Airbrush Primer: Vallejo Surface Primer Vs Badger Stynylrez

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In this video, Airbrush Primer: Vallejo Surface Primer Vs Badger Stynylrez, I'll tackle the debate that is raging between which of these two brands of primer sucks and which is the best primer you should use for the rest of your life. *Disclaimer*: these are just my opinions, and the video is meant to be a bit in fun so don't take it too seriously (although I'm serious about my final judgement about these primers).
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@MegaMinis74 5 лет назад

I've used both with no problems. People will argue just to argue.

@Algebrodadio 5 лет назад

Especially on the internets.

@CafeenMan 5 лет назад

NO! People DON'T argue just to argue!!

@stephennoble2647 4 года назад

Not true. People share different views on certain products, so that other people can then make an educated decision based on the information they've received. It's not arguing it's learning...

@thomasw.bassett9550 Год назад

Haters gotta hate. I hate that.

@mikehunt7857 Год назад

Right, because they aren't meat riding a product and saying only positive things, they must just be toxic people that like drama.... Its interesting how you're not allowed to have a negative opinion about anything without being labeled a "hater" or "toxic" etc. Its almost like some people think only one form of modeling exists and people don't have different needs/requirements for the products they use on their projects. I build model cars and I NEED a sandable primer (not something that sands ok if you're really delicate and don't look at it wrong) without issues. Primer is a tool and shouldn't be a headache.

@bluedotdinosaur 4 года назад

In my experience vallejo primer is fine on plastics, is durable, and creates a very, very smooth finish for painting over. However, its one big problem that can be significant is that it just isn't sandable. It's far too rubbery, even when cured. Sanding it will cause it to crack and flake off in chunks. Depending on your modeling methods and needs - as well as possibly repainting a section of a model later - this could be an issue. Stynylrez, whatever its other properties, sands extremely well after it has fully cured. It can be buffed and feather sanded at edges. This does make redoing part of a model very easy and seamless. Essentially if you're never going to sand your plastic model after priming, Vallejo is perfectly fine. Just be warned about sanding.

@pawpawstew 4 года назад

I experienced the very same thing with Vallejo primer, but I don't do gsming figures. I do scale models. I've tried Mission Models primer as well. Tamiya was my go-to in the past, but I had to get awsy from lacquers and enamels. Stynylrez is my go-to now and I love it.

@christopherh4653 3 года назад

That's a fair point. I usually use Vallejo Primer. But you are correct in that it will flake when sanding. Of course you can overcome this with some fine grit sandpaper, but you are not incorrect. Anyone who has issues with clogging or it falling off has other issues though. It's not Vallejo.

@clarktrainham5435 2 года назад

@@christopherh4653 I just one of Bobby Waldren vids where he discussed this flaking issue. Two possible solutions. Let the primer dry rock hard for a minimum of 24 hours, or spray a couple of light coats of Future/Pledge over the spots that need extra attention.

@viper341 Год назад

Thanks for the info, based on this I just got some Stynylrez.

@aquaticnstuff7666 4 месяца назад

I just sanded some vallejo gloss black primer it was totally fine, there was no flaking or whatever. It sanded perfectly.

@skinnerboxx1945 3 года назад

Thank you for this - simple and concise without a ton of filler or un-needed content. I was already Subscribed but I dropped a Like - keep it up!

@richardc-ex7rt 4 года назад

My experience with Vallejo primer is it's glass smooth as long as you run it at a higher psi than you would for paints. I use about 25-26 psi.

@kirbydoom7688 3 года назад

Thanks much for the demonstration. I'm just starting to get into airbrushing for minis, so this was really helpful for me to watch

@luke_atthat Год назад

Thank you very much. Short, sweet and precise video. It answer many questions I had on primer, I have Stynylrez. Very beginner painter... and I definitively know now that I have to adjust my pressure and do some trials!

@GryphonArmorer 5 лет назад

I've been using Vallejo for almost two years now. On styrene and the soft "rubbery" plastics I've had nothing but problems with it adhering to the surface, except for maybe a couple times. I never used to wash the model parts prior to priming, now I have made it a habit. I've tried just about everything. Thinning it with my thinner, Vallejo thinner and both helped with the clogging issues but not with adherence. I've tried lightly scuffing the surface to no avail. I've found it works great on resin components/figures and the under side of bases and foam for action figure dioramas, but that's about it. I've tried all three colors purchased at different times from different vendors, but they all had the same effect. So I just recently picked up a bottle of Stynylrez and wow, what a difference. That stuff sticks to everything. I even shot it on some "old" styrene from the early 80's that I'm pretty sure has some mold release residue on it and it still stuck good. Like I said, I love Vallejo paint but, I will never use their surface primers ever again.

