ALL TIME LOW Face Allegations Meltdown... Jack Barakat, Bras, TikTok 

Please keep it civil in the comments...nothing is concrete evidence I'm not saying Jack/ATL are fully innocent nor fully guilty UPDATE: All Time Low's opening acts have dropped off of their 2021 fall tour (10/27/21)

I went to an ATL show in 2012 and the next morning all the bras girls threw on stage had been chucked away in the bins (trash cans outside) I even took a photo. I also met Jack 3 times and he was so kind to me and my sister and didn’t do anything inappropriate. She was cold and he told her to get somewhere warm and offered her his jacket and didn’t touch her or do it say anything creepy. I may be biased but my experiences and what I saw of them was completely innocent and all the inappropriate things they said seemed to be only on stage and part of what I thought was an act. Just my take.

It sucks cause so many band members in the pop punk and whole warped tour scene have ended up being disgusting people so it's so easy to believe these allegations. I hope they're false but at this point I have trust issues

i mean, jack's tendency to sexually harass their (mostly teenage) fans has never been a secret. i think their statement failed to mention that one thing that everyone who has been to their concerts or watched straight to dvd knows.

For what it’s worth, the more damning story that was released has a few suspicious holes, based on my touring experience. The detail about a friend being thrown out for trying to sneak backstage while the writer was just given an open invitation to break the rule from security doesn’t add up. Security is in place not to protect the band, but to ensure nobody gets into a position of liability in areas of a venue that aren’t properly policed. The narrator suggests that the band possibly instructed security to keep an eye out for seemingly underage girls, but security personnel are employed by the venue and, in most places, often even give band members grief if not possessing the approved laminates for the show. This would cause the security guard to put his job at risk with no incentive to do so as the band doesn’t pay him. As for meet and greet passes, no band member is going to have the access to fan club admin emails to send out “fishing” meet and greets. In addition, I doubt that would entice someone to come to a show more than a simple message would, but that’s purely conjecture. I don’t discount the persons voice and the struggle that she says she went through, but those points seem blatantly incorrect and cast a more speculative shadow on the other aspects of the post.

I saw them live this past summer, and Jack did make a few of his typical crude jokes. I will say that the band has thankfully matured a lot over the years. They have always been a favorite of mine, which of course doesn't excuse abuse, it just makes stories like this a lot sadder. I don't quite know what to form an opinion on yet, but I will say that I am really sad to see what happens next.

I'm just so fucking tired of seeing pop/punk/rock band members having predatory stories. Feels so toxic

Before I give my opinion, lets clarify this point once again: Random ass alegations on twitter should never be taken at face value. This whole "Always trust the accuser" narrative people have is bullshit and leads nowhere. Allegations should always be looked into but never blindly taken as fact...that being said, if this is true, the ENTIRE band needs to call it quits. Hell no. This is SO fucking shitty.

They've been best friends for 20+ years, there's no way that the rest of the band didn't either know about it or participate as well. If the allegations are true the whole band is at fault, you can't hide stuff like that in close quarters for so long.

Innocent till proven guilty. But genuinely, I'm tired of people putting up allegations about bands but completely disregard artists such as Cardi B, Chris Brown, etc.

Having seen people on Twitter tear each other apart over the past 3 weeks and my own observations, I'm sticking to "I don't believe the allegations but I am open to changing my mind if proven otherwise." I just wish people could be civil about it instead of attacking each other and sending death threats and being so aggressive.

Unfortunately there is a long history of this kind of thing happening with male rock bands, and it used to be pretty much accepted. It never should have been condoned. I have no idea if these allegations are true, but the only real way to stop it is for fans to stop treating it as normal. Teenagers like these girls often have really poor judgment-which is why the law protects them. Bands have to learn to keep them at more than arms length. The problem with passing this off as something that happened in the past is that it still us happening, if not with this band then with others.

almost all the atl allegations i’ve seen have been about jack making crude/inappropriate jokes in front of/towards teens, and like yeah looking back now it is inappropriate and it shouldn’t have happened but we can’t forget how normalised it was back in the day, so it’s hard to hold 15 yet ago versions of people to todays standards. the twitter statement accusing jack of abuse over a number of years i have not read yet myself and do not know enough to have an opinion on, hopefully whatever the truth is regarding any of the allegations comes out

I hope this is fake, like those Brendon Urie allegations.

