MTG players absolutely care about getting premium accessories for the decks they've dropped hundreds, if not thousands, on. Cater to the Commander audience in particular and you can and will sell boxes.
I actually use 3 dice vaults for mtg night. One for +1+1 counter dice, one for -1-1 counter dice, and one for regular small chesexx dice for decks like atraxa. Every mtg player at my LGS loves them. And I’ve been waiting for this deckbox to be launched since they first pitched the idea.
@@ElAlexZaragoza I've bought several custom wooden boxes for Commander decks from Aaron Cain. Hell I've bought wooden cases for special playmats. Accessories for accessories.
I agree however I think the deck box that also holds your library/draw deck is a huge opportunity. No one else is doing it and the box makes a statement, something that commander and MtG players in general like to do. If it's just a deck box, one that exposes cards no less, I think you are entering a competitive market you don't want to be in. I actually loved Doug's idea of a metal piece instead of wood. Wyrmwood is a boutique gaming table/accessories company. Be that. MtG players will pay for it.
@@basementedition9415 I will say the one big hiccup I see for this product is from the user functionality end. In Commander, you're searching and shuffling your deck ALL THE TIME (obviously more in some colors/strategies/ levels of competitiveness than others). I'm forseeing it becoming annoying to pull your deck out of the box, shuffle, and slide it back into the box multiple turns in a row. This was easy to see as just a fancier deckbox before where you'd never interact with it beyond storage and transit, but the card draw slot changes that. That being said, I would one hundred percent buy one of these just for the flex. I love the design innovation of the draw slot. I've spent hundreds on some decks, whats one more stack to really bling it out?
The brass deckbox bit is a cool idea. Continuous grain is neat but I think the brass would look badass, especially if you matched the metal to the clasps on the box.
I can’t speak for 60-card formats as I play almost exclusively EDH in paper, and the biggest obstacle I feel you had to surmount with your deckbox was the fact lots of EDH players I know have multiple decks they roll up with (like usually 3 minimum so they have options depending on how the tables feeling), so what would a deckbox that holds just one deck do for me? I honestly didn’t care about the box’s development until this episode: the idea of having something to stabilize my ridiculous double-sleeved 100-card deck while I’m trying to play with it is a GAME-CHANGER! Especially when you’re dealing with new sleeves? Whoa nelly am I stoked for this now!!
While I agree with Doug that curves on the card shelf would be aesthetically pleasing, I don't like the idea of bending the cards to fit them into the slot.
Deck box looks cool! Honestly though I'm not loving that hole in the top that exposes the cards while the box is closed. I know it's for drawing from the box while its on its side, and seems like you could just put a divider up against it to "seal" it, but if there's one thing I know about us nerds it's we realllly like our cards fully protected. Worried that it might be difficult to justify a pricy deck box that doesn't fully seal the cards. I feel like you could compromise by using the same wood as the lid is made of for that arc that fills the slot, then gluing it on with the proper grain pattern and maybe more structural support. To top it off, laser on a tiny wyrmwood shield on and it'll be framed by the different color wood. You pick up functionality from the box tilt, which is something that might make the difference between people buying it and not, and you have a box that fully encloses the cards. The difference in wood will probably look intentional as it lends to branding on 3 sides of the box, it wouldn't be the most-most elegant looking I guess since you'd loose that continuous grain, but at that point it might be worth it because you gain such an elegant design feature. Would be happy to send a sketch if you want ideas from randos on the internet :P
I also wasn't thrilled with the cutout at the top. On top of it potentially compromising the safety of your cards, it also just looks kinda tacky if you have a clean side, and then just a hole at the top.
@@kelm102 Another solution could be to make the half-moon a rectangle, and then add a little channel for the rectangle to slot into when you clip the lid on the box's side. That way it still acts as a stand, but adds even more rigidity/stability to the "stand" feature. Then they could do a fidget, brass logo or whatever that can can add an additional piece of fun to it, and have the ability to be turned right-side up depending on how the lid is placed.
Agreed I was excited to get a deck box until I saw this new design. If this is the end product I'm a no. Not sure why they keep messing with it. I really don't want the cards exposed.
Came here to discuss this as well. There's the possibility of just CNCing a rectangular, card shaped insert that could interlock with the lid when closed, and sort of seal itself against the opening. Would be cool if the insert also had a hollowed out portion as well that could work as a discard/scrap pile holder when taken out of the case for play. Also if they are already CNCing the bottom of the lid anyway, why not just make a channel for the half moon piece to slot into tightly. Wood glue might not even be necessary. Might also cause the lid to be made a little thicker to accommodate the channel though.
