Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania - Spoilers Discussion! 

I can always tell if the movie is bad by how exhausted Alex looks

Who knew that a multiversal conquer, one who killed various versions of the avengers numerous times (including some of their heavy-hitters), was weak to a bunch of ants that were borderline magical in their cognitive capabilities, rose to a class 2-type civilization (on the Kardashev scale) and somehow maintained the strictest of loyalties to the protagonists despite being stuck in the quantum realm for a bloody millennia due to the protagonist's fault?! Goddammit, that third act killed most of my brain cells.

That was Kang the Concurrer. The most agreeable of all the Kangs.

The Quantum Realm in the previous films is accessed only by becoming smaller than atoms, it's supposed to be a place where the rules of space and time don't apply yet in this film it's treated like a typical alternate dimension or something. It seems to me that Phase 4 has a habit of retconing established things set in the Infinity Saga.

I feel like whoever came up with this backstory for MODOK also came up with the horrible take on Taskmaster from Black Widow. Just killin characters. Sure it's MODOK, but the point stands.

If I’m being honest, I’m absolutely ready for Marvel to go on a year long hiatus, minimum.

..I missed Luis. It's not the same without him. Deserved at least a cameo in the first minutes of the movie

I like how they explained why they understand the quantum people. In other MCU films, all aliens from the universe speaks english or they just can understand one another immediately

The longer they talk about this movie and the more I look at Alex‘s face the more I’m convinced this is blow a 5/10 I mean you can practically feel his depression

I refuse to believe this Kang killed a single Avenger.

I think Alex nailed it: It's all about tension and stakes that we can relate to. There are infinite kangs and they travel between infinite universes to do anything: who gives a damn. Thanos can beat the hulk in a fist fight: HOLY $H!T One is totally intangible and we can't relate to it on any meaningful level. The other is a threat because it relates to a benchmark is strength we've been very familiar with and have come to assume was reliably unmatched. There is a real sense of shock and threat when we see the hulk beaten in a fist fight without any mcguffins or dumb scifi magic.

Rolled my eyes like the 3rd time one of the protagonists got the drop on a Kang henchman because they were inexplicably not searched and stripped of their tech/weapons.

Marvel needs a break, no more shows no more crossover movies. Just take a year off and focus on individual characters and their own classic villains. It’s become very over saturated at this point

The psychic powers of him tossing people around and the explosion ability alone was enough to beat everyone. They really dropped the ball with Kang the Conqueror. This needed a tragic ending to show how dangerous Kang is.

With Kang's ship power, it gets both tiny and huge Pym Particles at the same time, which is why it is and looks broken. The middle part gets tiny whilst the outer part gets huge.

Seeing this movie's Kang being not only defeated by one of the MCU's C-list heroes but also saying that he was the one Kang these other Kangs feared felt so ass backwards. Its like playing a game and the first boss you encounter turns out to have been the final boss and every boss you fight after is just a mini boss.

The movie should have ended with Kang's victory and Ant-man and Wasp stuck in the quantum realm (or with one of them dead). Moreover, I thought that Kang the conqueror eventually becomes "he who remains" (from Loki season 1) given his fixation with creating and maintaining the "sacred timeline". 🤔

The ants seriously should be the next big threat lol

I don't think Kang the Conqueror is dead...I think Marvel just wanted to show him real quick so they can tuck him away and focus on the variant Kangs across multiple movies & shows before bringing him back as a true Avengers level threat in The Kang Dynasty...Him getting sucked into the orb thingy is a good set up for him possibly growing even more powerful and at the same time making the audience forget about him long enough to have it be a surprise when he returns...as it says at the end of the movie

The ants were seconds away from soloing Kang. “Modok” literally just killed himself to complete a joke.

When Alex & Joe mentioned that the one they took down is “The Most Powerful Kang”, I jittered in shock thinking “You seriously killed off the big one so soon? And leave us with these other weaker versions of this guy?”

Once the spoiler review started I was shocked this got a 5/10. Should be way lower.

alex not laughing at joe's antics, makes joe try even more going over the top. love it!

I knew they were gonna mess Kang up the moment they announced he'd be in Ant Man. Kang is an easy character to mess up because he can be silly that's why he works as a background threat. The doom you're meant to feel when Loki sees his statue should have been across all of phase 4. Kang shouldn't actually show up until we have an established Avengers team so he can casually beat them. Earth's Mightiest heros did it well because dude literally is just talking smack while trivializing all the Avengers and he only loses because of plot. I just feel bad for Majors, dude is being wasted.

When MODOK revealed his face my whole audience started bursting out in laughter. The film just straight up made him a punchline throughout which got old pretty quick.

Would have been a cool Ending when they come out of the quatum realm and many years have passed, kang has conquered earth and the entire universe and its scott fault because he basically set him free. All the upcoming movies could Deal with the other heroes dealing with the situation when kang took over and then in the upcoming avengers: the kang dynastie they come together to stop him.

