There's a rumor that the character was originally supposed to be Alexander Luthor (thus all the references to "my father" in the first half of the movie) but they reversed it and just made him "Lex" in the end. If he was actually a different character, I think his personification could've worked. The script is still dumb, but I'm not going to put that on Eisenberg.
Haha it's soo cringey And we know he, affleck and especially after Witcher and fallout Cavill as well, can all act well The direction is just Lucas levels of bad Idk what happened to Snyder, 300 was awesome hahaha maybe because it was just fun action shlock and wasn't up it's own ass with trying to be Nolan
They make this Batman look so mentally weak. Killing people, hating Superman, getting emo over a letter, getting outsmarted by the Facebook guy. Batman's greatest strength is his mind.
I still can't believe the Snyder cult thinks this movie is “too deep for our little minds” and a misunderstood masterpiece. This is easily one of the worst movies of all time.
@@tricko8000 ikr i just went there and there was this massive snyder army attacking everyone who thought bvs was bad and said they were too dumb to get it.
It actually took me way too long to realize that.. out of place scene wasnt actually in the movie, I was just wondering why the lighting was so bad.. wow me
Tranorix Except that Batman has become emotionally unstable on numerous occasions in the past including after Jason Todd's death in A Death in the Family. If past versions of Batman can have metal breakdowns, why not in BvS?
At almost no point in the story do Batman's decisions make sense. He's broken down from the start, and continually made to look stupid, which is just a bafflingly misguided way to introduce a character who's always supposed to be a step ahead. It's not that Batman can't ever be emotional; it's that so far we've ONLY seen this Batman be emotional, making ridiculous decisions based on dreams and laughably bad evidence. Certain core attributes about these characters shouldn't change. Batman is the World's Greatest Detective; he should act like it.
Tranorix Isn't that the point of the entire movie? Bruce was repeatedly being called out by Alfred for being irrational throughout most of the movie. Batman's not supposed be irrational, and yet it has happened many times in the past where he screws up majority like the example I brought up. Batman's not 100% immune to the very same trappings that makes him and us human, no matter how mentally well-trained he is.
I understand how that kind of movie might be compelling; I just don't think it was well-executed in BvS. Batman doesn't do anything impressive in this movie except a rescue that would've made much more sense for Superman to handle. There's no reason to like him. A past tragedy that is only alluded to -- the death of a character we've never met in this universe -- just isn't enough to create that emotional connection. Batman needs to establish himself as a hero first before we start deconstructing hero tropes with his character. This shit ain't Watchmen.
YES Someone else noticed! I was gonna lose my shit if I couldn't find another comment pointing this out It's so distinctive, and it's in the theme song, how can anyone miss it?!
Having Jesse Eisenburg as Luthor made no sense whatsoever. Luthor is portrayed as a mature, business man who sees Superman as a threat to the world and his own interests. Luthor can be crazy but he is usually calm, collective. Jesse's Luthor was none of that.
He talks like he comes to interviews baked. He's pretty good a cinematography, but that's about it. He's not mentally there enough to handle complex subjects (i.e. missing the point of Watchmen and the entirety of Sucker Punch).
That's because he doesn't. His movies have the intellect of a Michael Bay movie with some Ayn Rand fucking level of dialogue and logic. JFC I just don't understand how he has a fanbase of incels
I heard that it is because he has social anxiety but I call bullshit on that too because even if you have social anxiety if you are passionate about something you suddenly become talkative. Heck, I have social anxiety and if you get me IRL talking about something I care about I am the most talkative person ever. Which clearly shows that he didn't give a shit about this whole DCEU project whatsoever.
but it's not (just) snyder's fault that mos and bvs aren't that good. david s. goyer wrote the script for both movies so i think he's more responsible.
Oh my god. How can they portray Lex Luthor like he's the fucking Joker? Lex is meant to be a gentleman villain who never gets his own hands dirty until he's backed into a corner. He's meant to be classy and tasteful and we have fucking this.
to be fair they based this Lex on the one in the early Superman Comics, there's a whole documentary on the evolution of Lex Luther in the comic book universe. in this situation though I would much rather prefer the Lex from the Superman cartoon show even the Young Justice Lex would do.
