1. Keep same hold, front and back. 2 Squeeze trigger, don't pull or jerk. 3. Follow through the shot. 4.Scope cross helps your rifle's level proper. 5.Practice breathing to stop it without unease at the proper moment of trigger squeeze.
I’ll try this. My rifle was Accurate when I first got it. Let’s say 200 shots later was 100 💯 inaccurate lol. But now I have an idea on what to try. Thanks for the video.
Yah..I've got one of those Belg.Nitro Piston break..177cal....1425ft.sec. Very good shooting pellet gun..I wished to have it back in the late 60s.When my parents had the cottage..It stops Skunks...Rats...Squirrels. With one shot...& For the bonus..the Skunk doesn't have a chance to spray!!!, Very Nice Gun..but alot of money too.
Bought a scope level a couple weeks ago to try it out to see how much I was allowing the recoil to move. Bought it around the time of you target off-center to barrel experiment. I haven't tried it yet. Perfect timing with your video. Thank you for continuing you experiments and relaying the information to us. Nice work.
ALL ABOUT AIRGUNS I just got the BKL spirit level and I mounted it on a UTG 3x9-40 on my Hatsan 125 Vortex Camo in .22 and I noticed I have to level the scope first then add the spirit level. I bought the UTG offset $35 1-piece weaver mount that seems higher quality but the screws keep backing out where my UTG 2-piece weaver mounts seemed to hold the threads better. I want to loctite but I’m having a hard time leveling the scope when I tighten the screws. Also it being a UTG offset weaver (QD) I’m having an issuer with the QD rings not wanting to clamp. I had to remove the grub screw and slightly tap with a hammer to get them to close. I know it’s probably for an AR-15 but I figured weaver is weaver right?
I think it has to do with how much hand pressure you put on the grip. If your hand is heavy on the grip, you have to tilt the gun to compensate. But my experience tells me if I am really light on the grip, I can mantain the rifle perfectly on bubble and shots go perfectly on the centre of the target. I have done it today afternoon, no canting the gun and I got 10 shots in a thumb nail at 20 yards, exactly at the centre
There ya go! Just wonder what would be a better option for a newer airgun shooter whos used to holding/shooting a rifle (firearm) versus trying to finesse their new break barrel airgun...and not to mention the recoil of the coil or gas ram, this rifle in the video is 15-16 ft lb of muzzle energy which maybe a huge difference also
22 lr won’t have any effect when shooting with recoil because the bullet has already left the barrel before recoil happens. With the spring gun you have recoil before the pellet gets even close to leaving the berrel
I agree that recoil happens after the bullet leaves the barrel in .22LR. I've seen slo-mo videos of that and also in bigger rifles. I would like to see the same for the break barrel air rifles. James' method does produce interesting result - better groups.
I "wing" both elbows, lock my wrists, then let the elbows sag a little to put opposing rotation onto the rifle. I use my breathing to refine my aim. The opposing rotation idea works with pistols too, but you have to push the pistol away from you: Because you're not pulling it into your shoulder, in effect it is stabilised by the limitation of movement of your arm sockets.
Do u know why I have to shoot around 20 shots (all over the place) before my break barrel basically puts them hole in hole at 25 yards. I could shoot 20 and they would be random after that hole in hole. Put rifle away come back few hours later and it’s back to random shooting until about 20 and then it’s stacks them hole in hole
Mate, did you find out what the problem is? I have the same problem, i made zero on the scope and grupping well at 30.meters and next day when i shoot it is not grupping anymore
Love watching this guys videos he is very educational, precise, and accurate about bullets, guns and other outdoor products and equipment, he's awesome. Must watch his other videos also if you have enjoyed this one, they are really interesting as well. Hats off to you man and with the other videos you make. I wish you well in your endeavors and Thank You for being on this site. Great job, James
At 1st I had a hard time keeping scopes on it..I finally found Bushnell..Stands up for the shock of it going off.without braking the inside of the scope...