My biggest issue with the movie was how dumb they think the audience is, they had to do actual on screen flash backs during exposition what, 5 times? And once it was even a flashback/exposition dump about something that had happened 45 minutes earlier in the same movie

Friends should never let friends get interrupted mid sentences

How’s kang gonna be an avengers level threat bruh gets solo’d by a Loki and now antman LOL

My favorite part of the movie is that the ants made a type two civilization haha

I rate if Kang killed Scott in that final fight and showed us how proper strong he was and sent dread to those on the other side of the portal movie would have been pretty ok😄

I think this movie needed SOME visual tease of the multiverse. The main problem was this movie talked so much about Kang being this multiversal conqueror but we didn't see so much as him killing a single Avenger variant. Just like, show anything at all. There was no HOLY CRAP moment that made me really excited to see Kang Dynasty.

MCU is going from a well-adapted Comic universe to a family friendly kids show. How many more invincible hero children are they going to add? Edit: Other than Groot, are all the kids introduced Daughters?

Loki Season 1 explained Kang and the multiverse much better. In fact, they should have cancelled quantummania entirely and just put all their effort and marketing into Loki Season 2. Big oof 😢

didn't Janet have weird power in ant man 2? that was completly ignored in this movie

Wasn't it neat that teenage Cassie built the device to map the Quantum realm. Super genius Hank Pym spent 30 years trying to do the same thing but couldn't

Ant Man 3 was around the same level as Thor Love and Thunder. I think that is it for me with Marvel.

The quantum realm in end game made ant-man jump five years into the future because he was in there for five hours. The quantum realm in quantumania? Eh, it'll be fine, if we just completely ignore that, right?

The helmet-on/helmet-off thing drove me nuts. Not just MODOK. Ant-Man, Wasp, Cassie, Kang. Constantly. On, off. On, off. On, off. Just keep the goddamn helmets on!!

Alex making AJ laugh is why I watch these reviews. So fucking wholesome

How tf did antman beat KANG… let me say it again HOW TF DID ANTMAN BEAT KANG

In the films defense Janet combined both the enlargement orbs with the shrinking orbs so it put the sphere in a state of Flux which cause the probability storm and that's why Kang couldn't enter it without loosing his mind... I also think that's how we get the Ultimate Kang (or Prime) because he looses his mind and one of the variants created in the new probability storm will be the most dangerous version 🤷🏾‍♂️

One of my issues I expected from the trailers, was that Antman Thrives from scale. The audience needs things they recognize and can relate to in order to get a sense of scale with the shrinking and growing. Within the made up Quantum realm. There were No relative things to scale against. Which made most scenes confusing, especially the "you're huge" scene. And this Kang guy. There is no setup to what he can do. So he just does anything. Like that kid in the playground "I have everything armour" At least with the Purple guy and his Rock collection. You set up his strength, by fighting green angry man. And the magic rocks all had a special name associated with what they could do. Great set ups. Didnt really enjoy this antman. It has been my favourite MCU hero to follow. Disappointed

In Quantumania, the Council of Kangs looks to be governed by three distinctive versions of Kang: Rama-Tut (the Egyptian Pharaoh one who time traveld back to Egypt to conquer it), Immortus (the older, bearded version with the scratchy voice), and the Scarlet Centurion; of which the latter in the comics he wore red, so not sure why MCU decided to make him look all Tron blue neon.

Poor Alex. You are so brave for watching movies that you don’t like or ones that bore you. At any rate, keep up the good work you all and I’d like to see Alex speak more since he analyzes everything as fair as possible. Oh and I can’t wait to see Fantastic 4 and the other MCU heroes team up and defeat Kang and possibly Doom and/or Galactus if possible since Kang May not be the strongest big threat out there

“It’s just MODOK, who cares” is such a cop out. They could have made him really cool and scary (and yes, ridiculous).

I thought that threat where he says "I will kill your daughter and make you rewatch it over, and over. " was cool but I mean it could have been better if he showed him with the first Demonstration then rewind time. Has more of an impact.

I’m sorry but Namor was way more threatening than this Kang. The ending should’ve been Kang escaping and some of the Ant family getting trapped in the Quantum Realm. The mid credit scene would’ve had more weight because now all the other Kangs would have to come together to stop Kang the Conqueror

10:30 Victor Von Doom's back story is insane actually! He with Reed and Dr. Strange-outsmart Mephisto to save Victor's mother's soul. Mephisto sends him to the dark ages hoping it kills him. INSTEAD he is saved by Merlin and ends up bro's with Arthur! o-0 and taught magic by one of the grandmasters. He's sent to the 33rd century because no matter when he picks past 30th, Merlin can't nor can Arthur. WHEN Victor does, he's met with Nathaniel Richards attempting to take Earth over! What makes Doom such a awesome villain like Magneto but with a twist. Doom thinks the only way to stop Nathaniel from doing his Kang future is to kill Reed Richards in current years o-0 the John Connor Terminator paradox! such a cool character and set of villains

I got a Star Wars vibe from the movie. The world building, different alien races, rescuing other characters, the ships, cities and the big battle with the Rebels at the end.

so to sum up the spoilers: - bad modok cgi - shytty adaptaion of "not actually modok" - Kang was beaten by a joke - no one important really dies - there are hundrends of Kangs that behave like mindless sportfans - there'll be a Kang in Loki S2.

