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All Hail The Mary Sue! | Writers React to TCW S7E8 

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It's always great having a manipulative narcissist as a children's role model...
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@auditect950
@auditect950 4 месяца назад
*Rafa:* "You may not think of yourself as a Jedi, but you act like one. Or at least how I want them to be." *Ahsoka:* "Thank you, but to be fair, Jedi are all about sacrificing themselves to help other people. I'm sure any other Jedi would have done the same." *Rafa:* "What about that green woman with the beautiful flowing robes and skin as green as envy, who dared to not apologize to me after being a victim in that same crash that killed our parents?" *Ahsoka:* "You mean Master Luminara? I mean...I guess she would have. In fact, I met her on Geonosis, on the exact same mission where I learned the importance of putting down your life for a greater good. I suppose in a way you have to thank her for me being ready to give myself up for you." *Rafa:* "You know her name??? Can you give me her number?!" *Ahsoka:* ... *Rafa:* "Uh, I meant to say...come on, some Jedi *have* to be as awful as I had made them out to be for the past couple of years! What about that cerean with the white beard? Wasn't he a total sociopath?" *Ahsoka:* "Master Mundi?! I mean, I didn't agree with him much, but I certainly wouldn't go as far as to call him a sociopath. What did he ever do to you?" *Rafa:* "Oh, I never met him. But I did watch a video on the holonet that said he was a sociopath." *Ahsoka:* "That sounds like you watched seperatist propaganda if you ask me." *Rafa:* "Maybe so...oh, but how about this? A few months ago, Trace and I read a news report about a Jedi who was framed for some crime she did not commit - and she tried to convince the authorities she's innocent by beating up law enforcement, running away from the trial and joined forces with a known war criminal and murderer. You can't defend someone THAT stupid and morally bankrupt, can you?" *Ahsoka:* "...well, look at the time, I really have to leave now. This lady who sexually harasses 14 year old girls and tried to burn down a villiage asked me for a favour and I have to prove my impeccable moral superiority over the Jedi by helping her out."
@ECSOrder66
@ECSOrder66 4 месяца назад
I can't hold my laughter 😭
@imyouralibi6208
@imyouralibi6208 4 месяца назад
This is priceless!! 🤣
@DeerBoy736
@DeerBoy736 4 месяца назад
I think I'm gonna copy this.
@bluedolphin291
@bluedolphin291 4 месяца назад
😂😂
@Solomon_C
@Solomon_C 3 месяца назад
lmao
@bravestraven4650
@bravestraven4650 3 месяца назад
Well congratulations for getting 1k views. Although it is unfortunate that it drew the attention of people who think they know better than the two of you. I even took the time to read through the comments and replies, and people trying to go against what you say really don’t have a good argument. All I’ve seen is their false image of what they think TCW and Ahsoka are like, depending on what other RU-vidrs said as if it were the definite truth, making false assumptions of the two of you, resorting to petty insults, etc. Maybe except for that one comment where the person was actually trying to be open minded. Already far better than most of the other comments against the video. On the one hand, most of those comments don’t even know this channel. And wouldn’t know all the history of breaking down TCW. But really good points were already brought up in this one video. And they ignore it in favor of what they want to think. I hope one day more people can start to reconsider their opinions on TCW and not hang on to things like nostalgia or the idea of what they think it is to see that shows like this really aren’t that good.
@imyouralibi6208
@imyouralibi6208 3 месяца назад
I hope so too 🙂🤞
@diddly-squat9332
@diddly-squat9332 4 месяца назад
So you're finally entering the "Worse of the Worse" arc 🤣
@auditect950
@auditect950 4 месяца назад
I think the moral does make sense - even if you do change who you are, you can't run from what you've done. Think of a villian who has redeemed himself, but has to confront the people they hurt when they were evil. Wether this applies to TCW is another question, since redeemed villians such as Ventress or Bo-Katan rarely do make amends with the people they hurt.
@imyouralibi6208
@imyouralibi6208 4 месяца назад
Good point 👍
@willpower8289
@willpower8289 4 месяца назад
If you ask me that’s realistic. You can’t always make amends with people. In the MCU Bucky was a villain turned hero who never got a chance to make amends with Tony Stark before Tony sacrificed himself. Now he has to live with that.
