This girl saying "we're losing all the lesbians" after Elliot coming out as trans has the same vibe as middle aged women saying "oh, what a waste" when a male celebrity comes out as gay, smh 🙄
@@ehsh3072 Well a number of sports personalities came out as gay after a few years into their careers. The phrase "what a waste" is quite prevalent and it's something I've heard a lot from women who find gay celebrities attractive and believe that because they're gay that somehow women are missing out, which is ridiculous. But, I don't really understand what you mean by all actors being gay once they've entered Hollywood, what does that mean?
Umm no, with that comparison you're equating a privileged overrepresented group - straight male celebrities - with lesbians, a discriminated minority with only a small representation. And TERFs like Arielle are waiting for that to use it as an ammunition in their propaganda. Because they're exploiting fears coming from actual issues - like misogyny from men and lesbophobia - but twist it to make it look like in the end it's trans people to blame for everything. There's very few out non-retired lesbian actresses in Hollywood, MUCH less than gay men or bisexual women, which makes them very precious role models for the community. And let's be honest, it's certain that many lesbians did feel disappointed for that reason with Page's coming out, since they lost a considerable part of their representation in Hollywood. But the reason of that disappointment is lesbophobia of the studios that prevents actresses from coming out, while people like Arielle try to turn that negative feeling against trans people, another discriminated minority with little representation.
i don't understand why she is SO OBSESSED WITH LESBIANS. in 2015 before i was even out as trans, i was at an event and she made a comment about how "lesbian" i looked. i calmly said that the term "lesbian" made me feel uncomfortable and i just identified as "gay"(since she said it in front of a lot of people). She literally laughed in my face and said "no you are a lesbian" then followed me around for the rest of the night, making more and more comments about how something i was either doing or saying was "very lesbian". And just wouldn't let it go?? Everyone I opened up to about it at the event told me how she's transphobic so that probably had something to do with it. 5 years later and literally nothing 👏has👏changed👏
Jesus. The lesbians have disowned her now. If she says she is apart of the lesbians community she is not. She is apart of the TERF community and can shove her terrible opinions up her ass.
Hey Noah. I’m a 64 year old guy, and I simply love the way you express your views so logically and well. Listening to you (and Corry) has been a huge eye opener and I’m totally supportive of your journey and also seeing how unpleasant most of your critics are. They are unable to be logical. Thank you for your ability to help.
As someone who's hung around conservative circles, the fact that those newspapers didn't deadname Page doesn't really surprise me. A lot of right wing people (especially the young ones, like journalists) don't give a fuck about LGBT people. And I mean literally. They're like "you can exist but we're not fighting for your rights". Comparing that to Arielle, it just shows how low she goes.
I've seen so many news outlets doing really well but somehow the largest news outlet of the Netherlands deadnamed him and tried to justify it by saying that people wouldn't know who they meant -.-
I swear, as a lesbian myself, that she is personally bringing our average intelligence down by at least 30%. I cannot describe how infuriating it is to just have to sit and watch her bring down the mental health and happiness in our friendly community, by displaying all kinds of phobia and obsession, and then still expect to be welcomed in by the rest of the LGBTQIA+. Anybody reading this, please have a good day and don’t let her stupidity change your opinion of anybody else.
I was told by a teacher "you shouldn't care about these kinds of issues cause you're not gay nor trans. And if you are, the door is right there" Please keep in mind that this teacher knew my pronouns (they/them) and the fact he said that to ME... (I actually did walk out of the room)
I feel so bad for elliot cuz he's struggling enough already like being trans is clearly hard enough without having people getting annoyed at you cuz they've ''lost another lesbian icon'' like leave him ALONE
I wish people would just mind their own business. I am very glad that Elliot is now living his truth. I just wish people would literally stop saying "Oh, we lost another lesbian." Smh. It's so disrespectful.
