Edit 19/11: 100,000 views. Holy hell. Thank you guys so much for the support on this video and my other Angry Critiques. I never knew how much attention this series would get and the growth of this channel is insane. Thanks so much.
I have two things to say the first thing is they had so many plot points in amazing things that could have added on to the story like how Stars people are actually the humans I would say their name but I don't know how to spell it also house. Our kind of you know said f everyone else and just destroyed magic I mean the magical High commission probably wasn't the only people who survived off of magic she destroyed it millions of energy sources killed millions of people and without magic dimensional travel doesn't work so therefore she also destroyed millions of homes because now you'll never be able to see your family again the second thing I would like to say is the reason the show got cut so shortly is because the Creator I don't know their name but they knew that they weren't going to get another season Associated meeting us with a cliffhanger she just wrapped it all up into an ugly little bun and throw it in your face it's kind of like a Steven Universe season finale the only difference is Steven Universe isn't over and they have one more seasons so Rebecca is way worse
I just clicked for confirmation that I'm not crazy for thinking this show started out meh, actually got pretty good, and then threw all all of that into a trash can and lit it on fire. After Voltron and Game of Thrones crash landed their endings (and SU was kinda anticlimactic and meh) I can't tell if I have just developed unrealistic expectations over time or if these things are actually as disappointing as I think they are.
Actually, Disney DIDN'T cut them off short by giving them four seasons; they were LUCKY to have gotten a fourth season, and the most damning thing about this tidbit of information is that the production staff KNEW that season 4 was going to be their final season before they even began its production. And they did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about it--no planning, no mapping out the episodes. Zilch. Instead, they just wrote as they made the episodes. If it wasn't apparent already, they wrote themselves into several corners and expected/hoped that the audience would not notice these oversights.
You know what they did wrong? Focusing more on the idiotic queens of Mewni plot more than what made this show so awesome before - Star and her friends doing silly things on Earth and only occasionally visiting Mewni. They could even leave Eclipsa, she was one of the best characters of the series whenever Nefcy wasn't busy squeezing her into that stupid drama.
@@ResidentTarantino I'm trying to find time right now to watch it myself but I can already tell it'll be a lot more in depth than this video. This was me giving a, thought out mind you, rant on why the finale was insulting garbage, whereas his video seems to be a lot more of a properly structured video essay. Definitely will give it a watch.
THANK FUCKING YOU!!!! I've been saying that for ages, they were lucky enough not getting cancelled. What's worse is that the SVTFOE fandom outta nowheres blaming Amphibia for not getting 5th season
Toffee: Tries to erase all magic, including committing universal genocide for anyone who's lives depended on it, and had his goal be his number one priority. Gets brutally murdered by the main character. Star: Tries to erase all magic, including committing universal genocide for anyone who's lives depended on it, and had her goal be her number one priority. Everyone is cool with her and she gets a happy ending. what
How dare a male Salandit try to get rid of magic like that! That should go to a mentally unstable princess who falls in love with some guy who might be related to her for some reason.
@@OniRan_VT "Star's final stupid decision only cost them the magical creatures and magic." And anyone that probably died when Earth and Mewni got merged together (because merging two different dimensions together isn't as simple as the show makes it out to be), along with any future deaths that might occur since I doubt humanity will easily accept monsters in their lives.
CandyCrimes To be honest, I found a fanfiction called When Two Worlds Collide based on the post-finale that has been written so much better than this horseshit finale.
Their is already a fan-comic called "Tale of Two Butterfly's " Which you might want to look up, it is pretty much a distant sequel that seems to follow the show's ending but from what i can tell is slowly mending the many problems in the show's ending.
Starting the series: Me: Aww, Star is so cute, Marco is such a bean, can't wait to see how they'll defeat evil together! But Tom's annoying, I wish he'd just get the message already and leave Star alone. Leave the show while he's at it too. Ending the series: Me: Wow, Star is such a bitch, Marco is an action hero now, and they do nothing except make bad choices all day and NOBODY calls them out on it. But Tom is in it, so I'll pull through for him, my beautiful demon child. So glad he didn't leave the show.
I actually started liking tom pretty early on, he actively tried to better himself and got pretty good development which is more then star or marco can really say they did
@kristian rikardsen do you happen to be religious? cause otherwise let me tell you, hating a character for its appearance is a little bit...yeah superficial.
*insert Australian nature narrator voice* And here we see the angry internet Christian in their natural habitat, using their religion to justify why someone from the literal Underworld looking like a demon is a bad thing
I don’t think it’s fair to completely blame Disney for this. The writers wrote the show as they went along and, unsurprisingly, wrote themselves into a corner
I’ve realised this over time, had no idea that Nefcy basically had no clue what she was doing the entire time and assumed she wanted more than four seasons.
Not the first time. They wrote themselves into a corner with Toffee, making him too powerful and competent, so they brought Star back out of nowhere and gave her a bullsh*t Mary Sue super saiyan mode to one shot him.
stxrrysoul It probably was though tbh- After all, how does a being made of pure magic (and according to Rhombulouses, he's the most powerful being out there.) die? My personal head cannon is that not even Glossyrik could handle this shows bs and just decide to yoink himself-
"who's in charge of the continuity of this show?!" About that, for the whole show there was a role in the credits called "continuity coordinator", but the thing is, after episode 14 of season 4, *this role is completely gone from every episode's credits, implying the person in charge on continuity was fired*
The role was filled by a woman named Wendy (forgot her last name lol), Wendy got moved over to an animation role for a few episodes after ep14 but disappeared near the endgame episodes
Right. Also, wth was his whole plan in the first place? He was scary af but did nothing. Ugh. Then Star legit turned into a deus ex machina and just squashed him. 😶 WHAT?! 😠 I waited so long for this battle and he's just squashed like a bug?! *sigh* So many unfinished story plots. He deserved WAY WAY better. All the queens too. Even the ending wasn't an ending. "Hey." "Hi". What kind of ending was that? Ok, I'm done rambling and ranting. Lol, I'll go on forever if I don't. 😅
what got me stick to this show was because of the animation quality and of course, star fighting evil. as time goes by every episode, i wait that a amount budget will be given to a episode. but, no. the series was being story driven afterwards, like literally.
I was really expecting you to highlight how Star basically committed genocide and yet the only thing she was upset about was potentially being separated from Marco.
In recent days in child cartoons you can allways comit genocide and get away as long as you are 'good' or the main char' friend. COF Steven COF ShitverseCOF
Kodo Direct Can you name an example or two of the diamonds moving people from their planets other than the humans in the zoo. It’s been a while since I saw the show in it’s entirety.
@@TrxstMonty So killing a billion of gems enough to fill the fucking core of earth is not genocide? wow, thanks for revealing another layer of stupidity from this garbage human being.. and btw, blue diamond explicitly says that she thought the Diamond light would OBLITERATE all gems in earth. "NOT GENOCIDE"...
