I think the difference makes sense. Marines are literally running under the standard of every Marine a Rifleman. The Air Force, especially enlisted are generally not going through that same thing. As the AF is more tech based, and more maintenance and less combat jobs. The AF even really has most of the fighting done by it's Officer Branch, as Pilots are the main combat wing. While you have Pararescue and such, the mission for the AF isn't going to require the same amount of physical exertion. Just a difference of philosophy.
so you're telling me Combat Controllers, TACP, SOWT, PJ's, don't exist. one single operator in those career fields have more combat training and higher standards and have to be outside the wire a lot longer than anyone else.
Everyone in the marines or army is a rifleman first, that being said only about 5-10% will ever see combat. So don't make it sound like every single marine will be in a combat area in there career. Chances are they will never see combat. I was in the AF 20 years 1983-2003 and I was in Grenada, Kuwait and Iraq in the Gulf war and Afganistan.
the assumptions people make regarding participation in actual combat are shocking. it does clear up this whole notion of blaming PTSD on everything a veteran does tho. civilians think anyone that served went around AFG chopping heads off. A lot of engagements in AFG lasted about 15 mins and only involved a couple of poorly aimed mortars. Now Mosul, Ramadi and Fallujah, that was some serious shit
well, I'm not military but pretty sure the marine have to be physically super fit because there are marching, carry equipment & fighting altogether, their physical fitness can determine live or death. While airmen well there on the plane all the time & play switches, the only thing that is physical is fighting G-force if they have to, but these days dogfights really on long-range missile rather than close machine gun like WW2.
Army is only 2 miles and by the end of it I look like the devil himself, ponytail falling, legs wobbly, eye balls ready to pop out, arms shaking, face looking like a tomato, huffing and puffing with my lungs ready to give out. Props to the Marines.
When I was still in the Marine Corps I used to run my 3 mile in 17:30, 100 crunches in 45 secs and 20 pull ups. Those were the days man. 29 Palms will get you fit, there's nothing else to do. Semper Fi!
A lot of guys i know, including myself can finish the 100 in about a minute. In 2 minutes if there isn't a run following (normal pt) it isn't rare to see close to 200.
It's actually significantly harder to do 50 in two minutes. You're not allowed to rest while doing situps (except while in the up position, which isn't really "resting" at all), so basically the time limits don't matter much at all; it's doing 42 situps versus doing 50 situps.
88H AIT we had “motivation runs” 5-6 miles. It’s called motivation because if you fall out of formation you get a counseling statement and can’t go on weekend pass. 😭😭😭 we did that three times a week but only Friday was the “motivation run”.
this is the kind of support I like.. fellow military branches comparing and working together. unlike other videos I've seen on here where other active military soldiers laughing at the comparison. good job guys!!! salute to you.
Marines is a calling..... air force is a career.... I'm looking to join the air force, but I did go to pt with the Marines..... and tbh it just depends on the person.... I can run 3 miles just as a marine can easy, and I can do 24 push ups as well..... C'mon now dont think ones better than the other.
When I was in the Marines (late 60s early 70s) our pull ups didn't count if we didn't go ALL the way down with our arms fully extended or our chin didn't get above the bar. We didn't do crunches but full situps, with our elbows having to touch our knees. We did pushups too; our chest had to touch the top of the fist that was placed on the ground by our "counter". I think they eventually went to crunches because it was too hard on the back. I could do a sub 19 minute 3 mile run. In boot camp I did the rope climb in 7 seconds, and I wasn't even the fastest one in my platoon. One guy did it in 6 seconds.
What they have learned over the years is that certain exercises can cause undue strain or simply lose efficacy beyond a certain point. The crunch has all the benefits of the sit-up without the stress on the back. Dead lift pull-ups can cause damage to the shoulder socket & rotator cuff. So much has changed since my dad & uncle were in the Marines in the late 50's to my time in service in the late 80's to my good friend's time as a naval aviator over the last decade. We know better now how to train for effect and mitigate potential injury, which of course only holds up your conditioning time.
