Automakers SCREWED Customers, Now They're PAYING THE PRICE 

Thank you so much for the kind words! @@davep5161

Can you find me 2022 Raz4 TRD in the 92311 ...... I found Longo Toyota and Valley HI Toyota...

Yep well said

Me too. Well said

That's what most people should do if they can. I lost my 2019 RAV4 in a car accident now I am saving for a new car but I would have held it for 20 years if possible.

Sounds like Peachtree City, GA.

Golf carts on the road are already here, they are called EVs.

That's like $10k over MSRP.

And you know, you can have someone put the wheels right back on for a hell of a lot cheaper too 😅.

Not defending dealerships as most are terrible. But your complains about the cost of the car doubling and making the inside smaller than before sounds like a manufacturer issue.

Not all dealerships are terrible. They are only the middle man in the equation. I have a cap on the amount I would pay for a new vechile. Under $35k is my max & I will never pay $80+k for any vechile. I have 1099 jobs so I use my newer vehcile as a tax write off.

I bought last week 4 new Michelin defender tires for my 2008 Honda civic. Runs like a brand new car!! Will go for another 100k on this car.

@@ca9777 Tires for me last 2 to 2.5 years. Not worth it for me buying the top of the line.

I don’t get it y’all are talking about how dealers are going to change their ways and then when you bring examples they aren’t. They are staying the same prices. Is the market falling or is it not?

It's a very strange business model!

Yea. I’ve been looking between San Angelo, San Antonio and DFW. It’s rough

None of that matters

Huge SUVs as singles are the fastest growing demographic. Bring back Nissan/Datsun pickups, the Ford Fiesta, Smart for two and a case of beer.

​@johndefalque5061 It's an arms race - gotta defend your fam from the evolutionary bystander raging in his lifted pickup

@@johndefalque5061 I would love to see such vehicles come back, but the reason they disappeared is due to changes in consumer buying preferences. Look at what pickup trucks were 30yrs ago and what they are now.

BS-It only cost $13.50 to fill up my Nissan Diesel King cab in 2004! I used to have a Ford camper Special, cost a fortune to fill up and with any load, the sloppy steering went all over the road. At least half the time your truck is empty. Steering was so great on the Nissan that I drove hundreds of kms hands free eating chips 2 handed FFS!@@palebeachbum

Was the sales person surprised?

Bet he never went on the radio saying they had the best month ever when they were ripping people off.dont feel sorry for them

I work at a mazda dealership. We have so many cars to sell we started using our Honda store as the overflow lot.

"The sales rep even mentioned about how well prepared I was and doesn't get customers who know so much. " Sales 101, Lesson #1- Flatter the customer.

How much?

@@williamkennedy6423 F150 Lightning XLT w 312a package and extended range battery. Shipped from Utah to Colorado at MSRP of $72985.00 Less $1500.00 Customer Cash. They offer $7500.00 on the Lariat and Platinum models.

So you're that wealthy, are ya? Sure.

It’s amazing to me at the people complaining, if you can pay cash for a car then 2 or 3 grand shouldn’t bother for that matter anyone. If a couple grand is what separating you from buying a vehicle you obviously have more problems to worry about than buying a vehicle.

How much?

Yeah, how much did you pay? Is is S or base countryman model? Which location?!

It’s a Cooper S all4 for MSRP for 40,645 and they gave me off almost 2k from that. With only getting a few new cars a month and this one was the last new one they had left I thought that was pretty good.

Baron Mini just outside of Kansas City.

Good for you! Congrats!

Drivers Seat Snif/InTheTears 1979... GR8 tune! CB

@Car Edge I am in a market for a used Camry 2023 SE model with 10k miles for about $27k. Do you think the price is reasonable?

No it better to buy a 3000$ dollar Honda or Toyota that only needs oil change get a mechanic pay him 200 to check the car and believe me you will not have to worry about payments or interested for 3 years.

Lol brutal

Love a good human interest story.

but if they have quotas from the OEMs they be fucked

If they refuse allocations from the manufacturer, that will hurt their long term allocations.

Most dealers are being forced to take new inventory right now. Floor plan payments are crazy.

@@hondofitty they are deserved since they 99% of them markup the price crazily like $10K at least on MSRP!

MSRP? I have always bought new cars, and never paid anywhere close to MSRP. Find another dealer, always order the car, pay cash (find a loan elsewhere if needed), and insist on seeing the invoice. Dealers get kickbacks on top of the price listed as dealer invoice. I always pay thousands under MSRP.