Exactly it’s fucking ridiculous. As Noah said they didn’t fucking own him. He wasn’t a possession, he was a person. He is a person. It’s his right to be able to come out, to be able to have the world except him not have fucking idiots on the Internet bitch about how they’re losing an icon. I mean you don’t see us pansexuals whining about how if somebody comes out as pan to begin with and then they realize that they are actually lesbian or something else like that. It’s just stupid. It doesn’t affect her or anybody else in the lesbian community so it’s pathetic that she’s acting as if it does.
i can understand being upset at losing seeing yourself in a public person. that’s why elliot coming out inspired other trans folks to come out, because they could see themselves. what i don’t understand is making it publically known. that you’re grieving someone else’s coming out is your own issue and you need to process that on your own. also that they don’t realize how fucking weird it is to spend more than five minutes processing something that has literally nothing to do with you.
Also quite a bit of (social) detransitioners who DO talk about detransitioning long term... they typically end up identifying as nonbinary or other genderqueer identities, rather than JUST binary trans people. :/
My mom said I was just a confused tomboy and I was like "If you'd call me Tom, I'd take any name at this point" she did not laugh 😅 But, there's a difference in wanting a willy and wanting to dress boyish. I used to wear a ton of bras and a shirt under my shirts to act as a diy binder, couldn't breathe at all and it was hard to take them all off, If I could get an actual binder and used it responsibly (taking breaks, coughing, etc.) It would be better on me, it still hurts to breathe heavily. God I regret that 🏳️⚧️❤
some transmen dont even want willys because body parts arent gendered. I know transmen that kept their breasts and happily show them with bras and what nott cuz breasts arent a woman thing
people like Arielle are the minstrel voices that make the majority feel like it's ok to continue to deny people simple things like proper binding, built by trans people for trans people.
@@alex-qd6of of course, thats not the point, its just that she is feeding into the idea that a lot of lesbians are transphobic especially since she is seen as a "lesbian icon" by some. which of course anyone in their right mind knows lesbians arent like that and she is part of a (very) loud minority of lesbians, but you have to think about the general population.
One thing doesn't exclude the other. Btw this video is full of illogical things, like talking about consent given by kids?? This guy literally doesn't know that kids' consent doesn't matter. By his logic, a 60 years old man could get physical with a 6 years old kid, if she gave consent. So out of touch with reality
I've known people who are transphobic but not homophobic; but I've never known a homophobe that's not a transphobe. Edit: I'm not saying homophobes don't exist, I'm saying that usually people who are homophobic tend to also be transphobic at the same time, it's very rare for a homophobe not to be transphobic at the same time.
It's a bit rarer, but I have seen homophobic trans men before. It's could be an expression of internalised transphobia as well though, their idea that being a man who's into men is feminine and therefore you can't possibly be "a real man" and a tray.
Weirdly enough my dad is extremely supportive towards trans people (though he believes there are only two genders) but is extraordinary homophobic (but thankfully he believes that disrespecting and/or hating on people is a sin therefore he respects lgbtq members but doesn't approve it and strongly believes it to be wrong). But if i ever come out he will literally kill me. lol.
I am a trans gay man. I used to think I was a lesbian, then I thought I was non-binary, then I thought I was pansexual, then I thought I was a straight guy, now I am proud to say that I am a trans gay man. 🎉
I’m a trans woman who came out as a lesbian - we’re literally right here and there’s loads of us. I would wager that for every queer woman coming out as a man, there’s a queer man coming out as a woman and a lesbian. You’re not losing any lesbians, you’re at a net parity of lesbians. The only problem is that these are people who don’t accept trans women as BEING truly “lesbian”, because she’s a terf. The only way in which you’re “losing lesbians” is the way in which you ostracise and kick lesbians out of the community by being a terf.
oh my gosh, I am going to use "net parity of lesbians" to piss off TERFs from now on. most of them are Marxists (Bakunin or bust please) and replace class with binary gender, talking to them in materialistic terms is all they understand.
I have a friend whose mom still doesn't call him by his name or talks to him in any friendly manner. It's been like 8 years or more since he started transitioning, I honestly can't even remember anymore because it's been so long yet his mom still acts like he somehow killed her daughter. Fuck parents like that and I told her as much to her fucking face, you all deserve better than this.