UbinTimor dude regardless of comic book accuracy or not, a character shouldn't be written and performed in such an annoying way that the audience can't enjoy him.
regardless, that's subjective. you (I'm assuming) and I grew up with a calm and collected Lex, like the one in the Superman cartoon, and other variation such as the later comic book versions and the ones in the previous superman movies and smallvill, but like I said there are different version of every character, just like there are different version of the Joker. This Lex- although vastly inferior to ones I know- is from the original source material, this was how the first Lex Luther acted so you can't blame them for wanting to start from the beginning to pay homage to the comic books. Did it work? obviously not, I myself can't stand this Lex. but this character survived through tons of comics so obviously people back then liked him, at least they made the effort to keep at least something close to comics in the movie but of course it didn't work out. and just like how the Lex in the comic book changed I'm sure this one will too.
I loved batman vs superman, cause of how well they connect this fictional world to the majesty that is Turkish airlines. Also the Martha scene was the best thing ever.
+Brady Davis, or when somebody doesn't agree with a left winger then they must be alt-right. Modern politics just sucks, it's not a discussion, but just rooting for a team.
Well Marvel does make better movies the only good DC movie is wonder woman and I like Suicide Squad even though the plot was very retarded and half baked
"Batman v superman would be 10 times better with the directors cut!" -Directors cut adds virtually nothing "Justice league will be way better with the directors cut!" ... you guys dont learn, do you?
Superman "sensed" that Lois Lane was in trouble cuz of some supersonic hearing or whatever and he recognizes her specific voice. He's done that in the comics and the animated series and stuff. That's an established ability of Superman. The reason he couldn't use that same ability to locate his mother is because the script didn't want Superman to end the movie before it could get to the fight that people paid to see
@@enumaelish9193 The fact that Superman has those powers doesn't enable him to filter out 7.3 billion people to find someone who's not making any noise. The only reason Superman found Lois in Africa is because Lois told Superman her location beforehand. It's really not that complicated.
"He's done that in the comics and animated series and stuff" is exactly the problem. It's not an established ability _in the movies_ (well now it is, sort of?). It sounds nitpicky, but it matters. I'm sure when it happened for the first time in the comics, it was explained in a thought bubble or dialogue or whatever else. But you can't just lift stuff from the comics you think is cool and drop it into a film with no precedent, especially when it's an extremely convenient solution to a high-stakes dilemma (Lois' imminent death). It's bad writing, and frankly, it's lazy. If you want to suddenly add a new ability after 7(?) Superman films, introduce it early on in a less serious situation to demonstrate that "hey, this thing exists." This concept of his "super hearing" or whatever could be demonstrated onscreen in like 20 seconds. She screams, he hears her from across town, he flies over, only to realize she was just startled by a spider or something. This happens in films all the time, for this purpose. Lucius Fox and Bruce Wayne briefly discuss the malfunctioning autopilot feature of "the bat" in The Dark Knight Rises. It's a throwaway bit of dialogue, it seems, and nobody pays it much attention, but the seed is planted so that when it becomes specifically relevant at the end of the film, the scene in the restaurant that follows makes perfect sense without a single word being spoken. If you can't shoehorn 20 seconds into your 152-minute film in order to demonstrate something that ends up being rather important, well... it's either lazy, or stupid, or both. In BVS, super hearing comes off as contrived, especially because, as you mention, he seemingly "can't" use the very same ability to resolve _another_ high-stakes dilemma involving a woman he loves. And we don't know or understand why... unless we read it once in a comic book.
@@daedalus_20v "It's not an established ability in the movies (well now it is, sort of?)." It was established in Man of Steel twice. "She screams, he hears her from across town, he flies over, only to realize she was just startled by a spider or something." A spider wouldn't have make Lois scream like she did when Lex pushed off of a skycraper. "In BVS, super hearing comes off as contrived, especially because, as you mention, he seemingly "can't" use the very same ability to resolve another high-stakes dilemma involving a woman he loves." Was Martha screaming at the top of her lungs at any point of her capture? Were there gun shots? No. I don't see how it's difficult to understand.