Hi, Really like your videos! A slight tilt works as charm, only tested on the Dx17 yet (pellet only). Dont laugh its very good for a 3m indoor shooting :D Strange however that the jerk wont work on this tiny machine :) Will test these techniques on other springers. Thanks Gergo
-- Going to try this (southpaw shooter). Gamo G2 Swarm Maxim .22 Found removing the weights in the butt stock helped with the shock, and firing lighter .22 pellets did as well. Faster you can get them out of the barrel with these finicky guns. Pellets I started with H&M domed 21.XX grain (don't remember the exact). They slap hard but following my theory I went to a lighter pellet. Pellets I'm working with now are Gamo Redfire (they're around 15 grain) Don't remember exact weight on the fly they but the point is, they are significantly lighter and get out of the barrel faster, so less effected by this issue. Softer stock (removing the rubber weights) lessens it. The bubble level, which I have but not set like this: good reference. See if the gun shoots straighter with this advice. But at 25 yards, I'm already knocking a jack of spades head off from 25 yards 6 out of 10 times without these adjustments (level, new pellets, butt stock weights). I can't tack drive at 25 yards, then what's the point? Need to shoot critters trying to get into my barn. Haven't missed a woodpecker yet, only two. Still anything that helps. I do however will press the trigger, never jerk it. And I'm not into strangling my gun. Harder the grip the more the problem you're trying to solve gets.
You should get a Hatsan 25cal sniper, them things are super accurate, can even shoot shot gun shells at 75 and 100 yrds. Js... would be well worth a video. God bless.
Hey brother love your stuff here! In theory, do you think a guy could set your scope in the rings slightly canted, so that when you cant the rifle, the reticle would be level? That way you could use the bubble level set dead level for each shot and make it even more repeatable. Would be curious to see if this would work.
Thanks! It really depends on how aligned the barrel to scope/mount is cause if it is not you're just canting the gun to match the scope/mount which may not be true
It's always the ammo for me. I usually find that different ammos perform completely different. If I'm shooting five different types of ammo, I might get lucky and two of the five would be close to the same.
This only applies bc it’s a double recoil break barrel right? Your hand is leveling out after the first forward recoil correct? The pellet doesn’t move until the second rearward recoil.
Are you advertising for triple A- lol. Good work as always. Thanks for the video- helped me. Put a level on my Beeman double barrel and it works much better- keeps shots vertical.
I got a question ,, mabey yu think yu may have an idea about. A theory. Mabey. On a Nitro piston driven rifle. , when the trigger let's loose. The pellet flies out fast & slows down gradually & then dropped off but on a coiled springer. The pellet flies out. Perhaps slightly slower. Then builds up speed to real fast & then slowly looses speed. & drops off what do yu think of that theory ???? It's just a brain storm thing I thought about the other day while shooting both style rifles
Is No one going to talk about how his left shoulder and neck are transparent? You can see right trough his upper body and make out the AAA letters behind him .
My breakbarrel sometimes shoots in the black arena, but sometimes it foesnt even hit the target. The scope is also cheap and the group is a big one. It could also be the scope , and everytime I zero it it hits the black area, then after 2 shots it doesnt even hit the target
A bubble level is a distracting trinket. Serves a purpose when mounting a scope, that's about all. Through practice mussel memory does the trick as to keep the rifle level. The leveling he is referring to is "rifle cant". The higher the scope is mounted the easier it is to cant the rifle. If a scope is mounted level then the cross hairs can be used to level the horizontal plane in the sight picture.
I have a crossman Optimus so you telling me all i had to do is tilt my gun a litte to the left and have my trigger finger inward and yes im right handed this would work???
no doubt that can help a lot of shooters really comes in handy at long distance have a good shooting day I'm going to keep up your videos hell yeah have fun shooting bang bang bang
Great information as always thanks , what bubble level is that I have a Benjamin Prowler.177 that I’ve gotten better with a Hatsan Optima 4-9x40AO scope.