I was SO looking forward for Tom to say, "Listen, Star, this isn't working, I deserve better than what you're giving me right now. I've tried to be understanding and supportive, but I'm not feeling that in return, so I think it's best we go separate ways," but he NEVER DID, and gave out the bullshit excuse of "we're going in different directions" like, no, you're not, stop lying to us!
Umm Excuse me? Honestly, I wasn’t feeling it with Starco that much anymore into the further seasons. Star started out as weird and wacky but I still liked her but when things got serious, that side of her began to change into a more passive aggressive tone? Not sure how to describe it but basically the more complicated the drama got, the characters became less enjoyable and I didn’t care if Starco got together. It felt awkward and poorly constructed, like the ending itself. It made me like Jarco and Tomco more in comparison.
The worst part of it all for me? They never explained Marco’s crescent moon cheekmarks. They built it up as some big mystery throughout the show, _and they didn’t give us an answer._
@@ducksick9973 "in some way". Thing is, it would repair the Butterfly family bloodline. So it would be a good thing and not so weird as you may think. Atleast it isn't weird to me
I absolutely HATE that star thought destroying the magic was a good idea. There had to be some other way to defeat Mina, they didnt even try other options. Star doesnt even consider how many beings in the multiverse are made of magic, not just the commission, by destroying the magic, she would kill all of them. Not to mention that "combining mewni with earth" would have huge consequences for both worlds. Their geography would be all fucked up, and humans (most of whom have no idea other worlds and creatures even exist) would suddenly be confronted with all these strange and unwanted creatures invading their world. Can you imagine looking out your window and seeing a huge fucking spider just chillin in your backyard? But star and marco got to say "hi" to each other so i guess none of that matters
@@14s0cc3r14 you know yeah she is little bit selfish but she's good unlike moon very stupid and very selfish she teamed up with psycho and put everyone in danger just beceuse she want be queen again
@@14s0cc3r14 lmao she cared about her life and she wasnt weong tho, she was the head of the state but didnt have any power as The MHC ordered her to marry that jerk, she just jumped out and went live her life with Globgor. But with Star's help she was doing great until Moon ruined LITERALLY EVERYTHING
Guilherme Dias Was she really doing great though? Half her kingdom was homeless/jobless and ended up leaving. Those that didn’t hated her. She didn’t improve relations with monsters or other kingdoms, that was pretty much all Star. She kind of sucked as a Queen
*"Who is in charge of continuity on this show?"* No one. The person in charge of continuity was literally removed from her position and put elsewhere for this season.
Tom is the real deal. Mature, adorable, and an interesting character. Star became way too careless and insensitive. By the time of the finale. Marco only cared about Star, really, in the finale. And Tom gained MAJOR character development.
@@baul104 , What surprises me is that Star became insensitive of Tom's feelings. When they got back together, she respected him, his feelings, took his feelings into account, etc. But then she just downright doesn't care about Tom at all anymore. Or just very, very little cares about him. Just because of having stronger feelings for someone else? Star, you are plenty capable of caring about someone and not making them feel like their feelings are WORTH LESS. Tom deserves wayyyyyy better. And I will always, always, always feel bad for him. :(. He deserves so much better and I am glad that he broke up with Star.
@baul104luigi, Star used to be my MOST FAVORITE Disney princess. But these days I only like her in the earlier seasons. The finale was when she was at her most rotten, careless self. As well as TERRIBLY SELFISH.
I was honestly hoping that glssarick was the villain. Maybe he was an ancient being that wanted magic all to himself to rule over everyone so they locked him in the magic book. In the end glosserick frees himself and star and marco have to stop him and get magic back. It makes sense because glosserick has always been shady and selfish only wanting things for himself.
@Zachary Khan yeah but even the sacrifice felt weird. I never got the feeling that he liked star and marco. Even in the end where he pretended he couldnt talk and he didnt help star when she needed help.
@@bubblehoodie5191 Exactly! How it turned out that he could talk normally he just didnt feel like it. It made it seem like he was on eclipsas side all along but it didnt go anywhere.
My bet was on Eclipsa as she was a pro-monster Palpatine-esque manipulator who might be behind just everything evil over the course of four seasons, if we assume Toffee was her agent - well, coincidentally, Mrs. Heinous/Meteora does use the help of Rasticore of the same species, and Rasticore did work for Toffee previously. Think about it: 1. It was under Eclipsa' advices that Star had a fight with her mother and distanced from Marco (as she saw their bond as a threat). 2. Whe Moon got stuck in the wall, she was left unsupervised for hours and God knows if she rewrote the archives of Mewni during that time. 3. Her spells are independent and sentient, and as that episode about spells in Star's wand showed, the All-Seeing Eye was spying on Marco, Star and even their friends in Echo Creek for some time LONG BEFORE Star even used it for the first time!
Cosmic Sammy I liked Starco, or at least its concept, and the first two seasons handed it very well. But season 3 decided to make things muddy and ruin toms progression since 2, and only did divide/conquer actually redeem him.
Cosmic Sammy I hate this cliche thing about first love, that two teenagers fall for each other, and somehow end up married with two kids and a dog. Like how? Make it interesting. Make sure that their mutual attraction is indeed existing but for some reason, the don’t end up together. Not societal pressure, not abuse or anything else. They just don’t click. Or maybe a character never accepts their crush. Not inside conflict or anything. They may be scared of consequences or too lazy to actually work for a relationship. Or, more typical reason, they have a lowest self esteem possible. There’s so many reasons why pairs don’t end up together. And it can make characters themselves more appealing, but I guess main character nowadays must have a pair.
So according to the finale: monster powers aren't magic. Demon powers aren't magic. Portals aren't magic. MERGING TWO F'ING DIMENSIONS ISN'T MAGIC... I think I would have to kill if them if they tried to explain their 'knowledge' of science, in this case.
I like how that random dimensional rift just somehow opened and then merged the dimensions after interaction with it. If no magic is involved to keep that merge safe, that stuff is freakin' horrifying with what it might do. But nah, let's just gloss over that. Might just corrupt stuff.
SVTFOE: "Spells and magic constructs are all alive, have personalities and feelings, and independent hearts and minds." Star: "I....I have to destroy the magic!" All those spells and that broom thing and every magical construct we have ever seen that didn't need to be in this show but they were put in anyways: *DEATH*
"Spells and magic constructs are all alive, have personalities and feelings, and independent hearts and minds." And wives and children. Don't forget about their wives and children. Like Daron, I assume.
Zebra Roll I’m glad you brought them up. Spells that have served the Butterfly family for centuries were betrayed by someone they defend on a regular basis with their lives. Some even had families. So she should be painted as the bad guy, but nobody in the show logically gives counter arguments as to why that’s bad. They made Toffee good! Him murdering Comet? All apart of the plan. It was painfully and obviously rushed. That’s why on top of other things, the show has a bad ending. When Thanos does it, he’s vilified and killed. But Star gets a pass because..? They are the same in every way. Change my mind.
