Thor: Love and Thunder - Spoilers Discussion! 

This is the kinda movie where you don’t care about spoilers because you know nothing meaningful happened

Thor leaving with the Guardians in Endgame made us so excited for future movies and the future of the MCU as a whole… Him abandoning the Guardians within the first few minutes of the movie just shows that, like with Star Wars, Disney Marvel has no idea where they’re going with Phase 4… I don’t even know what they’re building up to…

Hulk and Loki brought a lot to Ragnarok something Love Thunder was missing big time.

The gold blood is actually accurate to real greek mythology. It’s shocking that they got that part right 😂

I just saw this and left saying, "wtf did I just watch." This movie is all over the place.

The fact they kept dragging out the goat joke throughout the whole movie drove me insane. It was annoying the second time and it just kept going

Eternity seems so trivial. Thor and Jane get there easily using the powers of either Zeus’ bolt, or Valkyrie’s unexplained orange portal travelling, and sensibly Stormbreaker could also be used for this. Why has nobody made it there yet? Did it never occur to anybody in Asgard or anywhere else that they could easily get there and make their wish if they acquired the bifrost. Why didn’t Thanos use it? Why didn’t anybody in Endgame use it to repair all the damage?

Gor's comic book story line was epic and thought provoking. Jane Foster Thor in the comics was pretty deep as well. I don't know how in the world Watiti looked at those sources and saw "silly sitcom romp".

Alex disappointed me today....he must be in a great mood 😂😂😂

One of the main issues I have with the MCU is this whole interpretation of gods. Like, the Asgardian’s in the MCU are seen as gods because that’s a human’s perspective, so who is Gorr specifically targeting? Just random powerful races?

With everything that's going on in the MCU right now, it makes absolutely zero f'ing sense that there is no cure for cancer at this point. lmao

Could've been a cool movie if a director who respected Thor's arc would've made it

Honestly MCU has been pretty lackluster post Endgame. Hope it improves soon.

i just don't get why they went with somebody as menacing and gruesome as Gorr who's main story is pretty mature and decided to throw him into a primarily rom-com movie setting. The tonal shift was just too off key to do the character justice in my opinion. Should've went with Enchantress and somebody like Ulik instead and saved Gorr for an actual action packed movie.

I understand that the MCU wants to diversify their projects and give directors the chance to bring their own style, but there seems to be a loss of connective identity. I'm not saying I want cameo galore in each project, I just want progression. Like if they had post credit scenes setting up the next big bad or a big event like Secret War, then things might feel more impactful.

The theme of the movie is "we had fun with uncle taika"

I'm actually surprised that Bale wanted to do this. Taika seems to be a very loosey goosey, Mr fun guy, making movies is a party kind of director. Which is fine. But Bale strikes me as the complete opposite. Serious, ultra professional, no nonsense type of actor. Interested in the rumors, leaks and anonymous opinions about the films production that'll come out eventually.

"People are always like 'why don't you let them talk?'" No Joe, people are always like "why do you interrupt them so much?" There's a difference. We like hearing what you have to say. It's your show, you don't need to give away thoughts you'd have to others. All I think we're asking for is to have the respect for your team members to let them finish what they say instead of interject every time you have a thought. Sometimes you do manage to hold back, and we DO see it and appreciate that. It's just a matter of building the habit.

I also totally agree about how the battle with gorr was severely underwhelming. In the comic books Thor the god butcher story line. One of the battles they have is present day Thor,past,Thor from the present and Thor from the future old king Thor. And they all fight gorr and lose . At one point you have present day Thor. Wielding to mealnears and the all black and its still not enough to fully kill gorr. So yes the fights definitely should have been better.

God I’ve been so disappointed in phase 4. Everything has been so….mid

Would have liked to see more Sif. I can't understand how much she was pushed aside since Ragnarok...

The end credit scene made me question what Thor had told Sif about Valhalla. Thor said that somebody has to die DURING the battle. But, the battle at the end was already over when Jane passed. So… are they just going to say Thor was wrong about that?

Hey so …. Where’s the review of the last Boys episode

3:59 had me dead lol other joe was caught off guard and the way he says “trynna include ya joe” makes me laugh

When the kids starting fighting I just died of laughter knowing the bad ending they were heading down

There are a lot of things that I would have done differently in this movie but one of the biggest things is I wouldn’t have done the fake out with killing Korg. I just would have actually done it. Korg was great in Ragnarok because of the contrast between his goofy nature and the depressing Sakaar. Same situation in Endgame but instead he is contrasting with and highlighting how depressed Thor is and how Thanos has affected him. He isn’t overused in either movie. In fact he’s used just a little less than the audience wants which is why he is a fan favourite character. But in this movie he is overused. He also doesn’t really have much of a purpose outside of comic relief. Which wouldn’t be so bad except that across the board the jokes just aren’t as funny in this movie. So killing him when it seemed like they did would have been a pretty big gut punch and would have given Thor the opportunity for a little more character development and to maybe see things from Gorr’s perspective: Because Thor is a god that travels and adventures with mortals. The line between friendship and god worship from these mortals can be pretty blurry at times so having what is essentially one of his worshipers die under Thor’s watch could allow him to question if the Gods may in fact be the bad guys.