As someone who has had false allegations, I was accused of being emotionally manipulative by a person who themselves were extremely emotionally manipulative among other things, I refuse to blindly believe people. Surely if this was happening for years there would be some form of evidence more than just hearsay. I am not an all time low fan, they had one banger, but again, I refuse to condemn over baseless accusations and to my knowledge there has been no proof of these allegations so I’m at a stalemate here

They did what Blink 182 did back in the day with dirty jokes. Now since it’s cancel culture society everyone is under attack. I haven’t seen any credible sources for accusations on anything bad, other than that story of a toxic relationship with Jack. They are innocent until proven guilty, and don’t deserve this.

Chris Conley (saves the day) said in a podcast touring was hard for him cause you are really never alone. I find it hard to believe if there was abuse that nobody knew about it. If your band member is abusing fans kick them out. There are plenty of other musicians who can take their spot.

I'll stay neutral for now but damn this making me sad, atl is one of my favorite bands.

If Mayday Parade gets an allegation like this, I'd jump off from the 5th floor of a local hospital here in our place

I love All Time low, and I have seen them live many times, so reading that story was absolutely devastating. What I can say, is that through the years of seeing them, it really has always been Jack that has come across as making crude and inappropriate comments toward the crowd which have struck me as a bit off. But people can change, and I know they have definitely changed for the better, such as not really doing the bras on stage thing anymore (though even as recently as this year, Jack has still made weird sexual comments to the crowd at shows). The bottom line is if the major allegation against Jack has any merit, the band has to cut ties with him if they want this band to be able to continue, as hard as it may be to cut out a really close friend. And that is assuming the rest of the band isn't complicit to his actions which in that case, not sure what they can do to clear their name, but I guess we won't probably won't ever know that part for sure.

I’m calling bs on this. All I see is an angry mob looking for blood and ATLs disbandment or Jack being thrown out angrily commenting “allegations allegations 97 cases” but no actual proof. Then you have many fans commenting how they’ve met the band multiple times, even underaged and how there was nothing but a positive environment and politeness but there goes the mob again replying “just because they were nice to you it doesn’t mean they were nice to everyone”. I mean, if multiple people are defending them with examples and testimonies from their experiences that should also count. But if you wanna side with people who delete their videos, their tweets, their accounts, meh. Bottom line is you can’t win with these people. They literally just want to see blood run. No action or response is ever good. They were better off without this statement.

Even if it were true which I’m still trying to figure out myself once more stuff come out, I don’t believe they would get rid of Jack. This band has not changed band members since day one and they are all best friends. It would be very hard for them to just sweep him under the rug like that.

Out all of the videos that's discussed this topic this one is probably my favorite you're not jumping into any conclusions you're just waiting to see what happens

It hurts so fucking bad. I guess we'll see how this goes down.

All pop-punk bands are going to get cancelled until the only thing we have left is MGK.

I want proof before I even think to believe what is being said

Shit... All Time Low is my favorite band and it really sucks to see this. I'm not saying this excuses their alleged behavior whatsoever, but I think it's important to keep in mind that they were still teenagers when they first started releasing music, and they gained substantial popularity very early on in their career. Back then they were quite immature and honestly probably didn't think before they acted a lot of the time. But they've changed and grown a lot over the course of their career, and I highly doubt they would do anything like that now (that is if they even did actually do those things in the first place). I will say though that their statement definitely doesn't sound like them. That shit was no doubt written by a team of lawyers. I would actually like to hear what they have to say about it

This is disturbing, they were a huge part of my teenage years

Random detail in the story from Twitter but I was thrown off by someone from the Jersey area spelling the world “favor” like “favour”

This is so hard. I've been a fan since the early days. I'm so stuck in the middle. There's so many allegations which wouldn't make sense that so many are lying, but then if there's so many allegations I would have thought there'd be something a bit more concrete to back at least one of them up. I appreciate people saying getting the lawyers involved is silencing the potential victims, but what else are they really supposed to do? People were unhappy they didn't say anything, they release a statement and say they will deal with things properly and everyone's still unhappy. It feels like the only way people are going to be satisfied is if they admit to something they feel they didn't do...