Judging by the comments so far, some of us like the idea of using the deck box as a draw box and some of us don't, we all agree that leaving the cards exposed is a bad idea.
I'm with Justin on this one, I like the strap with the little notch thingy to prop up the box. I think that is much more compelling then just the notch cutout that exposes the cards inside. If I were buy a deck box I would buy Justin's design. The other deck box is just a container. His design is innovative and turns the container in to a actual utility functioning device.
As an MGT backer - LOVE the idea of pushing accessories to backers first. I missed out on the topper block and would really like another shot at it. As an MTG player - Love the functionality of the tilted deck box. One suggestion - PLEASE double sleeve a commander deck (100 cards) with thick sleeves (aka Dragon Shield sealable inner sleeves with Dragon Shield outer sleeves) and use that for measurement. So many boxes out there either BARELY fit decks or don't fit them when you have them double sleeved.
100% having that open part on the deck box would make it a no go for me, also that angle when its sitting on the table is sexy as hell. The tool bar is a total win I'm already locked in on backer kit but will love to get my hands on some in the next round!
Tracker end caps need to have trackers on top and bottom to prevent another sku from being added. Also adds to the flexibility of use since you can vary which side (or both) you put it on.
I really want to see the look of the TOOLBAR on the outside, as I think for small and Lilliput owners, that is going to be the designated placement for most accessories. For me, that's keyboard space.
The Professor over at tolariancommunity does a ton of reviews on deckboxes which are highly regarded in the MTG community. Might be worth checking out his opinion before assuming why boxes aren't selling.
This is actually a great idea. He's probably done more accessory reviews than anyone. I can almost guarantee he'd do a review after the fact so it might be worth it to reach out and get an opinion from him in advance.
Sorry Jason, but the tilting deck box is exactly what you need to make. You have two problems: 1) You need a commander-sized deck box for MTG 2) You need a drawable deck holder (the tilted box) You can solve both with a single product as was demonstrated. I love the prototype deck box shown and really you just need to strengthen the connection (with a cross grain) and you're golden. I would have the box be two-tone with the lid and 'lip' as a 2nd color from the primary box. Then the grain not 'matching' directionally on the side wouldn't matter.
The idea I can use my deck box for a comander game with 100 sleved cards without them falling over or getting bumped just makes me happy, I'll be watching this deck box and ordering one.
For the deckbox, could you put the cutout on the same side as the strap? That way when the lid is on and strapped down, the strap covers the cutout keeping the cards safe.
Please consider: -portrait section that houses a toploader for our commander(s) -changeable nameplates -side loading deck boxes -resin or resin/wood deck boxes -compartments for token cards or dice -life-tracker upon a face/lid of the deck box -interchangeable parts for the colors of magic (there are 5 colors plus colorless/gray after all, and 6 sides to a box) Doug: "My initial impulse was 'This IS pretty cool.' I don't know how popular it would be, just cuz people that are into, like, Magic: The Gathering, they spend all their money on Magic cards. They, like, don't buy products." Me: **Stares at four 8,000 card count storage/sorting boxes each sold at $66 before shipping + tax, my thirteen deck cases sold at $15 per case, the sleeves inside sold at $11 per set of 100 sleeves, the 34 sorting trays that come in batches of 6 for $23 before shipping + tax, the magic gaming backpack that was $150, the deck carriers that were $65 and $75 respectively, and carrying 5 decks and 3 playmats plus dice, or 10 decks respectively, and then there's the fact that every single card I own besides tokens are double sleeved to the point that I always have several thousand spare sleeves waiting for cards to be housed.** "Yeah, we don't buy products, we just carry hundreds of loose cards in our hands and the rich use rubber bands and pockets."
a fix for the deck box: just have a card sized insert with the half moon piece glued to it. When your using the box for your library insert it into the bottom with the half moon facing down and sticking out.
