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"BORN BEFORE the BIG BANG" Scientists For the First Time Discover Stars Way Older than the Universe 

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Scientists For the First Time Discover Stars 780 Million Years Older than the Universe. It is difficult to imagine that only 90 years ago, we did not know about the existence of most of the universe around us.
In fact, most astronomers thought that the Milky Way contained all the stars in the Universe.
So, that raises the question: what if everything we thought we knew about our universe’s age is only a partial truth? Well, brace yourselves, for here is a shocking discovery: A group of stars in the Milky way appears to be as old as the universe, or maybe older?
Star cluster M92, a densely packed ball of stars roughly 27,000 light-years from Earth, is about 13.8 billion years old, or older. The newly refined age estimate makes this clump of stars the same age as the universe.
This could break the current age of the universe and put a new limit on it, thereby helping solve cosmic conundrums about how the universe evolved.
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@richardknott2021
@richardknott2021 3 месяца назад
Can’t say something is older than big bang when we don’t even know for sure if there was really a big bang to start with..
@ManojPreshantha-pk2wt
@ManojPreshantha-pk2wt 3 месяца назад
No big bang. No singalarity. No expansion universe . All laying .. If no big bang then what ? Black holl criat matter . No singalarity then what ? Again put the black holl To singalarity point . No expansion then what ? Put centerfugel force to Galaxy .. even faster than Speed of light no problem It's running like our sun Around the center point .. No primordial galaxy only Having evaluation of galaxy .. age are same even distance and close galaxy .. we made a mistake we put singalarity To the black holl point ..to Biggest scale we are confusing. But method always same we call it Nature ..
@RPSchonherr
@RPSchonherr 4 месяца назад
It's all an optical illusion based on our small perception of the entire universe.
@adaeptzulander2928
@adaeptzulander2928 3 месяца назад
It was long speculated that if we went to the edge of the universe, we'd see, more universe. I'm not surprised.
@gonshocks
@gonshocks 4 месяца назад
Scientific knowledge advances by a series of very accurate errors.
@aapex1
@aapex1 3 месяца назад
Good one! Mind if I use it?
@gonshocks
@gonshocks 3 месяца назад
I just put it in Public Domain. 😃
@jeffalanvasconcellos3039
@jeffalanvasconcellos3039 4 месяца назад
Science may never find the age of the Universe!
@aapex1
@aapex1 3 месяца назад
Hard to put an age on eternity.
@briankleinschmidt3664
@briankleinschmidt3664 3 месяца назад
26.7 billion years is probably also short. I realized the universe had to be at least twice as old when Webb showed those "early" galaxies. My rough estimate for the universe is 27.6 billion years. (13.8 x 2). The Big Bang is a recurring event and it has happened at least twice.
@rongarza9488
@rongarza9488 3 месяца назад
I read that the closer to a perfect vacuum, the more "stuff" jumps out from that spot. If true then, as particles consolidate, they creates "holes", which generate "stuff". How do you track this? Eventually, when enough mass has accumulated, it ignites, but eventually explodes, and its particles repeat the process. Again, how do you track this? Was there ever one big bang?
@johnpatrickmatthewsmusic
@johnpatrickmatthewsmusic 3 месяца назад
I really think they are missing the concept that time was constant during the beginning of the universe. What if time was actually expanding too
@doghousedon1
@doghousedon1 2 месяца назад
If the light from that Galaxy started 14 billion light years away, right after the big bang....how did it get there?
@MrGchiasson
@MrGchiasson 4 месяца назад
Remember.."Follow the science". Yeah..maybe these discoveries will bring a lot of scientists back down to Earth.. to realize they are researchers and they're not done learning. Amazing times we live in.
@sph3587
@sph3587 3 месяца назад
I doubt it, they will just create a new substance,,, say, dark energy. They will never really addmit they were "wrong". No matter what the science says. The arrogance of man will not allow it. He must be god.
@briankleinschmidt3664
@briankleinschmidt3664 3 месяца назад
It doesn't matter how much past you accumulate, there will always be more future.
@ardalla535
@ardalla535 4 месяца назад
My immediate thought is why are we not seeing stars/galaxies 14-26B yrs old if the universe is in fact 26B yrs old? That's a huge missing chunk in which we have no evidence of anything existing.
@mknomad5
@mknomad5 3 месяца назад
All good info except the missing part comprised of The Title.......