Hi Noah! Just wanna say I am 100% supportive of trans people and I absolutely love your content. I am a detransitioner, ftmtf, that transitioned partially due to internalized misogyny. It was also due to an abusive childhood/mental illness that lead me to struggle with dysphoria which I have overcome since escaping my home life. If you have any questions about the internalized misogyny side of my previous transition please feel free to ask! :)
Preach! They aren't becoming anything, because that's what they always were. They just discovered who they are. Hugs (edit: or just positive vibes to those who are touch repulsive!) to all my enby pals out there :)
THOUGHTS?! ALSO LMAO I REALISED IN THE BATH THAT WHEN ARIELLE SAID THAT 90% OF TRANS PPL ARE AFABS THAT I THEN SAID “DOES SHE REALLY THINK 30% ARE BORN MALE?” WHICH ADDS UP TO 120% I’M SORRY I FILMED THE VIDEO AT LIKE 2AM
@@khicks4422 It's such a dumb "statement" with that video I thought "am I not a lesbian because I don't live in the USA ( I live in Colombia)? her logic is just unbelievable
OMG, she triggered me sooooo bad! I was in year 10 when the AIDS Epidemic was going on in the late 1980s, and as gay men were dropping dead from AIDS...lesbians, bisexuals, and trans people stepped up and had our backs. So I’ve always felt very strongly that we’re ALL one community. So when I heard that she claimed Elliot was a loss to the lesbian community, it pissed me off ‘cause Elliot is still in OUR community!!! Sorry, I’m a cis-gay man and I hate when people try and divide OUR community ‘cause of all the people in the world, we’re supposed to have empathy for each other. Anyway, Noah, love your videos and you continue to show me what a good man you are at your core. Lotsa love and aloha from Honolulu! 😁❤️🤙🏽🌈☀️ (just symbols of Hawai’i)
I've only met ONE de-transitioner and that person was forced into taking hrt against their will by a chaser partner. They put up with it for about a year then escaped. Her story was heartbreaking. Me, on the other hand, I'm happy to see my changes on hrt and constantly play with my beard. 1 year in 31 days!
As a lesbian, we DO NOT CLAIM HER (I assume she’s a lesbian based on the way she talks about “losing lesbian” if she’s not please lemme know). And most Lesbians do not think this way, and we love all of our fellow trans lesbian, and all trans people! So happy for all of you who have been able to come out and transition!! Anyway, the whole point of this comment was to let all Of the lovely transgender people that you are loved and people like this are not worth your time ❤️❤️
Do you know that feeling when you're sitting in a math class and you are trying really hard to decipher what the teacher is saying but your brain is just not capable of processing the information? That is Arielle. Arielle is math.
I accidentally deadnamed a trans person once.. and before you come for me like “youre transphobic!!”, I’m trans- So basically, I didn’t know he was trans, so I called him by what everyone’s been calling him for the past eleven years, and he threatened to kill me. 😃👍
The thing is that Elliot Page is 33, has a very stable acting career, and has been out as a lesbian with an overwhelming amount of support for like 6 years. What would his motivation be to "decide" to come out as trans other than actually being trans? In my opinion there was a lot of risk in coming out as trans. I just don't get why he would do it if he didn't have to for his own mental well-being.
@@Envision_ Because the patriarchy is so much better for a trans guy... Well better than it is for trans women, but still bad I don't think Elliot will have it easier as the man he is than as the lesbian he thought he was. But I am happy he is finally able to be himself.
I used to think I was bi, then a lesbian, then a nonbinary lesbian, then nonbinary and pansexual, then nonbinary and aroace, and now I'm ftm asexual and aro-spec. We can try out labels until we find the right one. For some people, there is no right one! Not everybody gets it first try.
Saying we lost another lesbian when someone comes out as trans would be the equivalent of straight people saying we lost another straight when someone comes out as lgbt
@@joannas8359 at least it backs up our arguments even more😂 I love arguing with people who have opposing views to me because they just make it so easy to poke holes in their arguments.
@@oliviagrace3530 I'm gonna be honest, that didnt make much sense, but if you're saying I didnt come out as trans to be accepted than youd be right, I came out because I wanted to finally live as myself and be happy, coming out isnt about what other people think, it's about wanting to be able to live as yourself openly.
@@oliviagrace3530 Again, you make no sense in what you are saying, I came out as trans to live as myself, not because of some internal misogyny or repressed sexuality, I am a boy, i always have been, I like boys as well, that's all I said. I dont get what you mean by anything?