Juan Pablo Robayo Yet the unicorns still fly but Hekapoo who has a real almost normal body like the monsters die???? She could of just lost her flame and that was it as the flame was her magic. And somehow the unicorns fly like nothing happened.
Actually, I might be the only one here, but I wasn't too upset with Tom breaking up with Star. Over the last two seasons, she shows herself to be a horrible girlfriend, and starts becoming a horrible person too. Not only is she mean to Tom and berates him for random things, she kisses Marco and doesn't tell Tom anything. Even if it wasn't her fault or whatever, she should have told him, just to make things clear between them. (It's a part of having a good relationship. Communication!) Not only that, but when Tom gets upset and confesses to her that he knows and is hurt about it, SHE gets mad and stalks off. Like excuse me? No. Anyway, she's an awful girlfriend, Tom deserved better- he literally changed himself and built himself back up from square one just to be with her- and Star was an asshole, I'm not mad that he dumped her.
That seems to be a running trend in media now. Main protagonist is the best and never does wrong, but ends up being the absolute worst, hypocritical, ect. And a random side character [usually a guy I've noticed] ends up being the better one and ya suddenly wonder why that side character isn't the protagonist? They are growing and bettering themselves. They have a lot of potential.
@@meanncat3050 Yeah, I guess it's because as the main protagonist, they want them to be as likable as possible, so they just give them all of the "easy" development or give them no development at all, making them already perfect. Meanwhile, the side characters who are much more flawed get all of the development to be "worthy" of the MC. But that just makes them relatable and admirable. In Star's case, I think it might just be bad writing decisions, as her development was pretty good in the first two seasons, and all of the writing in general declined, but I have seen the same trend in at least one other show. I hope it's fixed.
The ending was just wonderful, well written, coherent, with funny and sad moments, and a meaningful deep message, and the best part? It was really satisfying, maybe one of the best endings in a cartoon in all the history of animation... Ok, now that i stopped talking about "Over the garden wall", let's talk about SVTFOE.
I've watched "Over the garden wall" and I just say it's a very well-written show. And it needed only 10 episodes,everyone of them lasts just 11 minutes!
"Sphere and Loathing in Outer Space" (MML Season 2 finale) >>>>>> "Cleaved" It doesn't help that not only they aired in the same weekend, but Sphere and Loathing also _received more views overall._
Also Magic High Commission as I grew to like them a lot, and millions and maybe billions of other sentient beings made or dependent on magic. All of it was done to save f***ng monsters. Oh yeah, remember kids, to prevent a genocide, commit an even larger one!
@@rohan2924 No it doesn't, but neither does the rest of this finale. The writers confirmed the puppies were okay but of course that doesn't add up with the rest of the magic beings from the wand being killed
Also the "everyone thinks Marco's sister is his daughter" is a gross joke considering that they're still teenagers. Basically, StarVs went downhill when Nefcy started trying to primarily appease the shippers and did the "will they won't they get together" until the very end.
In the AMA Daron announced that she knew the 4th season was the last one. She was not rushed to get things done, she actively knew how much time the show had left but she still filled it with pointless and time consuming moments. I don't understand how a show could go from being written really well to being written worse than someone's writing assignments from 5th grade. What. Happened.
@@Cartoonshi To add to that, in a podcast that aired a little while before the season 4 finale, daron stated that whilst working on season 3 she already knew that just getting *a 4th season* from disney would be really rare and added that final scene in Conquer to sequelbait disney into renewing the show for a 4th season.....so the show could've actually ended after season 3 if disney wasn't having any of it. Then she said that if disney didn't renew for a 4th season she said she'd ask for an extra 30 minutes after the season 3 finale to wrap stuff up....honestly don't wanna know what that would've contained. And then indeed on top of that, for the entirety of season 4 she knew that she would never _ever_ get a 5th season and produced this rushed filler-filled horseshit anyway. Here's the source from that podcast with timecode btw: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7UbQPpioOV0.html&t=5846 the relevant segment goes on for about 2 minutes
I think I know why all of these pointless and time-consuming moments got added. It's because Daron Nefcy wanted to have a few more Star vs. the Forces of Evil episodes on Earth, but just wasted time and didn't execute it properly because...it wouldn't be a good time to do it until she finished the Eclipsa/Mina story and...she wouldn't have a chance to do that if it didn't happen in their 4th and final season. November 3, 2019, 12:46pm
To be honest, Star and Marco's relationship was much more meaningful to me when they were just best friends. It felt more genuine and natural to me. You can just be friends with people you care about without any romantic feelings involved. Also, I feel that Tom really got the short end of the stick towards the end. I really liked him and loved seeing him improve as a person as the show went on. He became a genuinely good guy, but they kinda tossed him to the side and forgot about his development and that disappointed me. Not to mention how Star treated him through out their relationship. That was just hard to watch.
this!! star and marco had a much better relationship when they just stayed as friends. I was really hoping for a show where they don’t focus on the main characters getting together, because star and marco had such a good friendship in the beginning, but this is literally what ruined the show. Committed a genocide all for two characters to get together.
I think it should be standard practice that EVERY time a crew makes a new season, they should go back and watch EVERY episode (at least ONCE, maybe TWICE) they made up to that season so they keep their lore, characters and continuity straight.
Greatsaiyakirby Fucking thank you. I was pissed off when they forgo the lore and destroyed magic. The only people that are happy are the diehard Starco fans. They basically just said fuck you to everyone who only watched for the lore and history.
Counter point- they shouldn’t _have_ to do that because they should remember the stories they wrote because idk that’s the basic skill of any story writer
I absolutely agree, make it like a group thing for all the writers so they can also throw out ideas for the upcoming season, not only will it make them more aware of their continuity and characters but it would help make storylines that feel like reincorporation and don't make seasons feel so seperated.
The one plot hole I can NEVER get over is when Marco got his dimensional scissors. The man had spent YEARS in that dimension. He went through puberty, he grew up into an adult, he became a man, and by the end of the episode the only impact it had on his character was: he doesn't remember the password to his computer. WHAT THE FUCK GUYS!!! You can't just pretend he is still the same kid, he should be a completely different person! If you think about it, it is as if he went to prison. He went to a completely different place that he had to adapt to, met completely different people, all while growing up in that environment. When he saw Star (or his parents) for the first time after all those years, HE SHOULD HAVE BALLED HIS FUCKING EYES OUT, Rather than a "huh you look the same, OH WELL". This should have had such a huge impact on his character, that never gets addressed. The worst part about it is that when he gets the chance to go back into that same place, he has no second thought about going because he likes looking good. This makes me think about when prisoners get out of a long sentence, they mention that they can't adapt to the new world because they have been stuck inside for so long, but that doesn't apply here. He can't love both heckapoo's dimension (how ever you spell her name) and his at the same time. He would be fucking traumatized. The only crappy explanation I can possibly think of AS A JOKE is that he is keeping his troubles to himself. If this was the explanation, fine, but you could have SUCH a great episode where he breaks down and explains his problems and works through them with Star, not only great character development and relationship development between him and Star, but also have a rare message to talk about what it is like to grow up (whether it be alone in harsh conditions, or in general).