Lex Luthor "I hate Superman because no one should be that powerful." Also Lex Luthor "I'm going to make an uncontrollable monster just as strong as Superman." Fucking Bowser is a more logically consistent villain, and he fucking go-karts with his nemesis on weekends.
Somethingsomethingnapalm Wrong. Lex specifically said Superman, as a the embodiment of God, can't be all good if he's all powerful and vice-versa, therefore him creating Doomsday, which he called "the devil", does not contradict his thinking.
I once heard a DC fanboy say: "The only reason you don't like this movie is because you don't know what good writing is. And you can't appreciate a realistic story." Cue Wonder Women brandishing a magical whip to tie up a world destroying monster. That's like if you were watching Season 2 of Breaking Bad but then Godzilla showed up.
They say this because it's an easy criticism. You don't have to defend and come up with reasons why your movie is good. Just say that the problem lies in the people who can't understand the masterpiece it is. Or maybe that you just like MCU jokes for 5 year olds. It's a good defense mechanism.
And it’s the laziest argument anyone could make. Nobody hates the Nolan trilogy bc it was “too realistic”. These people think this movie is on the same level bc it has Jesse Eisenburg talk about God for 2 hrs, which apparently makes this movie smOrT.
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@@theblueadventurer615i disagree, i enjoy him in some things. But to be fair, i haven't seen most or even close to most of what he's done. However think Gal Gadot is a bad actor and she hasn't improved.
One of the kids in my Ipads class based his final project on batman v superman, called batfish v superfish. It was 6 minutes long and probably worth 10 times more than every single DC movie combined.
I gotta ask this question. Why is the Joker still alive? If this new Batman is going to kill, then what's stopping him from killing the Joker? Even more so, why didn't he kill Deadshot? Or Lex Luthor?
Justice Chief *it's because the real Batman has an anti-kill code of honor that he abides by no matter what.* The director of this movie either forgot that, didn't know somehow, or just didn't care.
True, and even then her big investigative contribution was figuring out Lex Luthor was the bad guy, one scene before he kidnaps and throws her off a building anyway. She could've been knitting a doily the whole movie and it would've ended the same
@@wxlfie3821 and that's exactly the problem with the DCEU even after a decade it's still reliant on Nolan you don't go to ask Nolan to get a director to direct a superman film
The whole premise of this movie is just fucked - they put a detective vigilante against - for all intents and purposes - a literal God. No reason to fight in the first place, and no reason for Batman not to be a cloud of atoms an eyeblink after Superman decides to fight.
Honestly he’d make better movies than most of the garbage they make. At least they’d be enjoyable in how bad, yet filled with genuine passion they are.
I love how they managed to put Lex Luthor, Doomsday, KGBeast, Wonder Woman, the Flash, Steppenwolf, Cyborg, Aquaman, and Parademons in a movie about Batman fighting Superman... but couldn’t even fit Darkseid into a movie based on a comic *where Darkseid is the main villain*
That’s actually so funny when you imagine that you dont know who wonder woman is and she just randomly comes in and fights with batman and superman. ‘Its like a fucking what the fuck’
Batman v Superman isn't for everyone. You must first align your chakras, find inner peace, become connected with the earth, have successfully competed advanced science and mathematics courses, study philosophy for 50 years, and know the solution to each of the Millennium Prize Problems to truly understand the deep complexities of the film.
You forgot having to read all Batman and Superman comics to really understand these character portrayals - otherwise, yep, that's petty much what we hear
@@papayer But when those hating BvS reveal themselves over and over again not to understand simple stuff or show that they have completely misunderstood and missed obvious things explained. Then is it weird they get called stupid?
No matter the year, no matter the time, no matter the movie, if you can justify something, its right but if you can't, then it's wrong. Similarly bvs got destroyed by critics as they jumped on the hate train and their reviews for filled with stuff that doesn't even explain what was wrong with the movie. Its honestly crazy how much you can destroy a movie by just starting a small movement against it.