@Mouse_Metal
@Mouse_Metal 3 месяца назад
It´s not redemption arc, it´s failing upwards arc.
@megaman37456
@megaman37456 4 месяца назад
When you put it like that, Ahsoka really is just another Rey isn't she?
@Lynette_for_reason
@Lynette_for_reason 4 месяца назад
Chronologically, it’s more likely that Rey is just another Ahsoka
@imyouralibi6208
@imyouralibi6208 4 месяца назад
Yup. She's the original Rey.
@willpower8289
@willpower8289 3 месяца назад
Personally I disagree. Unlike Rey, Ahsoka had a whole series showing how she trained in the ways of the jedi and was shown to fail many times and learned from those mistakes leading to some of the best character development in Star Wars. That's just my point of view. Feel free to believe what you choose.
@kurtpunchesthings2411
@kurtpunchesthings2411 3 месяца назад
@@willpower8289 yea i find it amazing all the Hate i see for Ahsoka here she actually had tons of training got her ass kicked many times eventually she got stronger and stronger i mean ffs she was literally trained by the Chosen one and that's not just the skills with the blade it is also the mindset what made Anikan so strong went far deeper then just lightsaber skills it was how he could think outside the box and the bravery and loyalty he had for his friends for example Ahsoka survives order 66 solely because of her training when we see the montage of her training with the 501st using the stun blasters time and time again they keep zapping her then finally right at the end she beats the training exercise because she learns to trust the force and anticipate where the attacks would come from no one is perfect but Ahsoka literally had the training and guidance not just from Anikan but also Obi Wan Plo Koon hell even Luminara and Yoda a little bit every episode she was in she learns more and gets stronger onto the Ahsoka series the final training with Anikan i feel the whole point of that exercise was Anikan explaining to her that she was afraid and was not willing to fight with everything she had and if you aren't willing to fight you will die and then the end of the exercise is Ahsoka conquering her fear and becoming willing to fight
@oplars6487
@oplars6487 2 месяца назад
​@@kurtpunchesthings2411 ppl who use her stun blaster training as an excuse for her escaping clones twice in scenes written waaaay before that training will always be funny to me
@Mouse_Metal
@Mouse_Metal 3 месяца назад
Imagine Palpy pulling a Boo-Karen card and saying: "Don ´t worry, the Empire doesn´t exist anymore. Help me." and everyone being magically OK with that. :D Why did he bother with trying to turn Luke to the dark side? He could just pretend to be good now because the script says so.
@CommanderRex-
@CommanderRex- 4 месяца назад
All actions should have meaningful consequences
@imyouralibi6208
@imyouralibi6208 4 месяца назад
PERIOD 👏
@ECSOrder66
@ECSOrder66 4 месяца назад
The keyword there is "should" Which Filoni doesn't understand actually means "LOGICALLY WOULD"
@bravestraven4650
@bravestraven4650 4 месяца назад
This moment at 19:50 is one of the few moments i did like in this episode. I should use this quote way more often. And I really got a good laugh out of that one.
@shadowcrystal4043
@shadowcrystal4043 4 месяца назад
i just want to say that i love your work and its always so lovely to listen to your insight.
@imyouralibi6208
@imyouralibi6208 4 месяца назад
Thank you!! 🥰
@CommanderRex-
@CommanderRex- 4 месяца назад
The martez sisters are likely dead after this arc
@imyouralibi6208
@imyouralibi6208 4 месяца назад
Absolutely. Instead, we're supposed to believe they were inspired and joined the rebellion and had the bestest life ever after that 🙄
@bionic-tale4313
@bionic-tale4313 4 месяца назад
​@@imyouralibi6208They did appear in the bad batch.
@SuidicalRaccoon
@SuidicalRaccoon 4 месяца назад
@@imyouralibi6208 they are literally in the bad batch,...
@SuidicalRaccoon
@SuidicalRaccoon 4 месяца назад
Literally seen in the bad batch
@imyouralibi6208
@imyouralibi6208 4 месяца назад
@bionic-tale @SuidicalRaccoon Yes, I know, I was clearly referring to The Bad Batch when I said they joined the rebellion.
@luckykennedy7364
@luckykennedy7364 4 месяца назад
Almost done this dumpster fire of a show. Nothing but pain... literal pain.
