The worst part of siding with the Stormcloaks has always been the disappointment in Pap Balgruufs eyes when you come for him. #aivoice #ai #memes #elderscrolls #skyrim #skyrimmemes #jarl
both sides have good and bad Jarls. Igmund and Thongvor are equally oblivious to Thonar's extent of murderous corruption. Siddgeir is corrupt. Dengeir is better but he is senile, paranoiac and his quests sent you to 1) spy his former bodyguard and 2) kill his vampire ancestor to cover shameful secret. While Thadgeir needs stronger spine. Idgrod is kooky. Sorli is self centered. Laila is ineffective. Maven is corrupt. Korir is hard head who has no idea how to help his people. Kraldar needs stronger spine. Ulfric's focus on war left his hold beset by bandit and a serial killer in his capital city. Ban on Argonians entering city wall? He made that policy. Brunwulf's heart is in the right place but his ability to lead in peace is untested. The only clear comparison are Brina > skald (bratty jerk who overly commits leaving his hold low on fund and men). Balgruuf > Vignar (jerkass who lets his personal vendetta prevents a family getting protection and justice.) & Hrongar (jerk who overly commits leaving his hold low on fund and men. It is good that this was cut).
@@FrancoEchidnammm i kinda don't want to give away aetherium crown but damn,for Jarl Ballin I guess i'll just console command second one in for myself.
I think this might genuinely be the best TES character AI monologue video I've seen yet. Even the legendary 'Dagoth Ur meets Argonian Neravarine' video has to bend the knee to Balgruuf's sheer chad energy here.
Yeah, but don't forget, the Stormcloaks were willing to let you perish. Poor Lokir begged and pleaded for Ralof to tell the imperials that you and him weren't rebels. Ralof just rebukes him to face death with dignity. Yes, the empire would probably ignore these pleas, but a token attempt to spare an innocent kinsman from an unjust and honorless death would have been kind.
My Jarl wake up! Oh dear, you were knocked out hard. Nord? I'm a Breton! Betrayal? No! You're my best friend! Come on, my Jarl. The Slutcloaks are coming! We need to prepare for war!
I still can't get over how shit the civil war quest line is. Seriously outside of doing it for role-play purposes who here actually did that? I only ever did it twice, once as an Imperial and once as a Nord, and both times it sucked.
Iirc it's because the majority of it is cut content. Luckily you can use mods to make it a much more interesting time but in Vanilla? It's like three battles long.
@@feenickstv4209 Not worth the bounty and hassle of getting forcegreeted by a guard, tbh. I just get the upgrades while I'm doing the jarl bandit quests or clearing out vampire lairs, it at least makes the tedium of those things a little less boring
Main reason I don’t join the Stormcloaks 1. Can’t keep Balgruuf 2. Stormcloacks winning is what the Thalmor secretly want to weaken the empire for the next Great War 3. Ulfric is the Main reason the banning of Talos worship is actually “enforced” in Skyrim do to his lil Markarth revolt he literally made the problem that so many in his cause join to fight against 4. Ulfric has such a massive ego the Thalmor where able to weaponize it against the Empire 5. Ulfric is to dumb to realize he is being used by the Thalmor and what he is doing will weaken the realm of man as a whole in the long term while only strengthening the Dominion
I cant join the Stormcloaks because on my first play through I walked into Windhelm as a Dark Elf and immediately encountered all the racism. It took me like 5 whole minutes in Windhelm to be like, "Well ya'll can kiss my entire gray ass."
@@OddyJayGames yea the racism was a turn off for me as I got older and was able to understand it but I started playing Skyrim when I was a wee lad and didn’t notice a lot of things in the game I see now so I originally joined the stormcloaks back in my early days of Skyrim simply because I was to young to understand the politics and I didn’t have the information I have now
1. True 2. Not true, the Thalmor want the civil war to continue for as long as possible. A win for either side is bad. (Source: the Thalmor Dossier on the subject) 3. Kinda true but also it was a matter of time before the Thalmor made a big deal out of them not enforcing it properly 4. IIRC they made him THINK he was important in the Empire losing, but really wasn't. It's one of the reasons he is the way he is - immense guilt and thinking he was one of the reasons they lost the war. (He talks about fighting for the people who died in his arms - referencing the Great War and the people lost to it. If he thinks they 'lost' because of him ... well yeah) 5. I don't see this being said about Hammerfall and the Alik'r warriors and the rest of the resistance against the Thalmor. An independent Skyrim does not mean they wouldn't help in any way if there was a second Great War nor does it mean that Skyrim would be inherently weaker. Bear in mind that the only reason the Thalmor pushed for peace was because the Nord Legions from Skyrim came to Cyrodiil and they managed to take back the Imperial City. Also the Dunmer are the last people in TES who can complain about racism when the last big conflict in their lands was a result of their centuries, if not millenia of slavery lmao skill issue rip bozo
True. But if you do season unending and then side with ulfric you can run maven out of riften. Not that it's worth it since markarth gets taken by a silverblood.