I honestly love all of your trans videos, I came out to my parents about 3 months ago as transmasc and they act like nothing happened. Im very sad cuz my mom thinks I’m confused and that I’ll Detransition she said other transphobic things to me and now she won’t even let me have a therapist, she ignores me whenever I asked her about it and the only thing she says is to believe in god, not to worry about those unnecessary things and just let jesus in our heart- I’m so tired and listening to you talk about trans issues and other things just makes me feel a lot more happier:D thank you so much
As a trans man myself, I can't tell you how many times I have been told that I'm a misguided/lost lesbian. but ma'am....I'm engaged to a man...trans people can be gay
Yes, a friend of ours realized he was a man, but to him his gay identity is more important than the gender of his interest, so now he's a gay man, while he used to live as a lesbian. I'd say he is bisexual. But - who cares about labels?
Straight* You’re a heterosexual female. You’re not gay. You’ve possibly fetishized homosexuality, but that still isn’t gay. Ultimately, you will never be a homosexual and intrinsically you will always be different from a gay man.
@@enzi87 They were essentially saying that being a trans guy automatically makes me misogynistic. They were insinuating that being misogynistic was an inherent trait of all trans guys because we think were better than women.
I can tell you why I didn't realize/come out, even though the clues have been there. As a woman, you can wear mens clothing with few repercussions. I've been around since the 70's, where pant suits were the thing, and jeans. I got lucky. Men had some pretty good clothing, but they couldn't wear a dress. I don't think they would be accepted. But I have never worn dresses and always been accepted. Had short hair, been accepted. I'm 100% sure, if I was a teen, I would have tried to get puberty blockers. I'm used to navigating the world as I am now, a fairly non binary person with generous attributes that I freaking hate. My kids accept me, that's all that really matters.
I too and older and non-binary trans. I think part of the reason people think we don’t exist is because generally speaking kids on tik tok seem to be the loudest most colorful representations of NB people. Nothing wrong with that but it’s just so disheartening to hear that non binary people are only teenage “girl” cashing in on a trend
i was extremely confused as to why noah referred to that one website at about 11:30 in the video as transphobic when it says that they dont support harmful treatment for gender nonconforming people. the confusion came from my assumption that the site was talking about conversion therapy, but it was talking about hormones and other sources of physical modifications (used specifically by people on the trans spectrum) for peoples own comfortability and furthermore euphoria. HOW IS CONVERSION THERAPY BETTER THAN GRNDER EUPHORIA
Imagine me saying “we’re losing all the bisexuals” and making a video freaking out on all the lesbians who’ve used the label as a stepping stone to discovering themselves or coming out. :/// let people be, damn
As a bisexual I feel this is a superb comparison. All of my friends who identify as only being attracted to women have identified as bisexual once, and most of my friends who currently identify as bisexual are constantly questioning if they are really just lesbian 💀 you don’t hear me giving a heck
@Savannah Wells a lesbian? Is that autocorrect because I'm confused on what you are asking. In any case I hope it goes well and if they don't support you they don't deserve you.
Random story, my friend used to identify as lesbian but now she's bisexual. I could make a video crying abt the loss of a dear lesbian friend, or I could suck it up and support her lol
Hate to break it to you but the amount of bi ppl who get mad at others for using the label as a stepping stone is ridiculous it’s kinda become “a thing” now sadly but I agree with you
Arielle doesn't like us trans lesbians... like at all. - unless MAYBE when we have bottom surgery - and I'm sure she wouldn't like as much more even then
To all the trans lesbians here I just want to let you know as a fellow lesbian that I think you're beautiful and valid and I love each and every one of you so much! Just thought some of you could need some positivity after all of this Arielle crap. Screw her.
As a representative of the lesbians, i am not sorry to say that we will not be accepting your allegiance to our group, and on behalfnof the trans folks out there, i sincerely apologize for our former ally, we will not be allowing her into our ranks anymore. We will be removing Miss Arielle from our ranks due to her severe transphobia and genderphobia. She will not be using her former allegiance with the lesbian community to defend or justify her actions anymore. Again, i sincerely apologize for this awful person. Good day ❤
The whole thing of " "gay" people transition to escape homophobia" (I haven't actually watched the video yet so I don't know if she says that)ummmm, even as a cis bi person I acknowledge that transphobia is a LOT worse than homophobia 🙄
Dude I know that actor from umbrella academy and was shocked that he uses he/they pronouns but it makes me extra happy because I only knew like one other nonbinary actor
i’ve been listening to so many of this guys songs for so long and also watching his videos from time to time but i have no idea it was the same person. anyways i love LIFES A BIT so fucking much it’s such a vibe goodbye
That is a fair point, because did Elliot ever actually say he was a trans man or non binary in his post? He could be non binary leaning masc for all we know.