I was waiting for kang to use his time travel arm band to rewind time and fix the fight he lost AND THEY DIDNT EVEN DO IT ... WHAT A SHAME...

I kinda found it annoying that at the end grandma (can't remember their names) says the orb has enough power for one more trip. I thought Scott was going to sacrifice himself, trapping himself with Kang, but then they just reopen the portal from the other side. Just kinda felt like a missed opportunity to have a bittersweet victory by having Scott either die or be at the mercy of Kang.

I think the Cassie actor would’ve made a good Ellie in last of us

1. They were already trying to mine the quantum realm for its resources in previous films (setting up the huge plot point for defeating Thanos)... but Suddenly a signal down there is a problem? 2. Darren was Pim's protégé. Between him and Kang they couldn't figure out how to undo Janet's exploding of the core?

Hahaha Alex has had it 🤣

I just watched it and was waiting for this review

Jack Black would have been a great traditional MODOK.

I can't wait for the pitch meeting! Gonna be alot of getting ALL the way off the back & super easy, barely an inconvenience going on. Whoops! Whoopsie!!!

Does this not seem like a shitty nock off of Tron: Legacy. It's literally on point story wise

The MCU needs better writers and get rid of their ACTIVISTS.

The Baskin Robbins guy is Gregg Turkington, who is friends with Paul Rudd and Tim Heidecker from Tim & Eric days. Tim Heidecker also has a cameo as the whale watching guide from the second Ant-Man movie. Gregg's role in Ant-Man is also a significant plot-point in the On Cinema at the Cinema universe, which is the greatest cinematic universe that's ever been created.

This THE REVIEW I was waiting for!

MODOK out here looking like George Lopez from sharkboy and lavagirl.

Just finished watching it...I don't know when but there was a point where I forgot I was watching a Marvel film. It straight up turned into a Star Wars film.

At the end of the film when Ant-Man starts rethinking everything Kang said to him and becoming unsure if Kang was truly stopped, I think this is the 'cursed with knowledge' situation that Iron Man had with Thanos, where he was getting mental flashes of the impending doom coming after the first Avengers film. That's how it came off to me anyway

Can we for once, just let Alex speak without getting constantly interrupted

12:23 If there is a King tut variant, that’s how they are going to connect moon kight

Pray for the boys during this new phase….. Anyone calling this film great/good or even saying Kang is the best current big bad is doing a massive cope mechanism. Such a good start to the next phase of the MCU, have your big bad (Kang, a man who’s defeated the avengers many times) in this very film get outsmarted and defeated by goddamn ant-man, his wife and his teenage annoying daughter 😂 plus CGI Giant Ants (Alex was right it wasn’t that many) this movie was seriously an L for me i’m not looking forward to marvel if this is how weak Kang is gonna be presented, not excited at all for the upcoming phase. Gotta love how super nerf Kang is (intelligence wise too) Shouts out to Alex I truly appreciate him a lot because I’m honestly just like him after watching this.

Take a drink every time Scott said "My daughter" Also Scott was not in his world at the end of the movie , thats why everything was different

I thought this movie was going to be a loss for the heroes like infinity war where they're beaten but escape alive but maybe lose someone like Hank Pym and this exiled Kang escapes the quantum realm setting up a multi sided struggle for the fate of everything. I actually wouldn't mind seeing a movie that is entirely Kang vs Kang vs Kang etc.

Kang beaten by ants was so silly! MODOK best line: I don't know what to do? Cassie Lang: Don't be a dick!

I really loved the part when Kang said "It's Kangin' Time!"

That VHS bit earned my like, lol

I was hoping by the end of the film, Kang was playing 4d chess and setting up all the pieces so he can escape, or maybe escape and play dead so he can have all the Kangs come to earth and Kang the Conquer pulling all the strings through out every film until Secret Wars.

Yey! Best way to start into a workday.

