Are We Shutting Down Keystone?! (M&T not to spec...) S8E16 

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And its origins too . . . that would have helped stop a lot of global troubles.

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Oooooo yesssss, Lich King set with Ebony and Skull white

That sounds like a Halloween kickstarter.

eh, i feel like the monster vaults would more cater to DM's, and there are less of those than players. what about just one premium wood "Dungeon Master" vault, maybe with multiple stripes of the second wood?

I need a Goblin wood set for my PF2 alchemist.

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@@lokithecat7225 ID10T error

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The worst feeling.

Gotta watch Cecia etc load and feed the machine and see if there is a step not done or done wrong

It's definitely something you can and should discuss with them...but Doug also has a point that your schedule is going to keep going and you can't wait for them to fix it even if they SHOULD be responsible for it.

Because it doesn't help them? They don't want a refund they don't want a new machine they want it to work now. The company making it will do everything in its power not to refund but they don't actually want to solve the problem.

2:13 Jason: "The only explanation, Cesea did a bad job loading" Cesea isn't a Machine, and "the company" can't fix her.

@@lokithecat7225 it was literally one of 2 explanations he gave. He also said the machine could be slipping

@@swiftdragonrider First, Jason is the one that said "only explanation" don't blame me... But, given the 2 possibilities, and Jason "Works fine when I do it", what do you want to bet on?

Will the M&T machine get fixed? Will Dale accept the job offer to come work at Wyrmwood?! Find out on the next episode of Dragon. Ball. *Z!*

Don't you tempt them into doing the dumb dice thing again.

*Top Gear intro music* Tonight: Ian gives decent advice. Jason is in way over his head on a machine that he shouldn't even be responsible for. And Doug is thankful again that he stepped down as CEO.

I feel they should add that to the video or the classic DBZ ending.

Immediately what I thought. They can't put breakpoints in as far as I know, though. XD

Welcome to the trades lol

That's just a matter of who's got more time/more cash/better lawyers. And Wyrmwood needs exactly one of those - Frank. As the gamers say, EZ WIN!

This comes down to having written the contract with delivery and functionality clauses.

"long may he reign" That phrase has never ended well

This is Jason's burner account

The biggest question here is why didn't the inhouse personnel that have designed and developed specialty machinery have a shot at this?? Most companies don't vet the people they have, so this is what they get :)

Absolutely. Frank will sort the problem out, quick-smart!

They should have called Frank already a week ago. Every day that machine doesn't run as it should they are loosing money

@@andrek.9418 its the exact same problem they had with the CNC only difference being they had a custom machine built

nuclear option? Hell yeah!

Supposing taking a legal route proves successful (far from a given), it's still likely to take far too long to matter if the manufacturer digs their heels in.

If you've seen any Wyrmlife, the reasonable deduction is Wyrmlife screwed it up somehow. Lack of maintenance, Misuse, Driving forklifts into it...

That's what lawsuits are for....

Where’s Frank? Maybe we’ll get him in the next episode….

@@Farstr1d3r I kind of wondered that, when they were talking about how they screwed up the "Contract" at the end of the video... Did you not have your Lawyer look at it before Singing, or is this just outside of what Frank would be expected to catch...

@@lokithecat7225 while I did laugh, and this may be true for other equipment. This particular machine was installed *seemingly* incorrectly by the technician. Albeit, because Wyrmwood kinda rushed them, but that doesn't really matter. Their job was to set it up, and they didn't. Obviously I've only seen the video so who knows what actually happened that day! But still seems to me like the company should be liable to fix it.

Jason: "Works fine when I do it" Also Jason: "Well I took it up apart and did more damage to it" Side note, when planning to sue for a faulty machine, don't publish video showing you breaking it, attempting to fix it, misusing it, or claiming that it works.

@Loki the Cat if you have documented evidence of it being broken beforehand and the company did not work with you to remedy the issue it may or may not matter to the claim. As I said, Frank should be involved.

@@lokithecat7225 I'm starting to think you work for the company who makes this machine? All of your comments seem to be placing the blame on Wyrmwood... but when you pay this much money for a machine like this.. you should get more support. They should be onsite getting that thing working. No excuses.

My concern is whether they'd argue that Jason's attempts to fix it voided the warranty or something.

@@ShaolinTechnoMage Look at this video, for an example of how things work (not should work) in American Law. They talk about the Compression Tanks at the end. "Why doesn't the company maintain it?" "If you don't hash that out in your contracts... " So, now we have a Machine not working, and all the Wyrmlings think that the People that sold them the machine have further obligations, because "Whaaaaa". I'd bet that the only reasons the Machine Company would be back to "Make it Right" would be A) They'll charge you to have someone come and fix it. B) Publicity. Either they look good "Making it Right" or don't want to "Look bad for a busted Machine". And these will be on "Their time" which doesn't help Wyrmwood at all. If you think the Company is responsible (They probably aren't) then go blow up their Twitter or FB or something, whining here won't get anything done.