That would be ideal if the semi-circular cutout is kept. I know that the original deck boxes aren’t exactly watertight, but having a piece open gives me pause about stuff getting in there while it’s supposed to be closed
I like the deck box with the tilt. It looks nice and I like that the cards are still fully protected with it on. I think making the wood cut out brass is a good idea. But i think you should put a brass cut out on the other side of the box so it makes it symmetrical. The only difference is that the one brass side is connected to the top while the other one is connected to the box. I would definitely buy a more expensive deck box where the top has a function and I could use it all the time while playing instead of just putting off to the side. Also if it fits a commander deck with the side deck would be even nicer!
Just a friendly reminder: There are some many effects in magic that allow you to look at the top card of your deck/put cards to the button of your deck/search and shuffle your deck. Drawing card inside the box is as impractical as it could be when it comes to actually playing magic
I pitched an idea I had for it on the Discord. I realize that the base of the tower had no reason to be modular so I split it into three pieces. This made it to where there were only two types of pieces. The base ramp and the stackable mixers. This made it more portable and you could even put a seven section tower IN the party tray. But the best part?.. The base ramp piece flipped over to be what I called the Deep Dish Component tray. An elevated and deeper hexy tray for a larger centralized bank of tokens. Even modeled the whole thing in Tinkercad. Unfortunately it seems like they gave up on the modular tower. Tho, now that I think about it. If they're not going to make it I should throw up the files on Thingiverse.
That chair at the beginning is very similar to the chairs that James & Glenn Martin started making in 1986 - Keystone's first product! James, then 14 years old, was expected to assemble 100 a week from parts.
The Deck Box idea is BEYOND amazing. For us players who play Commander/EDH and enjoy the fancy looking sleeves, nothing is a bigger pain in the ass then when our deck decides to slide apart because the sleeve finish is SO damn smooth. 10000009/10 Idea to make the deck box double as a Deck tray. Also Jason is right, we spending 95% of $$ on cards, so price point is going to be key here
I don't play MTG myself, but based on comments I think having a deck box & draw box as separate SKU options might be the best route. You can limit the woods to 3 types to keep the overall number of SKUs lower (affordable, mid-range, and premium). This could also allow you to offer 2 different sized boxes based on game decks & do seasonal roll-the-dice or other variants of the boxes without a ton of hassle. Also, looking forward to being able to order the Toolbar when it's ready.
I definitely don't want my cards exposed with a little cut out for drawing. I'd rather have the functionality of being able to draw the cards from the box only if the box was fully sealed. Otherwise I'd rather have a box without that functionality.
I thought the same - really don't like the idea of it being exposed - It only takes that 1 time where you're going to a friends house, drop the cards in a puddle/mud or it's raining and you find your cards got wet because your deck "box" isn't sealed..
On the large card holder, carve curved slots going one way on one side, flip and carve the opposite curve so it can be reversed and used on either side of the rail. 👌🏼 (Might require increasing final thickness by 2-3mm)
Need to have a high back-and-side option for the "tool bar" to act as a GM screen, maybe magnetic so reference sheets can be hung up on the inside. If you put locking magnets up the edge of the side pieces it'll add enough stability that you don't need to worry about accidentally knocking the back off
What blows me away is the fact these guys are making such a fantastic product at a RIDICOULOUSLY affordable price. Like the moment I am able to get on of these tables Im gonna
As a Magic player, I often need to shuffle my deck, so being able to take it out of the deckbox easily would be a big feature. Having a slot on two opposing sides would help that a lot, as is I could see it being messy
Maybe tournament grinders don't buy a lot of accessories, but EDH players love them. Playmats, deck boxes, dice, bags and carrying cases, all sorts of different cards sleeves, custom tokens etc. I've been waiting forever for yalls deck boxes, a high quality wooden deck box with your aesthetic just doesn't exist right now. All the wooded ones I see are either over-stylized with weird flashy hardware and designs, or cheap looking bare bones nothings.
The toolbar looks like it could be an awesome place to set up for some mini painting, get your paint pot in a cupholder and just paint up some NPCs for your next D&D game
As a MtG nerd, I already know that magic players will 1000% buy a specially-made deck box, even if it's for their 1 favorite deck. We prioritize protection amongst everything when it comes to our cards. We playtest card sleeves, deck boxes, storage, etc. just to find out what we personally like. Since EDH/Commander is a format that boasts a 100-card singleton deck, you can carefully assume that decks have been toppled over. Factor in double-sleeving with thicker inner sleeves and the deck while nearly topple itself. I do like the design of the card drawing function. It'd be nice to have another cut out on the opposite side of the box in order to have another side to grip on, especially when playing against decks that like to consistently shuffle. Other than that, the tilt & cut out provide a function that's an arm strap away from being a Yugioh duel disk. I like it!