Idiots do it everyday.

I had a 2012 outback. It stranded me 4 times. Transmission, head gasket, then the engine died at 115K miles even with regular maintenance and oil change every 300 miles. Scotty Killmer blames it on the flat engine design and sez there cvt's are poor quality. If you buy it get the extended warrentee. I replaced mine with a 2004 malibu with 125K miles and got another 150K out of it .The $2.5 K pos car outlasted the $25K outback. The body metal was thin on the outback and plastic interior broke in several places and seats stained from water bottle sweat. It had a horrible blindspot. Another thing was every 30,000 miles they hit you up for $800-1400 mandatory service .

Honda Toyota and will have better resale value. The Subaru would only be worth it if it’s thousands less than the comparable Honda or Toyota

Our family has owned a total of nine Subarus dating all the way back to the 2000 model year. All nine have been exceptional good cars with little or next to none mechanical or electrical issues. No one car brand is perfect though. Keeping them maintained is key.

Subarus self-destruct at over 100,000 miles it’s a known fact

​@@paulk6077bought my son a 2012 Impreza... Subaru rebuilt the engine 3 times ...now no air conditioning and just had the transmission fixed . I feel your pain.

Every vehicle I see on dealer sites are the marked up versions with tons of options packages. They don't want to stock any affordable cars.

Did you walk out in the finance office? That’s the worst place for a deal to blow up in: they may call you back but let them rot!

Actually it means if the dealer doesn't sell fast enough, they will sell for less than they owe.

Interest only.