yea, I was thinking about that when it came up too. Maybe they can make some arguments based on what's not working vs what was tampered with, but warranty tends to be product as a whole in my experience. You modify anything and the whole product basically falls out of it. I'm hopeful that they can come up with a solution to get things moving, but the video evidence is going to probably complicate things if it is seen by the wrong people (and I don't even have a product I waiting for on the line. I can't afford their stuff, but I do really enjoy watching these videos, learning about the process and just seeing the general family feel of the place)

The uneven welding in later episodes is going to help though

It should be on the machine company....but that company isnt on a timetable like WW is. They need it up and running NOW to avoid furloughing employees and to meet deadlines. The other company can take who knows how long to get a tech out. The fact that the error isnt repeatable is also a HUGE deal...because the tech could show up, run it, see it works fine, and leave. Unless they can identify a problem with the machine and not user error the machine company is under no obligation to fix anything because they can say its not broken.

@@lordmordor4805 The problem is that the machine doesnt do what they payed the company for it to do. Since its the USA, they can probably sue for lost revenue if the company does not fix it.

Machine Company: We've got you up and running, despite the delays of you not having Engineers here to get power. Wyrmlife: Great. Wyrmlife: After a bunch of time working fine, it mysteriously isn't working perfectly. Jason: Durp I'll replace some parts despite having no clue whats going on. Ooops, now this other part is all misaligned. Wyrmlings: Dis is all da Machine Company fault! Baddy Machine Company, Sue Sue Sue.

@@lordmordor4805 I understand that there are timetables and Wyrmwood should be pursuing some solution in the meantime. That doesn't change that the manufacturer has seemingly come back with 0 solutions in over a month. And from what it seemed like in the episode where the tech was there, he didn't even verify that it met spec. He just stayed long enough to make sure it turned on and cycled, then hopped on a flight and left. Then they immediately had problems with out of spec parts when they tried to run it. Seems like they pretty clearly didn't do there job. I mean the first problem was that parts of the machine were not square...

2:13 Jason: "The only explanation, Cesea did a bad job loading" Do people really not pay attention to the videos?

You're right in the abstract but in practice over promising, under delivering, and staring blankly back at you afterward is all par for the course in B2B dealings. Quality and service are valuable because they are rare.

all depends on what was stipulated in the contract. Read your contract kids.

I might be the only one to say this, but, hey bud, appreciate you pointing that out 😎

Gonna make a guess that from Dale's perspective he probably is earning more from them right now as a short term contractor... BUT on the other hand a set long term offer will be attractive because it is stable, & he won't have to be waiting & hoping on the next gig to be there. Also benefits... contractors usually get the shorter end of the stick there. Process engineering sounds like a very 1-time investment for a firm, so fulltime employment offers may be fairly rare on the ground as well, making them more attractive. NB: I know zip about manufacturing, but I do know project work, and the realities inherent with any contract work. You always earn more as an indie simply because you are also shouldering more risk, whereas full-timers earn less but also worry less.

@@kgoblin5084 They wanted to pay 80 to 85K for someone with 10 years of exp in cnc operations, design, and management. 100k for the "perfect candidate." Dale should ask for equity for how much he will be responsible for. The ideal candidate is basically someone who has every skill involved with running a modern computerized factory, but also for some reason isn’t running their own factory or getting paid like 250k at a big Corp.

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I think they were saying that if they cant get the machine up and running that people would need to be laid off, and Im assuming Keystone isnt the prime importance right now (but the production of the tables)?

"PA" Referes to Pennsylvania. Which is Keystone

By continuing MGT after the kickstarter, doing the gamer chairs by Crazy Ed, moving some processes to PA, coming up with new furniture designs....

I would like to know as well.

He is the SCEO. The Secret chief executive officer. Actually, he is part of the board of directors.

It's founder privileges, RT had the same thing happen to Burnie burns

No I'm not seeing that because we're not seeing everything that is happening there. Doug is mgt lead so he's in segments for mgt with problems for mgt, but who's making the decisions? Jason. And lets be fair Doug was always in more segments than Jason and in an earlier episode Jason openly admits that most of what he's doing is paperwork and not that interesting.

he's in charge of the MGT's which is most of their production at the moment. but I think he also likes to go into seeing how other machines work. He's not doing most of the other backwork it seems, that jason is mostly responsible for.

@@NuGundamRocks Yeah Doug's decision making has been pretty confined to the MGT which is his responsibility. To me the whole classic adventuring party scene was Doug critiquing and giving advice, as he should with his experience. It's not like he was telling them they had to do x,y, and z. Jason is the one making company-wide decisions and taking on the risk. At the end of the day only one person will have to make the decision to furlough 40+ employees if the M&T machine doesn't get up and running, and it's pretty clear who that is.

In the beginning, there was a word. And the word was first

I think that was a different piece of equipment, I remember what you were talking about and it was much smaller as I recall. Also - I don't think a 2 man operation would have conducted a training session like we saw on camera when setting up the M&T

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@@siphil0 Bobby looks so young; Nate too, and I haven’t seen him since the Gold Peak bit