I have a question for you, have you had a gas ram fail? I am looking for a non magnum .22 break barrel. Early on I had several gas rams fail and stuck to springers. Just wondering if the improved the technologies/ thanks
Wheni shoot I make sure my rifle is and stays level throughout the shot, just a slight tilt in any direction won't hit where you wer aiming depending on how good you zeroed the scope in at the correct horizontal level, I don't use a spirit level because I always close one eye but I use the back ground to find a basic level line and work from that, also I am a boilermaker/welder by trade so I do know my level well and besides that I'm a natural shot with anything that shoots and missing a target is a rare thing with me, even in my military yrs as a Ratel gunner in the South African Defence Force my shooting was outstanding and surprised many, ive done other line of work in the military too but don't wanna talk bout that but I agree with you that tilting a lil to the opposite side of your shooting hand will help hit the target more frequently and a spirit level is a good idea because one can always check the level just before aiming if shooting with one eye closed, with iron sights aiming I keep both eyes open many times but just ain't comfortable with both open using a scope for me 👍, I'm a lefty btw and personally I don't tilt my weapon because I know how to squeeze the trigger without pulling the rifle over just before the shot because that is a problem if one don't know about it or don't care to consider how important it is for the horizontal level to a target because of the trajectory of whatever your shooting with 👀
I'm left-handed shooting my Gamo swarm Fox 22 cal I know exactly what you're talking about I don't really have to counter for that. I do have to do the the trigger thing though and I use a medium to firm hold on the rifle.
So I'm new to air guns. Got a Gammo swarm whisper 22. Like it a lot. Are you saying to keep BOTH eyes open while shooting so you can see the target and bubble at the same time?
Or try both, some people shoot a rifle better with one eye - hence the popularity of the “pigs ear” rubber eye buffers you see, I personally keep both open but was beaten to 1st place in a national comp by a guy who shoots one eye closed so go figure lol, if yer hold is true you only need to glance to get the level bubble spot on 👍🤙😎
In dangerous and threatening situations you want your eyes and aiming trained to both stay open, else you are missing any threat coming at you from your non dominant side
My groups are huge with my new springer. Your videos are great and I intend to try all your techniques. Arm position, cant, jerk the trigger etc. However I'd like to try just one thing at a time. Could you please suggest which order i should try these new techniques in order of greatest likely improvement first? That's be a huge help. Thanks in advance.
I normally shoot an 880, owned several ever since the '70's. But I do have two break barrel rifles, a '92 model Milbro .177, and a modern gas ram .22 break barrel. I'm going to try what you showed here, that's very interesting! The old Milbro shoots great already though, back when I bought it, I never heard of any special hold, so I never did it, and it was still accurate. But the much more powerful gas ram rifle is harder to get good groups with.
Try placing the front of the rifle on a open hand, just resting, slightly firm on the shoulder, squeeze the trigger slowly, using the center or the pad of your finger tip. Doing this bench resting I can get dime size groups at just over 20 yd. My problem is free standing. at 75 just have to keep working on it as not as steady as I was in my 60's and under. Just getting back in to break actions, been shooting .22 lr for the last 35 years. Do not think leaning the rifle will be good in the long run, his groups are pretty large for that range and his age. In my younger days me and my sun would take 10 yard silhouette targets and put them at 20 yards and bough hit every one every time with open iron sights. But these old eyes need a scope, which I started using at around 68 years old. Another tip is stand 90 deg. to the target and if right handed place your left elbow against your ribs, or as close as possible to steady the arm.