MCU: There's a villain, heroes need to get a thing, fight villain with thing. That's every movie now.

Anyone else feel after endgame there really isn’t a sense of direction? I felt like our real mcu journey ended with endgame and they didn’t plan out what chapter 2 would be about. No one thought the infinity saga would be awesome, ehh at times and amazing. But they can’t recreate the cast and story they did

How to eff up a good story: Gorr: the gods have forsaken me, so I will kill all of them with this cool sword (Kratos, God of War) - awesome! The God Killer does next-to-no god-killing, including just maiming Sif Put a hat on the hat, he’s too sympathetic: kidnaps kids for… reasons Put a hat on a hat on a hat: actually, he just wants to kidnap Thor’s axe to reach the deus ex machina and be Thanos-like What a great movie!

I saw it yesterday afternoon and my feelings about it are exactly what y'all said in the non-spoiler section: "It's better than The Dark World but not as good as Ragnarök." I went it with the impression that the tone would be too light hearted like in Ragnarök. (i.e. the scene where all the Asgardians watch their home get destroyed and Korg just crack a little joke)

6/10 for me I wish that gorr’s final wish was for there to be an eternal reward for all mortals. That would have been profound and created a self contained story where Jane can die in peace. And when Jane said, “she won’t be alone” I was assuming that she would be in that very afterlife… I was too naive

By the sounds of it they didn't do any justice to Gorr's character. For instance it wasn't simply his child dying that led him to this crusade against the gods it was how inhospitable his home world was, his mother, mate and children all died because of it and the gods refusal to help his people that were so devout to them. Gorr is supposed to be so powerful that it takes 3 versions of Thor from different time periods including King Thor, with the Odinforce (one of the most powerful forces in the universe), to beat him and only because of a MacGuffin/deus ex machina.

Christian Bale was damn amazing. I wanted more scenes with Gorr. Also, I thought he would wish for her cancer to be gone because he saw Thor was about to go through what he did and he wanted be with his daughter again in the afterlife.

The kid army scene genuinely was a eye roll moment

isn't it crazy to think we went from Iron Man 1 to this? lol I really enjoyed this movie but I definitely agree with your critiques

I think the post credit’s scene pretty much confirms that Thor is going to be killed off soon in a future movie because all his loss loved ones are there waiting for him.

If MCU is losimg people like Angry Joe who are the exact audience for these type of movies,then thats a very bad sign.

How does Thor's old hammer give Jane power? Remember when Odin asked Thor "Are you Thor God of Hammers?" it was his power not the hammer.

When Gorr first got the sword it gave him visions of Eternity, the wish, and needing the Bifrost. Though it does seem like him going to Asgard and seeing Thor use the Bifrost was a complete coincidence.

Gotta be honest, i'm not interested in seeing daddy Thor bringing up a young kid. I hope they time skip until she's a teenager at least, because I think they could do a lot with the humour there. Hopefully not as overdone as this movie.

My favorite depiction of mythology in shows is Samurai Jack. Especially the first episodes on how Aku was created and how Samurai Jack came to be.

Laughed so hard at the random Asgardian saying: “Half of our soldiers are always dead!”

The Thor kindergarten scene is probably the stupidest thing I've seen in the MCU so far.

We needed more of the villain and him killing more gods.

I was so disappointed with how Zeus was portrayed in this movie. After those scenes this movie really stopped being funny. The after the credit scene did a little to rectify, but I really hope the next Thor has a serious tone.

2 pizzas? AJ is the movie theater nemesis of Mike Stoklasa 😂

A good snarky line that would have been good when he gave the kids the powers of Thor would have been, "Let's not tell your parents about this"

Thor did more God Butchering than Gorr

Having watched my girlfriend go through cancer and chemo that part of the story hit me really hard and was trying not to cry in the theater during those moments.