@corderochopsraw7833 it was the rav4 prime 👍

@corderochopsraw7833 Love it so far 😍

Maybe you didn't get the memo, but people are now aware of the scam that is being played out with the whole EV market. Nobody is buying EVs anymore and the people who did are trading them back in for gas cars. It costs the same to charge an EV as it does to fill your car with gas. But the biggest problem with the EVs is that most people end up waiting in lines for hours just to get their EV charged which takes a supercharger about an hour on average to charge. That's if they can even find a working charging station because most of them are out of service when you show up to charge that EV. So people are driving from one station to another and some just run out of power before finding a working one. EVs don't work for people who drive a lot every day because those people don't have 2 or 3 hours every day to just waste searching for a working charger or just sitting in a parking lot waiting for their turn to charge your car so that you can get home. It only takes about a month of dealing with that crap before you realize that you made a horrible decision buying that glorified golf cart and for way more money than you would pay for a gas car. These EVs are just draining people of all of their money and time as well. These EVs are not even built to last very long with the average life span being about 6 years before you will be forced to spend up to 20k just to replace that EV's battery so that you can drive it 150 miles on one charge again. And you only get 150 miles per charge if you are driving very slow with no AC on or any other convenience like your radio or your lights because that changes the distance that EV is capable of driving to be a lot less than 150 miles per charge. This whole EV thing doesn't even do anything good to save the environment and nobody can afford them which is why car manufacturers stopped producing them now. Dealers don't have room on their lots so these cars are being stored in the middle of the desert by the thousands. People realized these EVs are just a scam to drain the people of any money they might have left in their bank accounts and nobody wants to fall into that trap now. I wouldn't take one if they tried to give it to me just because my time is worth more than what it would take for me to charge that thing every day. Even if they installed 10 more times the chargers in this country it wouldn't be enough and they will never do that because they need these chargers to be scarce so that they can keep raising the prices to use their chargers. You don't save any money driving an EV because it costs the same as you would pay to fill your car with gas right now and those prices are definitely going to go up. And there will be a new thing called parking lot rage in the future. That rage will be far worse once people start to fight to use a charger because there is no line while you wait for an available charger. People just park nearby and it won't be long before you start to see people lose their minds when they feel that they are next in line to use a charger. You can't make a person wait for 3 or 4 hours in a parking lot every day and not expect that it's not going to create some violence when there is any dispute that would make a person wait even longer than that just to be able to drive home. I live in LA and it's hard to find a charger that works with no line even at 3am. My girlfriend fell into this trap and I feel bad for her that she has to wake up at 2:30am and start driving around looking for an empty charger every day. She is not a happy camper anymore because she gets maybe 3 hours of sleep every day now since she splurged and bought that crappy car. People will not be buying new cars for a very long time now choosing to just hold on to their gas cars because it will be cheaper no matter the price of gas. I wouldn't even consider buying a newer gas car now since those cars are all made like crap compared to the gas cars they built in the 90s that if you took care of them they will drive a million miles with very little maintenance and most of it you can do yourself. The money I'm saving driving my 95 Toyota truck still allows me to save my money for other things still and I still get my 8 hours of sleep every night and never have to worry about whether or not I will get to my destination on time. I pay practically nothing on insurance for that car and I paid it off 23 years ago. No car payments since. I drive that truck everywhere and I always feel confident that it will never break down on me and I know It will never be sitting in some mechanic garage for weeks while they try to diagnose what sensor is causing all the problems that prevent me from driving it. I never have any lights on my dashboard telling me that I need to have my car seen by the dealer so that they can extract thousands of dollars from my account and not fix the problem forcing me to come back and do that again like all the newer cars are always doing today. My 92 Mazda Miata is just as good and it costs me maybe $30 a month to operate it and it's always been trouble-free. You will not find a more reliable car built than cars that were built in the early 90s period. You will guarantee be paying more to drive your car if it was built after the year 95 because 96 and up were all required to have ODB2 ports and they all started putting sensors and making cars way too electronic starting in 96. And cars just kept getting worse every year after 96 with today's cars being no better than a disposable Bic lighter now. They are not built to last and they will cost you way more money than cars built before 96. So I will drive my old cars till I die or they stop producing gas for cars and then I will just choose to walk or not go at all because I will not be the chump who pays outrageous amounts of money to drive a car in this country. I will just move to another country that hasn't lost its mind and is trying to screw over its people like this. I work hard for my money and I'm not going to just piss it away so that I can say I have a new car. There is nothing to be proud of when you say that today. That just tells me you are a chump and a fool willing to blow your money on anything and not a smart person at all. Why anyone would be willing to put themselves in such a large debt for something that depreciates faster than you can pay it off just tells me that person is a fool and I will be laughing all the way to the bank because I am not in debt and I have a reliable car still that I paid off over 20 years ago. These new vehicles are no better than my vehicle and just as safe. Why are they building all these cars with all these ridiculous safety features that nobody needs if they know how to actually drive their cars. How lazy are people now that they need their cars to drive for them. It's really pathetic and it says a lot about the younger generation these days who feel entitled to everything without having to work for it themselves. They are so lazy that I'm sure they will build something to tie their shoes and wipe their asses for them next. I wonder why they are still so stupid to pursue college with the amount of money it costs to go there now. They should have clearly said screw you to that college and found a way to earn a living without it. Now they are whining that they are 75k in debt when they get out of college and they still can't find a job so they just go home to Mom and Dad who are stupid enough to let them back in instead of saying no you need to figure this out yourself. They learn nothing if you just bail them out with every bad decision they make. They were adults when they decided to take on that debt and it's up to them to find a way to pay it off or they will just keep on making more bad decisions and sticking their parents with the bill. What would those kids do without their parents there to help them through their stupid mistakes? Nobody was there for me and I would never have asked my parents for help after I was 18. I knew I was on my own and I made sure that I thought things through before making any big decisions that I might regret later on.

The need for gap insurance indicates the value is dropping faster than you're paying down the debt. Not a smart move. You're also increasing your payment buying gap.

A Lease is for fools. Buy something you can afford, don't lease something you can't.

Always!

KiaKRAP

They do t make $$ on new cars and make some on your trade. They make $$ on financing and if they hit a monthly goal given to them by the manufacturer, they’ll get a kickback. From what I heard, the manufacturer goals are ridiculous.

Usually can figure it out if you can see the Card as report that shows the history of when the car arrives at first dealer, when it was first bought, where it was first registered and where, and when it is sold back to a dealer, and when it is put on the lot for sale again.

CarGurus

Why would you trade in a 2021 anyway?

Exactly. Drive it for many YEARS ! I was able to retire at 43 by not foolishly spending money on liabilities and unsecured debt.

@@billricheter5678 buyers who buy new after 2 or 3 years exacerbate the current problem. They gotsta have the newest, shiniest car on the block. Pride😬. CB

Let me get this straight, you already have a 2021 Jeep Renegade and you were looking to buy a new one?

​@ktakashismith Don't you know people have their priorities backwards? And then complain later that they got tricked into a new car when it was all their impulse buying habit. Don't feel sorry for some people. They would never listen to good advice.

Wow, you're talking about 1978, cars didn't cost what they cost today. Show me a 30k F150 in 1978. You can't.

@@demsareunamerican6800 Average wage was $14,000 per year in 1978, Now it is $59,000. Percentage is percentage, no matter the dollar figure. Every investment has been about percentage and expense since a $20 gold piece was one ounce of gold.