Dude Marco got shafted to fuck. He got more development with Jackie, a side character at best (thought with potential of her own but that's not the point) then he ever did with Star. And his scissors arc? That should be a show on its own. Tagline: a lot can happen in sixteen years.
@@murphyjack90 They could still make the scissors-thing into a spinoff of some kind. Nobody would bother watching it tho because of how fucked the mainseries is, lol.
yeah ok just gonna weigh in here. On something that nobody talks about/has mentioned yet in everywhere i have read. As i re watched the finale i think i got it. I think i got why the finale upset me so much. It was a subtle writing flaw that ticked me off as a writer that i didn't get until now. But now that i do ii understand why i still have issues. Simply put i let myself be confused by her wanting to stop mina. This is not important in the long run. What upset me so much was that Star never considered all the problems for others not on mewni without magic(or the spells) . what star did was the antithesis of the whole show, she became what she hated, a queen making a big decision for everyone else without actually considering the wants and needs of others. That is why i was so upset. When you break it down that is so against what Star's character is that it's downright upsetting. It sort of just...Makes her what she hated so much. Someone who makes decisions for others, saying it's for the best without asking anyone else. Literally her entire problem with the commission was this very thing and them lying about it saying ti was for the greater good of mewni. She basically does the same thing that feels so wrong Its just... So selfish. And there are no real consequences or fallout of this that affects her in a negative personal way It makes Star almost into a Mary Sue Everyone loves her and accepts her decisions no matter what and faces no consequences for her actions She kills magic and gets the guy in the end Simply put it makes star a hypocrite. Think about it. Star is litteraly a giant hypocrite by the end of the series and nobody points this out or addresses it. Heck even most people pointing out the problems of the show DON'T point THIS out either
I've been having the same thought. Finale Star is effectively the inverse of First Episode Star in a lot of ways, but they share the same faults. Generally self-centered and destructive, with no real thoughts about the consequences of their actions outside of changes that positively affect them. It's like a character moving forward in their arc, except they move sideways instead. They've moved really far, but haven't gotten any closer to the end goal. Yes, Star cares a lot more about people she didn't previously. But she still doesn't regard her own accountability or consequences for how she impacts them. NO ONE does. Where other characters get called out for doing things that only "seemed" evil in the past or actually have to atone for evil deeds, Star gets away with convincing people to straight-up destroy themselves and who-knows-how-many others because "it's the right thing to do". It's mind-boggling about how little anyone is actually willing to call-out her considerably radical and hypocritical ideas. The only saving grace I have for the ending is that the background characters/ humans have consistently been shown to be hilariously apathetic. They'd probably just go to work, have a monster standing in their cubicle when they get there, shrug, and pretend he'd been there since their first day on the job.
Yeah they made a big show of how racism is bad, but then they opened many, MANY cans of worms full of terrible life lessons that kids shouldn't be learning. And then, when you completely invalidate any good reason a person might want their kids to watch the show for life lessons, what was even the point of the racist bit? She committed genocide and flipped the lives of trillions of different creatures over multiple worlds, and likely even galaxies, and then gets the guy at the end. With no consequences that we the audience get to see... The sheer level of garbage morality this show had makes a old timey slapstick mickey mouse cartoon look angelic.
Y'know, that would've been a really good twist if it were intentionally written to be like that...and it's not. And that's what hurt the show, in a lot of ways.
Nacia Bell COMPLETELY AGREED Star "supposedly" was against powerful people doing selfish things for the "greater good" and she ended up exactly like that, not only that... The show spent ENTIRE EPISODES explaining us how mewmans and monsters were enemies SIMPLY by the fact they lived in the same planet and star finding a solution to all this conflict, now humans, mewmans and monsters live in the same planet, THEREFORE ruining everything star struggled too much to achieve, she made bad decisions but everyone still forgave her, she's loved by everyone and she destroyed the only struggle she made right, I don't like to apply the term Mary Sue to characters out of fanfics because Mary Sue is a fanfic term but Star Butterfly is an example of a Mary Sue, she's a badly written character sadly
Honestly, Star is the worst character on the show. She went from fun, energetic, and crazy, to kind of a wet blanket. She also treated Tom like absolute crap, and likely will do the same to Marco. Tbh, the show would've been better off with Star just being independent. One, I feel it suits her character better, and two, it cuts out a huge block of time that was wasted on romance. Edit; I've taken it upon myself to rewatch Star VS, as it's been a long while since I have, and god, did Star apparently change. Watching from season 2, I adore Star's zaniness, and she's easily one of my favorite characters. I think this is just an instance where the garbage writing of season 4 ruined her character for me, though I suppose I'll know for sure when I get around to it. Star aside, my opinions have shifted quite a bit on this show, and I'm enjoying it far more on this rewatch. Still hate Starco though lmao.
And it relegates the romantic interest characters on waiting on her and stuff. The way Marco S3 gave his scissors to her imo kinda shows they were going to be reduced to this.
Yeah her being in an arranged marriage with Shastican and hating him before they were married mentioned in the book of spells is never mentioned in the show
People already mentioned the continuity of the show and them knowing about four seasons but I wanna add that Nefcy said that apparently she was MAKING THE STORY UP AS SHE WENT
@@Cartoonshi Apologies, it wasn't Nefcy who said it, but rather Writer, Director and Producer: Dominic Bisignano. On his tumblr, he responded to a question by an anonymous asker and said "we work out a lot of themes beforehand, but Star is written by the people who are making it as it's being made" which seems to imply that they write the show with only general themes in mind.
Does anyone else think about the implications of merging dimensions? I mean, multiple things could merge on top of each other. Imagine just sitting in your room one second and then the next second you're impaled by a tree from another dimension. What if an ocean teleports under your house and destroys it in its waves, causing you to drown? How about the electric grid, sewage systems, and highways? They would also be destroyed, right? What about the cities around the world? Could their buildings topple and fall after having their foundations replaced. Not to mention the 200 foot tall monsters most people have never seen before doing substantial damage just by walking, which would likely cause another war. Although this setting could be a really interesting set up for a hypothetical season 5. Imagine Star and Marco's guilt after finding out their love caused millions of casualties and trillions in property damage. Would they stay together and risk another dimension merger or would they separate for the greater good?