Something tells me to take a hint from the Heineken 0% alcohol beer commercial Ant Man is in. It sounds like this is a movie "everyone" should like, until they take a drink and realize it's the Non-alcoholic equivalent of a Marvel movie packaged to look just like a better more enjoyable pre Thanos Marvel flick

I knew it was going to be stupid pretty quickly. Why is Cassie the one creating the quantum thing? Getting pretty sick of "the key to everything" children. But.....at least me and the crew I went with got a lot of enjoyment. The enjoyment was laughing at the sheer stupidity. I heard a lot of people in the theater like "wait what", "why's Cassie creating the quantum thing" "even the council of kangs is Goofy ". Da fuck is Disney doing? This movie got love and thundered up.

I don't think Kang is dead, but instead is spending an eternity within the paradox dimension, slowly losing his mind being surrounded by an infinite amount of himself. Never able to escape. But he gets out in Kang Dynasty and goes ape shit, giving us the Kang we deserve.

The way alex is reacting says everything

Bravo to Alex for coining "Dankey Kangs"

@32:49 bro Jet Li in the one was amazing! Had the most badass ending for a villain ever! Def need a sequel 🔥🔥

Wasp got completely sidelined in this movie so hard, Janet’s storyline about her being so infamous was barely touched on, and Hank did virtually nothing except for the ants

Pretty dissapointing, kang is supposed to have already killed all the avengers, in many different timelines, with thor for sure being one of them, and he gets bitched like this by Ant-man and his crew? Really? It’s fine for an Antman like movie, but when you are hyping it up as this “new dynasty” that’s being established, it really fails to deliver anything close. Kang could have literally been replaced with any other mildly smart villain and it would have been exactly the same. 5/10

Haven’t seen it yet but heard the reviews. Gonna watch it myself and see wassup

Feels like DC is on the way up and Marvel on the way down. Thank you Disney.

Yes the conqueror was the most powerful kang but he was cut off from his main power source the time chair for the entire movie. He will be back and get it for kang dynasty

It was a bad call to have Kang as a villain in this movie like this. They should've introduced him in the teaser and played that along towards an avenger movie. But I don't think Marvel intended Kang to be the central villain in the next avengers movie though. They have some other character in mind. The quantum world and Kang are generally very difficult to portray in a live action movie as general audiences won't understand it. In the comics, it makes sense as it is pages in a comic with artwork.

At this point, I am guessing the big boss will be another version of Kang.

Also remember when quantum was basically as small as they could ever go with Pym Particles as established in the movies? Pepperidge farm remembers.

When Kang first came there he explained he was exiled to the quanemtrealm I am sure i remember he said that he was outside of space and time so hes not able to use time and he wasnt in his kang verson yet, just the nathan version. He gets powered up and Janet had a handful of the disks when she tossed them on the mutilverse ball. So Kang doesnt have access to the time. She had told Hank and Hope about this in the ride, but Scott wasnt there he was in jail with his daughter, and kang threatens her i just felt like it was sort of a bluff since he didnt have access to time, but scott didnt know that and just wanted to keep her safe, so he helps him. He used one disk and it doesnt work i think its because Jannet used at least she had a handful. Then Hope helps him with i guess overloading the disks with a ton. When Sylvie killed who remains (the oldest kang) time restarted. And i think its the same with Scotts and it was reset.

Imagine 3 movies from now when Riri Williams snaps her fingers and declares, " I'm Iron Heart", to Kangs face as he turns to ashes. Humanity then owes a great debt to her

These new marvel shows and movies are making me rethink if they were ever good.

I highly doubt that Kang is dead…he got sucked into a portal

Damn. I really really really REALLY had high high HIGH hopes for this film & Kangs official intro to the mcu (aside from loki) but I'm praying they do Kang justice by the end of the saga.

This is more aligned to how I felt. The most badass Kang defeated by family and ants.

Sounds like Kang is gonna have the Ultron problem. Ultron had an infinite number for his army and that made it really boring.

The thousands of Kangs in the post credit scene would have worked better. If the main Kang felt like a huge threat, at least establishing what he can do. Then seeing the thousands of them would have made the audience feel uneasy. As if it took this much effort to take out one. Thousands is going to be an issue

Fully agree with Alex on the “heat death of the universe” analogy. The Avengers are an emergency response team, pure and simple. Kang is not an emergency, he’s a threat. One that lingers and they never beat, and often beats them. It doesn’t play the same way as Thanos, who shows up one day and says, “I’m going to kill half of you…now.” Kang happily let’s everyone proceed along their path, knowing he paved the road they walk on. The way you play Kang is that the heroes always think they win, and then walk out into an unrecognizable world. Loki Season 1’s ending was how you do Kang. Anything else is cartoonish and falls flat. Kang has to be a persistent beat that seemingly never changes, no matter what you do. The hopelessness of facing that needed to be a core of this film.

Saw a clip of the Modok fight and, one, is baffled as why they felt that face design was usable then, two, why they keep having him remove his helmet to show said bad face 🤣 Oh, and Kang ranting about beating the Avengers only to have a small army of ants destroy everything... terrible way to set up the new phase.