@benjimlem1284 4 года назад

Did you try another bottle of Vallejo primer? They have occasional dud bottle, plus if it freezes in transport it can go bad.

@Reapray 5 лет назад

Thanks for doing this video, I'm gonna pick up and try some of the Stynlrez, I like that more matte finish.

@wilwil888 2 года назад

I experienced frequent clogging with Vallejo. I use a mini compressor with max 30psi and 0.5mm airbrush, thinning and higher pressure will definitely help but the rubbery texture is not sandable.

@youtubevanced4900 2 года назад

Same. I'm going to get stynalres in hope it doesn't clog as much.

@simi_ziggy 2 года назад

I've used both for model kits - not minis. My biggest beef against the Vallejo is that it is not sandable as was already commented. It does seem to have a slightly rubbery feel to it. The Stynylrez primer feathers beautifully when sanded - which makes a big deal for my applications.

@benjimlem1284 2 года назад

What color did you use? I've recently started using an airbrush and even tho I have like few hours of expirience, black vallejo sprays like a charm, no issues what-so-ev-er. Grey regular and grey mecha color primers kinda suck - they don't really want to spray, but black works great, no issues.

@TinyRyno 2 месяца назад

Could anyone tell me If the Vallejo is good with masking tape? I've been having a very difficult time finding paint/tape that won't result in peeled primer/paint

@joehough838 5 лет назад

Could the issue be 'Operator's timing and User Headspace'?

@ralphrenzetti22 5 лет назад

I’ve used both. I do a lot of scratch-building with Evergreen styrene. I have always wet sanded 8 to 24 hrs after priming and the Vallejo rolled of under the 600 grit paper. Did not have that problem with Stynelrez.

@pikimiki3956 5 лет назад

This argument comes out of scale modeling world, where tons of modellers (including myself) had problems with vallejo primer peeling off after using masking tape. Problem (it's not really problem) with Vallejo is that it dry quick to touch but it need long time to cure properly. But if you let Vallejo primer to cure at least 48h (i think it's also factory recommendation) before you aplay next paint, there should be no worry that will peel of, wile on other hand there are no problems with Badger. So at the end it's all abouth what are you painthing, If i would only paint figures i would be comfortable using Vallejo but since i'm also making models it's not a brainiac for me to use Badger, it cures faster, when it's cured it's much stronger and makes way supirier bond to different matirials.

@berkeleygang1834 3 года назад

You make a good point. Rubbing applies a shear force on the primer. Peeling masking tape applies a tensile force (even if you do like you should, and peel it back onto itself). If you look at ACC, it's much stronger in tension than shear. We also have to look at not only how the primer adheres to the model, but how subsequent coats (color, decals, clear) also will adhere to the primer. Finally, with all the different paints out there, are any of them attacking these primers, compromising the adhesion?

@FredCheckers 3 года назад

I've had the same issue. A lot of mini painters are used to being able to paint a couple hours after priming by rattle can. For that reason I do prefer Badger.

@RogerVicki 2 года назад

I’ve just started airbrushing and love the way Vallejo primer works and I’ve primed over 50 models in last few days I will be sticking to Vallejo

@ukiewolf 4 года назад

thanks … very well presented and argued/demonstrated it all comes down to preferences

@ODYSx2 4 года назад

hi ! I do some sculptures from plastic and epoxy and need a clear top coat that is eassy to buff and as much shine as possible what you suggest . I have aircompressor and airbrushes -sprayguns .

@Supermonkeeman 3 месяца назад

This has been my experience as well. Some colors of primer may not do well when applied with a brush, but I’ve never had any issues when using an airbrush.

@startledrat102 3 года назад

Thanks for this! I never got good results with Vallejo primers (my fault) and I was surprised they would release something like that given the quality of their other products. However I boosted the PSI as you suggested and it worked great!

@aidanmaldonado9917 11 месяцев назад

What psi and what needle? Cuz I am getting some sputters and textures

@Alamn420 5 лет назад

You perfectly described the situation I have been in with white stynylrez. I keep asking myself if I just got a bad batch, but the possibility of it having been frozen before i got it makes perfect sense. Time to filter it....

@DeathMortarion 5 лет назад

I have used both of these as brush on primers, and the stynylrez seems tougher. I also prefer it's matte finish, the only thing I don't like is its seemingly potent smell. I got a sore throat and felt kind of off the night after using it on some hanomags, but I can't say for sure that was the cause. Just cause it's acrylic doesn't mean it's safe, urethane paints also tend to put off isocyanates but i'm not sure if these model primers do.