Stephen King “I do not aim with my hand; he who aims with his hand has forgotten the face of his father. I aim with my eye. I do not shoot with my hand; he who shoots with his hand has forgotten the face of his father. I shoot with my mind. I do not kill with my gun; he who kills with his gun has forgotten the face of his father. I kill with my heart.” ― Stephen King, The Gunslinger Read more quotes from Stephen King
I once used a level and must say groups werent spectularly better.. I shoot without scope and without level now and with a breakbarrel instead of pcp and still hit the target. Plus i have more fun now too
Can you please do a video or post a link about how you did your tripod mount for your rifle. I bought a tripod and wondered how you made it work I’m keen to try it out as I’m hoping it will help me with shooting in the garden as I’m waiting for back surgery. Many thanks and apologies if you have already done this I can’t see it.
I’ve tried to explain it to my sisters when teaching them to shoot. I usually say it’s something to need to do inside of your brain and make your brain see and do what it’s supposed to. I always keep both eyes open unless I’m shooting 100+ yards. Even iron sights on pistols should be shot with both eyes open, it doesn’t feel natural but that’s because it isn’t and you have to SEE with your dominant eye and the other eye just catches peripherals. If the “double” vision scopes bother you, you’re not doing it right in your head.. lol, sorry, best I could do.
this man is a fucking scientist, recently, my shots were swaying left with my gamo big cat 1250 and I had no idea why, and I thought it was a scope problem, thanks!
So basically you don't know how to shoot. If you practice good shooting mechanics the problem you are having is nonexistent. My advice to you is SQUEEZE the trigger don't pull. No level needed.
Unrelated but, does the speed in which you cock the rifle impact it’s accuracy? I’ve noticed that sometimes if I break the rifle quickly it hits a lot lower on the target.
I tend to run the other way when I hear or read of someone "*Jerking*" the trigger! Two basic gun rules. You don't "*Choke a gun*" or "*Jerk its trigger*". Any gun! ....Basic stuff. Wakodahatchee Chris
@@donpeer4477 James has a break barrel with about 20fps, therefore he could make a video with his Gamo shooting slugs for velocity, impact penetration, and accuracy.
@@jerrygillespie6121, sure he can. But, read the manufacturer's info and you'll see what I'm talking about. All I'm saying is that if you want the performance that you paid the extra money for, you should use a gun that can push them to that level. Otherwise, you're just throwing money at a pellet with a fancy shape! www.hn-sport.de/en/air-gun-hunting/slug-HP-22-21gr
@@donpeer4477 I realize that the more power one has the more effective a slug would be, but I wish that James would do a video on the slug question for only comparison, and curiosity reasons, just to see how well, or even the possibly how horrible slugs may perform in a 17.6 Fps break barrel at 30 yrds. The most interesting about such a test would be to find out not only the accuracy, but penetration, if it were possible to kill larger game at such a distance with a break barrel. I believe that those who are interested will discover shocking results whether negative, or positive.
Generally with break barrels (springers or gas piston), you need to let the gun do it's recoil by using the artillery hold. Looks like you're trying to counter what the gun's spring is doing by using this canted sighting method. It should be sighted in using the artillery hold, then you shouldn't have to be compensate by using a tilt. See: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kV7zqBcW83Y.html
That's a pretty liberal interpretation of a 3/4” group. Looked about the same size as the first group, just closer to the bullseye after adjusting the elevation. Clearly see the caps are off during the second round.
My Benjamin Sheridan nearly shoots hole for hole at 25 yards... 1/2 inch groups at 50 yards...... First of all.......how can a break barrel air rifle be accurate ??? Take the rifle.....place the lower stock and put it between your feet.......and the upper stock between your knees. Lightly push on the barrel side to side..all directions. It moves over 3/32 of an inch in every direction ! How is this going to be an accurate shooting rifle ?????? There is no possible way to keep the barrel firmly in one spot ! Ive even place my rifle firmly in a bench vise covering the stock with cloth. There is still nothing about it thats accurate ! Six inch groups at 50 yards !!!!!! Sad !
Go back to the drawing board son, you have no idea how to correctly interpret the actions of a brake barrel gun. The bubble level is used to insure that the scope is properly aligned with the crosshairs.