Deck box 1000 times over! I play (read addicted) to MTG and would LOVE to bling out a few of my favorite pet decks with wyrmwood boxes! It’s a killer product! Just let me snag that sweet sweet walnut!
I loved the little lip for the deck box especially because I refuse to have my cards exposed. I also like the idea of matching the clasps to the lip. As for the tool bar, I love it.
That front cap on the tooltray, you could make it a little thicker and put the pencil holder slots there, or even a card slot row or three. As for the deck box, you could change the top so that it's hollowed out instead to create that draw-slot, or replace the wooden top altogether with a metal top that could be punched out and a tab bent into place for the draw-slot, a piece of wood/cork glued on the underside would still take the strap, and you'd have free canvas for artwork tops.
There was the deck box already before, and I thought "Alright, it's a cool looking deck box. I'm not sure I will buy one (exactly for the argument Doug pointed out, that my money was going into the card) , but I hope it finds its market" And now today there was the tilt and you could draw from it AND NOW I NEED ONE OMG THATS GENIUS You just need to not play a deck that needs a lot of shuffle, though
A couple of good points have been brought up here. First, yes, serious MTG players do spend a lot on cards but they can spend just as much on protecting those cards. I literally just bought a new high end deck box two days ago for a new deck I put together. Secondly, the other point was taking into consideration in your design, the fact that a lot of players double sleeve their cards. That makes the decks a bit fatter. On a side note, a great addition to this project would be Wyrmwood designed card sleeves. If you guys teamed up with UltraPro and made sleeves with your designs on them, I'd buy that all day long. Your corrupted and Halloween stuff would be killer. Especially with the sets currently out right now.
I want the toolbar, but will be using it on the outside of the table for most things - especially for Gloomhaven and D&D. Having a DM toolbar shelf for minis and one for other items will be great! Can we get a DM screen that is compatible with the MGT?
Seen a lot of this. The notch can't be hidden under the strap because it won't be lined up with the top of the deck box when it's open. Even if you rotated your deck to line up with the notch, you would be drawing your cards sideways either showing them to the other player or you would have the bottom of your deck facing yourself, potentially revealing extra cards.
I don't care if it looks ridiculous Doug. When a craftsman is working, and if the product he creates and shapes is elegant and beautiful, we don't care if he has a half glove on his hand. :)
I prefer Justin’s design. Just take the wooden nub and attach it via magnets. It can’t “snap” off if it’s meant to come off. I would much rather draw from inside the deck box at an angle than anything else.
I've got some very similar ones still. I know my parents had them since the early 80s at least, and to give a reference to their age, you can still see the stamp on the underside of the chairs that say "Made in Yugoslavia." 100% solid hardwood (I think oak), so they would cost a fortune today.
That deck box looks like the perfect tool for Cypher System cards. Numenera and Invisible Sun use lots (like...lots!) of cards with random magic items, encounters, etc. I'd spend money on that!
Listen... @doug, I don't know who did the editing but skip to 6:01 and view its perfection. Thank you to the team and thank you for the comedic and enjoyable episodes!
Make it with the brass insert. That tilting option is 100% worth the aesthetic choice. Also it would probably look kinda badass. And you could make a premium option were the brass is engraved with cool designs.
I have been waiting years to buy deck boxes from you guys because I couldn’t afford them before you took them down a few years back. As others have stated, Magic players will absolutely trick out their decks with accessories, no idea where Doug got that idea from. All I ask is that you make the box big enough for 100 DOUBLE sleeved cards as that is a hard line for many players. Doubling it as a holder during play is definitely sweet and I love that addition
3:14 curved slots one way on one side and curved the other way on the other, if you use a deep enough cut you can have full cut thoughts that help with cleaning etc. Have the depth vary to stop water damage in case of a spill, might work better than a single depth.
For me the problem with having the deck inside the box while playing is you still have to take it out every time you want to search your library which happens quite alot in some formats
Correct, the hi goes right under left. For bowing it depends on your martial arts style. In shotokan karate we bow with are hands at our side with eyes looking at person because you never want to take your eyes off of an opponent.
I choose both. I think the brass on the deckbox would look cool. I think I'd prefer that over continuous grain. I also really like the idea of having the deck box hold the cards, because I've had issues with decks falling over because the sleeves are too slick.