When I sided with the stormcloaks I had no idea that we were gonna take whiterun when I came inside the city walls I refused to attack any whiterun city guards and I had enough when balgruuf said “you a stormcloak I trusted you” I loaded a save and chose to side with the empire as much as I wanted to kill them for almost killing me it was the only way whiterun would be safe from the stormcloaks
A man so stalwart he manages to sell being trapped in a dungeon for the rest of his life and comes across as a winner compared to the guy who put him there.
There's a whole Temple to Talos in Windhelm, just northwest of Candlehearth. It's even got a statue inside. Pretty sure the priest there mentions Ulfric visits regularly. Also, Riften has a statue and shrine of Talos, along the wall east of Mistveil. It's kept by the matron of the Snow-Shod family. There's also one in Markarth, under the Temple of Dibella, where you meet Eltry at the beginning of the Forsworn Conspiracy quest. I bet it sees little action, considering there are Thalmor stationed in Understone Keep.
always have chosen the imperial side simply because I wouldn’t do that to balgruuf. In fact I’ve never done a stormcloak play through 😭 fuck the thalmor tho
This video raises a good point, why isn't there a big statue of Talos in front of the Windhelm palace? The entire rebellion only exists because the law, though poorly enforced, said they couldn't worship Talos. It is a religious war and Ulfric couldn't even bother to get 1 statue for the palace?
Eh, First time was just because I was new to the elder scrolls universe and I decided to go with the guys that weren’t trying to Execute me for being at the wrong place at the wrong time. Nowadays I just say “fuck both the factions, I’m the gods damned Dragonborn, You will make nice until I kill the Giant flying jackass or I’ll kick both of your army’s asses”
Given how dovah and dovahkiin work, the Last Dragonborn would never follow Ulfric, a mere mortal, without plans to inevitably betray him and take over.
First time I played Skyrim I sided with stormcloaks just because blue is one of favorite colors. I quit after finding out I had to betray Whiterun and didn’t play the game for like 2 years
In all honesty, Ulfric is just straight up braindead for trying to secede from the Empire. The Empire hates the Thalmor just as much as everyone else; General Tullius states as much. There, inevitably, will be another war berween the Thalmor and the Empire. Mankind needs to be at it's strongest to have the hope of standing up the the Thalmor. Talos worship, though technically outlawed by the White-Gold Concordate, was still allowed by the Empire. It was a law that wasn't really enforced, until Ulfric started his rebellion and Thalmor agents started skulking in. But who am I kidding, Skyrim isn't even a good game. It's literally a more watered-down version of Oblivion.
I love blowing up everything. I'm a psycho Dragonborn, give no fucks about the cocky and the rich, if I can kill you, I might quicksave. I join the Stormcloaks just because the high elves are dicks, it's really no other reason. Ulfric is a dick too, love Baalgruf, he's a homie, but his kid is fucking weird.
@@Makofueled If you read the lre when the empire started losing in Hammerfell and peace was made many generals just so happen to allow thousands of imperial Redguards to retire early to return home and keep the fight going without breaking the treaty. Long story short if you read into the great war the empire is being tactful about it, meanwhile the nords are like 'ma talos time to rebel' and not thinking about things for 2 seconds which is even more dumb seeing as Skyrim was never threatened during the great war so most nords were just chilling around doing nothing while the imperial city was sacked and burned.
I think a lot of people sleep on General Tullius. On one of my last play throughs I noticed something I had never put much thought in that cemented in me how much a good guy Tullius is. Your at the block about to be executed, Ulfric and his rebels are in binds ready to be next. He’s got everything he needs to stamp this civil war out and has Elowen nearby observing in full display. A dragon swoops in and starts destroying helgan, and you know what this man’s orders are? “Guards get the townspeople to safety” He immediately thinks of the people he’s honor bound to protect as a part of the legion.