@MaskedRiderChris 3 года назад

I've been using the Vallejo primer for quite some time, now, only hand brushing it on as opposed to airbrushing it, and after letting it dry overnight, it works fine for me. So around 30-40 psi pressure to airbrush and we're good to go, then, yes?

@wonderbreadmodelsandhistor1566 2 года назад

Just the comparison I was looking for thank you

@richardhewitt6081 4 года назад

Nice commentary - thank you. Well presented and no bias. Fairly new to airbrushing and your comments will be useful.

@MikePaquette 3 года назад

I use VSP on my larger scale models. How good is it at staying adhered to the plastic after removing some masking tape?

@PennysPitstop 4 месяца назад

I used to get spattering with vallejo white,.was advised to try stylerez. Never had a problem again. Years later still using stylerez however i wonder if it was down to my airbrush skills and i got better at the time i switched primers.

@vladimirhernandez3483 3 года назад

very grateful for your tricks.

@SaschaUncia 2 года назад

I also had trouble with my white stynylrez, the pigment had turned to gum at the bottom. The other two bottles that came with my three pack were fine. Grey one is so nice, if a bit dark.

@philipbeaudet2918 4 года назад

What about other colors and brush on techniques?

@Appolyon 5 лет назад

So without thinner and with ca. 40 psi? Well, i'll try that. How important is the thickness of the noozle?

@ericb.davenport9762 2 года назад

Very interesting. Thanks.

@tombrand236 2 года назад

I have been trying to use Vallejo gloss black primer with terrible results, but was doing it right over a painted/varnished model so presumably that’s not something I should be doing!?

@Kaargl 2 года назад

Tried airbrushing vallejo primer on some gw minis. Dried for 3 entire days, 72hrs. The primer came off when applying a wash with a soft brush. Consecutive tests on other pieces proved that it flaked off after contact with water. Washed off with a brush in water. Maybe they forgot to put polyurethane in the bottle I bought. Note, this was high gloss black. Will try a matte one but I might just go back to rattle can primers if the problem persists.

@markrayton6385 5 лет назад

I use stynlrez and ump here in the uk although I think it is the same stuff. I love it and have had no problems. Never used the vallejo so can’t comment but the problems I have read about vallejo primer is it peels but the main thing I read about it is it comes off when masking tape is removed. Maybe you could try a video on removing masking tape and then see what happens. Thanks for sharing this video.

@protochrisx 2 года назад

I know this is an old video, but have you tried the Monument Hobbies primer? I've had huge issues with it rubbing off of my minis after priming (GW plastic) and when I emailed the company they said it could do that, yeah, but after you get paint on it then it's solid. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me but my other other experience is GW rattlecan that I have never had a problem with rubbing off.

@TheMiniJunkie 2 года назад

I haven't tbh

@blomy67 5 лет назад

A great comparison and you made a very good point regarding shelf life . But I have always had issues with vallejo primer lifting when masking but never had the problem with Stynylrez .

@martyshobbyisland 5 лет назад

Personally I’ve had the odd small issue with the Vallejo grey primer but I have had the bottle a fair time but recently got the black and it’s amazing

@TiffanyPackard 3 месяца назад

I use both primers myself and love them both. I have been using the Badger Stynlrez for much longer then the Vallejo. I have a few bottles that have never frozen of the Stynlrez and they are nearing six or seven years old and still shoot just fine. Good video and thanks for the info.

@BrianGreenstone 3 года назад

Do you think these would work ok with a cordless airbrush? Those typically are sub-20psi once loaded.

@TheMiniJunkie 3 года назад

I think so. Tough to say for sure. Depends on needle/nozzle diameter as well. .2mm might clog.

@TriptonStudios 5 лет назад

I’ve used both, do the same test with metal model the Vallejo will come off more than stynelrez but they both will, don’t mind Vallejo at all though, but 32oz of stynelrez for 50.00 on Amazon when Vallejo cost 12-15 for 200ml unless there is a bigger than 200ml ???

@websitesthatneedanem 4 года назад

❓ Technical Question: 2:45 - What control were / are you using to remote zoom the camera?

@TheMiniJunkie 4 года назад

Martin I think I did it manually but I film with FilmicPro on iPhone

@ReallyBigBadAndy76 5 лет назад

I have had a great experience with my black and brown Vallejo primer. White and gray have been a bit problematic, especially the white. It comes out a bit grainy. I haven’t tried anything else.