@padraiggluck2980
@padraiggluck2980 2 месяца назад
I’m leery of Penzias and Wilson’s conclusion.
@srikantankckc1305
@srikantankckc1305 2 месяца назад
It can be also the present scientists use a smaller space time matrix..not defining a universe boundaries properly😀🙏
@fjmugwump
@fjmugwump 3 месяца назад
The JWST is detecting remnants of previous universes 👍
@Buster-im5so
@Buster-im5so 4 месяца назад
13.8 billion years is the time it took for light to reach us from star's estimated distance. The x factor being assumed as correct is the period of so called inflation. If the universe expanded faster than light during inflation, maybe that full blown universal light is just now reaching us. That would explain stars 13.8 billion years old in the milky way, as well as fully formed galaxies appearing 13.8 years in the astral light pattern.
@dendarius9906
@dendarius9906 4 месяца назад
Most likely the universe is 79.84 billion years old
@hamlet1018
@hamlet1018 3 месяца назад
I would say that our entire observable universe is smaller than a popcorn fart in a hurricane. We are using limited tools trying to observe a limitless phenomena. Here's a question for you. If the phenomena known as "The Big Bang" occurred again, say in the Andromeda galaxy, what would it do to our observable universe?
@STEM671
@STEM671 13 дней назад
PLZ STANDARD DYNAMICS FOR STATIC
@bobjoseph3598
@bobjoseph3598 3 месяца назад
if the universe is a black hole light cannot escape and must reflect. The Boundry must be a mirror. Were looking at our own universe complete with redshift. At big bang we had super inflation, (higher than light speed). This would make stars appear older than the universe.
@philipcraig6152
@philipcraig6152 3 месяца назад
Michio Kaku is correct. I think that our universe came about through the Big Bang, but, there was another galaxy or another part of our galaxy that previously existed before the Big Bang and there must have been a tremendous cosmic explosion between a point in our galaxy with a point or something like a tremendous black hole in a separate galaxy or the previous part of our galaxy that existed before the Big Bang and 5hey did find remnants of a black hole that was older than our universe along with Methuselah and other galaxies that are older than our galaxy and our universe is the extension of a previous galaxy with parts of it are twice as old as our universe is or our section of the complete galaxy that existed before ours was formed or two galaxies collided and we can only see that which is visible to us, but, in actuality our whole universe is 26.6 billion years old or some other large number like 46 billion or 53 billion or 98 billion years old. Right now they need to put all options on the table and start going over them all and include the new discoveries of the JWST and by a process of elimination just see what fits and what doesn’t, what is applicable and what’s not, what’s possible and what’s not and go from there. I think we’re almost back to square one. It’ll be an interesting journey. 👨🏼‍🚀💫☄️✨🚀🛰🛸
@williambrandley623
@williambrandley623 4 месяца назад
Is the gravitational constant truly constant? If not . . .
@peterhladky5481
@peterhladky5481 4 месяца назад
I believe that this is an extremely important question, but I don't know if anyone has tried to answer it
@deathrind
@deathrind 4 месяца назад
It seems to me the problem is basing the age of the universe off an expansion rate... that assumes a center point to measure from and we have no idea where the "center" of the universe is. What we can see we guestimate to be 13.8B yrs old, logically it is a mistake to extend that to what we cannot see.
@barriesquires596
@barriesquires596 4 месяца назад
The Universe is probably over 100 billion years old
@haraldludwig994
@haraldludwig994 4 месяца назад
how sure can we be that these are galaxies that we see so far away. May be it could be something else unknown yet.
@davidhess6593
@davidhess6593 4 месяца назад
Maybe they're cosmic unicorns...
@haraldludwig994
@haraldludwig994 4 месяца назад
I did not mean this in a strange way. Some scientists say these could be dark stars that are very big. I could not rally get the scientific explanation behind it. But this explanation is able to bridge between the big bang theory and the things James web has found.@@davidhess6593
@vudoppio2905
@vudoppio2905 4 месяца назад
Why couldn’t the Big Bang occur in all directions, meaning even exploding ‘backwards’ in time? May not seem possible, but we don’t know enough about spacetime
@spocksbrothermadscientist5741
@spocksbrothermadscientist5741 4 месяца назад
Well, obviously the big Bang went off in all directions, but it probably never stopped. A never-ending bomb which is exploding the entire old universe. But will never exceed.001×infinity %
@aapex1
@aapex1 3 месяца назад
Consider DIFFUSION and INFINITY. Stop "tweaking" and "revising".