They changed the sit ups to crunches due to problems it caused with the neck, or that's what we were told. And I'm with you on the pull ups. Didn't see many that would count.. When I was taking my final pft in DI school, my squad instructor was my counter and the only thing that was said if a proper pull up wasn't performed was one, one, one, two, three, three, three, any day you wanna get it right..
Haha, still you did a nice job regardless of the lower standards. The PAST wasn't too bad since I played football and wrestled in high school. PJ indoc kicked my ass over and over though... but I'm here now at nellis with the 58th RQS
Congrats, bro. I tried out for PJ in basic. Probably wasn't in good enough shape as needed to be and didn't understand the concept of: Gut Check at the time.
Great video! I am a retired SMSgt, and back in 2005 I did my SNCO Academy requirement at the USMC SNCO school, Camp Lejeune. We had to do an inventory PFT at the beginning, and do a final PFT at the end. I had a total blast attending that school, and took some of what I learned about their PT program back with me to my squadron. My fellow Airmen loved it. Since then I've been a proponent of the Air Force adopting a more difficult PT program, one similar to the USMC.
Cameron Miles That's not incorrect, maybe only wrong opinion wise. DEVGRU (SEAL Team Six) is the best in my opinion, but 1st SFOD (Delta) is also tier 1, so they're pretty close. I'd still go with DEVGRU though because they're SEALs.
Mr. Gott, Looks like you've got quite a lot of stamina and are a well-trained Airman. Well done. I was fascinated to see your progress in our Air Force and your proficiency in battle readiness. Do you think procedures are good for battle readiness in the Air Force? Thank you for sharing your life with the world. I am honored to see how things were for you out there in beautiful, serene Okinawa. Well done. Montgomery
Lmao I told you the 5k would be brutal!!! I damn near passed out now mind you I'm in the south so the humidity can be bad, also I underestimated that 3.mile but you HAVE to RUN IT NON-STOP! People yelling at you to push yourself and stuff. by far the most I've ran non-stop in my life. I'm currently joining the USAF and I don't know how the marines do the PT they do smh, it's really unbelievable. Also when I was training with the marines the comradely is just unbeatable, guys I didn't know pushing each other and motivating each other to the MAX! If you want a nice civi job on the outside and a laid back corporate type life join the USAF. If you want to be pushed to your limits every damn day, giving much more responsibility at lower rank than any other branch and have the coolest uniforms and that brotherhood you wouldn't get in any other branch join the marines. At the end of the day committing to ANY branch is badass!!!
These are great videos! Thank you for your efforts in posting. I served 2 active duty tours in the Marine Corps and had some great friends in the USAF! We sometimes did each others workouts and PT tests for fun and it was just that: Fun! Good-Natured ribbing is always part of life in the service, but not like what you see going on in the comments section here. I suspect a lot of these people talking so much trash on these videos have probably never served. Every branch. has its own unique mission and trains differently for it. I appreciate the young men in this video for putting themselves out there this way. As a high school teacher, I have a lot of young people interested in the armed forces from time to time and I will definitely tell them to check these out. Thanks again to both of these young gentlemen! Semper Fi.
+Dorp that's what I'm doing! Im not of legal age to join the Air Force yet, but I plan on going to the academy and training a ton before I even get there. My dads in the army so he'll be helping me out a lot.
You did a good job, dude; better than I expected. I spent 5 years active ad a Marine. That PFT sucks every time, but it's still a good standard. Props for doing it right and well! (And I'd love to see a "Marine does AF PFT" version.)