@@Thekingofneedles I think Elliot didn't write "man" or "nonbinary" on purpose, because who was stopping them? It's a coming out post! Maybe nor "man" or "nonbinary" are fitting. He wrote "trans" and "queer", so maybe it's just it, the whole identity.
@@Thekingofneedles I believe he just said he was coming out as trans and identifies with he/they pronouns. So I think masc-nb is probably a close descriptor, but obviously nobody can really know his identity but him. (I used "him" etc a bunch so it didn't seem like i was generalizing and saying "noone can know their identity")
Arielle saying that "oh kids are just being trans to be like everyone else" But Elliott is in his 30s... Like I'm sure he knows himself better than some terf on the internet Edit: "kids grow out of disphoria at 25" Again Elliott is in his 30'S WHY DRAG HIM INTO THIS
I love how her point was that school teachers will treat you better if you come out as trans - yes, I'm sure 33-year-old Elliott based his decision to come out on this. As we all know, the average 33-year-old is in school in Arielle's world.
I'm 34 and slowly coming out as nonbinary (although I've known for a long time). I was told by some internet stranger that I'm just a normal girl trying to be edgy. Oh please 😅 by this age I couldn't care less about being seen as cool or edgy or special.
As a cis lesbian, no, no we aren’t running out dw 😭😭😭 it’s not a competition and it should NEVER be a competition, people are what they are and nobody should change that. It breaks my heart to see like gay hate towards trans people like cmon :( we as skittles should all be on the same side
Same😭😭 I'm tired of seeing lgbtq+ people fighting against each other when we should be supporting each other since we're literally in the same community???
You know if you wanna phrase a trans man who's attracted to women as "Another lesbian lost" then you also have to apply the logic and realize that a trans woman interested in women is a lesbian gained so it should pretty much average out anyways.
Thank u for making this I honestly lost so much faith at first cause she was my first lesbian “teacher” when I was young& seeing her switch was heartbreaking.
Yeah I’m so happy!! Not about Arielle obviously but I checked and Google changed his name and pronouns and so have a lot of other sites :’) when you google a show or series he appeared in and click on his name it googles the deadname though :((
I saw one of those clickbaity articles from last year that was edited to include Elliot rather than his dead name, and he was only a small part of the article. If they can do it, anyone can refer to him by his name!
I'm 47 and have never "grown out" of my gender dysphoria, and I wish someone had helped me identify it much earlier. The phrase "biological women" really bothers me. I have recently identified that I am a trans woman, and I am as much of a carbon-based lifeform as any other woman. She uses the phrase "LGBT" a lot, but seems to forget that it has a "T" in it. She also ignores that the lesbians that are being "depleted" by trans men are being "replenished" by trans women. I think she's just terrified that the next woman she picks up in a bar is going to be an AMAB.