@imyouralibi6208
@imyouralibi6208 4 месяца назад
Yup 😩
@SuidicalRaccoon
@SuidicalRaccoon 4 месяца назад
Then why are you watching it?
@imyouralibi6208
@imyouralibi6208 4 месяца назад
@@SuidicalRaccoon 1) When we started this reaction series, we both thought TCW was good/decent. Even though we've come to see the opposite now, we still wanted to finish the reaction series. 2) We're using our study of this show as a writing exercise, both for ourselves and our viewers. 3) We want to debunk the widespread misconceptions about this show being good.
@willpower8289
@willpower8289 4 месяца назад
I don’t know what show you’re watching but it sure as heck isn’t Clone Wars.
@mariusmaximus2072
@mariusmaximus2072 4 месяца назад
Hey ^^ A great review yet again and god that show's really on a downward slope in turns of logical thinking Keep up the good work :3
@imyouralibi6208
@imyouralibi6208 4 месяца назад
Will do! 🥰👍
@IAmVivid919
@IAmVivid919 3 месяца назад
“She considers it good to blow up a factory where there’s innocent people” Ok first of all, that’s a pyke factory, meaning those people are probably slaves for the Pykes if there are even innocent people in there, 2nd of all, I think she knows what she’s doing Also, haven’t you seen that scene where Vader literally chokes an emperial officer to death from across the Galaxy, ofc Maul can sense Ahsoka in that room because the force flows throughout the galaxy, just like in every other scenario in Star Wars where Jedi can sense something when there not near that thing, and hear this, you can do more things from across the galaxy with the force the stronger you are in the force, some examples: Luke Skywalker in the last Jedi projected himself with a force ghost duplicate from across the Jedi to decept Kylo Ren DE Palpatine is able to create wormholes through time and space and send in massive force storms through them causing a ton of destruction Maybe research a bit on the force before judging it?
@imyouralibi6208
@imyouralibi6208 3 месяца назад
Soooo slaves aren't innocent? Yikes, dude. Though you do bring up fair points regarding the 'force sense via hologram' issue.
@Wade_Tyler
@Wade_Tyler 4 месяца назад
My favourite Canadian 🇨🇦 sisters! 😊
@pop-culturecinephile8144
@pop-culturecinephile8144 4 месяца назад
Ahsoka doesn’t always win or have everything go her way. She could’ve been killed by Ventress in their first dual unless Anakin showed up to save her, which he did. When Grievous had Ahsoka at his mercy in their first fight, that symbolized, she would never win and then she would need to escape. I can go on forever on why Ahsoka is not a Mary Sue, but Rey is
@imyouralibi6208
@imyouralibi6208 4 месяца назад
I recommend you watch our two-part series on defining Mary Sues and why Ahsoka is one.
@SuidicalRaccoon
@SuidicalRaccoon 4 месяца назад
Finally someone that understand what it actually means and not just their own made-up reason because they dislike a character.
@pop-culturecinephile8144
@pop-culturecinephile8144 4 месяца назад
@@imyouralibi6208, her character flaws are all shown in this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gkCRU_ZKOng.htmlsi=yelPW4jeEA4O7a3X. And if I can relate to her, how can she be a Mary Sue? I can’t relate to Rey at all.
@ECSOrder66
@ECSOrder66 4 месяца назад
I hope I ain't rude, but what you are describing is not a full definition of a Mary Sue. Dictionaries had lessened the meaning from its original intent that people now believe that was always the definition, and it was not. A Mary Sue was first introduced in fanfiction, a character, usually female, who's usually a protagonist, who unrealistically is lacking any meaningful flaws to grow out of, gains powers or abilities (usually inconsistent to a proper growth arc, like for example losing to enemies that are worse than you, and beating enemies that are stronger than you), liked or respected by other characters when they don't deserve it, such in this episode, where Ahsoka screwed them over, and they act like she's the hero by the end. Extremely beautiful. And a character who serves as wish fulfillment as an author's self-insert. Ahsoka fits the criteria. She IS a Mary Sue. Too many people confuse a Mary Sue with " imperfect character who can't lose fights", and pretend they are the same thing. They are not.