@andrewchan1837 3 года назад

Same thing mate vallejo black primer is awesome. But when it comes to grey and white i would use evo surfacer or mr surfacer.

@polrudolf 8 месяцев назад

@@andrewchan1837 Same here. Black is not bad but when you pick any other color, it sucks...

@glovehandles 6 месяцев назад

It’s 2024 and I found this video because people are still saying the same things. Thanks for not being a fanboy about it and checking for the rest of us new to airbrushing.

@TheMiniJunkie 6 месяцев назад

Cool :) in the end I largely have stuck with Vallejo Surface Primer in various colors.

@AleksandrMotsjonov 2 года назад

Do you have nozzle cap removed why? Is it for quicker access to clean the tip? Does it influences the quality of spraying?

@TheMiniJunkie 2 года назад

Yep to remove dry paint from the tip (happens a lot with acrylics). No effect on the spray.

@noahbodhi8657 2 года назад

What about white? I have terrible experience with white primer for highlighting.

@PaladinJenkis 4 года назад

Just wondering, I've used the Grey Vallejo Surface Primer on a plastic model that was completely cleaned before. I am comparing it with citadel rattle can primer and found that the citadel primer is a lot more scratch resistant than vallejo. Am I applying this wrong or are my expectations off? I am painting models playing tabletop and I am afraid the color might come off with Vallejo primer. Cheers!

@TheMiniJunkie 4 года назад

Leeroy Jenkins Vallejo surface primer should work really well on plastic models, but I do find that spray can primes are the most resistant to scratches.

@Nobleshield 3 года назад

The main thing I like about Vallejo primer (the black one anyway) is that it works equally well with a brush if I need to touch up some things or in the event I can't use my airbrush. Does the Stynylrez primer work with a brush (not that it's an idea way to use it, but can it be done) as well? Plus the Vallejo primer gives you more for just a little bit more. Stynylrez is 120ml and Vallejo is 200ml for around $5 more depending on where you get it.

@ftkinney 3 года назад

I use Stynylrez with a brush all the time. It is quite thin but I think it brushes great.

@TheIcemanModdeler 2 года назад

Only been using Duplicolor grey primer out of a spray can, using the airbrush mostly for base coats, metallics, varnishes and protective coats, usually keep the compressor at around 20 PSI.

@rustydenison9391 5 лет назад

I did have problems with AK primers . They seemed to be unmixable . All the ones I bought have been discontinued .

@ja37d-34 2 года назад

I use both on model airplanes, some very light grey Vallejo and a little draker grey UMP (Syynylrez). Works great. Vallejo takes a little longer to be able to sand it seems, but I leave both for a week if I need to really sand it heavy. (wings)

@davedogge2280 5 лет назад

Vallejo Surface primer is excellent a couple of drops of air flow improver into the primer cup and airbrush away

@greenmachineminis206 3 года назад

I just did the same comparison. Both of these primers are my goto air brush primers. the only time the Vallejo ever ruined off on me was because I did not completely wash my model. I thought I had, it was a fluke that I missed a piece of it. Vallejo sprays out best at about 35 PSI as recommended. never clogged in my cheapo airbrush. I got some soldering trying each at a lower pressure. I have found that badger feels a bit harder to the touch when cured. Each one of them brushes on equally well with little to no obcuring of detail. This was a good video. I am still a fan and was not offended. lol.

@sakidickerson 5 лет назад

Can you use both of these as brush on too?

@Tombonzo 5 лет назад

Saki Dickerson - I use the Vallejo Black and White colors.... brush on only as I don’t have an airbrush. No problems here.

@urloony 5 лет назад

Do you ever notice a difference with white primers from either Vallejo or Badger?

@TheMiniJunkie 5 лет назад

Chris unfortunately my white Badger primer doesn’t work well, I think it might have frozen at one point.

@ipodhty 3 года назад

As someone who has had issues I really don't like vallejo primer. It wasn't durable and not sandable. So what's the point?

@AbstractArchitectureEnthusiast 5 лет назад

I'm wondering, is it a good idea to put some varnish on primed mini to seal primer strength? Like vallejo varnish on Badgers primer etc. I'm new in painting minis, so i'd like to ask first,before I do something regrettable o/

@TheMiniJunkie 5 лет назад

m g I don’t think it would hurt, although primer has “tooth” to it that helps with paint adhesion so it might interfere with that. I don’t think it’s strictly necessary to varnish the primer, tbh.

@AbstractArchitectureEnthusiast 5 лет назад

@@TheMiniJunkie I see. Thanks!