Let me just run you through a scenario real quick. A cis woman (we'll call her Heather) comes to realise she is a lesbian and she has same sex attraction to people who also identify as women. Heather lives life for a few years, has come out to the people significant to her as a lesbian and perhaps even had a girlfriend or two. Then one day, she is at the bar hanging out with some friends and see somebody across the room who she is very attracted to. Heather gathers her courage and decides she's going to go strike a conversation with this person. She offers to buy them a drink, asks their name (let's call them Zae,) they chat for a while and it seems that Zae is pretty interested in Heather. At one point, Heather notices a flag pin she doesn't recognize on the ballcap that Zae is wearing and decides to inquire. Zae explains that they identify as non-binary, their pronouns are they/them, and they've been out for 6 years. Heather is taken aback for a few seconds because she's never heard of this before, and decides to ask a few clarifying questions, with Zae's permission of course. A few weeks go by and Heather and Zae have gone on a few magical dates, nothing like Heather has ever experienced before. Heather is enchanted by the way Zae carefully balances masculine and feminine tendencies, and eventually she decides she's had enough and asks them to be their partner. The two have a conversation about what that would mean for Heather, as she has indentified as a lesbian for some time now. Heather comes to the realization that she might not be just a lesbian, and spends some time pondering the question. After several weeks of internal dialogue and frantic googling of terms, Heather lands on an identity she feels fits her best. She tells Zae that she thinks she would like to identify as queer. She's come to realize that her attraction isn't just to women and feminine presenting people, and that the label queer feels like it encompasses everything she feels for Zae. She's also realized that your sexual and romantic identity is something that can evolve over time, something that's ever changing and influenced by the people you meet and the experiences you've had. Now what, pray tell, is the problem with any of this? What I've just outlined is a journey that many queer people, including myself have gone through. These people that identify as lesbians and shit on other lesbians for coming out as queer saying 'where are all the lesbians going?" fail to realize that your sexuality evolves over time. At one point they identified as straight, and now they've come to realize that that label doesn't work for them; that's an evolution of your sexual and romantic identity. And it's not limited to sexuality either; people's gender identity also evolves over time. 4 years ago I came out as a gay man but now I identify as a queer, bi-romantic non-binary person, with many steps in between those two conclusions. The evolution of the understanding one's identity is a journey that everyone goes through, whether it be their sexuality, gender, career path, hobbies and interests, mental health journey, etc. Change is a part of the human condition. Sorry for the borderline thesis, this is something I'm extremely passionate about. Have a nice day/night/evening!
You don't need to apologize for a grown woman being immature. Even if your both lesbian, her hate has nothing to do with you. Have an amazing day (◕ᴗ◕✿)
@@the_seabunnyboi7004 It's a gross insult cultists use to shame women who support queer and trans people, and it's really not worth finding out what it means unless you're ready for some very upsetting context
Another point is that she automatically assumes that every trans man was first identifying as a lesbian?? Like you said, bi, pan, ace, and straight people still exist and transition 😑 she really does make literally everything about her, and she's not even a little bit right while doing so
Same energy as the people who hear you're trans and go "wait, are you sure you're not just gay?" Like bro They are separate things They are not always related smh
"we did it we lost another lesbian guys" 💀💀💀as a fellow gay i can say that we're doing pretty ok lmfao in fact we could stand to loose a few terfs💀💀but then again maybe im just a sexist lesbian somehow ajfdkjsf
The most interesting part is Elliot has now, at some point in his life, added representation for a lot of people, especially people trying to figure out identity.
I believe it comes from compulsory cisgendered normativity. Transphobic cis people want trans people to just stay in the boxes of their respective birth-assigned genders usually because it brings them the comfort of the illusion of a world that makes more personal sense to them.
"Someone somewhere is eating something I won't eat... I don't know who, I don't know where, but I know they're doing it to annoy me..." that's how stupid they sound!
@@johnwalker1058 i remember trying to explain gender identity and shit in the comments of some youtube video to a bunch of probably middle aged transphobic women and they took so much offense to my use of the harmless term 'cis' instead of processing my explanation that i just gave up. it's so bewildering.
Actually it seems to be trans women thinking lesbians owe them something, or have you not heard of the cotton ceiling, or seen the vile threats lesbians receive for not liking the opposite sex 🤷♀️ so I’d say we want our sexuality to be respected like trans people want their gender identity to be respected. Not such a hard thing to understand really.
just a friendly reminder (this isn’t targeted towards anyone specific, simply just a reminder) JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE MAD AT A TRANS PERSON DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO MISGENDER THEM.
Well, technically (in the US at least) you have the "right" to say whatever you want, that doesn't change the fact that its extremely rude and transphobic to misgender someone because you're mad at them.
6:06 as a lesbian myself, if someone who identified as lesbian comes out to be trans, I'm happy the person got to come to terms with their gender identity, I couldn't care less if we '''lost a fellow lesbian''' I mean, come on!
As a member of the lgbtq+ community (I’m pansexual and use they/she pronouns) how can she say that she supports the community and plus she is part of the community and the facts the she is saying “if he/ they ACTUALLY are trans” like yes he/they is trans don’t say if he actually is trans bc he is trans. He is a man