I just finished a USMC EPME as an airman and we did their PFT... I think the strength portion is easier since we only have 1 minute to max out sit-ups vs 2 minutes to complete crunches, which is a lot smaller range of motion and they allow any type of rest position as opposed to the resting up position for the AF. The pull-ups are tough, and they gauge how much you can overcome your entire body weight, whereas the push-ups only require you to overcome approximately 70% of your body weight. I personally feel the pull-ups are easier because the MCO allows you to change grips as long as you don't touch the ground/sides of pull-up bar, whereas the AF push-ups are max out at 1 minute and the proctors are hard asses on the form and you have to basically do more than a push-up per minute to get full points. The run, is definitely harder on the Marine side, twice the distance and at a faster rate overall to get full points. I maxed out pull-ups, crunches, but ran a 20:39 so I lost 16 points.
I thought my Marine neighbor mentioned their PFT included an ammo can carry and body drag... or something like that. Time for me to send a text use the google machine. Regardless, both of you keep up the hard work, professionalism, and joint efforts.
We have the physical fitness test which was shown here, and then a combat fitness test. A failure in either will keep you from getting promoted, page 11s, non recs, yada yada.
I am a Marine and as much as I want to side with the Marine, most of the pull-ups he did would not have counted. you must come to a complete dead hang and can not kip or kick on your way up.
I'm in High School and run Cross Country as well and our Marine Poole PT is way harder than cross country. Don't get me wrong a PFT or IST isn't that hard at all but the other exercises and PT's we do for training are harder than both.
That's because it isn't a practice, the PFT is a test to make sure that you are physically fit. regular PT is a hell of a lot harder because you are trying to physically better yourself. :^)
I go to a Marine Corps high school and our YPFT is more demanding. 45 second 300 yard shuttle run, 60 push ups in 2 minutes, 30 pullups, 110 inch forward jump ,and 100 crunches in 2 minutes.
It's crazy seeing the differences in the PFTs. In the Army, you can't rest doing situps, and you have to sit all of the way up keeping your fingers interlocked behind your head, you have two minutes to do pushups with you breaking the plane or going all of the way down, and then the run is two miles.
Another awesome video, man! Keep your head up and keep charging on with the channel! It's awesome to watch your old videos and see where you were to where you are now! Only way to go is up!
you got to remember everyone has different body types nava compared to you is more center gravity. being short has its advantages ;) no offense kyle but..you need to work on your pt brother im in the airforce and i run 27 min 4 mile runs on a bad day. its not so much as airforce needs to step up their game its the individual choosing to be satisifed with the minimum or road to least resistance. but you know what yeah i think alot of ppl in the airforce wouldnt make the cut if that standard was set youll see a huge fallout rate. now my question is does that same standard apply to women in the marines?
Hell yeah they have the same PFT standards. The only difference is they replace the pull-ups for flex-arm hangs; for a 70 second hold (much harder in my opinion).
+Kyle Gott well there you go. your pushing pass the average standard. my point was the individual not settling with the minimum. airforce is not soley combative thats why they put the bar they push academics more but at the same time they dont like having to micro manage ppl when ppl should be improving on their pt but at the same time that should motivate ppl to be more self disciplne to show they are exceeding expectations. reason i said for YOU to step up cause a minute for 75 situps?? cmon bro you should have a minute for a 100. just my opinion.
+David Torres you'd have to be able to do like 3 sit-ups per second to reach 100 in a minute.. 60 seconds is one minute. 60 sit-ups would be one second per sit-up. That already isn't bad. If you look up the average sit-ups in 1 minute for ages 18-25 it's around 38... Excellent is considered anything over 50 in 1 minute for someone age 18-25.. I'm more impressed with the guy who did 111,000 sit-ups in 24 hours.