@nickbutler7935 3 года назад

I use both products and have had no issues with either. If I have to rush a job after priming I may use a hairdryer to speed drying, and I always use a low tack masking tape a low tack masking tape.

@Mumwaldee Год назад

Thank you very much for this, I was fighting this primer for a few days and was about to chuck it all in the trash.

@IAmACrab2020 4 года назад

tbh idk what my problem is then cause I notice my models I primed with badger and have even given a varnish top coat too kind of rub off after a while or even while I'm painting =/, maybe I need more than 1 coat

@dirkmcfangdangler8295 5 лет назад

I just did a project that used badger black with Vallejo light grey for zenithal. No problem at all, I like them both, but I’ll admit I only got the badger because Vallejo was out of stock

@jorey4565 4 года назад

Work for years with vallejo black primer ,airbrushing on resin kit,metal,plastic..perfect finish ,dry very fast,zero orange peeling,smooth surface.. Important to clean the surface before spraying the primer..👍

@javiergarcell3075 5 лет назад

I have used both primers on miniatures and resin model kits and both work well but Vallejo has issues. When I have primed with Vallejo black primer the paint has not rubbed off. What it has done is when using Tamyia masking tape on a project, once I was done and I pulled up the tape, the paint came up with it in certain spot. With Stynyrez I never had that issue. I still have some Vellejo primer and use it but avoid masking over it.

@PyromancerRift 5 лет назад

Strange. Tamiya masking tape's adhesive is very very light.

@javiergarcell3075 5 лет назад

@@PyromancerRift I know. When it happen to me I was surprised, but I went online and other youtubers had the same issue. What I do like about Vallejo is how well it sprays with little clogging.

@johnm487 5 лет назад

@@javiergarcell3075 Same exact thing happened to me the other night using black Vallejo primer, Tamyia masking tape striped the primer off, despite letting it dry for 24+ hours.

@s7r49 8 месяцев назад

Now I see this video/comments. I have been trying to use the valejo on soft plastic models (hero quest) and have had a nightmare of peeling and reactivation even in some cases. I just switched to badger this weekend and it's working flawlessly. soooo much better and the paint sticks to it too

@66PHILB 2 года назад

I just tried sanding an Airfix Severn Class Lifeboat hull which I sprayed with Vallejo primer 5 years ago (yes, years) and it immediately tore up under 800 grit wet n dry paper. The good news is the primer stripped off nicely with supermarket all-purpose cleaner. Vallejo's primer is great for coverage and a smooth finish but if you'll have to sand it, I'd advise using a different primer.

@kingtentacleau1805 4 года назад

My milage with Vallejo white is it goes on well at first, but after the 2nd or 3rd model, begins to tip dry super fast, and gum up in the pot risking bits breaking away and clogging the brush. Have some Badger wating, will see how it performs by comparison. Vallejo needed to be thinned a little, and that helped it go on, and with the tip dry a little but became a big issue later, with sputtering and chunks ending up on my models during their second coat. And this was only painting 8 models. I feel to do a proper test you should have painted a small batch of models rather then one each, to see how it performs on a longer session.

@brianphipps3199 2 года назад

Spot... On!

@jimb569 5 лет назад

I have had a few issues with the Vallejo lately, the black and the grey on metal miniatures. The black will sometimes not stick to the metal (separating shortly after contact - and I have washed the models with both joy and alcohol to no improvement) or will wipe off really easily, even while painting unless I preheat the model with a hair dryer. I believe the bottle is bad though, as is separates in the bottle with some sort of beige liquid settling to the bottom, so I added mixing balls and shake the crap out of it before hand. The grey just gets heavy and won't spray a fine mist, even with flow improver and or thinner. So I am going to try the badger. I am pretty sure the stuff I have are bad bottles, but I've heard good things about the badger, so I will give it a try.

@tabletopandwargames8382 4 года назад

I use Vellejo too and it works pretty good.

@rustydenison9391 5 лет назад

I've never had a problem with them wiping off. I always spray them with thinner before and let them dry .

@jonscott1 4 года назад

I may have had a bad bottle of the black primer but it is almost like it's partially dried in the bottle and has lots of mini chunks in the paint which block my airbrush within minutes of using it which is rather annoying. The white and grey haven't been anywhere near as bad but the grey does clog a little more than regular paint.

@raulortiz4782 5 лет назад

Is white primer Vallejo good?