Honestly, I hated that Globgor ended up being a misunderstood goodguy. If only because, the harder the show tried to convince you that he was a big evil dude, the more obvious it became that they were going to subvert your expectation and make him a sweet dad guy. And it was already getting pretty obvious by the time Eclipsa took the throne...
Ludo. What about Ludo. He was my favourte character since season 2 and in season 4 he was... nowhere. At the end they turned his abstence into a JOKE. I GUESS NEFCY JUST FORGOT.
I thought the part were Mina got stomped by the demon horse was funny. Because Mina was a joke, even from the very beginning. By her own merits, Mina had no reason to be the main villain of season. She had no skills, knowledge, powers, charisma, or even the force of will to be a major threat to anyone. The writers were so focused on bring racism plot-line up, so Mina was given the plot device of Moon Butterfly's idiocy to become a danger.
While I agree for the most part, I kind of like the fact that she was a big villain at the end. She's a peasant girl from a world of absolutely helpless idiots. He job was selling fucking towels on the street, if I remember right. Then out of desire for a strong army, the queen herself takes an interest in her. How could she say no? The queen soon fills her to the point of near destruction with overwhelming magical power. This shattered her mind and had the side effect, or intentional effect of immortality. A mind broken through physical, psychological, and likely "magical" trauma forced to go on for decades, possibly a century or two. All the while degrading. The only thing she can think about is serving her queen. As her queen is no longer with her, she turns to her bloodline in the butterfly family. She seems like she served them well enough. But then, then those so called queens start talking about ruining her queen's legacy. Her mission. Throwing it all away. For the benefit of her queen's enemies no less! She couldn't let this happen. All she knows is what her queen ingrained in her. Her PTSD coupled with her anger towards Moon and Star sending her into a violent rage. If they want to ruin her queen's legacy, they better think again. She rebuilds the army she fought side by side with. She reclaims her rightful power. The power of her queen. The power she was trusted with to stomp out the enemies of the kingdom. She rises again, to fulfill Queen Solaria's commands for the final time.
@@Dave102693 Yeah. That's a good way to show that Mina wasn't just loyal. She was broken. "Hunt the monsters" is what she knew. Unlike her mentally intact queens, she is unable to comprehend the limits of her orders. Also I do agree that the way she was just slapped aside in the end was a horrible choice. She should have been an actual threat that was defeated by something, anything, except a joke.
epion660 the first Clip I saw if this show was Mina’s “lightly used rags for sale” thing with Solaria and I had no clue she’d be the villain of the season back then lol
Never understand why people rooting for her. She is definitely bad queen, who doesn't care about her people and only interested in her man-eater husband. She is as bad as Moon and Star.
@@cantdecideausername8584 exactly they’d really demonize him then but he’s a good boy but it’s star’s main character syndrome she can’t be knocked down for using her princess song for putting the entire kingdom into a panic Bringing royal teenagers into a dangerous monster castle no one has been in for years Cheating on Tom Still not taking respecting monsters seriously Oh and killing time and magic And not calling out pony head’s horrible toxic behavior
the starco ending doesnt even make sense because marco is all like "ive felt this way from the start" even though he wanted to kick her out when they first met and the box of truth even confirmed marco didnt feel that way. daron is a fangirl of her own product and is such an idiot in general. i think she is still a kid in the worst way possible. she isnt a writer, shes just someone who wrote a story. you know what i mean? she cares more about fan service and being progressive than her actual resolution and characters in the show
And even then, it was shown how Marco showed his feelings very obviously, like with Jackie. However, Marco started showing his emotions around season 3. So that’s when we can conclude that Marco started having feelings around season 3, right? However, that doesn’t make any sense because he only started showing feelings when Tad addressed them. Such inconsistency.
@@supercvnt exactly. However, that’s just disacknowledged, because if the blood moon curse was to curse them together, shouldn’t it have made them both fall in love at the same time? And that doesn’t even explain why star stopped having feelings for Marco during season 3. And even so, star having feelings again in the final episodes of the final season isn’t consistent, because we don’t see any buildup.
@@marcusvergara6193 actually it means that Marco and Star only started having feelings for each other after breaking the curse, which is like 7 episodes before them getting together, and don't fucking tell me that two people can fall in love in like 2 weeks
Oh yes, people like redemption arc of abusers. Star/steven universe/adverure time to me are the generarion of forgive and redeem a users nad make a lazy end
@@purplenutria1351 in stars case its because the main protags are just as shitty to some characters but are given no arch of improvement and are congratulated by the universe despite their clear inherent selfishness and lack of awareness. at least the previous abusers realize they were wrong and began improving, star literally was insinuated for committing mass genocide and decided to do what the main villian of the first two seasons wanted but thats never even addressed or looked in to. steven universe case particularly pisses me off tho cuz the diamond redemption arch was so rushed and lazy it made me stop watching the show entirely
you just arnt getting it if a ship is being developed for two seasons it has to end in about 3 - 4 episodes. It's just how you write a good show. right?
Honestly... I was kinda rooting for them. (Yes, I ship. What of it?) Of course I always knew it wasn't going to be permanent but I had no idea how crappy their relationship would ultimately be treated by the show. If I had known that this is what they would do with that, then I honestly would have prefered if they had cut out their relationship altogether. The way it is now, it only wasted everyone's time. And again, this comes from someone who was actually shipping Kellco. They could've had their relationship mean something and still end the series with Starco.
Actually, it wasn't really Disney's fault, since Daron expected the fourth season to be the last since the very moment it was renewed, so before of writing it.
I mean tbh I understood why Tom broke up with Star, she was an awful girlfriend the entire time. She practically used him as a vessel when she wasn't with Marco. Marco's character died when he started liking Star. Tom developed well but he’s literally just used by Star. She kissed Marco and then got mad at Tom for knowing and not saying anything and not being mad. Then is a bit upset his mom is a bit suspicious about her hurting him again
Gravity Falls was spaced out perfectly compared to this. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve always loved Star vs, but the filler episodes just never contributed to the plot line and were pretty pointless, and the plot driven episodes just felt rushed. GF had filler episodes too, but they developed characters, revealed important details, and still moved the plot along while staying interesting and hilarious. SVTFOE had so much potential, but it was almost all wasted.
Ive always seen the purpose of filler episodes is to make us care about the main cast so that when the actual important episodes happened and stakes were high, we actually felt what the characters were feeling. Gravity Falls did this perfectly, and Star vs. did this for a time too, but eventually it made me NOT want to care about all of the characters aside from Tom because everyone else sucked. Tom was the MVP of season 4 though.
RWBY, SVTFOE, Miraculous Ladybug, these three series had AMAZING potential but unfortunately werent properly taken care of by their respective writers.