"You hate elves and argonians" Me, who married Shahvee, keeps Erandur as a companion, and wipes out every Imperial patrol I come across: stay mad and bitter in the basement of the Blue Palace, I guess.
How very perceptive. If you pay atention to every random traveler you maybe should try paying atention to your spoiled son and stop him from comunicating with daedra
The Stormcloaks aren't much better given the slums are only for the least problematic Dunmer. Cause any trouble and you'll be lucky if there's enough of you left to become an ancestral spirit.
Another reason why obsidian is better than Bethesda obsidian gave me a fuck all your factions faction for New Vegas and gave me the option to kill everybody nobody was safe and even made it a potential ending to kill literally everybody
Tldr incoming from my OC: the most de- generate dragonborn ever to achieve CHIM. 1- I joined the stormcloaks purely out of spite. Attempt to c- ut off my head? I'll c- ut off your whole bloodline. 2- I don't care about Skyrim, Tamriel, the people, the races, or any of these old fa- rt politics that everyone's been whining about for 12 years now. I only care about myself and turning all of Tamriel into my own personal playground, and honestly the stormcloaks treated me way wayyyyyy better than the imperials ever did, so they get to live on as my f- toys until I decide I'm bored with them. You insult me, you d- ie. You flip me the bird, you d- ie. You so much as fa- rt in my general direction, you d- ie. And you just insulted the worst kind of Lorkhan-mantle: the chaotic-neutral de- generate with the power of CHIM (aka console commands) and 100+ ns- fw mods. 3- your children? What children? Oh you mean the 3 little goblins I sent to the glue factory thanks to the ki- llable children mod? Btw I trapped their souls and used them to enchant these pretty dwemer spectacles I'm wearing, so don't waste your time waiting for them when I finally allow you to leave this world and go to Sovngarde, they're not coming. 4- oh and btw the empire is pretty much de- ad now cuz the emperor himself is de- ad. I'll give you 3 guesses who ki- lled him. What are you even fighting for anymore? History is written by the winners darling, and you and your precious empire just lost to a single person. So take your massive L and be happy I'm letting you live just cuz I like your voice and accent. 5- I already like men so your g- ay insults don't work on me. Now please assume the position. I just got these wonderful tentacle powers from Hermaeus Mora that I'd like to try out. 6- "elf hat- ing"? B-- ch please. Have you seen my ha- rem? 90% of it is elven fe- mboys. 7- speaking of ha- rems, you can forget about being locked up with skoomheads and h-- kers. You're going straight to my ha- rem and I'm using the fleshcrafting skills I learned from reincarnating as Sheogorath in the previous dragonbreak to turn you into the second prettiest nord fe- mboy the world has ever seen (the first being me, of course). Now I can really draw you like one of my fancy French girls! 8- have you met my husband, Miraak? His tentacle powers are way more powerful than mine and he likes to join in the fun too. You can look forward to that. 9- I can mind control dragons. Wanna guess what I'm gonna make them do? Yes, all this cuz you insulted me. What are you gonna do about it? Cry for your housecarl to come save your useless a-- ? Newsflash, I turned her into a pretty dunmer fe- mboy too and she (or he) will suffer the same fate.
@@mausolus8466 Do you accept a Dunmer Morag Tong assassin who joined the Dark brotherhood to try and change or destroy it from within only to find a prime opportunity to kill that sell-out Emperor of theirs?
@@mausolus8466 My Dunmer: The Morag Tong is a legally sanctioned organisation, we are no common cut-throats and Reavers, we are professional combatants, capable of standing toe to toe with any foe you Nords are capable of fighting, and our skills in assassination are second to few, if you wish for a Thalmor Justiciar's head on a pick or a dagger in the back of some Imperial Legate, I'm your mer.
I like the Empire but the fact you're not allowed worship your own God in your own land is what triggers me. I hate the Thalmor and I hate what they represent. That's the only reason I go with the Stormcloaks. Not because I'm racist and hate every race known to man except Nords... even if I play as a Nord every chance I get. And Ulfric? He's an ASS leader that's for damn sure. But let's be realistic here, it's not that Skyrim belongs to the Nords but the Nords BELONG to Skyrim. So you can come to Skyrim and live happily ever after, yes but if you come to start shit like Thalmor is doing then that's when you need to GTFO.
The correct response to Jarl B*tchgruuf's salty monologue is a big, fat chad YES. Should've sided with the sons of Skyrim rather than being so pitiful that a few Thalmor threats and a guy with a bowl cut are enough to whip you into the ranks of the failing empire.