Honestly, if they had added that directors cut scene, the movie would have had made a lot more sense! Think about it, batman needed to learn how to overcum his past and move on, and that's why he wasn't so smart during the movie! He couldn't let go of the past. But superman wanted to stay with batman but couldn't because batman didn't want him, so he got himself a girl and tried to move on.
@@worldweaver2691 So when they do justice league 3, i guess Clarke can get his old job back. Sorry guys, been dead awhile but i'm back now. Or i guess he can wear contact lenses and pretend to be someone else other than Clark.
QUite observant, and quite well put. Which justifies the whole concept of BvS. Both Batman and Superman are in the wrong in this, they have misplaced their judgement on their own feelings and from that Superman learns self sacrifice through adversity and Batman learns hope and trust through his misguided vindictive approach on a subject he barely knows anything on, which is Superman.
0:01 intro 5:07 #1 nothing anyone does makes any sense 12:50 #2 product placement 14:38 #3 lois lane is boring 19:21 #4 superman is boring too 21:23 #5 wonder women is there too 23:02 #6 dream sequences 26:46 #7 lex Luther/bad dialouge 29:34 #8 Martha
I legit thought the gayporn bit was part of the movie for a bit there (wishful thinking probably, but honestly the movie would make more sense with it.)
I love how the instant they save the hostages, Batman just starts sucking off Superman in front of all of them. It is really funny to me. Imagine if two dudes rescued you from a prison and just started sucking each other off. It would be so confusing and disgusting lol
Whenever I go on the BvS trailer and scroll to the comments, I see people unironically saying BvS is a masterpiece and Zack Snyder is a legend. *This why we have wars.*
No maybe it's called an opinion and wars happen because the mcu fanboys who thinks their opinions are invalid and cry when someone criticises their movies.
@@bullylowenthal2683 Regardless of it being an opinion, BvS still is a cinematic disaster. I personally prefer DC's more mature take on films, and think Marvel is more childlike and dumbed down for everyone to enjoy. I still do think Marvel's movies, with no bias, are cinematically better than DC's, from how they're created to how fleshed out characters are from one another. DC still struggles doing that making their movies seem more amateur. While I do enjoy the Dark Knight trilogy & Joker, I still think DC does not flesh their characters out as well as Marvel, making BvS suffer in the process.
@DylanNicolasSG They got their two title characters completely wrong. Batman *murders an entire warehouse of goons* and superman is a blank slate when he's supposed to be an upbeat symbol of hope.
kurtzwerk Lol it’s not that “DC” struggles fleshing out characters, it's Snyder. I hope after the shitty Snyder Cut gets released WB can finally say goodbye to that dumbass and never let him get near a DC property ever again.
@@tricko8000 Wow what a way to insult a director and a fanbase for not catering to people who hate his work and complain none stop. People say dc fanbase is toxic but I don't see them insulting directors for no reason.
He wasn't supposed to. It was supposed to take a more 'realistic' approach to the character, showing what he'd be like growing up in this world different from everyone else. It's the writing at fault, not the actor.
wait, why would _Bruce Wayne_ show up while Metropolis is being furiously levelled? why wouldn't he show up as Batman with all his rad futuristic shit? like wtf bro??
You're getting the car chase scene all wrong. Batman doesn't see anything remotely human about those criminals because their mothers are not named Martha. It isn't about the fact that Batman kills two people who may have had mothers, it's about how because their Mother's names aren't Martha they aren't human and are obviously robots. What's with all you Marvel fanboys hating/nitpicking/general critiquing?!!
Snyder: I love DKReturns Batman because he kills people! (Me reading DKReturns, where Batman never kills once: "The fuck?") Snyders Batman is closer to the Frank Miller Batman where Batman goes around saying "I'm the Goddamn Batman."to be edgy. You know, the one after Miller went insane.
Does the poster actually deflect any bullets, though...? I'm replaying it and paying attention, seems like he holds up the poster [as a joke] but it doesn't actually shield him. Every bullet hits him, which makes him bleed, and he perishes = Realism! Is using a poster "as a shield" really ~unrealistic~ if it totally fails to protect anything? I don't know why I spent my time writing this comment but hereyago. 😂
You should check out the movie Steel that Ralph reviewed in DC movies part 2. It has a wheelchair superhero that shoots fucking lasers in it. And Shaq.