@aapex1
@aapex1 3 месяца назад
Could the structure in our visible universe be the atomic building blocks of the next upper dimension just like the assembled sub atomic particles that make us? Are we the diffusing gas from a popped party balloon? Do these "dimensions" continue both bigger and smaller? Is this idea any more bizarre than Quantum Physics? Hmm.......... let me tweak that and claim it as fact.
@joshtaylor4583
@joshtaylor4583 4 месяца назад
99.9999% of all "theories" have been proven wrong.
@nailabrain6714
@nailabrain6714 3 месяца назад
Laws of physics 1st no force is changed by time 2nd time is not changed by anything 3rd physic is much more complex than everyone believes. Space is much bigger than the universe and it did exist bevor big bang. The universe created by big bang is bigger than we can see today. Gravity is not as simple as Einstein believed. Lightspeed is not limited. It is not constant for everyone. Galileo did figure out old mistakes. We need to figure out the mistakes of Einstein and other scientists.
@Vasislaw
@Vasislaw 4 месяца назад
Interesting, but does it really matter how old the Universe is? It's unlikely that mankind will never get very far into space anyway.
@dackmont
@dackmont 4 месяца назад
It matters enormously that we understand reality. Both for its own sake (we are naturally curious, a great strength of pur species) and because seemingly arcane knowledge often proves to have practical utility. Thus the premise of your question may prove to be wrong -- we may well eventually journey far beyond what we think likely today -- but we won't know unless we keep learning.
@davidhunternyc1
@davidhunternyc1 4 месяца назад
The beginning of the universe is not 13.8 billion years old. The beginning of universe is simply one end of a wormhole that leads to another universe.
@DeepSpaceNinja
@DeepSpaceNinja 4 месяца назад
You need real world data to back that claim.
@davidhunternyc1
@davidhunternyc1 4 месяца назад
@@DeepSpaceNinja I'm building a "Super Duper Space Telescope" now. Stay tuned...
@EvieDoesYouTube
@EvieDoesYouTube 4 месяца назад
Says you.
@waynesaban2607
@waynesaban2607 3 месяца назад
Sounds like a great science fiction plot, not science
@joeanderson8839
@joeanderson8839 4 месяца назад
There is no way for us to know the age, size, or origins of our universe.
@johnpeers6540
@johnpeers6540 4 месяца назад
Obvious measurement error 😮
@user-cd4tl4zj1x
@user-cd4tl4zj1x 4 месяца назад
But consistent. Cosmology is wrong
@dankubicki2895
@dankubicki2895 4 месяца назад
Thank you very much for saying "raises the question" rather than "begs the question." Gold star for you. My favorite philosopher, Alan Watts, argues that the universe can't have a beginning. My own thinking agrees. If we call the universe A, and A at some point is nada, and at another point A equals our infinite(?) universe, you get A != A. There Are a few ways one could take that though. Still counting from the Big Bang though. Obviously things are not adding up, and the evidence seems to be leaning towards an older post-bang universe.
@xTriad
@xTriad 4 месяца назад
I remember Alan talking about that. It seems like something has to be eternal, so it’s either the universe or something outside the universe. If the universe did in fact have a beginning, then the ultimate cause would have to be spaceless, timeless and immaterial. I would also say powerful and intelligent to create this universe. These days I lean towards something outside the universe, but obviously I’m referring to a who. Do you think it’s possible it’s an eternal cause outside the universe?
@dankubicki2895
@dankubicki2895 4 месяца назад
I do. I just had this conversation with my shrink. Talking about philosophy, we first create an empty mental space free of all ideas and biases. Call it the Void if you want to get esoteric. Looking at the universe as fundamentally a single object, philosophy pulls a section of this wholeness into the empty mental space for examination. It's inherently artificial, mental representations of reality, but that's what we do. Long story, but the point was there isn't meaningful philosophy about God because that would have to entail either the Entire "context", as I call it, or else something beyond, or both. It doesn't "fit" into our philosophical theater of operations. Short answer: yes. Be careful assigning attributes to it, even if you're convinced we're talking about God.