+Kyle D yeah it's called the PAST. It varies on what job you are looking at doing in AFSOC. All of them consist of your push ups, sit ups, pull ups and 1.5 and them some jobs like PJ and CCT will require swimming portions
1977 Basic Training PFT consisted of 5 events each worth 100 points. NOTE: We ran in Combat boots and fatigues, no gym outfits or gym shoes. Mile Run - max out at 6 minutes NOTE: We ran in Combat boots and fatigues, no gym outfits or gum shoes. Pushups - 1 minute, max out at 60 Situps - 1 minute, max out at 60 Crab crawl - 50 yards (it was in a sandpit which makes it that much harder), I don't remember the max out Monkey bars - Cross the monkey bars with both hands touching and holding every bar, rated on speed, don't remember the max out I was consistently around 450 out of 500 My guess is that the last two were removed once women started training side by side with men.
You are ineligible to promote in the AF if you have a PT failure during the cycle. You must be pretty new brah. (except for e1-e4, those are given, also in the marines E-4 is an NCO)
Nice vid. I Left the Core in 83 to go to college. Tested for ROTC (was just playing with the idea), I forget what the requirements were, but after I finished my run I went back to coach the army kid through it. The Rock has sure changed but love seeing your shots of Okinawa (I was at Camp Kinser). Thanks
My recruiter recommended watching your channel for advice regarding BMT and all that and I just moved from Okinawa Japan and I recognize that you're training at risner in this video, so crazy to me
starting January 1st they will be able to do pushups on the PFT, but the maximum score for pushups is 70, so to get a perfect PFT they will have to do 23 pull ups beginning January 1 (they announced a bunch of changes recently)
I'd like to see all of military branches take each others PFTs. I realize that they all have different jobs, but would be interesting. I never enlisted (wish I had) but, I'm from a an Army, Navy, Marine Corps family. You both did well.
+Kyle Gott yeah but u can do crunches so much faster than crunches and our 100% was 75-82 I can't remember the exact number but it was close to 80 if it wasn't 80. I always had to take a shit before I ran too only for the pt test tho. Fun stuff
When I was in the Corps, we did 80 sit-ups in 2 minutes. That got replaced with 100 crunches in 2 minutes. Less neck and back strain but more reps. Works for me.
aren't jarheads tired of saying the same shit over and over about the Army? yes, there are some mouthbreathers, as there are in every other branch. Find me a fat grunt, nothing else matters.
Just like all SJWs resort to screaming "RACIST!"....or "BIGOT!!!", Marine grunts are usually all too stupid to come up with anything except "POG!" What I like to say, is that instead of blowing shit up in the Marine Corps, I picked a job that built a resume. I got out and make a very good living, while all the grunts I know are security guards making 10 bucks an hour, or unemployed being disgruntled and unable to transition back to civilian life. tl;dr - Marine grunts are usually immature and stupid. First term grunts are the worst.
I served in the Marines and yea Marines Physical Fitness Test is harder then the other branches but at the same time their are tons of Marines I knew who couldn't pass the PFT or were physically fit.
It shocked me when I was in Army AIT at Ft. Sam Houston, Texas to see Air Force basic training folks walking the River Walk. We didn't get to go anywhere in basic.
I was a smoker when I went in to Marine Corp boot. Perfect 300 PFT. Yeah, I was proud of beast mode 3 miles in 18 min. We hardly ran in boot at all. All of those trips to the pit payed off!! Back in the late 80s we had to do 80 full sit ups in 2 min.
Two things that would've helped Kyle1) Marine looked like he sorta cheated the last few pullups. Maybe he didn't, but Kyle could've lowered his chin a bit2) On the crunches look at your arm placesments. Kyle's is up very far up to your collar bone whereas the Marines is lower, so he has less distance to go for a complete crunch.
The Royal Marines is 1.5miles 12:30 squad run to learn the path, turn around then best effort back (under 10:00minimum) first. Then it's the beep test for level 13. Then it's the 60 pressups elbows tucked in to beeps up and down. Then it's the sit ups (ain't none of that crunch stuff) which is 85 to beeps up and down and elbows must touch top of knees and mat. Then finally finish the morning with pull ups to beeps on a beam, chin over beam and no swinging or kicking(same minimum of just 3 and max of 16). Then a bit of lunch and off to the obstacle courses......