Not gonna lie.... You actually had me going there for a minute with that Batman v Superman clip... I never saw the movie so I made it a bit further into the clip before I realized what was up. Well played
I can only imagine every time Batman kills someone, that he just shakes his head and says" Uh, that one doesn't count". But, he would do it like 10 times in one scene.
The thing I hate most about Lex in this movie is that they wrote him as the joker. Lex is supposed to be brilliant, calm and collected. This lex is just fucking nuts, it doesn't work.
The Mystery Box lol dude read some of Superman's first appearances. Lex originated as a red haired mad scientist hell bent on killing Superman... modern comics aren't the only comics buddy
DHC VoLt And that makes him a good character all of a sudden. He has no motive. He has no anything. He's barely even a fucking scientist. He's poorly written whether he's maybe a little based off of comics from what, the 50s? Don't tell me you think he's a good villain.
if you didn't understand his motive then you werent paying attention I guess. Lex made nods to God many times throughout the movie, also referring to Superman as god. so we are left to assume he comes from a Christian home, now cut to the helipad scene Lex says and i quote "God was never there to save me from daddy's fist and abominations, no" so it's kind of cut and dry. Lex was raised in a Christian yet abusive home and the quote directly states he believed it was God's responsibility to save him from the abuse, but it never happened, and now that Superman shows up, Lex sees him as God, and he sees it as his chance to get revenge on god for never saving him from "daddy's fists and abominations". maybe don't text throughout the movie and you could understand the plot. I'm not even saying the entire movie was good, but Lex was handled just fine. watch the movie again if you don't believe me
DHC VoLt Okay, so he has a shit motive. What was the point of Batman in this entire thing, in his plan? If he thinks Superman is a god, playing into the ham fisted idea that Superman is Jesus because he's a savior, why pit him against a petty powerless human? If his goal is to defeat superman, why not just start with doomsday, a being built to destroy superman. Oh, right, because Doomsday (who comes with some plot holes of his own) would destroy his city, including his company (which follows with all of his wealth and power) and then ending with him in prison for starting this entire thing, leaving him stuck in a prison with nothing left and ultimately nothing achieved. "Oh you're just too stupid to understand" well when you think about it for more than half a second, his entire plan is pointlessly convoluted and doesn't actually accomplish anything except set him back. If superman wins the doomsday fight, superman lives on meaning he did not succeed his goal. If doomsday won, everyone else dies anyways. He either knew batman couldn't do shit and was just distracting superman, or he was even more retarded. And distracting him wouldn't really do anything, since if he killed his mother or Lois, Superman would do the exact thing Lex is trying to prevent. Can you stop acting like this is even a competent movie?
Jesse Eisenberg was originally assigned to play a Jimmy but when they heard his performance they were like this is what the most smartest man would say
The Lex in this movie is like some sort awkward teenager mixed with a want to be Joker. 30:53, this is a very long winded way to say, that the "Martha Moment" subverted Batman's expectations.
Did Zack Snyder really devote time in an interview to personally promote some random ass airline company as if that's what we all went to the movie to see?
They should have had Batman brand people with the Turkish Airlines logo, it would have made almost as much sense as him branding people with the bat symbol and would have added to their product placement revenue.
The scene where the Capital Building explodes is one of the funniest fucking scenes ever -senator gets scared by piss jar -senator looks at Superman, then looks at cripple in the corner -cripple fucking explodes
Mann, that scene could’ve been soo good. Could’ve had great dialogue with sups defending himself infront of the world from man of steel. Could’ve been a great political philosophical scene. But what do they do? Screw it beyond repair. ..
Iafiv Iv i knew the movies was complete BS when they though Superman of all people Shot someone. Or used bullets? Like COME ON!!!! You literally just saw him destroy an entire city with Zod. Why would you think he murdered people with bullets? Even when Lois finds the bullet, shouldn’t it be obvious that Superman doesn’t need to use bullets. Also your telling me Superman can figure out that Lois just got thrown off a building and fly to save her but can’t figure out where his mom is? Bs bs bs. I hate this movie.