@xTriad
@xTriad 4 месяца назад
⁠@@dankubicki2895I agree it doesn’t fit into our philosophical theater of operations as you put it. Clearly there’s something great. If the universe had a beginning, and before that there was no physical universe with no potential, then a decision had to be made to go from nothing to something. This is one reason why I think the uncaused cause is personal and therefore an eternal person.
@spocksbrothermadscientist5741
@spocksbrothermadscientist5741 4 месяца назад
The expansion rate And the vacuum pressure of space could only have been created by a continuous big Bang. This could also explain other unforeseens in the new universe.
@dendarius9906
@dendarius9906 4 месяца назад
The universe is 79.84 billion years old. Baryon symmetry breaking and time symmetry breaking is one of the likely choice to cause the beginning.
@joeanderson8839
@joeanderson8839 4 месяца назад
It is ridiculous for us to estimate the age of the universe. Everything is recycled.
@kurt2612
@kurt2612 4 месяца назад
The idea that "we may have to rewrite the textbooks" is insanity if it is actually done. I say that because the updated version will just be another guess based on proposed models chosen to be the most popular among educated guessers. I recommend that science only teaches proven facts supported by data that doesn't require estimation to precisely fit the prediction. How about "we don't know" as the answer to a question.
@dackmont
@dackmont 4 месяца назад
Because that's not how knowledge develops. We develop hypotheses and if these pan put they become theories (well-tested, to varying degrees) and then axioms. There's a difference between "we don't know" and "we don't know, but our best estimate is X" and "we don't know, but we have some indications". It's good to be clear on these distinctions. Otherwise we can't effectively test what we *do* know.
@ezamyazny5877
@ezamyazny5877 4 месяца назад
Error, incorrect, inaccurate, misunderstood, incomplete, wrong, revised, learn, unlearn, uncertainty, that is science. I don't know you don't know nobody's know. We cannot know everything. We are the created beings. Information is limited for our brain to comprehend. Allah knows best. Amin
@davidhess6593
@davidhess6593 4 месяца назад
Michio Kaku speaks of the "Creation" of the universe. That's a biblical and inaccurate concept. The universe wasn't created. It had no Creator. The universe is eternal having neither a beginning nor an end.
@aapex1
@aapex1 3 месяца назад
Ahhh! Thank you. People find infinity an uncomfortable concept and the fact that we have a start and finish bleeds over into all our thinking. We'll get over it. Or not.
@johnhibbs8553
@johnhibbs8553 3 месяца назад
And what truth / evidence have you for that ridiculous statement???
@davidhess6593
@davidhess6593 3 месяца назад
@@johnhibbs8553Occam's razor.
@johnhibbs8553
@johnhibbs8553 3 месяца назад
@@davidhess6593 I agree with Occams Razor, the easiest thing to believe is God not science
@davidhess6593
@davidhess6593 3 месяца назад
@@johnhibbs8553 Okay, and where did that God come from?
@user-cd4tl4zj1x
@user-cd4tl4zj1x 4 месяца назад
Another proof that general relativity and the cosmology based on it are wrong (following dark energy, expansion of space faster than the speed of light, unobservable curvature of the universe, etc.). General relativity is just an incorrect theory of gravity that has nothing to do with special relativity, and in cosmology, since a cosmology based on special relativity is different from a cosmology based on general relativity, we should choose a cosmology based on special relativity. If you want to know the true shape of the universe, read the book 'Relativistic Universe and Forces' or search related posts. Or ask me.
@richardlewis1966
@richardlewis1966 3 месяца назад
MAN WILL NEVER KNOW THAT🌍! If it was meant for to know God would've let it been known🌏🤔🤨🙄!
@IllumTheMessage
@IllumTheMessage 4 месяца назад
The Universe is trillions of Earth years old.
@DeepSpaceNinja
@DeepSpaceNinja 4 месяца назад
You need real world data to back that claim.
@davidhunternyc1
@davidhunternyc1 4 месяца назад
@@DeepSpaceNinja I can verify IllumTheMessage's claims. New DNA tests reveal that Joan Rivers lived for a trillion years... give or take a trillion years.
@wernerboehnke5562
@wernerboehnke5562 4 месяца назад
Primordial galaxies! 🪐🌠🌑🌙🎇 I wonder if the next Nobel Prize in Physics will go to the person, who solves this problem next year! Or does it take 10 years??? Primordial galaxies!...A wonderful theme for sleepless nights!
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