountant is needed to double check the business and personal records... As another commenter mentioned, not keeping a clear separation between personal and business could be a way to obfuscate taxable income.

So true. Mom should have to get a job. Her sons shouldn’t have to go without because she wants to allegedly work for free for 60 hours a week 🙄

Ah yes, Jorge, force the parents to host a child in their home. That is totes going to be healthy for the teenager being in a house where he is not wanted, cared about, or included. Why don't you think things through, Jorge?

This is why I am anti adoption and pro-choice. Now you have an unwanted child with special needs.

Crazy thing is this boy wasn't the first adopted child to leave. They are awful people.

EXACTLY!!!

Of course they were. Just like all the people they scammed through their business at KIGI nursery!

They said they got a $900.00 monthly adoption benefit from the state. Hardly enough to feed, cloth, transport or house a child but it probably helps.

​@@k.e.M_ So you think they adopted the 3 year old to grow up to be their nursery worker but he kicked holes in their walls instead? 🤔

😂😂😂😂

This is something that happens to small businesses and Farmers everyday.

@@melodyharpole8272 It's a sad thing. I'm a chicken farmer and I worked 60 hours yesterday so I can relate.

@@DilonSpithotfire60 hours yesterday 😂😂 well dang how long are your days

​@@melodyharpole8272that's why many farmers have off-farm jobs.

And adoption fraud apparently. Them not giving complete financials to THE COURT is sus af. Why are they not diverting the adoption funds to the woman who is actually caring for the kids??

@jessicaparks9495Let’s hope…

how, no he didn't and unless you have some tax training better be careful what you say

@@gateauxq4604 there is no such thing as adoption funds, when children are adopted they do not receive funding any longer, only foster children get funding not adopted, the family benefits are automatically transferred to the department when they come into care.

jessicaparks9495 I guarantee you are talking out of the lower part of your body, they have said nothing to lead to that