@TheMiniJunkie 5 лет назад

Raul Ortiz yes

@warc8us Год назад

The problem with Stynylrez is if its been frozen at all before it gets to you or after it gets to you, it will clump up. And then it'll clog airbrushes no matter how big the needle and nozzle are. I made the mistake of ordering the stuff during the winter months and it must have shipped from the North on the way to me in Texas, because it was junk by the time it got to me. Massive dry tip, massive clogs, even when I tried to strain it and thin it. I would love to have access to a good acrylic primer....But in the meantime, I use Mr. Surfacer 1500 mixed 50/50 with lacquer thinner. It works fantastically, the best airbrush primer I've used to date. I make scale models in 1/32 or 1/35 scale, so I am putting down a lot of it. You just need to wear a respirator when you spray it, you need a spray booth or some kind of ventilation system, and you need harsher cleaners to get it out of your airbrush.

@corkcamden9878 2 года назад

You stated what I consider to be facts. I didn't think you were pretentious. I think people-such as myself-tend to rush into something without the proper study. I usually learn by screwing up, but I found by reseaching what thinners, flow improvers and so on have given people the best results, I get good results, too. After I learned about these additives, what they do and the proper proportions, my airbrushing improved and my frustration level bottomed out. Learn about your tools, what they do and what they cannot do and the results are generally very satisfactory. Good information, sir. Cheers! Cork

@trollpainterandson399 5 лет назад

I like both (I also use home improvement store spray cans). I am under the impression the vallejo is more readily available and is more common. I think that availability contributes to the online reputation in a few ways (at least with tabletop crowd). I would guess that vallejo is more often a first used primer by less experienced painters. More bad experiences with the whole AB priming process will therefore occur with vallejo, even if that is not the reason for difficulty. I often see people who have experience seeking out the badger product (and by have both more experience and realistic expectations). I think the scarcity also contributes to the reputation; it takes a little more effort to get, more exclusive, and you really want it to be great. I don't consider myself a great artist and use many brands and colors of paint. Some of the people I consider amazing artists restrict themselves to a very small selection of tools (i.e. 1 kind of primer, 1 "blue", etc) and that makes sense to me for someone who has put in the time to be consistent and sensitive to slight differences.

@RamoArt 5 лет назад

That's an interesting theory and I think it's very likely that it contributes to the bad reputation. Some complaints don't fit in with that theory though, like people saying it used to be good and then they got a new bottle and it sucked.

@sergenowehopweres5594 4 года назад

lovely. Thank you. :)

@LordBelakor 4 месяца назад

I used Vallejo primer for 2 years and had some issues, always using a bit of thinner and still clogging up, then I accidentally used "to much" thinner and it works like a charm. I do not know the other, but if you use more thinnner on the Vallejo primer, it is just working beautifully. Only rubbing off when a thin coat, I am always doing 2 coats, which I think you always should, as to much handling with your oily fingers will rub off everything, especially if you hold the mini at the same part over and over

@IAmACrab2020 5 лет назад

my only issue is even after allowing to dry they both scratch off while gw citadel primer doesn't scratch off with my fingernails (I've had problem with both airbrush primers coming off when handling the model to paint) they're both still really decent primers though I might just not be shaking them enouhg possibly need steel ball bearings

@DeathRiel.Atelier Год назад

So I used chipping medium and it managed to humidify all paint layers below reaching to the primer and making the whole thing flake , not just the latest coat.. 😖

@lovinmusic500 4 года назад

When using Vallejo surface primer do you have to wear a face mask when just brushing on or only when airbrushing?

@TheMiniJunkie 4 года назад

No. I don't even use one when I airbrush it.

@westernkeep99 4 года назад

I always wear a respirator mask (type with a replaceable fabric and charcoal filter) regardless of what paint I am spraying or airbrushing, inhaling paint particulates is dangerous. A good filter mask and replacing the filters regularly is a little expensive, but consider the value of your lungs or the cost of cancer treatment!

@BenCostaII 3 года назад

Seeing your rubbing on the minis post brushing has me wondering if I got a lemon of a bottle. I use mine just as you did, straight out of the bottle. The Vallejo comes out the brush great, no issues, nothing. Even DAYS after, just the lightest scratch with a fingernail, let alone a hefty rubbing will bring the primer right up. I shake the heck out of my bottles too, and I’m not sure what was wrong. Going to try Stynylrez shortly, hoping my bottle of that works better.

@TheMiniJunkie 3 года назад

Weird - yeah mine sticks on so hard it’s actually very difficult to remove. Like when I try to strip minis, it does NOT want to come off. Now, that said I’m taking about HIPS plastic minis. Metal minis it’s considerably easier to remove.