I always find it peculiar that the sentiment of Nord independence is seen as racist, but the whole persecution of Talos worshippers isn't seen as religious bigotry on part of the Empire. Talos Mistake, Hammerfell's victory over the elves after the Empire abandoned it, and in truth very little proof of actual racism on part of the Stormcloaks. Ulfric is a Thalmor agent? The empire stipulated the end of Talos worship themselves rather than the elves asking it, willingly inviting the Thalmor into the empire. All being said, I see little that the Empire can offer Skyrim. Hammerfell has shown the way. The elves can be fought, but the Cyrodilic Empire needs to be dissolved.
Talos became a god and used a Gundam to literally slaughter dozens of Elves. The Man made the Tribunal look "Fine" and they literally killed their best friend to become a god. It's understandable why Elves doesnt like Talos worship
Given that Torryg (the guy ulfric murdered), the 2IC of the Imperial Army, Jarl Balin, and the fact that most of the actual bigfucking statues in the game are in Imperial privinces, the "ban" on Talos worship is mostly a convenient way to lure Thalmor into the wilderness chasing snipes and getting killed by "bandits". That you can alsostraight up murder the thalmor in public and get a slap on the wrist basically proves Ulfric is full of shit.
Ur talos 2.0 plus I think its dumb joining the empire if ur gonna kill the king anyway so yeah ulfric is not a good leader but I feel his pain u guys are acting dumb there in war with 1 elves species and they thinks there spy's guess wat 1 off them is and the other 4 piss me off I like the argonians way more
@crossil7722 When Empire-lovers want to preach on behalf of their corrupted Empire, they will always find or create an argument. As for the "Cyrodilic Empire needs to be dissolved" I couldn't agree more. Let it be only remembered as the greatest mistake of Man (same as Thalmor controlled Dominion is a greatest mistake of Mer), never to be repeated again.
Windhelm is the only city in skyrim that accepts dunmer refugees. They dont get a 5 star accommodation in the middle of a civil war, but this is already infinetley more than what they get from Solitude, or any other empire controlled city. And thats with Solitude being the wealthiest city in skyrim. I guess stormcloacks would be seen as alot less racist if they just ignored dunmer plight alltogether, and simply not allow them in.
This is flatly untrue; many empire-controlled/empire-friendly holds in Skyrim have dunmer citizens in some capacity; Whiterun for example has multiple significant dunmer characters such Athis (member of the companions guild), Irileth (Jarl Balgruuf's Housecarl), and Jenassa (a skilled mercenary found in one of the taverns). The reason we don't view these characters as downtrodden refugees is because unlike in Windhelm where dunmer are considered second-class citizens and forced to live in specific areas of the city, most holds instead just treat them as everyday people allowing them actual social mobility; they are given the capacity to actually rise up the ranks. Stormcloaks would be seen as a lot less racist if they chose to stop being racist.
@Sinapi Only windhelm have a sizeable dunmer population. Do you seriously believe that dunmer refugees are so stupid, as to willingly, in mass, choose to live in Windhelm instead of Solitude or Whiterun, given the real choice? Also, decent number of high elves live in windhelm and face no discrimination, they own shops, stables etc.
You mistook game limitations with lore. Your young nord wife will occasionally mention that solitude is so diverse . Game needed representation of the story related characters, that's why ipressed dunmer characters are needed in windhelm
@@jacqmarthy536 Fair enough, but an NPC that most players never meet, throwing a couple of voice lines is not a set in stone truth either. Almost every citizen of solitude is a member of the upper class, it also have most expensive real estate in the game. It is reasonable to belive that they just priced out any potentially problematic citizens for a long time now.
@@PoiosonedArrow the game is limited buddy, so unless they are mentioned then the argument "priced out" will always be deniable. You are fighting lore with assumptions here. The game needs to show solitude as the capital of skyrim
Ulfric is a Thalmor plant, and a united Empire is the only chance for man to defeat the Aldmeri Dominion. Stormchokes are the ES equivalent to those bumbling January 6th insurrectionists with barely two brain cells to rub together between all of them. Putting down Ulfric like a rabid dog is the highlight of every Skyrim playthrough.
You are right but the last part I think you have the wrong way around, if anything Biden and the democratic leaders are more Chinese plants running American into the grounds with drugs, inflation, high prices of living while blaming everything on middle class rural republican's while BLM and ANTIFA cause more property damage then ww2.