@ECSOrder66
@ECSOrder66 4 месяца назад
@SuidicalRaccoon Made-up? The definition of a Mary Sue was in place LONG before the wishy-washy dictionary definition. I sent the original meaning of the Mary Sue above, to help you get a better view on what the sisters are doing.
@bravestraven4650
@bravestraven4650 4 месяца назад
Oy vey, way more problems in this last episode of the Martez arc than I thought there were. At least the commentary the two of you make helps the show be leagues better that it could only dream of being. I definitely can’t wait to get to the last and worst arc of season 7.
@SuidicalRaccoon
@SuidicalRaccoon 4 месяца назад
what?! thats a grossly wrong view on her character arc, aswell as calling her narcissist and manipulative,... would you call a traumatised teen a narcissist, manipulative. shes 16. she was like 3 when she got indoctrinated into a cult and later on used as a child soldier. calling a traumatised, refugee, running for her life child manipulative and a narssist is just a wrong take, and is a horrible thing to say
@Lynette_for_reason
@Lynette_for_reason 4 месяца назад
It's not like she's mentally traumatized. Not only because she didn't show it, but also because she obviously loved to fight on the clone wars and got into fights even when it was against orders from above. And if anything, sorry for the bad English
@ECSOrder66
@ECSOrder66 4 месяца назад
First of all, calling the Jedi Order a cult shows me just how much you misunderstand the Jedi. Second, piting sisters against each other to gain superiority over them (literally what happened in this episode) is manipulation. Third, she's nearly 18, not 16. This is late 19 BBY. Do your research. Fourth, she is not a traumatized child soldier who was forced into the war. She is a teenager who willingly joined the battlefield, and even enjoys the conflict, going as far as insulting, or antagonizing her enemies. Even as an adult. Yep, she was this same cocky brat in Rebels, and even her own series. Fifth, she is not running for her life, lmfao. This is way after she was accused of murder and terrorism, and the situation was resolved before she walked away from the Order. And if you mean the Pykes, she doesn't seem all that terrified to me. You didn't pay attention. This is not the wrong take on her character.
@bluecyclone7077
@bluecyclone7077 4 месяца назад
Braindead take from these “RU-vidrs” I don’t even know why this popped up on my recommended
@SuidicalRaccoon
@SuidicalRaccoon 4 месяца назад
@@Lynette_for_reason so youre point is "she isnt traumatised she didnt look traumatised and thus she loved fighting" what?! No she was 100% traumatised she left her life behind because they betrayed her trust, she had to abandon her family, she saw friends die, she was 14 when the war started, no single 14 yo likes to go to war.
@SuidicalRaccoon
@SuidicalRaccoon 4 месяца назад
@@ECSOrder66 i did my research, clearly you did not. She did not willingly join the battle field as you claim, i do understand how the jedi work, it is a cult, they indoctrinate children against their will into a life of "protecting" the galaxy. Theu have become dogmatic and are merely puppets in a war doomed to kill them yet they just follow orders just like the clones do. She does not enjoy the conflict and i have no idea where you get that statement. She is she is 13-14 when the war begins . You headcannon that Ahsoka is a child that enjoys violence and war is not cannon to any form of star wars media. Maybe you should tone down a bit and actually do research yourself, where is it ever shown she enjoys conflict of any kind, she is doing what is told and is a child soldier, trained from a very young age to be just that, a soldier. She is definitelly traumatised, if youdve done your research like i have youd have known because that is canonically stated in her novel and in the clone wars tv show instead of her being a maniacal violence loving child wich is never ever stated nor shown directly or indirectly at any point or medium. Also she IS running for her life as the empire is searching her, have you not seen season 7??? She is being hunted down by inquisitors and sympathisants alike. I did pay attention, more then you it seems, the pykes? Whatre you on about she is fleeing for her life from the empire. Do you research instead of believing your fantasy headcannon that a child likes war. Jeez youre messed up
@Bean-ed7sf
@Bean-ed7sf 4 месяца назад
blocking people makes you toxic
@ECSOrder66
@ECSOrder66 3 месяца назад
Nah, they're just fed up with your BS. If anything, trying to make several alt accs just to spite these sisters all because you're pissy that they hate your favorite show is toxic. Drop this.
@JDog2656
@JDog2656 3 месяца назад
Don't know if you'll cover Tales from the Empire, so I won't spoil. But lets just say they seem to almost be backtracking with Barris.