@briangilgan 4 года назад

My problem with Vallejo primer isn't that it doesn't adhere well enough, but that it doesn't sand very well. It has a tendency to tear, and the edges of the tearing are difficult to remove or hide. I don't have this problem with Stynylrez.

@The901meister 5 лет назад

Coming from a background of painting real world autos, the problem with paint adhesion is a surface prep problem. If you wash and soak your models to remove mold release compounds you should have no problem with adhesion. I have been using Vallejo primers for many years with no problems. As with any airbrush painting you use a good airbrush(.3mm max), proper pressure(usually @20psi) and make several passes with a flash time in between coats. Always allow at least 24 hours of cure time for any primer. I have always thinned Vallejo primers to the same milk-like consistency as when using regular paints and have never sprayed any Vallejo paint including Model Air without some amount of thinner. Thick paint hides details and is a recipe for disaster. If you want to see good airbrush technique view some vids by Les Bursley.

@ctno3 4 года назад

Wow that was a super thick coat of primer but great video you can see both are durable (esp with a coat that thick 😂)

@soylencer 4 месяца назад

I'm new to certain aspects of this hobby but not entirely. My recent trip over the internet while doing some research tells me that Vallejo products seem to need a little extra shakig and mixing. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a lot of user error here. As I'm replacing my old Apple barrel paints with better things, I invested $5 in some glass beads to use as agitators. I expect that will help me get ahead of some of these reddit complaints. An upside of getting into this now is that Vallejo is refreshed much of their hobby product line -- whether that is some of the formulas or simply the labeling -- it's easy for me to be sure that I'm getting product that has not been sitting in a sun-bleached paint rack for 8 years at a game shop.

@PatricksScaleModelShop 3 месяца назад

I love both of those primers. Never had a problem with either.

@jaybe2908 3 года назад

I have both but I rate the Badger paint much higher, you can just whack it on thick as anything and it dries to the smoothest finish going, showing all detail.

@alexl.8748 5 лет назад

havent used vallejo but stynylrez is amazing thus far

@ap777200 5 лет назад

Can you blend these primers with other colors to get a primer color that you want? That is blend a white primer with interior green etc.

@TheMiniJunkie 5 лет назад

ap777200 haven’t tried - they offer colored primers so when necessary I just use those. It would probably work, though.

@ap777200 5 лет назад

@@TheMiniJunkie Thanks for the info! I just picked up three bottles Black\Grey\White and I am going to see if I can use it in my airbrush with a .3mm needle at around 30-35 psi.

@williamharvey7076 4 года назад

I have mixed black and white stylenrez to make gray, rather than buy gray. It works just fine.

@timdodd3897 3 года назад

Haven't tried either yet, but I like my Badger compressor and airbrush.

@adof7257 5 лет назад

Hi pal, most black primers are really great. Even water-thinned liquitex gesso. White is a problematic primer. I have both brands here. And stynylrez seems to separate with time. I had issues with frozen ones, but sometimes bottles get unusable after sitting in the corner for too long, no probs with vallejo. after some shaking it was ready to go.

@PALguy329 4 года назад

Yea i absolutely love the black vallejo primer but the white one i have nothing but issues with it. It either splatters or is just toooo thin. I have to do at least 3+ coats of it 😩😩😩

@Blandco 5 лет назад

What does letting them dry for 5 minutes prove? It says right on the bottle that it takes a full 12 hours to fully cure.

@TheMiniJunkie 5 лет назад

Blandco just that you can work with it faster if you don’t want to wait 12 hours. If the paint had rubbed off after 5 mins then I’d see the point. But it’s ready to paint over pretty much right away.

@corwinvanhook3264 5 лет назад

@@TheMiniJunkie you really can't just do base coat, itll take weeks to cure

@benjimlem1284 5 лет назад

I heard white primer from Vallejo is tragic, but that's just what I heard - when I was testing my grey primer I've let it dry 24 hours and then tried scratching it - with my thumb, with my nail and I really (and I mean REALLY) had to try for it to come off, and even then it only would chip a bit, not peel - I did have some problem with peeling, but I suspect that was either mould release or oils from my fingers, because after I started washing my sprues before priming the problem is gone. I heard good thing about stynylrez is that it can be sanded (unlike vallejo) but as a miniature painter I dont need to sand my minis anyway, so...

@joeynuggetz 5 лет назад

One thing I noticed is that the vallejo looks wet when you sprayed it and mine never looks that way. Perhaps that's what we're doing wrong. My primer looks dry when it hits the model. Maybe with a heavier/wetter coats it might adhere better. Gonna go a bit heavier on my next prime to see what's up.