Honestly the only criticism I have is that I want more of the less stuff we got. I wanted more Gorr, reason Gorr is iconic because of his motives and methods. We saw the motives we needed to see the method like I wanted him to slaughter everyone in the omnipotence. I wanted more Jane and Thor it honestly felt weak but it was strong on the end. What I wanted less of is the gags mainly the goats and the weapon acting like the cape. I seen this before it was fine for 2 times but not more. I honestly feel the same way as Doctor Strange MOM, and before you attack me about it. Both faced the same problem which is a tonal difference. MOM is introduced as a horror but there was no horror also there suppose to be multiverse but no multiverse. Love and thunder introduces Gorr the God Butcher and any person that has the word "The" after the name is serious: Jack The Ripper, The Zodiac Killer, The Grabber. So you have this serious character that is doing messed up things but the entire movie is comedic. What they did right was the characters of what we seen Christian Bale did amazing, loved the Jane conflict especially that mirror scene where it's just quiet, changing to monochrome was amazing, action was good no shaky cam. Gorr's look I agree with it, reason why he doesn't look like the comic version is for the audience to relate because guarantee if it look like squidward no one will care. The movie didn't feel long that's what was good but I do feel they should have another 30 to 45 minutes for gorr and the dynamic my rating will go up. I honestly think...they used the best jokes in the trailer that's just me. Overall 7 out of 10.

You guys post a video and I’m here lol! Love these guys

In the original Story, Asgard does have the Tech/Magic to cure cancer and Thor offers it to Jane but she Refuses. Why? Something stupid about wanting to live and die as a Human.

As for Thor not being able to summon back Stormbreaker, I’d like to imagine there’s a cut scene where he tries, but between Gor’s strength and Stormbreaker being mad at Thor, it fails to answer the summoning.

Oddly enough, I did not know the plot going in. I only saw the first trailer. So when I saw this last night, I didn't know anything. I was a little confused at the start, but then I got it, and I was on board when Gorr killed the first god at the start. Edit: Changed Gorg from Gorr.

Christian Bale in Thor Love and Thunder is to Raul Julia to Street Fighter; their kids are fan of the respective franchise and did it to appease them. MCU is becoming CW arrowverse but ultra expensive. As I’ve mentioned before, there are EPIC source materials; Godbutcher and Godbomb but they blew it.

A movie made by a 7 year old director for 5 year olds. All the kids in my audience laughed at all the dumb kid jokes and none of the adults laughed at any of the adult oriented jokes. That’s all you need to know about this film.

One aspect from the comics I really couldn't get passed was the cancer issue with Jane. You're right that the movies might not have a way to cure it, but in the comics they definitely do. Her reason for not seeking those out? She just doesn't want to. She is sick of magic and gods and aliens, and just wants to beat it using good 'ol human science and medicine (not Fantastic Four science though; that doesn't count). And at the same time she runs around using Thor's hammer to transform into a literal goddess to go fight dark elves and frost giants. Right...

After watching it the movie felt cheesy. It was trying way too hard to be funny. They should have went with gorr's comic book design, and given him more screentime. Zeus was a joke and taking out too easily. Missed opportunity to introduce knull into the MCU. There's other things I could say, but overall movie was disappointing for me.

There is a lot of parallels to the Dr strange 2 writing here like God butcher is kindof the same as Wanda if you think about it The Child, instead of the evil book manipulating wanda it's the dark sword, and conveniently there is a place where you get any wish and like conveniently there is a book of bishanty or whatever (the good book) the formula is the freaking same, there is a pattern emerging...

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I feel like the problem with the film is, oddly, Thor himself. Partly because of the tonal issues, where it veers from drama to comedy so quickly it can sometimes give you whiplash, and most of that comedy is through Thor. But also because the thing that works best about the film is the dynamic between Gorr and Jane: a formerly devout mortal who became a god killer out of a sense of betrayal from his god, and a mortal woman of science who becomes a defender of gods, even though she knows it will kill her. That is a hell of a story. But it doesn't get enough time, because we need to have the love triangle of Thor and his two hammers. As much as I hate to say it, the thing holding back Thor Love and Thunder is Thor.

It was a 7/10 for me. It's a fun enjoyable movie but I agree it leaned too heavily on comedy. The child army was really cringey too. I really hope there's an extended edition released somewhere with more of Christian Bale.

Thanks for including joe joe

The team seems very relaxed on this review, and from what I'm reading, there's plenty of problems or criticism. I would have expected more yelling and screaming from such a colorful, and silly project

The reason I saw mjolnir calling to Jane, cos he told mjolnir to protect her, so it could sense she was going to die, so the only way it could protect her was to make sure she would go to Valhalla

I’m a bit sad that Taika Waiti got a Star Wars project. We can expect it to be a dumb 2h comedy skit which we really don’t need in Star Wars as we are currently lacking normal enjoyable new movies.

33:46 angry joe end credit scene

at 9:10 joe mistake: it was told at the 2nd act when gore was being chosen by the blade that he will get the power to kill gods but was also shown visions of eternity and all the things he will need for it to be opened and for him to grant the wish

The Gods are immature and conceited like when Thor acted in the first one. Showed how he grew with humanity

It was the power of Zeus’s lightning, their powers were yellow not blue (thor lightning)

So thor can give others his power and has to specify that it's temporary? And when Jane uses the hammer she get Thor's power but will die without it? But dude bro Thor can't just bestow his power on to her permanently ??? Ok

Saw where somebody said Gorrs daughter became Singularity when Eternity made her.