@imyouralibi6208
@imyouralibi6208 3 месяца назад
So I've heard. I don't have any plans to watch the series tho.
@JDog2656
@JDog2656 3 месяца назад
@@imyouralibi6208 you do you. Just thought I’d mention in case you had plans. Wouldn’t mind getting your two cents on the matter
@kurtpunchesthings2411
@kurtpunchesthings2411 3 месяца назад
tales from the Empire was so damn mid here's the biggest problem they made us wait over 10 years to find out what happened to Barris and without actually telling what happened lets just say we still don't know the final fate of Barris definitively at the end of tales of empire
@imyouralibi6208
@imyouralibi6208 3 месяца назад
@@kurtpunchesthings2411 Well, we all know people don't die from lightsaber wounds anymore, lmao I'm sure Barriss will be back in S2
@willpower8289
@willpower8289 4 месяца назад
I had no idea two 20-somethings sitting on a couch even my grandma would call ugly, living in their parents basement was considered being a writer! The only Mary Sue in Star Wars is Rey. End of discussion.
@imyouralibi6208
@imyouralibi6208 4 месяца назад
Bro, your insults need work, that's not even a couch 💀😂
@willpower8289
@willpower8289 4 месяца назад
@@imyouralibi6208 I appreciate the constructive criticism. Thanks. Perhaps you should look into getting furniture that doesn’t look like you bought it at a flee market or an old lady’s garage sale.
@ECSOrder66
@ECSOrder66 4 месяца назад
Ad hominem Delfection Can't take you seriously til you come up with rebuttals to the video you clearly didn't watch or understand.
@willpower8289
@willpower8289 4 месяца назад
@@ECSOrder66 You’ve seen one video of random people complaining about something everyone loves because you’re desperate for cash and relevance and potentially a way to monetize their bigotry you’ve seen them all.
@ECSOrder66
@ECSOrder66 4 месяца назад
@willpower8289 Incorrect, I'm friends with them, they are not just random strangers to me, and they are not bigots. Get better arguments. Apologies, didn't realize it was a general statement. Your comment had such an inconsistent use of "their" and "your", so I thought it was directed to me. That aside, what group were they discriminating against? That's what bigotry is, if you didn't know. Irrational hatred and discrimination of certain groups.
@user-fl5mr5mz7l
@user-fl5mr5mz7l 3 месяца назад
Stop calling Ahoska stupid sure she might’ve made some questionable decisions, but nobody’s perfect, have you ever heard of the saying the right thing for the wrong reason?
@ECSOrder66
@ECSOrder66 3 месяца назад
Stupid literally means lacking knowledge. She made questionable decisions as she lacks knowledge, and is thus stupid.
@imyouralibi6208
@imyouralibi6208 3 месяца назад
But Ahsoka does the wrong thing for the wrong reason. For example: She lets the Martez girls get captured and tortured because she doesn't want to go through the social awkwardness of being outed as a Jedi. ~ M.E.
@Bean-ed7sf
@Bean-ed7sf 4 месяца назад
i think its stupid that you two complain about boba fett killing bane just because boba is younger than bane.i know he didn´t kill him but i think he should have die there and i think he was supposed to die there but filoni choose to retconned that and im happy assaj didn´t die but bane should have die in his duel with boba fett and i know he die in his duel with boba in the book of boba fett but he should have die in his duel against young boba
@Bean-ed7sf
@Bean-ed7sf 4 месяца назад
if george had a say he would not let filoni having bane survive his duel with young boba
@Bean-ed7sf
@Bean-ed7sf 4 месяца назад
shame on filoni disney and kk for not letting george being involved in this season since the show is george babe
@Masil0524
@Masil0524 4 месяца назад
You know nothing I see
@ECSOrder66
@ECSOrder66 4 месяца назад
Waiting for an argument of substance for someone to be able to take you seriously.
@SuidicalRaccoon
@SuidicalRaccoon 4 месяца назад
@@ECSOrder66 well, even with proper evidence you still cant see so it doesnt matter.
@ECSOrder66
@ECSOrder66 4 месяца назад
@SuidicalRaccoon What proper evidence? The lack of research you did on your other comment? All 5 points you made which I debunked?
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