They did tomstar so dirty tbh In a better show they would've been a couple that helped each other become better people, star inspiring Tom and tom inspiring star as they tackle the monster conflict together with their friend Marco and set a good example for the future. (I would've also given them props for not making the obvious couple endgame and doing a mature route where it ties more into one of the main conflicts and shows people can change and try again and do better) Or at least, that's what I thought in s3 when they actually included Tom more in the monster conflict and presented a really interesting idea about him being half monster from his perspective. Since meteora was babified I would've liked hearing Tom talk about what it's like to be mixed race in this universe but it never comes up again and its wasted potential. I really don't know why they even made him half monster or even acknowledge star and Tom showed hope for the future of monster and mewman relations if they were either never gonna bring it up or squander it to get starco together last minute. I guess daron nefcy just forgot. Tbh I just prefer to pretend Cornonation was the finale and they defeated mina after and nothing after it happened, the show would still have problems but at least Cornonation felt like the end and left everything in a more satisfying way then the actual end. I prefer leaving off with the idea eclipsa has her family back to rule mewni, tom and star are happy and going on a trip together, marco will move back soon to see his sister, ect ect. Tbh the AMA addresses some of the things mentioned in this video, that the finale wasn't rushed and daron loves the finale and thinks the people upset just want more content, that apparently they really didn't have an explanation for Marco's marks at all....not even why they're moons as apparently they would've been fine picking other options, that she loves the "filler" episodes, ect ect and I don't think it'll make anything a lot better for you. I love this show but it is full of wasted potential and at the very least the majority of the fans hated this end and knew it wasn't satisfying for all the years they spent invested in the mysteries, plots, and characters. This is the show of wasted potential.
Honestly the fact that Nefcy doesn’t understand the effect filler has during an ongoing story and dismisses the massive plot holes as people wanting more content shows that she most likely just gave up with this season after realising everything they set up made no sense.
@@Cartoonshi according to her she likes the episodes because she finds them fun but it doesn't entirely work for this series and they left way too much hanging without an explanation. Priorities here. They spent an episode getting Kelly and Marco together despite the fact they'd have to break them up almost immediately instead of an episode about what was so complicated about eating Shastacan. They prioritized the spell episode despite the evil spell amounting to nothing by the end instead of an episode about Tom dealing with why he might want to break up with star. Even if we were to believe daron is lying out of her teeth on it not being rushed to avoid conflict with Disney she's still at fault for what the season chose to do with it's time. The crew should've used it more wisely or changed things to better suit an end even if it meant not getting the end daron planned. If you're gonna have tomstar last almost 2 seasons, just let then be endgame, don't break them up last minute to rush star and Marco together. If you have not spent enough time building to it, don't destroy magic, do something else for the end conflict. If you can't do it well don't do it at all, find another end note suitable. I would've been just fine with an epic battle against mina and her army involving every character we've gotten to know fighting against them. It wouldn't be perfect but it'd at least be better then this. You can come up with another ridiculous reason to cure the solarian magic, if you had readjusted this end and readjusted stuff early on you could've set something up. She says she left so many plot holes to give her and her fans more to play with but it just feels lazy, theres having minor stuff unexplained and then theres this show where it feels like something will come back and be explained but never does. She might never get back to this show so we might never get any actual answers. I just personally wish she at least acknowledged she may of screwed up, shes avoided most of the criticism and really good questions about her troubled continuity and plot holes, and only acknowledged the rare amount praising it as amazing despite it being clear the majority of fans hated how most of this stuff went. I'd have more respect if she acknowledged the other aspects of the fanbase weren't pleased instead of brushing them off as silly or shrugging about it mostly. It makes her seem blissfully unaware and it bothers everyone. Oh well, time to dive into better written fancontent that takes advantage of the ideas presented, treats tomstar with more respect, and has a better basis on how magic works in this universe then the actual series.
Daron didn’t forget about anything, she admitted that Tom is a mix of her ex boyfriends, and since Starco is her self admitted self insert fantasy, she can’t have anything but her IRL relationship (Starco) work.
This was the most impactful cartoon ending I've seen. I dreamt of 5 alternative endings in a row after watching the Final Episode. Each night for 5 dcking days. Just because the ending was so dcking bad.
To me, I think the worst part of the finale was that the message turns out to be "Toffee was right". Saying your villan was overall right is a terrible message for a story that isn't engaging in grey-ish morality. Yes, magic was used to cause a lot of problems, but it was also the solution to a lot of problems. Just like, you know, _every_ major tool in human (and in-universe terms, every sapient's) history. I honestly thought that Star's declaration in the penultimate episode was something that in the finale Star realizes it would be impossible or the wrong way to go about it. I groaned when I realized the plan was actually going to "work" and was being celebrated as the right move. I personally do like Starco. I think they are cute together. However, you _don't make it happen by putting one of the key breakups offscreen_ ! That is just lazy telling instead of showing for an important point. Also, despite me liking the ship, they rubbed it in our faces too much; too blatant with teasing it. And yes, Star was a bad girlfriend. What if this happened instead? Have Tom break up with Star for being a bad girlfriend, have Star go soul searching, realize her flaws, commit to fix those flaws, and then Marco can recognize she is trying to improve on that and they can try to learn how to relationship right together. That would have felt natural and developed. Not a hamfisted starry-eyed mindwammied "I love you" being tipping point. Starco could have worked, and really well if written right. But not like this...
Not to mention, "Toffee was right" is an alarmingly simplistic message, considering "Destroy Magic" was only Step _One_ of the plan. Step Two was obviously "Take back all of Mewnie in the name of Monsterkind... by taking my gigantic army of furious, nigh-unkillable super-monsters, rolling over the mostly unarmed and almost entirely helpless Mewman population, and basically re-enacting Mewnipendence Day/The Great Monster Massacre in reverse, only instead of just crushing the Mewman armies, we'll be slaughtering every last man, woman, and child, and likely any Mewman-allied monsters too".
I agree. Gravity Falls ended perfectly in 2016. SVTFOE unfortunately--feels unfinished and incomplete. They also failed to mention about the TRUE villain named Seth of Septarsis; he--along with the resurrected or phantom Toffee--could've been the TRUE endgame instead of little miss monster-racist whacko Mina Loveberry. And I'd just wish Hekapoo transformed into a human with absolutely NO magic if she was given one final wish before the eradication of magic---IF season 5 ever existed but will never happen. I like the show but if Disney COULD'VE done better, then the creator, along with her team, could've made the show even better, and Disney would've overruled the 4-season limit just once and season 5 would've happened maybe in 2020. Also, the series finale episode "Cleaved" is mostly mediocre but otherwise sucked.