Yami Bakura should have appeared in the shadow realm.

Yes! Thank you for letting the other two guys talk more, Joe.

You guys were very kind to this movie. You’ve ripped into obi-won I was expecting the same level of criticism for this movie. This movie was not great and they wasted two very big characters in Gorr and Mighty Thor

I didn't like how they made a point twice to feed Jane junk food. That's like one of the worst things you can give to someone with cancer, and I think a space viking would have known that. there's other things I would say too, like he would have known about frequency and energy for dealing with that. whole other area.

Maybe you should score movies after talking about them, sometimes you could tell Joe regret the final vedict as he speaks more about them

This is flat out a bad movie, even if don't know the comics, everything just happens there no logic to anything, they break pre established rule, plot macguffins all the time and if this wasn't enough it had a tone of exposition scenes.

We saw gorr recieve visions of killing all the gods by reaching eternity when he got the necrosword, before killing the first god. It was explained.

Were they shadow creatures ? Or were they symbiotes? The entire time I thought they were symbiotes (or the living abyss) under the control of the necro sword through Gorr. I was a bit confused about the shadows but I just figured they were visually playing into the whole endless void theme Knull goes for, I guess it doesn’t make much sense that a bunch of symbiotes would come out of shadows😂 but even the sword infecting him looked like it was the all black symbiote bonding to him

Wanda said their was a cure in every universe.

This felt like a movie that didnt care about its stakes, or its story. It was happy to just go "HAHAHHAHA" at every situation. Movie got old 10minutes in....

Between Thor Love and Thunder and MoonKnight, I havent heard many people mention that the Gods are upset and the people arent so faithful to them is because of Kang and his timetravel. I think we will see more of this as Kang and his variants come to light.

Joe you missed the montage of the sword tempting gorr with the idea of doing to eternity while he's being strangled

I wish Disney/MCU would just let loose like they did with Logan. I’m not saying it has to be gruesome but this comedy aspect in a lot of the movies kill the vibe.

15:35 - 15:48 is the perfect description for this movie.

Yea with the kid scene at the end they’re saying Thor needs an army to fight Gorr. what about when Thor didn’t need an army in Ragnarok and Infinity War where he single-handedly wiped out both of those alien armies

I think when Eddie Brock got cancer he got a symbiote to help combat it, that's why Anti-Venom is white because of white blood cells or something.

I think Ragnarok was a fluke by Waititi. He seems like a one-trick pony hack to be honest. The movie was OK, a lot of things to point out though. Definitely didn't go the direction I was expecting it to.

I really love more this format when theres less screaming and more interaction. Good work guys ...really apreciate your videos and the effort you put in them.

Mjolnir also kills the radiation in Jane's chemo treatments, meaning depowering makes her cancer come back more powerfully and also the hammer fights the cancer but only short-term.

Love this review and I’m super happy I went to into this movie with low expectations, because it was able meet and surpass it! Fun is the word be thrown around! I agree with that and it is fun overall. With the obvious problems keeping it from being above a 7 out of town.

*SPOILERS* Why were the GotG even in the movie? I almost forgot they were in the movie afterwards. And yeah, I know it's Thor's movie, but why are the Guardians (two times Galaxy savers) so useless? Seemed like a waste of time like the Illuminati. The gods were so silly/obnoxious it kinda weakened the tension cause you're not that too concerned if Gorr wins. Surprised how they glossed over Jane's origin as Mighty Thor. Don't know if it's a problem with the movie or I've got MCU fatigue but there was no classic MCU moment where you're screaming in your head (or out loud) "YESSSSSS!!!!" and you get chills. Biggest flaw IMO was since they did no development of the girl, the ending didn't have the impact they were probably hoping for.

The MCU really shouldn't be taking too much from the comic books. Comic storylines are full of random editorial decisions, they are meant to have a storyline extend indefinitely, and they are notorious for losing direction. The MCU used to be good because every movie moved you a little towards the final big fight.

@5:12 its not that Stoem breaker doesnt want to work with him, its hard to focus it, that why they get the ship and them use it as an engine, that the reason he slams back because he is inaccurate not because SB doesnt want to work with him.

How could Disney not capitalize on the look of their Hercules?

Just curious because I'm not sure if I missed something. Hela destroyed Mjolnir, right? So how is Jane using it at all? How is it calling out to her?

I love how they break down every little thing in Stranger Things, but here with this joke of a movie gave a pass for everything, even with another villain after Wanda being corrupt but ancient weapon/book, and that's fine...

Gorr was the only bright spot of that movie. Smfh Literally has the entire cast of guardians at their disposal, and they decide to use children.

It bothered me that Stormbreaker, which had shown so much ability to disobey Thor just did what Gorr wanted.