Well on the Brightside, that new White Stripes poster looks great!

The story you mentioned that contains a lot of details worries me. I find it difficult to believe that it would be made up, although it's possible (e.g. POS Amber Heard). Normally, I would agree with cutting out the offending member and moving on in the style of Walk The Moon, but this situation seems different because of the amount of time the allegations claim this abuse spanned over. In addition, the allegations claim another member in the band walked in on an incident, so it's implied that that band may know about Jack's behavior. While I hope the allegations are false, it looks bad for All Time Low. Then again, there aren't any screenshots are anything to support the allegations, so it's basically he said/she said. So overall just a complicated situation that I suspect we won't really hear about again unless new evidence surfaces.

All the he said, she said bullshit on social media is getting old. Have a court date and investigation, then I'll care.

It's really hard because they're public figures and people are treating the situation like they're not famous and people wouldn't have any reasons to make allegations. Several people very close to me have been victims of sexual violence so I tend to stand with victims but, this is one of the situations where if no evidence is provided it's really hard to believe. It's definitely something that should be investigated but it's kind of hard to imagine that with "97" allegations there is absolutely no evidence (as far as I've heard and seen there is no evidence but please correct me if I'm wrong). People are saying ATL needs to provide evidence to clear themselves but then don't demand any sort of evidence from the people making the accusations. I really don't want this all to be true and if they are my heart goes out to the victims but, we can't crucify people because of not proven allegations. It's not like false allegations never happen, I mean look at Archie William's case, he had an alibi that was confirmed by 3 people, he didn't match the description, and his prints didn't match the ones found at the scene but he was convicted and spent 36 years in prison. There's a pretty large nonprofit called the Innocence Project that's been around almost 100 years because accusations are not always true.

I'm sorry but why would you take a 10 year old to an ATL concert?

What’s most sad is that this has happened a lot from the early rock/pop punk scene and continues to do so because people love to look the other way when it comes to their favorite artist.

I remember being really uncomfortable seeing teenagers throw their bras up on stage and the band keeping them. Genuinely fucking creepy.

Ah shit here we go again

From past experiences, the best thing we as the public can do in these types of situations is wait for the facts and not jump to any conclusions. I think many of us are torn between the "telling the truth until proven lying" and "guilty until proven innocent" standpoints, and at this point making a definitive judgement without knowing all the facts is too risky. However, I'm definitely not judging the opening acts for dropping out because the situation's different for them, and sticking around could possibly put their own reputations (and even careers) in jeopardy. As for the rest of us: wait and see. Demand accountability and push for matters to be cleared up, but it's not on us to decide what is true and what isn't. (Although, personally, given the general track record of '00s pop punk bands…my hopes are not very high.)

Man I’ve loved All Time Low for so long, these allegations make me so sad, I hope they properly address the main allegation on Twitter.

Great video Jon! And yeah idk. I am on no ones side on this situation. I mean of course I want to believe the victim but I want to see what happens next and as crappy as it sounds people have lied before but the fact that their are apparently even more allegations are worrying. As crappy as it sounds I am not very shocked like Idk maybe it's because I don't stan any bands anymore. It's a very sad situation though. Jack and the rest of the band were very close so if Jack did do anything (which I believe there are allegations even dating way back) than the rest of the band would have had to know about it. I don't know what's going to happen next I mean yeah ATL could go to court and than act like nothing happened or they might kick out Jack but to know what they will decide to do gets very blurry since they were friends since they were kids. I am betting that they will probably keep Jack in the band and act like nothing happened tbh. God this situation just sucks.

as soon as I read the title, my mind went "oh no...."

It's bad that when I seen the post I automatically assumed it was about Jack, he might be innocent but he definitely acts way too immaturely and inappropriately at times.

In my opinion, the worst case scenario would be if this did happen, but there not being enough evidence to convict.