>destroys magic just to get with some guy that practically ignored her feelings for him Throughout the series till the last few episodes >kill everyone that had magic as their life support >causes 2 worlds to collide in which could have gotten some humans killed with the monsters that suddenly appear >all this for Starco to happen WHY
This is old BUT now that I think about it, didn't Nefcy said Tom could still teleport since he's a demon ???? Even if the magic was gone? Like .... Then why he couldn't go if his powers aren't magical ... What
I genuinely did like Starco at first, mostly because there was no ship more interesting in show. Then Hekapoo was introduced and I saw her and Marco's whole dynamic and they instantly became my OTP. I also loved how Tom has developed over the seasons, and I was honestly shipping them almost as hard as Markapoo. Then season four happened and all the character development was undone, Star freaking murdered Hekapoo (as well as most of the freaking multiverse), and Tom literally went to hell...
Since Mina said “I swore my allegiance to solaria” why didn’t they say that eclipsa is solarias child and that since she has her blood going through her that they should stop, but noooooooo they wanted it to end like this
because mina hates eclipsa thats her entire motivation why would eclipsa being a descendant of solaria change anything she's still a monster smoocher in her eyes
The show honestly should've stayed with kept it's tone in season 1 and 2. Slice of life and episodic. The lame attempt to practically be gravity falls should never have been.
Believe me I was all for them being more dramatic and story-driven, especially after the endings for Seasons 1 and 2, but even though I think Season 3 was the best Season in terms of story, in hindsight Season 2 was a lot better and I personally still think Season 1 was the best. The drama just wasn’t built up well and the story just travelled along like afterthoughts.
@@Cartoonshi I agree see they should've taken the whole love triangle bullshit. Add more to the lore that's was in the guidebook. And explore toffee past you the guy that had some much potential
Yeah, IDK why every show feels the need to get plot-heavy and dramatic. Why can't we get more We Bare Bears, interesting plots in every episode while still being light-hearted and fun? No genocide, no main characters being separated forever, no getting rid of magic, a huge charm in the show.
Tomco was literally the best developed relationship in this show. They had the best chemistry and made the most sense. Plus Marco treated Tom way better than Star. Honestly they should have been endgame.
@@brandonvelde5774 I agree since she basically committed GENOCIDE and while I may not be a fan of the show even I don’t think it deserved to end like that.
Remember when Marco had a magic sentient monster arm that tempted him to violence and took over his body, then, once subdued, vowed that "YOU CAN TREAT THE SYMPTOMS, BUT YOU'LL NEVER CURE THE VIRUS!", and it was never mentioned again? Remember when Eclipsa had a diplomatic visit from the royal family of another kingdom, and they were so horrified and offended by the countless reminders of Globgor's innumerable Crimes Against Mewmanity that were set in places of honor around the palace that _the only way_ Eclipsa could save the alliance was to show them that Globgor was imprisoned and _swear_ to them that _he'd never get out,_ and none of that was ever mentioned again? Remember when Marco not only _successfully used Star's wand,_ but the high dose of powerful magic gave him/revealed his cheek marks, and his magical ability is only mentioned again _once_ as basically a throwaway gag in the last episode?
Marco treats tom better than star. Let that sink in. Marco, who was literally almost killed by this guy twice, and helped him rehabilitate himself, treats tom better star. Who's, ya know, his girlfriend.
Yep. Forget plot, forget character development, forget logic, everything good must die for STARCO!! LOOK KIDS! STARCO!! ISN'T THAT GREAT?! (Sigh) It could've been so good.
Carla Carrero a shipping should not ruin a show. As writers and creators they should of saw how much damage this would of done and fixed it. Either not go with the ship or just fix the damage. It is entirely possible for a pairing like this to work without damaging a show. To put it bluntly: No it cannot just be a shipping. That’s simplifying the issue.
how AMAZING would it have been if Marco ended up being a butterfly?? Star isn’t a butterfly and it would’ve been so awesome if Marco in the end ended up being royalty, and it would also make star a butterfly in the end if she married him. They could have also added to this concept, if it ended up being canon, with MONSTER ARM!! Monster arm’s last line was so ominous and I sometimes wondered why monster arm cared about staying in a useless lil boy like Marco instead of trying to move on to bigger targets, but it would’ve been great if it ended up being that monster arm knew that Marco was royalty, and he was just biding his time, waiting to show up again to try and control Marco into being a tyrant once Marco found out himself that he was royalty. Then we have evil Marco. His wand CLEARLY codes him into being “evil” and if we got a slow build up of his morality getting more and more skewed the more he stays on mewni, that would’ve been GREAT build up from the wand foreshadowing. Then, when he finds out he’s a butterfly it pushes him over the edge and monster arm finally reveals himself, stating that he has been gaining more and more power overtime and that now he and Marco can do big things just.... hell maybe the last boss of the series should’ve been MARCO. Would’ve been wayyy better than Mina, and Marco being a smart little boy could’ve ended up figuring out a lot of stuff about mewni history and toffee’s history. The only thing is we would need some build up on is monster arm’s motivations; why DOES he want to reign supreme...is it just to be evil or is he working for someone else. Did toffee at one point corrupt the butterfly wand so that if it’s magic is used on a (biological) butterfly that has the potential to do great things monster arm appears? And he works for him and his ultimate plan is for Marco to revive toffee’s army. The audience can learn more about how evil the butterfly’s were through marco’s discoveries and it would make it very hard to choose who to root for, Marco or star, and then maybe a compromise is reached in the end of maybe MARCO CONVINCES STAR TO DESTROY THE MAGIC. I’m just rambling at this point and this doesn’t really make sense but sooooo much could’ve happened with Marco being a butterfly/ still having monster arm, and it was wasted! Idk, I just feel like if me, a 17 year old with no writing experience, can build on this then showriters with that experience could’ve been AMAZING
you know, I really love the concept of good and evil For I like dullness more, and honestly, perhaps Marco, as an official person, could have convened to help the MHC supposedly change Mewni completely to have a relationship with Hekapoo (well, or agree after completing all plans, etc.) well, Marco's deal was probably different already without the Destruction of Magic, etc., rather something else
I forgot where down the line the swap happened but moon and star have those cheekmarks. And based on that marriage thing you mentioned that would make star a butterfly. Shouldn't moon's (or her husband) ancestor already married a butterfly... Making moon and star true butterflies. It's confusing
Milo Murphy's Law is better than Star at this point. Amphibia is _much_ better than Star so far, and so is DuckTales 2017. Heck, I'd wager even Big City Greens is better than Star, and I haven't even seen that one. Wander Over Yonder is better too, and that got the boot too early. *An unfinished series is better than what Star had become.*
@@xblade149 what makes tangled good is unlike Star vs it handles the romance really well and focuses on rapunzels journey instead of shipping drama basically tangled is the good twin of Star vs
Personally, I see Lumity from The Owl House as one giant middle finger to Starco in that it's a prime example of how to actually write a romance subplot in which the relationship actually feels healthy and natural...not to mention the romance subplot in Owl House doesn't get in the way of character development and story progression
And Amphibia was another big middle finger to Star vs FoE; - showing how to make a calculated, evil lizard (ik Newts are amphibious). - how to do a finale by taking over another dimension - have there dimensions be divided and STILL DIVIDED by the end of the series. - AND BOTH MAIN CHARACTERS (sprig and Ann) ARE OKAY WITH, AND SAID THEIR GOODBYES.