Seeing that the audience for a deck box is probably greater (just due to the fact that you are hitting a large audience and not just the ones that have already bought tables) and that I also want a deck box I say deck box! I have bought at least 5 deck boxes this year and if I could get a cool, functional one that would be where my dollars go. If you're gonna buy a table or have already bought one the tool bar isn't going to stop that train from rolling. I always pull my deck out :P and it would be cool to have a box where I could just leave it in the box and play and then put it back in and go home, cool idea!
My opinion on the deckbox as a Magic Player : - I'm pretty sure a deckbox with a hole in it when close will not sell well. We want our thousand dollars decks to be secure and well protected when not in use. - Magic player do and will buy luxury accessories if the primary function is still good (here, protecting the cards during transport). Look at aaron cain or Leifkicker if you want example of successful product in this space. - The box doubling as a tray is a really good idea. Not sure how this would work in tournament settings but it would be a huge hit with the commander crowd.
"Magic players don't buy products" is a humongous lie though. One of the top Magic youtubers got to where he was by reviewing products such as deck boxes including your original. Magic players also throw thousands upon thousands at kickstarters of official artists for playmats. I'm not trying to be a dick just saying that's horribly wrong.
But to be fair, the ratio of $ spent on card vs $ spent on card accessories leans heavily to cards, Meanwhile almost every DnD player I know spends much more on dice and dice accessories then player books or minis. But I Agree, magic players have the cash, you just need to build a better mouse trap, put a tracker on the side of the deck box(life counter etc)....and you would havea bunch of people wanting to pick one up
@@user-kw1xf4kg3i That's completely fair but still there are Magic players with fat pockets when it comes to accessories and like you said all you have to do is build a better mousetrap. Commander players are especially deep pocketed. I have a few boxes made by Aaron Cain for my favorite Commander decks and I got some of his playmat cases as well for any that I've gotten on Kickstarter like the Foglio's. Also I feel like the card to accessory ratio will always just be off in terms of money spent unlike D&D where you buy a few books and you're good usually unless you get super into modules.
I don't play Magic or any other CCG but the toolbar looked awesome, even before Doug dropped a Dice Tower into it. Add in the Tracker end and the other bling and it's a winner for me!
As a former MTG judge I am not sure I would be too happy about that. As a former drunk college student who would play on a wide variety of dirty and/or unstable play surfaces, I fully approve.
I don't know about MtG deck boxes specifically, but I would DEFINITELY drop some coin on combination card shoes/boxes. A lot of board games only ship organizers intended to hold their cards unsleeved, or even no organizers at all. This is a problem if you're playing a game that has really tall decks which get easily toppled when sleeved due to the decreased friction. This problem is exacerbated for me personally because in addition to sleeving cards, I need to add Braille labels to them, which increases the deck height significantly while decreasing the friction even further. Ideally, I'd want a modular card tower -- stack segments on top of each other with corner magnets, and a continuous gap down the front to enable drawing cards regardless of how deep they are. Bottom segment has a base, obviously, and when another bottom segment is flipped over and placed on top, the card shoe becomes a box for storage. You could sell segments in mini, standard, and tarot sizes, and I bet they'd be very cheap to produce due to their relative structural simplicity compared to things like the dice towers.
These are all exciting. Could you do like a slanted dado for the lid to get the same effect and be stronger. With the paladin collab, It'd be nice to get a tile end cap where they magnetically pop in so you can essentially build your sheet into your player desk. The entire hexytime system can be translated to the end caps. Especially things like the spell tracker.
I love the design. Personally I would like a sideloader deck box because I don't care too much about the functionality of it. For me it's all about the aesthetic of the deck box, and I think this design is one of the best I've seen. That's why for me if they ever this box but as a sideloader I would be extremely eager to buy. Tbf I will probably still purchase this box but a sideloader would be something that I would 100% splurge on.
The long magnetic edge piece of the tool bar needs a card holding slit cut the length of it on one face. One face no slit for the clean look and the opposite face a card slit for function.
So excited for the new deckboxes but that hole is a terrible idea. Doug said it, as a magic player I spend all my money on cards and if I'm balling out for a deck box it needs to protect those valuable cards in my bag.
Just a heads up Ultimate Guard Boulder decks boxes are super popular cause after you open them they can hold your deck while you play. Yes, MTG players want that and will pay extra.