My childhood has been ruined after hearing about all these bands doing the same thing

This really just keeps happening to bands I like from band new to swmrs and now all time low. Can’t say I’m surprised considering the scene there from but it’s just sad. It’s gone to the point where I have a list of bands and artists in my head that I really like but are kind off sus so I can mentally prepare myself for the allegations that might or might not come. I do hope these current allegations are false but I also don’t want to invalidate the victim if they are real. I guess what we can hope for is that due to higher awareness to these kind of things hopefully newer bands don’t make the same mistakes.

ADTR fans: first time?

hearing all these allegations is always gut-wrenching, hitting even harder when it’s some of your favorite bands.. hoping they’re not true, but still.. seems like it’s new news coming to light every single week :/

I was kind of waiting to hear what you had to say when I first heard about the news.

I just saw them last Saturday, and now I’ve got no idea what to believe

Not me continuing to listen to Panic!, FOB, Brand New, ATL, Tiny Moving Parts, Neck Deep, TSSF…

2021 has sure been a year for allegations. It's really ludicrous of how disgusting this all is.

All Time Low shows were always the worst for me. The girls in the audience were literally willing to pull you down by your hair and stomp on you just to get in front of you. I was like 4th row one time and I literally had to fight my way to the back because my body was being contorted at an angle and I felt like I was being shoved to the ground. I literally felt so sick like I was going to pass out. What annoyed me more was ATL basically encouraged that behavior. I used to go to a lot of concerts and some were pretty packed and I got bruises from barricade one time, but nothing has compared to the horrible experiences I’ve had at ATL concerts. I have met them a few times and they seemed nice, but who knows what happens behind the scenes I guess.

Man, this really sucks. Melancholy Kaleidoscope was my favorite song of last year :(

We are going to see a ton more bands and musicians who were active before the me too movement having videos like this come out about them.

there's something they said in their statement that has become such a big pet peeve of mine over the years and is just a giant red flag to me. in the same statement, they said 'we support and respect victims' but then immediately follow that with 'we will be taking legal action against the accuser'. those two things cancel each other out, you can't support a group of people and then use one of the most common intimidation tactics against them and silence them. I'm not saying that, if these allegations are false, they should just take it lying down, however, they shouldn't publicly announce that they are taking action to the public. if they actually were respectful of victims they would want to be made aware of future stories, know the truth and be aware of what their camp is doing, god forbid it's something bad. but now, in the future, if something happens, instead of telling someone and outing the alleged abuser, the victim will feel pressure to stay silent and live with that trauma/pain because they announced they take legal action against these things. they shouldn't have included that part, in my opinion, do it privately if you want but announcing it is a direct threat towards other victims who thought about coming forward and the exact opposite of the supposed sentiment of 'supporting/respecting victims'.

I am so thankful for your content. It feels like a breathe of fresh air. Everyone is behaving like they just want the allegations to be true and throwing random numbers to back up their opinion. A lot of bands have cut off members immediately because the allegations were proven real. In this case, they are taking legal action saying that it is false, which to me feels like a different behavior than what it was done when the allegations were real. They’ve been my favorite band for years now, I really hope everything is false and nothing bad happens to them.

I saw the Twitter story the day after I went to their show in Louisville. Sadly, I think the reason that no one has said anything or kicked him out has partially to do with contracts and/or NDA's. The 2 bands that were opening for them dropped off the tour and continued the rest of the cities on their own separate tour, but never made statements why. And I can't see Alex knowing and not saying anything, especially seeing how vocal he is a lot of things as an ally, even calling out Demi Lovato on Instagram. I LOVE this band! They're one of my favorites! But I definitely think that if there is any truth to the allegations, which I believe they're true, then Jack is being protected somehow for some reason. But I hope that the truth will come out and justice will be served to the deserving party.

Honestly Allegations against a band named “All Time Low” is quite ironic. They will be at an All Time Low if they are true. Real curious to see what happens in future.