@@lisabarnes924 SPOILERS and the owl house had the dimensions divided but Luz could still visit both worlds and the only person who tried genocide was the VILLIAN
The show became a mindless chaos ship war which cause people to give up on the show and i can see why. Although i feel that the Starco fans are the ones to blame for bringing the show downhill and cause Marco and Star to break up with Jackie and Tom which i thought it was going well for them since it seem they only care about their ship instead of the actual story.
Don’t forget Kellyco where they broke up off screen.... and Marco knows how Kelly has gone through a lot of relationships issues and then got dumped by Marco...
Isaiah Rivers Look I’m not a big starco fan and I do not know much on the fandom. But I get the feeling that they planned starco from the start but did not incorporate it right. I’m just saying don’t blame the fans.
The fans probably made it worse, but I feel like it was on Nefcy for most of it. Even with Starco Shippers, a lot of them either stopped liking the ship or weren't satisfied at the end because it was rushed and unsatisfying (like myself. I stopped caring halfway through season 3). Anyway, just saying, don't necessarily blame the fans, we do have some taste.
It was actually a perfect ending It shows the message: Fuck everyone Only Star and Marco and their "love" matter Everyone else can die for all they care
Also in questbuy they had alot of wand batteries meaning there are other magic wand users yet we never saw any of them and they made it seem like only the moon family had magic users. That couldve been a good plot.
Mina and her army killed a number of innocent monsters, who tried to fight them off. And no punishment for Mina and racist villagers. Moon didn't get any punishment for her out of character and disgusting actions as well. Toffee was the only villain who got punished for things that Star did at the end of the season 4. Star is a "hero" and Toffee is a "bad guy". He didn't get off the hook, while everyone else did.... Why? I liked Toffee as a villain, he should have had a bigger role and should have been the main antagonist, not brainless Mina.
Kelsey Disney should stop remaking classic movies that are already perfect and start remaking cartoons/shows with interesting premises that had terrible executions. They could definitely capitalize on the fact that a majority of the fan base would welcome a reboot/remake of their favorite but poorly executed show!
Funny that you said who's in charge of continuity. The person in charge of continuity was removed and moved to something else before season 3 begin. Look at season 1 and 2 there's a continuity person but season 3 doesn't have any. Also, my favorite characters River because he stayed consistent. Also you can't blame Disney for this one cuz they knew they have 4 seasons at the beginning of the series.
Creators of Bojack knew too that season 6 will be the last season. And they wrote really good stuff And creators of Star just broke my heart. This show was a wasting of time
Sweet Failure No it’s not cheating. SvtFoE used to be so good. I’m not gonna lower my standards for this show that much to expect less of it than other great cartoons like Bojack. SS4 is just such a steep drop in quality that I can’t blame you for thinking it’s not comparable to Bojack while seeing SS4
I'm mad how they ended Kelly and Marco. I was upset but tolerant when Jarco ended but i couldn't forgive them for Kellco. Even though i went into the episodes knowing that Starco was endgame. Both breakups were too sudden for me to accept.
@@stxr_g1rl714 well, star said she would say the whispering spell. Unless there are two spells with the same name, I don't think that's what happened...
The fact they glossed over the whole destroying magic and the consequences of killing millions of magical beings and trapping people in certain dimsensions is what infuriates me the most also the destroying magic was kinda of a cop out to the villains and moons betrayal made no sense it just felt rushed and unfinished and forced at times, also funny how they introduced the spells as living beings considering Star killed them all at the end
why does everyone just assume there's thousands of creatures made from pure magic? the show only shows like 6 characters that are made from magic. its not a genocide
@@chickennoodlegamer915 Some being rely on it, some being are apart of it, imagine floating cities falling from the sky? Invention solely using magic just stop working, nobody can dimensional travel anymore.
@@DromusTH i can imagine that but something like that has never been shown in the show before. in my eyes magic in the show isn't defined by all fantastical elements, just stuff manifested by the wand. after the destruction of magic stuff like dragoncycles, ponyhesds ability to float, the cloud kingdom, all still exist just as they did before the magic. unlike portals, spells, glossaryck, the milhorses, all things created by the realm of magic
I mean, why Eclipsa couldn't just destroy an entire Mina's army by simply repeating the destruction spell several times? Even if it destroys half of the Mewni, it's still much better than destroying magic and killing all magical creatures in ALL dimensions
There truly was no real sense of urgency throughout the ending. Shows like Gravity Falls, Phineas and Ferb, Kim Possible, and the season finales of Ducktales and Milo Murphy's Law had their characters act and think fast because their worlds depended on it. And their main villain wasn't offed by a minor character...
This is somethign that genuinely bothers me. If Mina was built up so much to be the final boss and was offed lie that, why was there fear of her or her army if she was going to be taken as a joke?
Ship vise: I thought it would be a so much better message if Tom and Star ended up together as soon as Tom said “you’re a mewman, I’m a monster. If we can make it work, then there’s hope for everyone..”. And btw, apparently every character is bi so they just fucking threw all meaning of sexuality away. I could’ve handle ANYTHING else then Star committing FUCKING *GENOCIDE*
Starco fan here.... They ruined the show for this ship. Tbh I would have preferred a good finale over a ship becoming canon. Seriously writers.... wtf.
@@andrewaftontheandroidhedge2780 words?😂 Sorry lol I know you mean 'worlds', but now I have this funny mental image where someone combines two long words that sound nothing alike and the world descends into chaos for some convaluted reason. Omg that actually lowkey sounds like a plot point in a Regular Show or Amazing World of Gumball episode 🤣 And I also realized you misspelled 'possibly' in a way that a lot of people actually pronounce it😆 (This is not meant to be condescending. I've always disliked THOSE people in comment sections who unnecessarily critique and correct people's spelling, grammar, punctuation, etc. And I'm one of those people who is always correcting their siblings on their grammar. But this is RU-vid for Pete's sake. The rules of the English language don't apply here😅)
Honestly, why didn’t Marco bring Jackie with him to Mewni? That would’ve fixed most of the romance drama in Seasons 3-4! There could still be Starco endgame, with Jackie slowly realizing that Marco is better for Star. She could dump him near the same time that Tom dumps Star for the same reason. There could’ve been double-dates on Mewni. I don’t understand why Marco didn’t think to bring Jackie with him to Mewni, after helping kill Toffee!
Because having Jackie around more than she was would have made even more clear how much better of a character and partner she was than Star, and that would have undercut the Starco ship the entire series was about for some reason.
I don't think Jackie would have left her family, friends and entire life to go to another DIMENSION with her teenage boyfriend so he could be with his best friend.