@josta2010 5 лет назад

If it's dry looking on the model try shortening the distance between the two. Spraying in higher temperatures can lead to this also. Larger distances & high ambient temperature can dry the paint out before it hits the model.

@butchsbasementbuilds6828 6 месяцев назад

The problem with Valejo Primer is usually on larger kits. Even if you wash your kits and I do, Vallejo doesn't sand well. Also if you are working on a kit that you are going to mask over for paint Vallejo is bad about pulling off with the tape. I switched to Stynylrez problem solved.

@madMARTYNmarsh1981 2 года назад

I've used both and I can't get either to work well, Vallejo peeled, Stynylrez flaked off. I recently tried AK interactive primer. It went on lovely, I thought I'd found my go to primer... it literally rubs off with my finger. I'm very areful in preparing my miniatures, I wash them with washing up liquid, a good rinse then put it in an ultrasonic cleaner to ensure the washing up liquid is out of the creases etc. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Today I got some Pro-Acryl primer, I'm hoping this one just works because if not I'll have to go back to spray can and I hate those. I've got about £140 worth of primer in my cupboard, it's such a pain in the arse!

@TheWillz02 4 года назад

I'll say this, I've been using black vallejo primer pretty much only and nust recently started having issues with with it keep clogging after a few mins and just finished priming some infinity miniatures and had to thin it to get it to not clog. I think it with Vallejo airbrush thinner and havent gave me any issues either Oh and I had been having the same issue with the bottle I've had and just literally received a new one and same issue

@curveycurve82 5 лет назад

Do you have any opinions on brush on primer?

@TheMiniJunkie 5 лет назад

papacheeze82 I haven't used any in years, but I've found the Vallejo Surface Primer does brush on reasonably well.

@curveycurve82 5 лет назад

The MiniJunkie thanks bud. You’re getting me into painting with your awesome tutorials

@Donmegamuffin 4 года назад

My only other experience other than Vallejo airbrush primer is with rattle-can spray primers/paints, and I find that Vallejo's airbrush primer compared the spray primers has had SIGNIFICANTLY easier time peeling and chipping, and much worse adhesion to the surface, but provided much better detail preservation and uniform coating thanks to the airbrush application... I want to see what Stynylrez is like in comparison to see what the fuss is about, but I imagine neither will be as good as rattle-can stuff :)

@DeathMortarion 4 года назад

This is true, just cause the rattle can stuff has solvents which bind the paint to the plastic. The airbrush primer is just water based polyurethane. Airbrush primer needs days to cure from my experience, 3 days minimum. Even then if you drop the figure or try to scrape it with your nail, anything where some force is applied then it will scrape off. I brush on primer to my models only cause I can no longer stand the fumes from rattle cans, after doing some research and myself feeling off after a spray session I decided to swear off em for good. Xylene is one of the major offenders I have found

@williamfotiou7577 5 месяцев назад

Most people just want to hear themselves talk and/or sound authoritative. They are a joke. I have never had a problem with Vallejo and it is a fine primer. It produces a fine finish that is a great base for paint. As you said, I don’t know what people are doing to it. Great review.

@splinter8353 4 года назад

I've used many types of primers and love both of those, the only one that id say is bad is MIG AMMO Waterborne polymer

@apoclypse 3 года назад

Do you mean the Ammo Lucky Primer? Isn't that just Stynylrez with another name.

@splinter8353 3 года назад

@@apoclypse the waterborne polymer is completely different to the one shot, it been out a lot longer. If you don’t shake it for at least 5 minutes or put down very thin layers it won’t work and it’s very hard to get it to look even. One Shot Primer is excellent

@ChesterTheSpider 5 лет назад

Not sure what my problem is. I use Vallejo model air and I love their airbrush paints. I use their grey surface primer and I do get some clogging over time. Maybe I should adjust my psi or maybe my priming sessions are a lot longer than typical. (I paint gundams so I am painting about 50 pieces a sitting.) It could also be the fact that its grey, because i have seen some complaints based on color. Or maybe it is simply a shit bottle although the finish is decent when it works. I still use it and it hasn't been so terrible that I have replaced it yet.

@alexmateiu2904 4 года назад

I never used Badger because it isn't available in Romania, or if it is, I couldn't find it. But with Vallejo, never had an issue with. 30-40psi on the airbrush, and will run smooth and painted after few minutes.

@benjimlem1284 4 года назад

Try MIG One-shot primer, I've heard it's one and the same thing, just different brand (just make sure it's called one-shot, cause they have more than 1 primer).