Not saying to not believe the victims but this has happened to 3 of my other favorite bands and every single time it was proven false and nothing adds up like I genuinely don’t know what to believe anymore because people love to fake sexual assault and shit like that and it’s not cool

I’m so glad my favorite band is my chemical romance, Gerard is just too nice to do anything

In my opinion, if someone has an allegation they need to sort out, go to the police. Don’t go make some petty tik tok fishing for comments and plays. Highly doubt the tik tok allegation is real imo

they’ve been my favorite band since i was 10, and have been keeping up on everything since the tik tok was posted a few weeks ago. not only did they spit in the face of DOZENS of victims that came forwards by saying “we believe victims, just none of you”, but the way they handled the situation before the statement was unacceptable. watching them either completely ignoring it or being petty via shady tweets or changing lyrics at shows (“you can keep that thought for yourself” to “you can keep that lie to yourself”) was sickening.

This really sucks cuz they're in my town tonight and I already have tickets, but I'd feel so weird about going. I have some friends saying "Just go! You'll have fun!", but on the other hand, morally I don't feel right about it.

Love the modern baseball shirt by the way!

I love ATL and stand by them. I don’t think they have done anything inappropriate. Me and many of my friends went to shows of them and they never did anything creepy or inappropriate. I could have just been lucky but honestly I’ve been part of the scene they were touring in since 2009 and never heard anything bad about them.

I'm surprised you haven't made a video talking about their lawsuit...

I love All Time Low so much and I’m glad they spoke out about the allegations and it’s very true that some people lie about a band and to be honest I’m glad Jack toned down with the bra and boobs thing and they are a great band but hopefully they speak more about it and back in the movies Jack has been a weird with the boobs Thea things and I don’t want my babies to be canceled like “fans” tried to do with Pierce The Veil

I know this is serious but man where are you from? The way you say “lawyer” is unique!

Not to take any attention away from the serious allegations Jon is talking about in the video but folks if you are on Twitter, Facebook or whatever, please help Mark of Spectrum Pulse have his main channel on RU-vid reinstated, he was hacked by NFT/Crypto scammers, got both his main channel and the channel for Billboard Breakdown reinstated today but now RU-vid have deleted his main channel because of what the scammers did to Mark's channel while they had it. I will delete my comment if not appropriate.

Why in the world would you flirt with underage girls when they can seemingly have their pick of adult aged women

I have seen plenty of cases both in and out of the music world where sexual assault/harassment cases turn out to be false then some that turn out to be true. When it comes to famous people and or people who will be making a lot of money, it seems that most of the allegations become false. One story I always go to in cases like this is the Shawn Oakman story. He was accused of sexual assault while at Baylor university and it cost him becoming one of the top NFL draft choices. He eventually got his case to court and within 15 minutes, the accuser basically came out and said she made the allegations against Oakman up. Obviously there is still a lot of missing pieces here with All Time Low but I as of now believe he’s innocent until proven guilty.

Damn, and here I am still hung up on the whole lingua ignota and daughters stuff, and now this?! Man October is a rough month right now in the field of entertainment.

I swear this seems to be a trend with girls and women to destroy a band's reputation by saying things that probably never happened to end up getting attention and money in the end. just because the band is popular doesn't mean you should attack them because you probably hate them Some ppl can't get passed highschool and act more mature. They should know better before the post , whatever they do is gonna end up haunting them in the long run. I'm guessing ppl like this want rock music to disappear forever

I remember reading the ATL statement story and the first thing I thought about were all the bras thrown on stage at the Dallas show I went to recently. Jack was collecting them and putting them on his microphone, and that was the first time I had ever seen something like that at a show, and I’ve seen a lot of pop punk bands. I hope all of this isn’t true because all time low is one of my biggest musical inspirations, but I don’t feel good about this situation at all.

I still think it is very weird that instead of going to the police (I'm German so I don't know how that works in the US) someone would post a video/statement online. In this case there are a lot of accusations and I (who has never personally met these guys or even seen them live) don't think that they are all totally made up just for clout.

All I can say is that I sincerely hope these are lies

the modern baseball shirt 🥺 rippppp i miss them so much

I don’t understand how nothing is said until now…. ATL falls off the radar for a few years and then they release new hit music and NOW there’s allegations against them? Why does this happen when a band starts to come up again? I’m not saying these are false allegations or that they are true, I’m commenting on the fact that no one has anything to say when no one gives a shit about a band but then when the band makes a comeback, then people point fingers, why not say something until now? What evidence do you have to prove your allegations? Your ducks aren’t in row to make these claims now, so why not say something 5-10 years ago? Timing is everything.

After the thing that happened to David D from SP im literally scared of black backgrounds with white letters

Unfortunately they were quite well known in the scene for this around the 2010s. Nobody who noted it back then is surprised now.

First it was A Day To Remember, now it's All Time Low, fuck who's next, Pete Wentz?

Pop Punk seems to be in hot waters lately.

I feel like anytime anyone who’s been accused of this kind of stuff releases “a statement” all Internet personalities always say is that the statement is “disingenuous, or sounds robotic or as if written by a lawyer” or will say whatever to diminish what the statement says bc public opinion has shifted from the person releasing it. I haven’t followed all time low since 2012 . Idk what they’re like as people. But their image & fanbase then does make these allegations appear very possible, then again, maybe bc they had that image it makes them easy targets for such false allegations bc everyone would believe it. Idk. I think about Vic minioga & how his career and name we’re dragged through the mud bc of false allegations. Not saying these allegations are that. Not siding with the band. It’s very possible jack did this I just dislike the knee jerk reaction “commentators” or Internet personalities have when they read or respond to “statements” of this nature bc they always say the same similar thing . It’s like no matter whoever has been accused of sa releases a statement, doesn’t matter what the statement says these commentators/or anybody on Twitter will say it’s fake or disingenuous bc of whose saying it. Idk.

Seems a little more up in the air so to speak than the ADTR situation. I'd tend to agree though if it is just "Jack is the problem" then cutting him off would be the best course of action.

Why would any responsible parent let a 10 year old go to a concert by themselves?

Never been a fan of all time low really, but ill say this much. I can relate very much to anyone whos wrestling with some really complex feelings over situations like this. Earlier this year when the stuff about Marilyn Manson came out I felt similarly. By complex I mean you want to believe, and you do, but there's just this grief because of what that means for the art and music that's meant so much for you. Its a horrible situation for the victims of abuse, especially because they're gonna get shit from a lot of people online, and it sucks for all the fans.

It's mostly on twitter and emo stan and weeb stan. Popstars and hiphop artists CAN'T be canceled.

Saw them in Raleigh like 2 weeks ago and they were putting bras on their mic stands still. My girlfriend and I left early because it felt super uncomfortable.

You are not a victim if you make false allegations!

Me about Cancel Culture: "They'll never let go Of something you said 10 years ago They're cancelling" Lyrics from the song Zombified by Falling in reverse

I'm not really sure tbh. Jack HAS made some questionable comments on stage and on their podcast full frontal. Even Alex would be like "wtf is up with you, you keep saying weird shit about kids" but at the same time I find it weird that none of their hardcore fans that follow them around the country (and sometime the world) never had an experience like this but a couple of people that no one in the fandom recognizes did.

This gives me nostalgia for warp tour

Here's my thing I believe innocent to prove it guilty because that's always been a thing for a longest time. Like I understand tictok is making people coming forward about the allegations but at the same time people do lie a lot. some even do it for clout or little bit of Fame . All I got to say is I'm not a big fan of all time low but hopefully there is some receipts to prove that if they're innocent or not . All I got to say is I can't stand cancel culture because it ruins everybody's life and makes it harder for people to move forward in life. 🤷🏿‍♂️

Why weren't these allegations brought up years ago???

Seeing them for the first time next Friday

I stay away from shit like this because of how easy it is to fuck it up. Let them hash it out in and court and go from there. Assume nothing and remain impartial.

I’m at the point where I just do not care about any of these scandals anymore. Anyone want to recommend me a genre of music to get into that isn’t popular with teenage girls in current year so I don’t have to worry about this shit constantly happening? Thanks

ATL are one of my favorite bands and if Jack did this he needs to be replaced but I'll need more to come out or something to happen to make a decision on what I believe...

I want to wait and see what happens with these accusations and get a more clearer picture before I jump on any ship